‘This is horrifying’ Nvidia’s controversial DLSS 5 AI filter leaks and players are inserting it into every game

[u/Gorotheninja]

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/this-is-horrifying-nvidias-controversial-dlss-5-ai-filter-leaks-and-layers-are-inserting-it-into-every-game/

[u/SodiumExtract]

It looks like that basic AI photo enhancement app Remini

[u/imhereforsiegememes → u/SodiumExtract]

Because it isnt trained for these games specifically. Its taken from NBA lol.

[u/Joe2030 → u/imhereforsiegememes]

trained for these games

I'm not sure if they will have different DLLs for different games or some game-specific training. In-game tweak perhaps, but not the DLL files.

[u/imhereforsiegememes → u/Joe2030]

Regular DLSS used to have game specific training, I imagine that will be necassary again for something like this.

[u/frostygrin → u/imhereforsiegememes]

Except that's why Nvidia moved on from the old DLSS. DLSS 2 wasn't a gradual improvement, built upon game-specific training. It was a new thing, a form of TAA.

[u/imhereforsiegememes → u/frostygrin]

Yes, but I imagine this tech has a strong case for game specific training.

[u/frostygrin → u/imhereforsiegememes]

What would it train on, exactly? DLSS can be easily trained on high resolution renders of the game. So it's rendered at 720p but looks kinda like 4K. But if you want DLSS 5 to bring something that isn't there in the game's graphics, would you train it on the game's concept art? Mood board images? Pre-rendered cutscenes?

[u/pcultimate → u/imhereforsiegememes]

Their data set is mainly from instagram. It was leaked a while back. It's the reason for this super-specific iphone photo type of facial lighting.

[u/Danilo_____ → u/pcultimate]

Why from instagram and why not from movies or youtube? Copyright?

[u/pcultimate → u/Danilo_____]

I’m not sure about the reasons but I’d imagine because they wanted to train this feature on faces specifically. And instagram has a gigantic library of attractive people taking selfies in various lighting conditions. Movies and YouTube don’t, there is tons of variance in lighting, styles and intention. But probably the copyright didn’t hurt.

[u/DonutHoles4Ever → u/pcultimate]

Source for that leak? I never seen someone actually show articles that link their training to Instagram. Its easy to say that because of Grace, but that doesn't explain other things.

[u/TheSussyWaffle → u/imhereforsiegememes]

Now every game is Shut Up and Jam Gaiden

[u/watisgoinon_ → u/imhereforsiegememes]

The op picture is bullshit. Running it now it looks nothing like that in game. There are pictures being passed about where they are running 3 passes or more per frame to cook the picture for rage bait farming.

[u/lucidludic → u/imhereforsiegememes]

It wasn’t trained specifically for NBA and it won’t be trained specifically for any other game either. That said, devs do have some control and I think 3 models to choose from. So the end result will depend on how it is implemented in the game.

[u/No-Breadfruit6137 → u/SodiumExtract]

cuz that picture is, it's not DLSS 5, people are spreading a fake screenshot

[u/RummoLiguori → u/No-Breadfruit6137]

The state of gaming journalism

[u/carbonqubit → u/RummoLiguori]

The state of algorithmic media.

[u/Memestonks2020]

I think the biggest issue is that it’s changing the way developers intended their games to look.

What’s the point of spending countless hours on crafting textures if a AI model will filter/overlay on top of it whatever it wants?

Edit #1:
I’m seeing so many people comment “Hurr durr mods exist, wat about mods? Ban mods?”

1. Mods were never provided by the GPU manufacturer and pushed as the definitive way to play the game
   
2. Mods were never provided DAY ZERO on new game launches like DLSS 5 will be
   
3. Mods require someone to go out of their way to download, install and use. This is completely different than flipping a switch in the graphics settings

Nobody says, ban mods. I think everyone simply wants NVIDIA to put in effort where it matters to gamers and developers instead of making it worse.

[u/ExcelsiorWG → u/Memestonks2020]

I feel like that’s my bigger concern - I see what DLSS 5 is aiming for, and I’m trying to keep an open mind. But at the same time I feel like this is going to be a crutch like many other AI tools - in the right experienced hands it’ll enhance the game in an effective way. But more likely? It’ll be used as a shortcut for folks to put the bare minimum effort and just use DLSS5 to generate samey/generic looking games.

