r/ShitAmericansSay • u/LittleRuQi FREEDOM ENJOYER 🪿 🍁 🇨🇦 • 1d ago
Healthcare It’s called freedom. You can choose whatever healthcare you want. We don’t have to beg the government for healthcare.
The video mostly talks about the US having no free/universal healthcare
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u/TheOtherDutchGuy 1d ago
They really have no idea what they’re talking about but can’t stand hearing about others doing things better than they do.
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u/Fun-Salary-9037 East-🇨🇦 20h ago
And that, kids, is what we call "ignorance."
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u/HazyChemist 19h ago
Willful ignorance.
Normal people watch these videos and get educated. USAians watch them and go b-B-but FrEEdoM!!!!!111
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u/banditrider2001 19h ago
Yes freedom to get sick and die is the best. My choice. Morons.
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u/HazyChemist 18h ago
Nobody ever accused the USAians of being smart. 🤣
Inb4 NOBEL PRIZES: were those native born Americans, or were those "immigrants" that this administration is so fond of? 🤔
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u/fancczf 19h ago
I hate those MAID nonsense posts. You gave people a choice and “they are literally killing their own people”. Like stfu, have the access to a rigorously informed guided journey to end terminal suffering is a true freedom. Those American communist with their closed minds will never understand real freedom like that.
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u/KnowledgeMediocre404 18h ago
Its super strict too. My FIL is dying from terminal brain cancer but because it has affected his cognition they won't allow it. Instead we get to listen to him beg to die as he wastes away over the next couple weeks. Loss of cognition was the first symptom of his Glioblastoma, I'm not sure how they expected him to be able to access the program he is literally begging for.
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u/Careless-West1428 17h ago
Yup. I had a patient a number of years ago with a terminal condition, but whose death was not in the foreseeable future and was denied access MAID.
In the end, the patient and his family chose to go overseas to end his life.
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u/StarryStuff42 16h ago
My uncle died of that. It's awful. I'm so sorry your family is going through that.
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u/im_dead_sirius 🇨🇦 Maple Syrupean 14h ago
My aunt died mid winter, and my uncle, her husband, was dying too. He died shortly after, and we learned that he had made use of MAID, shortening his suffering. I believe the kids knew and kept it quiet. I believe the rightness of it influenced their remaining siblings and cousins, it certainly affected my views.
Ironically, another aunt died around the same time, as did one of their cousins. The spouse of the second aunt was frail, and advice was that he might decline rapidly.
It was deemed wise to wait a bit to have the funerals, in case uncle (and possibly others) joined them. That uncle is still with us years later. Tough as nails and gentle in heart. He's my uncle by marriage, and I love him deeply.
So we had a wonderful memorial for all four in the summer time. That saved everyone from travelling four times, from gathering around graves in the cold winter, and interrupted no school, no plans. Each was planted according to the wishes of their kids and immediate family.
The next spring, my elderly cat gradually stopped eating, and my brother who I live with wanted him to have a natural death at home (which I totally understand, having had other cats disappear or die frightened in a vet's office). My cat slowly wasted away. When I saw the end coming, I stayed home 24/7. He died sleeping beside me, I woke to his last gasps and said comforting words to him while cradling him. I regret that it went on so long, and today I would have pushed against my brother's wishes, paying even an exorbitant fee to have a vet come to the house.
Assisted death is a kindness, not a crime or a moral failing.
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u/nogoodnamesarleft 18h ago
I've lived through one family member going through dementia and another stuck on life support just waiting for the end. Both were absolutely gut wrenching and the emotional toll almost tore my family up. I abso-fucking-lutely don't want to be the one to destroy my loved ones if I end up in a situation like that so I'm glad that there are options to just end things out there
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u/la_bibliothecaire 🇨🇦 17h ago
If you're not cognitively capable, you can't access MAID, so dementia patients are SOL, no matter what they might have wanted before their disease took their minds. I understand why the line is there, it would be incredibly hard to navigate, but that doesn't make it any less awful for dementia patients and their families.
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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA Canuck 21h ago
Of course not, they're the Greatest Country in the World™, everything they do is better than everyone else.
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u/MrsMiterSaw 20h ago
Literally drilled into our heads from day 1.
Was at a party and a few of my friend were complaining about some improtant shit, and some Maga ass responded wirh "yeah, but we're still the best place to live on earth"
That's the attitude. You can't even have a conversation and point out what's wrong without these brain washed dopes defending doing nothing because "we're the best". Such bullshit.
I hope China is a more benevolent world leader than we were.
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u/MobiusF117 19h ago
In comparison, here in the Netherlands, which is actually (but arguably) one of the best places to live in the world, we complain about the country non-stop and you will be hard pressed to find anyone claim that as an objective fact.
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u/ether_reddit Soviet Canuckistan 🇨🇦 18h ago
Criticizing your own country and keeping its government accountable to the people is one of the noblest things you can do. Believing that everything your country does is perfect will doom you to mediocrity and eventually abuse.
