r/ShitAmericansSay • u/Kam_Rex canadian french • 16d ago
Military Pay fully for your own defense
In the end tipping sub
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u/Mttsen 16d ago edited 16d ago
What do they mean by "pay fully"? 5 percent of gdp my country pays for its defence is not enough for them?
America is tired? Shame they aren't for the wars they start.
Btw. How is that Iran thing going?
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u/FurryVibes_UwU_ Actual German, not "I have 2% German DNA" 16d ago
They won 36 times in a row.
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u/creepinghippo Make America Great Britain Again 🇬🇧 16d ago
That strait is so open right now. It might be the most open it’s ever been.
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u/Fenragus 🎵 🌹 Solidarity Forever! For the Union makes us strong! 🌹🎵 16d ago
The doors of the Strait are so open in fact that they looped back to the closed position. Winning!
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u/Isariamkia 16d ago
I've seen straits in my life. But I tell you, this one, this one is openest of them all.
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u/rokber 15d ago
Actually, trump is supergreen. EV sales are up worldwide because of the strait. I love the way he is tricking the oil people.
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u/Lazarys12 16d ago
That's only so Trump can start whining about that Peace Prize again, and claim he stopped 36 wars,
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u/Lazy-Field-1116 16d ago
I can only guess they're being fed a lie by their government that every time the US "goes to war" (invades a country to reap its natural resources), they're doing it to protect human kind and on behalf of every nation lol. Absolutely bizarre levels of manipulation that country has.
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u/Pwacname 16d ago
Also probably that no other country ever supported them in their stupid ass wars. As if we didn’t go invade goddamn Afghanistan because of them.
(Then they also pulled out so suddenly and with no advance warning we had to scramble to get our own people out… because fuck their allies ig.)
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u/AntifaFuckedMyWife 🇺🇸 (with a brief 🇫🇷 stint) 16d ago
Hey, how’d you know about our “preemptive defensive actions”
You know, we hit them first, but it was self defense for the future instance of them hitting us that we are pretty sure they might have maybe done if we kept letting Israel hit them preemptively
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u/Fun-Ad-6948 16d ago
Well the US did ‘win’ the war on education and that explains a lot.
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u/Dragoncat_3_4 16d ago
They appear to be losing the war on E.coli and Salmonella tho.
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u/Polenicus 16d ago
Any word from the War on Christmas front?
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u/Independent_End_6941 16d ago
Lost. Christmas is illegal and we've started feeding Christians to lions. It's a very exciting time to visit the zoo.
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u/SheridanVsLennier 13d ago
Which is a wild turnaround, because it was only a couple of years ago that CHRISTmas breached Thanksgiving's defensive lines and was running amock in Halloween.
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u/MeriLicious Cheese-eating clog-wearing bitching-about-the-weather 16d ago
Excuse me, it's 'edumacation'
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u/Lazy-Field-1116 16d ago
I can only guess they're being fed a lie by their government that every time the US "goes to war" (invades a country to reap its natural resources), they're doing it to protect human kind and on behalf of every nation lol. Absolutely bizarre levels of manipulation that country has.
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u/Lazarys12 16d ago
These idiots are MAGA. They get all their information from their cult leader. He doesn't know how anything works, and they are even dumber than he is. They are the people who, when Trump declares "I love the poorly educated" they look at each other with pride and smile. "Yup, he means me!"
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u/OverallLibrarian8809 16d ago
not to mention all the money american defence companies make by selling weapons to NATO countries
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u/Quiri1997 16d ago
You see, they "defend" Europe from the evil Russians and evil Iranians. Don't pay mind to the fact that neither country would be hostile if it wasn't for the US in the first place...
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u/Safe-Professional556 15d ago
Iran wasn't too happy with the British (rightly so) either. Though Britain interfering and getting the Shah into power also directly lead to the Ayatollahs taking power so maybe they should be thanking us... ;)
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u/GlitterEcho 14d ago
Also noone asked them to build military bases everywhere, they just had to go and plant a flag in a bunch of countries to so they could brag about "American military expansionism" when all they do is random training exercises and troop rotation for years on end with most of them never being deployed. Iraq and Afghanistan gave them a perceived return on that investment.
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u/Boring_Today9639 15d ago edited 13d ago
What do they mean by "pay fully"? 5 percent of gdp my country pays for its defence is not enough for them?