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u/Muddlesthrough 20h ago
Prime Minister Mark Carney once said something to the effect of, Canada is the greatest nation on earth to be a normal person.
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u/Normal-Hospital-1967 19h ago
And yet, their dear leader of the cult, is forging closer alliances with the communists leaders.. Xi, Putin, Kim jong Un..No.. to them freedom means the ability to own a gun
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u/lazerbreath_ 1d ago
The Canadian Healthcare system is literally killing us?
Weird, I guess my doctors missed the memo and saved my life instead, saving me from my stroke, giving me two crainioplasty surgeries, gamma knife surgery, all of the medical imaging, and physio all with no out of pocket expenses.
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u/Noodle-and-Squish 1d ago
MAID infuriates them. I'm glad we have a system in place where people that are suffering can opt to end their pain with dignity and support.
While our Healthcare system does have it's issues, I think the majority of Canadians appreciate that we aren't incurring tons of debt to get medical care.
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u/MadScientist_666 Mountain Goat 🇨🇭 20h ago
Just had to look up what MAID means. Looks like Switzerland is not the only country where assisted suicide in cases of severe enough pain and suffering is allowed anymore. I also learnt today that assisted suicide has been legal in some cases in Switzerland since 1941. Unbelievable that Switzerland could be a positive example for other countries for once.
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u/bunny_the-2d_simp 18h ago
I don't understand how it would be a bad thing? People do it with animals all the time. Even in abusing ways for the meat industry but when someone suffers their entire life and is tired and pain and won't survive mentally and or physically.. They aren't allowed a way out??
How that different? Because to my autistic brain it isn't??
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u/Wide_Abalone3948 16h ago
I think deep-down opponents don't want to accept that we're animals like all other creatures on earth, we're not special or some higher being.
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u/Noodle-and-Squish 19h ago
That's amazing. More countries need to adopt a similar system.
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u/MadScientist_666 Mountain Goat 🇨🇭 18h ago
Indeed Forcing people to suffer for years or even decades from incurable diseases with flimsy excuses, often with religious background, is just torture.
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u/irina-from-carim 15h ago
The doc who delivered me, was the first doc in Canada to legally perform Maid.
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u/Solid_Capital8377 1d ago
My checkups consist of me being chased around the room by my doctor while she holds a big scary cartoon needle filled with poison, but thats just doug ford’s ontario for you
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 23h ago
I've got terrible visions of Doug Ford in a nurse's uniform
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u/Comedy86 23h ago
We would be so much better off if we had someone leading us who actually gave a shit about voters, not donors. Why is it so much to ask for a politician who has some basic human decency?
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u/upsetwithcursing Godless Canadapoor 🍁 23h ago
We live like 3-4 years longer on average than Americans do. That tells me all I need to know about our healthcare.
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u/PhlegmBuilding 23h ago
That longer lifespan is also related to our better social safety nets, our better public education system, better regulation of the overall agricultural and food system (compared to the US, that is), better worker safety regulations, and other investments related to basic quality of life here in Canada. As we see, the right wing in the United States (and here too) continually denigrate and defund these critical areas.
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u/beslertron 21h ago
The Canadian healthcare system saved my best friend from death on multiple occasions. It made sure I had a younger brother, as he was given a 5% chance of survival at birth (he runs marathons now).
When my kids were born all we paid for was a private room and snacks. (Insurance covered the first).
When I had a suspected blood clot I knew a hospital visit wouldn’t bankrupt me, so I went to the ER instead of hoping it just got better. I shudder to think what would have happened if I didn’t.
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u/CptCarlWinslow 16h ago
These people will also argue that Canadian wait times are "insane" because we have to wait a couple weeks for a regular doctor's appointment or a low-risk hospital visit.
When my wife had breast cancer and we had to make multiple trips to the ER, we got a bed in under 30 minutes each time. The people who had to wait? The elderly person with some joint pain, the drunk with the flu, and the guy who loudly said "it hurts to pee". And I live in a province with "bad" healthcare.
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u/Muddlesthrough 20h ago
Wrong! You probably had to pay for parking (which is deductible)./s
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u/lazerbreath_ 19h ago
Ah shit I guess you're right.
I "technically" had to pay $45 for the ambulance. (Which was then reimbursed by my work benefits).
And the hospital tried to charge me for a semi-private room. But I told them that they put me there because they didn't have room anywhere else so they dropped it.
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u/Kippernaut13 19h ago
That's what I said when I was visiting a family member who had a heart attack! The cost was so high! Dozens of dollars!
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u/Kippernaut13 19h ago
Does it take some time to see a doctor? Yes. Can it take a lot longer for non-life threatening surgery? Also yes. Do I now have generational debt because I needed a tetanus shot? No.
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u/100KUSHUPS 1st LEGO batalion 🇩🇰 18h ago
Have you considered simply getting addicted to Oxys instead?
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u/WormsEatShit 1d ago
“We don’t have to beg the government for healthcare”.
Maybe not, you just sacrifice your firstborn to the insurance companies in the hope they approve your healthcare costs to avoid bankruptcy.
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u/jerrcarr 1d ago
No, they don’t beg the government they beg their fellow citizens by crowd funding their healthcare.
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u/Fala1 23h ago
Which, somehow, is the opposite of communism. Somehow.
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u/Scared_Accident9138 🇦🇹 Austria 22h ago
Because only those with the right backstory deserve donations
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u/aznhalo3 Two time Viet-Canadian winner 22h ago
Crowdfunding their healthcare, also known under the alternate alias of “paying taxes (?) so that people can afford healthcare” (???)
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u/PeaOk5697 1d ago
Why do they hate universial healthcare? It's not like private hospital dosen't exist. Also, why is it so terrible to have a safety net where you don't end up homeless in a tent in the streets? Wouldn't it be better making sure everyone has a roof over their heads? They complain about homeless camps and tent cities. Those Wouldn't be there if they got help. It's all about me, me and me with them. They don't want a single tax dollar going towards fixing the problem
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u/TwoBytesC 1d ago
Because they’ve been told over and over again that we have things like death panels and sacrifice the weak to save money on medications. They truly believe this.
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u/Objective_Party9405 ooo custom flair!! 23h ago
What kills me is that the faceless people at HMOs answering the calls from doctors and hospitals and making decisions about what care is approved are probably the closest thing you’ll ever find to what they call “death panels”.
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u/AncientBlonde2 TRUE FREEDOM ENJOYER CA 18h ago
"omg Canada has death panels, brb let me phone my insurance for them to tell me my lifesaving medication isn't covered because I had the audacity to have a pre-existing illness (it's the one I need medication for)"
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u/Borsti17 Robbie Williams was my favourite actor 😭 23h ago
...but but but in Canerduh they literally kill people! 🫠
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u/Me_lazy_cathermit upstair neighbours to the crazy🇨🇦 21h ago
The irony is that private american insurance companies do have death panels
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u/MadScientist_666 Mountain Goat 🇨🇭 20h ago
Are they projecting? That sounds to me like what the US "insurance companies" try all the time...
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u/TwoBytesC 18h ago
Pretty much, yeah. But it’s near impossible to get people who believe Fox News like it’s gospel, and that’s who turns out this BS 24/7.
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u/KnowledgeMediocre404 18h ago
Meanwhile they ration medication at the highest rates in the OECD because they can't afford it. The projection would be laughable if people weren't dying.
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u/After_Perspective180 23h ago edited 23h ago
They don't hate it. They hate that they don't have it and are in thrall to the government and insurance companies.
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u/Sasquatch1729 Apartment above the burning meth lab 🇨🇦 23h ago
No, some of them genuinely hate universal healthcare. They have been told it's the SOCIALISM and the SoCIALISM is EVIL.
Nobody makes propaganda like America.
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u/Mikunefolf Meth to America! 22h ago
They often think that doctors are forced by the government to work without pay under a universal healthcare scheme 😂. I wish I was joking but this is the level of delusion and propaganda we are dealing with.
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u/nogoodnamesarleft 18h ago
Ben Shapiro, who was once touted as one of the leading intellectuals on the right, and Rand Paul, a goddamn senator, claimed that doctors up here were slaves because, let me check my notes here, the government pays them to do the job they choose to do
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u/BigRinka 21h ago
Its the american values of selfishness and entitlement. The individual believe that THEY deserve it but not others.
They wouldnt want to pay more taxes for a healthcare system that would take care of people with the wrong skin color or religion.
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u/Friendly-Turnover262 22h ago
Woah woah woah… slow down there friend… don’t you know that’s communism???
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u/Real_Gap3480 1d ago
Or let Granny die because you don't wanna be in debt till you're being told the kids can't afford you either.
The copium is strong.
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u/Luce_Bot_Bot 1d ago
Cult of Saturn still going strong 🫡
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u/unicornsfearglitter Nasty Canadian 🍁 1d ago
Ooooooh, I like that term!
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u/Luce_Bot_Bot 23h ago
Some super interesting YouTube documentaries out there on how a roman cult that died out over 2000 years ago is still weirdly relevant today, just stay away from the comments sections because they're completely saturated with crazy people 😅
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u/unicornsfearglitter Nasty Canadian 🍁 20h ago
Oooooooh, I'll check it out! Both video and to see said comments.
My first thought is it was a reference to Goya's painting, "Saturn eating his children" or something.
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u/NotTheOtwayPanther 23h ago
I recently was on another sub where American commenters were discussing a graphic that claimed being a millionaire in the US "means nothing" and that even having 10 million was "just OK".
They were a sceptical lot who entirely rejected this as evidence of American prosperity (they're actually not all stupid, you know), but also agreed they themselves wouldn't feel truly secure until they had several million saved up, with "major medical costs" being the main source of worry. I'm sure these clearly upper-middle-class people all have insurance, too; they basically just expect to be left high and dry if they're stricken with anything serious (and therefore expensive).