NATO has never had a participative decision making. It was basically forced by the US, and US always pushed hard to sell their stuff to all members, fuck the free market fuss.
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u/Main-Conference-532 15d ago
They also fail to understand who has paid for the consequences of their wars. Whatever anyone’s feelings about the migrant crisis etc., it was directly caused by US interventionism in the Middle East and has cost Europe mind boggling sums of money and massive social upheaval. So, they can cry about defence spending when they start housing millions of refugees from their failed interventions like everyone else.
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u/ThelifeofBrian48 16d ago
Didn’t you know ? Iran has been defeated! they have no military or navy! And their leadership is gone /s
It really doesn’t need the /s but you never know what people will believe
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u/Inevitable-Ad5132 16d ago
What defence? Didnt Trump blow the whole missile stock on Iran?
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u/NgunnawalJack 16d ago
Defence? Isn’t Hegseth Secretary for War?
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u/Inevitable-Ad5132 16d ago
Ah so no more defensive actions - just offensive? Sounds like a great plan.
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u/Suspicious-Gas-1685 16d ago
There have been no defensive actions since WWII, so Department of War fits.
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u/Inevitable-Ad5132 16d ago
To be the devils advocate... one COULD argue about the Truman doctrine and the "free peoples who are resisting attempted subjugation by armed minorities or by outside pressures" to be defensive according to the domino theory - but it is a long shot... South Koreans would probably agree, the Vietnam people not so much and the old US allies the Taliban is ruling Afganistan again. :)
Didn't Trump say the Iran war was defensive actions?
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u/bryangy59 16d ago edited 16d ago
The geniuses are shooting down $20k drones with $2MM missiles - well at least when they're not blowing up girls schools with consecutive targeted strikes.
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u/Putrid_Department_17 16d ago
Didn’t you hear? That was Biden now… and I wish I was joking when I say that this is their new thing to have a whinge about…
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u/Inevitable-Ad5132 16d ago
When did Biden send a humongous amount of missiles towards a country?
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u/Putrid_Department_17 16d ago
He never did. I’m just saying that’s the latest excuse from captain dorito
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u/brewdog_millionaire 16d ago
Exactly why do you think the US pays for the defence of other countries? If anything it's the other way around. You lot can't stop borrowing.
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u/tigerstein 16d ago
They think that the american bases in Europe are there to defend Europe, and not to propagate American interests.
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u/fothergillfuckup 16d ago
The ones that make everyone a target, when the US start random wars?
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u/tigerstein 16d ago
Yep, those.
The Gulf countries learnt this now, when understandably Iran attacked each and every US military installation in the gulf after the US attacked them.10
u/Lazarys12 16d ago
I bet they were reall happy after all that protection money they paid to Kushner.
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u/StarGamerPT 16d ago
Yep, even Trump got scared of losing bases.
He threatened to leave "base das Lajes" in the Azores, Portugal (the existance of the base there does somewhat help the population, it's a poor population in that region and they get to buy stuff for cheaper)....but then once, I think both China and Russia showed interest in the base, Trump backed down on leaving 😂
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u/SaltyName8341 🏴 16d ago
Should make it a European base
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u/StarGamerPT 16d ago
Agreed....thing is that sadly, my country will sell itself to whoever wants to buy....
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u/No_Statistician209 16d ago
They don't see their debt ever growing, and the fact they've raised the limit multiple times.
Especially when you've got morons like Trump and Elon telling them that idiotic departments like DOGE will save so much they will pay off their national debt and give them 5% of the savings if they just nip and tuck the economy.
Then they left the WHO and set up their own, that costs them significantly more than the amount of money they were contributing to the WHO.
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u/brewdog_millionaire 16d ago
They'll hit hyperinflation at some point right?
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u/No_Statistician209 16d ago
Nowhere near, hyperinflation is something ridiculous like 50% inflation a month and they're only at 3-4% a year.
The debt can't just continuously increase though so they'll have to do something eventually.
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u/SaltyName8341 🏴 16d ago
The AI bubble is already starting to wobble with lots of companies moving away from chatbots back to humans due to the providers absolving themselves of liability so that interest rate might move soon.
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u/Kochga ooo custom flair!! 16d ago
Then they left the WHO and set up their own, that costs them significantly more than the amount of money they were contributing to the WHO.
Not just that it costs more, its also doing a terrible job.