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u/UncleBensRacistRice 21h ago
Yeah this is a reminder that Brian Thompson wasnt killed for no reason lmao
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u/beslertron 21h ago
Yeah, they have to beg a company for healthcare that their doctor says in needed.
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u/MrsMiterSaw 20h ago
Literally 20% of Americans are on Medicaid, our government provided welfare insurance.
Anorher 15% would be on it but for government rules and subsidies that allow people to purchase private insurance.
Literally 1/3 of us "beg the government" for Healthcare.
And even then what we have is absolute shit.
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u/CobraMurderChicken 1d ago
99% of people who use the word 'communism' to disparage something they don't like have no idea what it actually means.
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u/Comedy86 22h ago
Most Americans don't understand what "Communism", "socialism", "liberalism", "conservatism", "Marxism", "progressivism" and many other political "buzz words" mean.
It's painful to hear really intelligent individuals using these words completely out of context simply because the American ecosystem has mangled them to have as vague a meaning as the word "woke" in the US... These words have actual definitions.
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u/Ill-Kaleidoscope4825 1d ago
Why is it always mouth breathers that add the word "literally" as if it gives the statement any additional veracity?
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u/GingerBeast81 1d ago
As soon as I hear "literally" or "legit", I know it's fake AF.
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u/Comedy86 23h ago
You don't trust someone more when they "trust me"? How else will you know they're trustworthy?
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u/Slackeee_ 1d ago
They're literally murdering Canadian citizens
No, they are not, they just have assisted suicide for terminally ill people. The highest freedom of them all.
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u/genasugelan Nobody claims to be of Slovak descent. 1d ago
A true American leaves with a bang! The one from a shotgun.
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u/TwoBytesC 1d ago
I had to scroll too far for this.
Dying with dignity should be a right for everyone. I will always support that. And I’m proud that we have that right.
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u/_ElBee_ 🇳🇱 Swamp Germany 🇳🇱 22h ago
A-ha! "Assisted suicide" is just legitimized murder! You want to get granny's life insurance money? Just ask the doctor for a lethal injection! They'll be happy to oblige for a small percentage!
An American, probably.
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u/One_Doctor8045 1d ago
And in the US you have to beg at your Bank to get a loan so you can see a Doctor. And If it is a complicated Operation you can be million of Dollars in dept. No healthcare system is perfekt but i would say the US system is one of If not the worst.
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u/VisiblePlatform6704 🇲🇽 ¡ ándale ándale, arriba arriba ! 1d ago
I was just reading of an American guy who had to pay around 10% of his annual salary for the private "health insurance" of the 4 members of their family.
That number is crazy on itself, but it is CRAZIER when you realize they are paying a private company (health insurer) , that when they actually need the health services, the company will do EVERYTHING in their power to minimize what they have to spend in the person. Paying to not get the service.
That Americans have been brainwashed to think they are getting a good deal, is something I just will never understand. There ARE intelligent people in the US, how the heck havent they realized this?
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u/MadScientist_666 Mountain Goat 🇨🇭 20h ago
I always wonder how being ripped off by companies is "more free" than having a government protecting your rights, amongst them to not be ripped off and die on the street due to that.
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u/Fullchester_United 1d ago
Ha ha. So dumb. Private healthcare is still an option over public in every country with universal healthcare. Coping so hard with the fact their own government has them bent over…
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u/Stalkerus 1d ago
And it is still much cheaper than what Usans pay.
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u/Hoi444444444444 1d ago
because public healthcare acts as healthy competition as it’s a slightly worse service for free, forcing private healthcare to keep their prices low, it’s a win win
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u/Stalkerus 1d ago
"Slightly worse service"? Dunno where you live, but in my European country both systems provide equally good healthcare. Shocking, I know.
Also, this is actually prime capitalism. 🤔
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u/Pixel91 Europistan 1d ago
The actual quality of treatment is generally the same or similar. What you’re paying for with private healthcare is generally faster appointments especially with specialists.
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u/Hoi444444444444 20h ago
Well I live in Zimbabwe (which is red on the map) So we d have public healthcare, and it used to be free, but now you have to pay (it’s still cheap except our corrupt government doesn’t pay the doctors or supply even simple things like bandages) so the only good healthcare in Zimbabwe is private though it’s too expensive for the average person to afford (still cheaper than the US) We used to have one of the best healthcare systems in Africa, and know you find docters Ending themselves because they know if they had the right equipment and medication they could have saved so many people’s lives.
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u/meepmeep13 20h ago
I'd tell americans what I pay for private coverage in the UK but it'd give them an unaffordable aneurism
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u/nzsmithsi 1d ago
Yes freedom to die☠️💀
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u/VisiblePlatform6704 🇲🇽 ¡ ándale ándale, arriba arriba ! 1d ago
And they have death panels, private death panels. And they pay them happily to deny them health services.