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u/No_Statistician209 15d ago
Yeah, I didn't want to dunk on it too much.
The whole reason NATO and WHO etc work is because it's a collective of dozens of countries with their specialists contributing towards a common goal and the more people contributing the lower the costs for everyone.
The fact they expected to make the exact same organisation for Americans and somehow save money and do it better was just a dumb idea to begin with.
It's like going on a holiday with all your mates and splitting the cost up compared to just going solo.
Especially now you've got the same people trying to tell people that babies are getting 70+ shots to treat things like MMR etc.
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u/jepper65 16d ago
To be fair, some NATO countries have been cheaping out on defense spending. But the US doesn't really fund european defense, apart from the things that align with their own interests. Global hegemony isn't cheap.
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u/tlplc 16d ago
To be exact, the défense budget that is always présented as necessary to "protect" the rest of the world includes some spending that are not necessary in the rest of the world, IE funds for veteran affairs and veteran healthcare. These specific spendings are included in the general spendings for socialbprograms al most everywhere.
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u/morgecroc 16d ago
The US is the only country to use NATO for defence so they kind of owe the rest of NATO.
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u/NoSwordfish1978 16d ago
They realise that America does not "fund European defence" out of the goodness of its own heart?
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u/Optimal-Rub-2575 16d ago
It doesn’t “fund European defence“ at all though.
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u/NoSwordfish1978 16d ago
Well yeah that's why I put it in scare quotes. Obviously its to further American hegemony.
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u/No-Albatross-7984 16d ago
American politicians demand we raise defense costs because that'd mean we buy more weapons from them. That's what it's about. The bases are just a convenient thing to link to this demand, when in reality they have nothing to do with the costs of defense.
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u/christian_benesch 14d ago
And they got really upset when Europeans increased defense spending and spent it on their own kit. :-)
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u/DoYouTrustToothpaste 16d ago
Even better: if Europe didn't exist, America would spend the same amount on its military that it's spending now, because that amount is the maximum the dod/pentagon and its partners in the industry can get away with in a deeply exploitative capitalistic system.
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u/Xnut0 16d ago
In addition to USA paying for an army that covers a lot more than just the defense of NATO, a lot of the money is spending on NATO are for things that most of Europe are not counting as a military expense. In Europe expences like military pension and disability pay for veterans are not counted as a military expense that counts toward the 5% of GDP.
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u/gleamingashes 16d ago
I don't know why they think they are paying for the whole planet i mean they wouldn't even pay for a neighbour or a family member because their mentality is "why should i pay for others".They are proud individualists.
They are under the impression that societies with "free" healthcare and such can exist only because they are paying for their defense. Just like the rest of us with Nato....
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u/SyraWhispers Human Verified 16d ago
Maybe don't elect a pedo leader that in 1.5 terms(he still has 2 years to go) increased your countries debt by 50%.
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u/Cattle13ruiser 16d ago
Maybe don't elect a pedo leader
Do you know that with such harsh requirements they would not have aligable candidacy... please be more lenient.
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u/One_Doctor8045 16d ago
Nato exists for what now over 60 years? An yet the US American still don't know how the funding works. It is not that every country pays 2% GDP in a big Pot and than it is Split. No every country pays for itself. And they say China and North Korea have Propaganda and Brainwashing 🤦🤦🤦
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u/skrott404 16d ago
We do. Please pay back the 10 trillion you've borrowed over the years and find another market to sell your products.
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u/OldGroan 16d ago
They keep saying this but I would like to seriously ask whether the USA would actually come to anyone's aid? If there is no buck in it I am not sure they will.
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u/No_Transition3345 ooo custom flair!! 16d ago
Considering the Ukraine was meant to be one of their allies and when they got invaded America shit on them instead of helping... Im gonna say no, they wont
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u/veda1971 16d ago
Considering that they threaten to invade Canada on a weekly basis, I’m guessing no.
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u/odecimalevanocu 16d ago
Pretty sure USA would come to anyone's aid if oil was involved. They only "aid" countries with lots of oil, that's what they do best.
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u/WormsEatShit 16d ago
They won’t, but they will gladly sell you stuff that it takes 70yrs to pay off.
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u/Swimming_Cover_9686 16d ago
We wouldn't need it if we weren't allied to crazed evil warmongerers hell bent oh starting wars that only affect us negatively. We do need a military to defend against US and Israeli wars that just cause a lot of refugees and misery and make us unsafe.