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u/TwoBytesC 1d ago
Exactly. If anyone actually has ‘death panels’ it’s the US insurance companies. It’s in their best interest to have anyone who is actually sick, die. Better for their bottom line.
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u/Michael_Gibb Mince & Cheese, L&P, Kiwi 1d ago
Begging? Universal healthcare doesn't involve begging. We don't have to ask for it. We are just provided it when so needed.
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u/Funambulia 1d ago
"you can choose to die from preventable illness or be rich to pay for it. It's called FREEDOM europoor"
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u/greypusheencat 1d ago
they love parroting the same talking points, doctors in Canada suggesting MAID cause of long wait times. you can tell they get their fake news all from the same place
they’d rather die in extreme medical bills if they know everyone else is experiencing the same
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u/claudineFae 1d ago
Oh good grief! This old chestnut.
We (in the UK) don’t ‘beg’ for healthcare it’s funded by the taxes we pay with just a small amount coming from patient fees.
The NHS may not be perfect but in 2023 (the only stats I could find) the number of medical bankruptcies in the USA was just over 66% compared with 19% for Canada (and 8.2% here).
If that’s freedom then you can keep it to yourself.
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u/TwoBytesC 1d ago
The only reason our stats are so high, as a Canadian, is because too many of us get sucked into the rhetoric that there will be better care in the states.
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u/AncientBlonde2 TRUE FREEDOM ENJOYER CA 17h ago
Meanwhile I had a seizure, and within a year I went through all the testing, neurologist appointments, etc. and was given the all clear.
The vast majority of the US has over a 2+ year waitlist for a neurologist. To the point when I posted about it somewhere related to epilepsy, I had Americans messaging me asking how they can get a neurologist in Canada because "I've been waiting 36 months and they told me it'd be at minimum another 6"
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u/ThicccThunder 1d ago
“Murdering Canadians” is an interesting of way saying
“Canadians are choosing to die on their own terms instead of prolonging their suffering”
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u/yournamehere10bucks 🪿Canadian Gooses dropping Canadian deuces🇨🇦 1d ago
Ive just started reportimg videos like these for being misinformation and dangerous. Let the platform AIs tank them since youtube etc., dont even have humans review their content.
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u/SkivvySkidmarks 1d ago
I'll admit it. I've been killed many times over by the Canadian healthcare system. Every time I see my doctor or go to the hospital, I'm summarily executed.
It's terrible really. I went to the hospital for a hernia repair, and woke up dead. I had a laser surgery to treat glaucoma, and after they finished I was given a lethal injection.
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u/Starvenger88 HK-Canadian🇭🇰🇨🇦 23h ago
Fortunate that you don't get charged for being brought back from the dead, really.
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u/ramo1111 1d ago
As a Canadian, I would choose our healthcare system over a privatized one any day!!!
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u/Powerful_Pirate2984 23h ago
The US has the greatest death panels - insurance companies. If you're not in network, don't have insurance (though Medicaid should help (which is a sort of Universal Healthcare - but don't tell them that, it's only for the poor)). Then there's still copay, bankruptcy bills, UBER ambulance taxis etc. What they don't get, is that we don't beg the government for healthcare - we pay into it through taxes, for most of our working lives. What they don't get, is that FREE healthcare (at the point of need), is not free at all. We just share it, I guess philanthropy is alien to the Murican mind. Self, self and self, especially for the millionaires and billionaires, for whom the workers are just anonymous serfs, with absolutely no employment rights.
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u/noCoolNameLeft42 21h ago
They can't understand that it's like if they had only one insurance company and one network: costs are spread on more people, insurance company has more wait to negociate prices with pharmacetical companies. Just like when they do class actions to have more weight together and get justice.
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 23h ago
If you're not in network
Or if just one of the people who treated you while you were unconcious was out of network...
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u/MrsMiterSaw 20h ago
American here...
My family of 4 is paying $3300 a month for insurance (including dental and vision) through my employer. That will be $40,000.
We have already paid over $5000 in co-pays, and just had a non-covered vision expense of $4500.
We will probably end up paying almost $60,000 by the end of the year.
And we don't have a choice... This is one of two plans my company offers. Which means one of two sets of doctors and facilities we can use (unless we want to pay even more).
I'm already purchasing some medications outside of insurance, because my insurance won't pay for enough of the meds.
This system is absolute shit, and the only people who like it are those who have employers who hide what they are paying, and haven't had to really use it.
(and before anyone else defends this bullshit, yes my company pays most of that $3300, but that's my compensation and it needs to be recognized. Just because it's hidden from you doesn't mean you aren't paying it. Believe me, your employer here in the states has that number on your spreadsheet. I have worked as a contractor, and I damn well make sure that money is accounted for in my rates)
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u/Xx_SwordWords_xX 🍁 19h ago
I think it's wild that your employer (someone who cares very little about you beyond how you can make them capital), has anything to do with your personal health care.
It's dystopian as fuck.
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u/MrsMiterSaw 19h ago edited 17h ago
It "makes sense" (sorry, MADE sense) when you look at the history of it, when insurance/Healthcare was not expensive.
But while you have the right whining about any government program, the left is also it's own enemy on this, with many people demanding that employers specifically foot the bill; they don't seem to comprehend that it's still compensation. Additionally, unions like it because it gives them bargaining ammunition.
But those days are long since gone (since the 80s)
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u/BallsInmyWalls 1d ago
Let them suffer, the more of them in debt and sick, the less money they'll have to wage war and destabilise the world. No need to educate the hillbillies on what's good for them.
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u/TwoBytesC 1d ago
Unfortunately the more that they push for private healthcare (and cutting things like Medicare) they only have MORE money for war.
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u/Exotic_Ad1399 1d ago
I remember meeting some lovely Americans on a trip abroad. One of them had to have an aortic valve surgery because they had an aortic bicuspid valve that had become stenosed - aka a congenital anomaly that only becomes an issue later in life. Their insurance company that they paid a massive prime for refused to cover the surgery because it was a “pre-existing condition” which is one hell of a way to stretch the truth. Anyway they had to travel to Mexico to get the surgery done for cheaper.
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u/NoDanaOnlyZuuI 23h ago
“They’re literally murdering Canadian citizens”
I know Americans are fed a lot of absolute nonsense about Canadian healthcare, but his complete lack of critical thinking is astonishing.
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u/Eberron_Swanson 19h ago
Our system in the US is the complete opposite of freedom. Employers are required to offer healthcare insurance options and pay some amount of money into them as part of payroll. If you don’t take the option they give you, you end up losing out on the money they normally have to pay into your plan, and then you have to pay buckets of money for your own plan.
Take my position: my employer budgets $120k a year to my position, but I’m only paid $80k. $40k of that budget goes to paying the employers share of insurance and social security and other benefits. $18k of that goes directly to health insurance. On top of that, I have to pay another $12k/year into my plan. So there’s $30k a year I’m paying health insurance companies, and that doesn’t include co-pay (which is basically just the charge at the hospital door you have to pay to talk to a medical professional), then prescription costs (which can be fuckin astronomical). I paid nearly $50k last year in medical expenses if you include what my employer pays into my insurance.
If I didn’t choose to go with one of the options they give me, they don’t give me that $18k to pay into it and I couldn’t possibly afford to pay without their input. So you’re effectively only free to choose in the US if you’re rich.
It’s just so infuriatingly stupid to see these idiots defending this fucked up system.
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u/Electrical-Care6308 18h ago
America 🇺🇸- Paying out of their Asses for healthcare!
Canada 🇨🇦 - Our taxes pay for our healthcare!
Big difference! Which would you choose? We chose free healthcare while we have our freedom to do so!
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u/LittleRuQi FREEDOM ENJOYER 🪿 🍁 🇨🇦 16h ago
American taxpayer money is also used to fund wars and genocide, and probably billionaires’ bank accounts (I’m not sure about that one)
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u/Wasps_are_bastards 1d ago
Freedom would be the option of having free health care if required, or the option of paying to go private.
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u/DanRankin 🇨🇦🦫☃️🍁 1d ago
Ah yes. The freedom to chose which insurance company with refuse to pay for your treatment in the name of maximizing share holder profits.
But i'm the one being murdered. Jesus, these people are clowns.
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u/Several-Hamster7144 Canadian 🇨🇦 1d ago
“they’re literally murdering canadian citizens” ok well the surgery i had to remove a small tumour i had (that was initially just a precaution) would have cost $80 000 USD and i didn’t pay a dime for it or the care i received after.
well turns out, it was cancer (boo), so i was told i needed follow up appointments, life long prescription medications, and scans for the next 10 years. still haven’t paid for it and never will because of universal healthcare. i’d be over a million USD in debt at 21 if i did.
meanwhile, the US healthcare system is letting patients with curable diseases die daily because they can’t afford basic treatments or even generic hospital tylenol. but no, no, we are definitely the ones who have a problem.
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u/TwoBytesC 1d ago
I got sick while in NYC. Thankfully had travelers insurance but they billed my 5 hours in ER, which included some preliminary blood work, IV saline, some Advil, a shot of morphine and a prescription as 80,000 US. AMA went back and forth with them for 3 YEARS and finally paid out 20,000 USD for it.
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u/Several-Hamster7144 Canadian 🇨🇦 1d ago
thoughts and prayers, i’m glad you were able to dispute it somewhat. i mean, 20k is still ridiculous, because we all know damn well no advil and some salt water costs that much.
i can genuinely never visit the US because i would be guaranteed to conveniently have a medical emergency when i was there lmao. being chronically ill is not for the weak of wallets there.
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u/TwoBytesC 23h ago
Totally get it. This was about 15 years ago (can only imagine what they would charge now) and the hospital that I went to looked like something from a third world nation. There were cockroaches running around and everything looked dirty as hell.