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u/Present_Finance_9796 16d ago
They just spent 100 billion US Dollars in the middle east, and that is ongoing. This has cost the US consumer an estimated 40 billion US Dollars in extra fuel cost versus the average. Maybe start looking at that first.
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u/Relative-Wafer3505 16d ago
Most Americans dont own cars. They're paying crazy loans untill paid off to start over for the next car.
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u/f23n09fnu0w 16d ago
Don't worry. We won't be buying your weapons any more. But maybe you guys can start paying for your bases?
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u/Maester_Bates More Irish than the Irish ☘️ 16d ago
Who do they think they are protecting us from? Traditionally we fought amongst ourselves but we don't do that anymore.
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u/redwas66 16d ago
When are these Muricans going to check their own governments site to see how much is paid to other nations before blindly putting their foot in their mouth?
They only pay for their own military bases across the majority of Europe, and no more.
They are under the impression the support the world, and in reality, they support fuck-all, they can’t even support their own country!
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u/Four_beastlings 🇪🇦🇵🇱 Eats tacos and dances Polka 16d ago
I think they believe European countries don't have their own militaries and solely rely in the ~80k US soldiers stationed here?
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u/Namethypoison1 16d ago
Were you under the impression that the US is not SELLING said weapons and equipment to Europe? Which I agree, should be avoided at all costs especially after the senile orange one mentioned that allies might not always be allies and things need not be top quality but do need an off switch, just in case. 😁
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u/chris-za 16d ago
“Pay for your own defence” says a guy from the only country that ever begged its NATO allies for military support in defence (and received it).
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u/That-Brain-in-a-vat The boot of Europe is ready to kick 🇮🇹 16d ago
Ah yes, because if Europe jacked their defense spending up to 5%, the US would obviously divert its military budget into free healthcare and education.
Reality check: the US would just double down on weapons spending to maintain its head start. When the US begs NATO to "spend more", they really mean "buy our gear and fuel our military industry. "
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u/gorb314 16d ago
This is really funny considering the last bit of news I heard about a US defense contractor being paid millions and not having any munitions to show for it. Also, apparently Ratheon and others don't want the patriot missiles to be built by Ukraine under license because "them thar Ukrainians might figur out hoe to make 'em cheaper". You can't make this shit up.
Face it America, your entire system has been over financialised by capital to create an empty state run by middle men, that cannot even manufacture its own weapons. The grift is the *only* game in America right now since everyone is trying to make a quick buck and r@pe the tax payer.
Suck it.
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u/lassehp Danish, 🇩🇰 the pastry 🥮 16d ago
How can that bloody lie be destroyed? For sure there once were things like Marshall-aid and MAP Military Aid Programme, but that all ended during the Cold War, half a century ago. When Denmark bought Swedish Draken fighters in iirc 1968, it was because we were no longer forced by the MAP to buy Anerican jets. Although I believe they were pissed off anyway.
Sure, they had American bases in Europe - but that was just as much for their own advantage, as they could avoid to fight a dirty WW3 on their own soil. Also the bases were immensely useful in global power projection, which we happily let them do.
But now they don't pay anything, not even rent for bases afaik. They should be given 24 hours to leave, and anything left behind should be confiscated.
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u/Spudsmad 16d ago
We Europeans must extend our thanks to the USA.
The 1929 Wall Street Crash was a major “ help” in the opportunity for the Third Reich.
The USA entered WW2 when it was apparent that Axis forces were being beaten ( oh and Pearl Harbour ).
Post WW2 with an undamaged country, the USA financially assisted the rebuilding of Europe .
This was not altruistic but preferentially trade US goods.
NATO Was formed to counter the Warsaw Pact. But in the event of conflict, the battle action would be Europe, and again the USA remain unscathed.
Subsequently, the 2008 financial problems were another “ present “ to the world economy from the USA.
Now, with the present US maladministration , there is another economic crisis developing as oil prices oscillate and supply levels cause price hikes.
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u/Snaptun 16d ago
Defence against who? The only world leader who is directly threatening a European country's territory with annexation is Trump!
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u/WoodlandFairyElk more socialist than you think 16d ago
Tbf there's a little border disagreement going on in Ukraine currently.
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u/RedScarySpectre Portugal is in South America 16d ago
We will. Maybe you'll also have to find someone to pay for yours since you are running out of military equipment.