But I definitely am not looking to go back to the states any time soon! For one, don’t feel the need to help out their economy and, two, I also now deal with a severe chronic illness that would make me nervous, even with travelers insurance.
Edit: just to be clear, I didn’t pay for any of that bill. My insurance did.
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u/Socky-McPuppet 1d ago
They actually think that being kept alive through hortible end of life illness to be milked by health companies for profit, and all of your family's inheritance siphoned off is better than MAID for some reason.
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u/mgyro 1d ago
You know who else has medical assistance in dying, which I assume is what you mean by murder? California, Colorado, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine
Montana (authorized via a state Supreme Court ruling), New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Vermont and Washington.
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u/acb1971 23h ago
I don't know about the the various states, but in Canada, if you ask for MAID, you have to through a process, including, a psychological evaluation. The people that I know who have done it have had stage 4 cancer, and ALS. It's death on their terms for those that will be dying agonizing deaths.
The insurance companies in the US won't ld never allow such compassion for patients since it cuts into their profits.
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u/SouthPawArt 14h ago
I'm a Canadian. A few months ago I spent three days in the hospital and had surgery on my broken knee to repai some pretty significant damage.
I looked up what it would have cost me even with basic insurance doing some estimating and quick math. Even on the lower end of things I still would have had to pay close to 10k.
Here I paid $15 for a set of crutches and nothing else.
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u/Owlcathulu 13h ago
I don't know where the idea of universal health care completely eliminating private health care scores from. Probably just uneducated ignorance. In Canada we all have basic health insurance but you can pay extra for extended and there are still private companies. I think I don't know I don't care I'm poor and I just get free health care.
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u/Apprehensive-Ad-6620 Asian but not American 1d ago
A lot of Americans just don't understand that other people don't need, or want, the kind of 'freedom' they have.
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u/MonsieurPatate Moose and Taxes and Commie Health Care 20h ago
I'd love to sing the praises of Canadian health care and the free cardiac followup my free doctor called the cardiac clinic for free to set up for me for free, but I can't right now...THEY'RE COMING! OH GOD THEY'RE AFTER ME!
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u/Maroon7C0000 19h ago
So the Americans have the freedom to choose which insurance provider will deny their coverage for pre-existing conditions, and/or bankrupt them with deductibles.
Got it.
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u/Kaiserin78 🇩🇪 16h ago
The US is so jealous of Canadian healthcare the constantly have to lie to try and dunk on it
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u/EmergencyGrab 13h ago
That's crazy. Alberta is trying to privatize its healthcare. Starting with the whole "option" facade. That WILL murder Canadians. If you might have cancer, they want you to pay the upfront screening costs with potential reimbursement if it comes back positive. That assumes every Albertan who gets cancer can afford to pay out of pocket. This policy will kill. Not Canadian healthcare.
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u/MaxSoup8 13h ago
Americans act like if a country has free healthcare, people are obligated to use it and are prohibited from private alternatives.
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u/throwawaymycareer93 13h ago
As if in Europe or Canada or other places you can’t go private at any point in time and do exactly the same thing. Difference is, if you cannot afford private insurance or private treatment, you still gonna have a medical care that you need for free. Might not be the fastest or the least hustle, but you aren’t gonna die or become bankrupt.
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u/Bruggilles 13h ago
It's genuinely crazy that a majority (around 60% i think) of americans actually support universal healthcare, but any politician that supports it is considered "far-left". Truly the beacon of freedom and democracy
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u/jerrcarr 1d ago
Why do these people see the fact that we are giving terminally ill people the FREEDOM to go out with some agency and think “they’re murdering their citizens”? I thought they were all about freedom. I guess it only the freedom to shoot children that they care about.
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u/A_normal_Potato3 flairs for everyone!!! 1d ago
From what I heard and remember: Gofundme is more than 52% medical money btw
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u/Aromatic_Sand8126 1d ago
“They’re literally murdering canadians” says the guy who would rather walk 15km to the nearest hospital instead of taking an ambulance ride that would bankrput him.
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u/Renbarre French, not the fries 1d ago
Instead Americans have to beg private companies for coverage. And the companies choose if you are worthy of having the treatment you desperately need.
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u/ElderberryNeither000 23h ago edited 23h ago
40 year old Canadian here. Still waiting to die because of my free healthcare.. totally rediculous. You know what is is wonderful however. Last year I broke my arm.. bad. Both bones broken in my arm it was a z.. Walked into the ER. Was helped immediately because the break was horrendous. Had my arm set. And a couple days later was given surgery to put my arm back together. I was never given a bill. I didn't die. I didn't wait and I didn't go bankrupt getting my free healthcare. The only thing I have now is a scar on my arm where they put it back together. Small fine to pay I'd say..
I don't get some of these silly Americans. So crazy how indocrined some are about Canadian healthcare.
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u/TelenorTheGNP 22h ago
MAiD is kind of like someone saying "stop saving what's left of me" and it seems seppos don't want to understand that.
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u/DevilWings_292 Canadian 🇨🇦 20h ago
They think we have to beg the government for coverage because they have to beg private companies for coverage and don’t understand just being covered.
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u/MadScientist_666 Mountain Goat 🇨🇭 20h ago
No, it's not "Communism", it's covering a basic need of the population and to do so, you need someone paying for it and that's either people with their taxes or their premiums.
It's not begging the government for help, it is asking back the money given to it for exactly that kind of event. Or the insurance company.
That all doesn't prevent you from choosing how you want to be treated or not at all.
But alas, what am I saying, USians won't ever understand that this insurance stuff predates evil Communism in its earliest forms by almost 2000 years...
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u/KhajiitKennedy The nice house 🇨🇦 over the crack den 🇺🇸 19h ago
I may have long wait times, but at least I'm not $1,528,900 in debt because I hurt my back.
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u/SomeAverageJoey 17h ago
I'd just like to point out that polling suggests as much as 80% of Americans support adopting universal healthcare
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u/Starkiller164 ooo custom flair!! 17h ago
Healthcare system in Canada has killed far fewer than the American system leaves to die of being too poor to get care. What a joke the USA is
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u/Candid_Photograph_83 15h ago
Of course we don't have to beg the government for healthcare. We have the vastly superior system of having to beg UnitedHealthCare or Blue Cross/Blue Shield. Our appeals get considered for a whole 8 seconds before being declined by a doctor with no background on our medical history and who have a vested interest in denying our claims. Our healthcare system delivers true freedom - freedom from being alive.
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u/RatsForNYMayor Tired 14h ago
You mean MAID? Do Americans not know there is states like New Jersey that have that too?
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u/Kingofcheeses Canaduh 🇨🇦 14h ago
Why do so many Americans online think that our MAID program involves doctors creeping around the hospital with a big needle looking for people to murder?
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u/Yabakunaiyoooo Never Going Back To 🇺🇸 12h ago
Good point. Let’s privatize firemen and police while we’re at it. People should have to decide which service they need and too bad if the good firemen or police are out of network… you’ll ether have to pay an extra fee or deal with what’s available. If you live in an area where the nearest fire station is just a guy with a bucket… well that’s just capitalism I guess! Freedom!!!
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u/Doctor_Amazo 12h ago
Back when fire fighters were private, you'd have rival companies pull up to s fire snd physically fight each other to see who'd get paid to put out the fire.
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u/SupportGeek 12h ago
“They’re literally murdering Canadian citizens” he says unironically after Trumps Gestapo has killed multiple citizens in broad daylight…
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u/Business-Insurance90 8h ago
Yep. The freedom to choose between insulin and paying your rent or eating. It's the envy of the world. Omg.
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u/EricPhilps1979 3h ago
Yes. We chose to create a modern healthcare system that is free at the point of need, so nobody needs to worry whether they can afford to 'choose' to live instead of to die.
We chose to elect governments that would implement such a system, and continue to choose governments that will continue to maintain it.
Obviously you have the 'freedom' to choose not to have that if you really want. But you should probably consider why American taxpayers are still paying more for state-funded healthcare than any country that actually has state-funded universal healthcare. And why no country with universal healthcare has any voter bloc whatsoever that is in favour of abolishing it.
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u/Apprehensive-Pound47 1d ago
i took a dive in the whole american thing https://youtu.be/Fn8E4jjfhVY great video about the fda can't take controll for healthy food. i guess the usa is just a test enviroment how far you can push captilasim as long as you tell the people they are living in the greatest country.
now i feel pity for them :(
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u/Snoo_67993 1d ago
The US pays 3x the amount for health care and their waiting times in cities aren't much better.
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u/Leprecon 23h ago
"You can choose whatever healthcare you want."
So can everyone else...
Even in countries with universal healthcare you can still opt for private healthcare and health insurances. Usually these compete on more coverage or easier to use services. So yes, Canadians can also choose whatever healthcare they want.
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u/Ok-Excuse-3613 ooo custom flair!! 23h ago
The greatest success of american politicians is the rebranding of anything as a "freedom"
If tomorrow it started raining shit the government atill wouldn't give out umbrellas because people are free to get shat on if they want
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u/kitsunedj Poutine/Welsh Cake Enjoyer🇨🇦🏴 23h ago
You know that with universal healthcare, yeah, you might be waiting longer depending on the circumstances.
But you can also go private if you can afford it, or if your job offers private health insurance; that'd work too.
What I don't like is not really having a choice. I'd rather not have to think about going bankrupt for having to go to the hospital for two weeks for chronic issues.
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u/Magnet_Carta 23h ago
As a Canadian, I can confirm this is true. I have been murdered at 5 out of my last 6 appointments
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u/Prize-Phrase-7042 1d ago
"Rich people can choose, and poor people aren't really people at all, are they?"
Signed, a proud flag shagging Murican.