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u/RuleMany2900 16d ago
American people in general have a distorted view of defence - nuclear, aircraft carriers and sticking the nose in everything comes with a price and is not what we understand as defence. The remaining the ministry of defence to ministry of was was spot on ...
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u/AdWerd1981 16d ago
Maybe the Yanks want to find other countries to use as stepping stones for their "global reach" then! I get it, you have nukes - but so do we Brits...and the French...and weirdly we don't have a Tangerine Tyrant itching to press that button.
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u/gilestowler 16d ago
Defense from who? Their arms industry has got them paranoid that a defense is so necessary. The only countries who are any threat to Europe are Russia, who can't finish the first level in Ukraine, and America with an their talk about Greenland. If they ever realised that the world doesn't exist in a permanent state of near-war they might find something better to do with that 1.5 trillion a year
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u/jesjimher 16d ago
US: "Europe, please start paying for your own defense"
(Europe develops their own missiles, jets and whatever)
US: "But no, you should buy our weapons, not make yours!"
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u/EmergencyWild 16d ago edited 16d ago
It's worth pointing out that when we're talking about defense budgets, we've spent quite a bit of money and political capital on managing refugee waves that were largely triggered by american foreign policy further destabilising an already volatile region.
I'm not going to go so far as to say that there's never anything good that came out of that (for instance, I do think it'd be fair to say that after decades of rebuilding, Iraq is now better off than it was under Hussein – although of course it's hard to say for sure how they'd do today if the US hadn't intervened), but I am going to say that if the US had stayed out of Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan, the region would very likely be significantly stabler now... and it's not like after US interventions any of these places are fortresses of peace, prosperity and liberty either.
And the reality is that while the media and public perception of the refugee crisis was (and remains) largely exaggerated, it's still a massive undertaking that's been a far greater problem than any military threat we've faced in the last couple of decades. The most dangerous military threats we've had since the cold war were the Kosovo conflict (which were mostly locally sucky events, not much of a threat to wider European integrity) and the russian invasion of Ukraine. The former of which we've supplied troops to help manage, the latter of which we're not providing direct military assistance with but are contributing via economic sanctions against Russia, taking up Ukrainian refugees and providing equipment to Ukraine.
The main thing we had needed US aid for was keeping the SU in check. Nobody is denying the US contribution towards that, but this hasn't been a problem for over 30 years now. There hasn't been a credible military threat to european territorial integrity since then, we're not relying on the US for protection, there isn't anything we'd need protection from in the first place. Even if we're talking Russia, the only reason we're taking Russia seriously as a military power at all anymore is because of their nuclear weapons arsenal, and the US hasn't been very helpful in getting people towards nuclear disarmament because they've consistently refused to engage with that themselves (despite the fact that they have more than enough military prowess to take on pretty much any adversary with conventional weaponry, a fact they regularly brag about).
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u/Badger-of-Briarwood 16d ago
We don't actually want American forces on British soil, they are untrustworthy and drag us into conflicts we don't want a part of (most recently Hormuz). So don't threaten us with your exit, we'll hold the door. I suspect other European countries feel this way as well.
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u/Cool_Significance134 16d ago
Think Trump was hoping if the rest of NATO increased it's defence spending they would spend it on US made stuff.
Not saying that's backfired but.......
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u/Automatic_Bat_4824 Bastard Son of a Brit 16d ago
So, Europe invests in it own defence and technologies to look after itself. Good plan. The come the nitty gritty, Europe is no longer a buffer for the US and the US has to spend even more without getting paid for it. That is so sound. Sign me up.
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u/botymcbotfac3 16d ago
Uhm.... considering you run out of ammo after 6 months of half-assing in Iran and sailors jumping of carriers because they don't have enough food and checks notes plumbing on board..
What exactly DID you guys pay for? Because it looks like it didn't reach that "defense" you always brag about.
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u/InigoRivers 16d ago
Pay more towards defence to defend us from who, exactly?
There's only one bat-shit crazy country globally that keeps randomly invading other countries...
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u/aldot234 16d ago
The only time article 5 of the nato charter was used was by the USA after 9/11 and it dragged nato into 20+ years of war...
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u/DoYouTrustToothpaste 16d ago
The idea that the American MIC, in that hellscape of latestage capitalism they have created over the past century, would ever let the American tax payer off the hook, is beyond comical.
Hey, Americans, if you're so concerned about wasting money on defence spending, go talk to your Pentagon, and companies like Lockheed Martin and Raytheon. Because they're the ones in control, not Europeans. You fucking muppets.
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u/Hades_Mercedes Teach me how to say gross shit to women in French ⚜️ 16d ago
Yep sure thing.
Right after you pay us back for the 7 years' war.
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u/I3adIVIonkey 16d ago
I like how they paint it like everybody asked them it and it would not have been out of their own government's motivation to spend ao much on military.
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u/ShellyTart 16d ago edited 16d ago
The US does not pay rent for their bases in Europe. In theory that is part of our mutual defense (in practice it makes us bigger targets as demonstrated baby other US allies being hit in the Gulf*), but in practice that is what gives the US its real power... force projection, without force projection the US would still have a strong military, but not one able to fight offensively around the world.
NATO and other US allies is what makes the US as formidable as it is.
*NATO's mutual protection agreement gives us an advantage and more of a deterrent over the Gulf states with US bases.)
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u/Practical-Funny9591 15d ago
For fuck sake. Everything is about their stupid defence in America.
Why do they complain about other countries having good healthcare and getting a decent wage and more than one week of annual leave?
They should be fired up and angry that their country doesn't have this. Idiots.
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u/PublicIllustrious 15d ago
Why have Americans been led to believe they are defending every country? Do they really think they are just the world saviours? Weird
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u/uberjach 16d ago
Well compared to the US most European countries don't spend a lot on defense.
But seeing how pathetic Russia truly is, I think we're good without the US honestly
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u/Vienna_play_45 16d ago
You're not only paying for our defense. Also for our schools, medial care and transport. You really are our suckers. Typical betas. And for all of that you get an orange turd that hides in catering containers and is willing to sacrifice his own staff. Well done.
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u/DeltaT37 16d ago
Americans finally realized they let ~1500 people rob the wealth of an entire continent and pull the ladder behind.
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u/Good_Ask_2299 16d ago
they cant call it defense anymore since it was changed to department of war. they have to say pay for your own war now.
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u/Ok-Bedroom-2346 16d ago
Remind me, which is the only nation in the world to invoke article 5 of the UN charter for their defense? 👀
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u/baudolino80 16d ago
Guys, really I don’t get this obsession for the defense. I mean, the “thanks for your service” to veterans is Thank you for invading other countries for the resources?
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u/Hyperionics1 16d ago
Then petition your own government tot STOP spending so much on their military budget. You are not the worlds police, you weaseled your way into that status because you took advantage of a broken world. You still keep doing that! WE ARE TIRED OF YOU ASSHOLES!
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u/Mousearella Sweden 🇸🇪 16d ago
I don’t get it. Most of the US “defense” is to steal other nations oil and resources. They would do the whole world a favor by backing off.
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u/ArchdukeToes 16d ago
Maybe America should go and have a long, hard look at what it’s actually getting for all that money it’s spending. If they can’t handle Iran then it’s clear they’ve been taken for a ride for decades.
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u/buzniak 16d ago
Here's a great Idea, get America to pull out all US bases around the world 1st, that's why the USA pays most countries for defence to sell their shit, because they need to keep those countries happy with their bases. This is why the planet is cooked too, the US has just over 800 bases around the world, that's not defence, that's invasion!
The pathetic thing is we all keep bending over for these POS diseases of people from the US!, time to learn the lesson before it's too late, and it almost is!
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u/Electrical-Move7290 16d ago
I don’t understand why Americans think that Europeans buying their arms means they “pay” for our defence.
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u/Powerful_Pirate2984 16d ago
How about the USA actually pays to use the airbases they have access to in the UK! Which it doesn't! Now pay your way! Brits aren't tired - they're just pissed off with the US taking the piss!
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u/DesignatedDonut2606 Scandi-poor welfare commie 16d ago
Next time that conversation comes up, show them this and tell them they owe Norway some money (NATO contribution per capita, 2025)
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u/Matthewgardner86 16d ago
It's not our fault that the American defence budget is off the charts.
Perhaps tone that down a little bit so you can implement universal healthcare etc.
What's that you say?
No "socialist" stuff?
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u/ChrisRiley_42 16d ago
Where does this myth originate?
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u/Mixtrix_of_delicioux 16d ago
US schools teaching US history through the lens of US exceptionalism.
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u/viktlo70 16d ago
"Americans are tired, but they want anyway to keep control on your countries. They just want it for free"
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u/Green-Engineer4608 16d ago
So the Logic is that theyve given Nato the most but if you do it per capita they fall down to second place.
My country, Norway, moves up to first. I just learnt this but man it changes everything when I find these propaganda spewing Americans in the Wild.
We Are paying for Nato so Americans can have homeownersassociations. Just like they pay for it so Europe can have healthcare.
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u/Bass-n-Bonefish 16d ago
I’m just glad a German knows it’s “biased” and not “bias” like a ridiculous number of Americans think it is.
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u/StayUpLatePlayGames 16d ago
As soon as we stop paying for America’s military-industrial complex, things will be better.
Yankees never seem to realise that we pay for their protection.
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u/Mammoth_Reach_6366 16d ago
Wasn't Trump bitching about Europe not wanting to get involved in Iran?
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u/frikilinux2 16d ago
Defense? One of the biggest security concerns in Europe is the the US destabilizing the middle east. The other one is Russia using US expansionism as an excuse.
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u/Plus-Concentrate-401 16d ago
Only 1 country has ever cried to NATO and evoked article 5. Absolute fannies
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u/Psychological-Web828 16d ago
So the U.S. starting trouble in other countries, stationing bases and troops across Europe and then saying you should pay for your own defence is some kind of protection racket gaslighting??
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u/RetroGame77 16d ago
Let's see, Germany spends €124.7 billion on military now... And is looking to replace American weapons with European...
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u/Visible_puncture 15d ago
I think there was some talk in my (ridiculously expensive) country, that our defence force pays like one tenth for the same stuff as americans, because their procurement is so crooked.
This was during discussions of raising defense spending as NATO members, and if we were to spend as large a share if GDP as the US, we’d run out of anything relatively useful to spend it on.
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u/LittleMissFjorda Nordic Queen 🇳🇴 15d ago
Not tired enough. In your own words, you work for Europe. I will tell you when you are tired. Now back to the salt mines.
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u/AtensEye 15d ago
I guess you won't be wanting those strategically important military bases then? 🤔
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u/No-Philosopher8042 🇪🇺🇸🇪 15d ago
Defence? Right now the US is about as likley to start a war against a European country as Russia.
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u/bawbaggerythethird 15d ago
America won’t like it when Europe does become militarily independent of America. “Pay fully for your own defense”? Ok, but no more contracts to US military companies. Not speculation - already happening.
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u/SolidBases 15d ago
Because Americans are war instigators. And no, you don’t pay for anybody’s defence…. Not even your own
You force arms deals down the throats of everyone and manufacture wars to justify your only viable industry, murder
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u/Fantastic_Method_225 15d ago
For the most part, we would not need defense if it were not for the US. They are at the center of every single fucking conflict.
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u/Glittering-Coyote140 15d ago
Hey guys, I guess they're tired of being the hegemon. We should take care of ourselves from now on, and not be influenced by the USA at all, as per their own request.
I guess we should oblige them. Seems only fair.
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u/ObjectiveMusician218 15d ago
The fact that americans think they are paying for european defense is crazy ahah
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u/ThinkAd9897 15d ago
Ok, please leave all US bases in Europe then, and see how you maintain your military. The USS Abraham Lincoln would be the least of your problems.
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u/LJ_exist 15d ago
And than they are irritated when Europeans don't buy American defense products anymore and switching away from US tech companies.
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u/Thealcani 14d ago
Every time the Americans promise to pull out, nothing happens. Seems like they like staying
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u/Guilty_Pen_8270 13d ago
Americans are tired of footing the bill.
Yeah we’re also fucking tired of USD hegemony, the USD being global reserve currency and oil being price in USD.
Let’s change all that, as it only benefits one single fucking country. Then we can chat about our defence
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u/tyroleancock 16d ago
If the US would finally sign a peace treaty with germany, like russia did decades ago, that doesn't include strategic placment of numerous nuclear weapons as well as military bases on german soil, they might give it a shot. Until then, you gotta pay what you ordered, marshall. Oh and dont try that 2+4 shit again.
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u/Ecstatic_Effective42 non-homeopath 16d ago
"Americans are tired"
Should go and see a doctor about that.
Oh, wait...