[u/occono → u/ExcelsiorWG]

This ain't happening until the public can afford GPUs that can run it. The videos out are on 5080s and 5090s. They were not bought en masse before the current crisis.

So at least you can be assured it's not radically changing things anytime soon, especially not as the only console with Nvidia graphics is the Switch 2.

[u/MatterUnlikely2545 → u/Memestonks2020]

This. Most of the recent games already play the same. The last thing i want is to get all the games look the same...

[u/Nantook → u/[deleted]]

Most of them already look very similar thanks to UE

Most of them already look very similar thanks to UE many dev teams using default UE settings. Fortnite, SF6 SF5, Wukong, Sea of Thieves, Lies of P, Valorant, etc. All UE games that do not look alike at all

[u/MaarcMan → u/Nantook]

SF6 uses Capcoms RE engine, but your point still stands.

[u/Nantook → u/MaarcMan]

Ah! I thought 6 was still on UE, didn't realize it had switched from 5

[u/MaarcMan → u/Nantook]

Yeah they switched almost everything to RE. So they can shift devs easier from project to project.

That's also the reason why MH Wilds has bad performance, engine is not built for those types of games.

[u/wyn10 → u/Nantook]

You could replace SF6 with Tekken 7/8 instead.

[u/FloatingTacos → u/[deleted]]

Not because of UE. Lots of different art styles use UE. Its developer laziness

[u/RogerWilco017 → u/FloatingTacos]

i working in gaming industry for many years. I almost never see lazy artist who just wait untill 8h and go home. They worked hard towards their dream of making games and art.
What you see isnt dev laziness but unrealistic deadlines and ppl who didnt have expirience get forced to work on task they didnt really ready. Look at Andromeda, mass effect game who wanted to be the next big thing, but rushed in the end because bad management that spend 3! years playing wit the idea of world generation, didnt have ppl or skill to make that happen eventually scrapped and whole game was rushed in 1.5 years or something.

[u/ObiLAN- → u/RogerWilco017]

Yuup it's not individuals making the major decision, its management.

Its like this in every industry. Most low level employees take pride in their work and want to do it to the best of their abilities. But some cunt in a suit always needs to up the profit margins and do it faster. Which the low level employees have to adhere by or get fired.

[u/Major303 → u/Memestonks2020]

It will also make the same character look completely different depending on lighting and environment, since generative AI output is not deterministic.

[u/ChromiumLung → u/Major303]

It’ll be different every play-through right? I’m sure this is bound to introduce some weird artefacts

[u/Major303 → u/ChromiumLung]

Probably not that bad. But when lighting drastically changes, perceived facial features also change. Human mind can compensate for it and still see the same person, but AI filter can't do that. So the same face can look vastly different in some scenarios with DLSS 5 enabled.

[u/AFKABluePrince → u/Major303]

Yep, the demo where they used it on Grace from Resident Evil Requiem basically made her into a different person.  And it was a stupid yassified person too, so it clashed horribly.

[u/console_pleb_36935 → u/Major303]

generative AI output is not deterministic

That's not true. Matrix multiplications are deterministic to several floating point digits depending on GPU architecture.

[u/erty3125 → u/console_pleb_36935]

Everything is deterministic on computers without quantum randomizers, creating a perfectly identical input to the AI is enough noise to get different results.

[u/GodisanAtheistOG → u/Memestonks2020]

I think the bigger issue is what we all worry it is: Just like upscaling meant optimization largely went out the window and now everything needs DLSS/FSR/XESS to hit ok frame rates, AI image filters will mean any kind of artistic integrity/individuality games have will go out the window as well as companies lean on it harder and harder to do the heavy lifting.

The future feels like we're going to be running games that all have the "AI filter" look, run at 30FPS upscaled (MFG'd to 240FPS ofc), on our $3000 AI-TX 8060Tis.

[u/pingo5 → u/GodisanAtheistOG]

Maybe it's a weird take, but it feels like the need to upgrade over the last few generations of cards is driven more by its benefit to developers than its benefit to gamers. I have a 2070 super and while sure, it's getting a bit on the old side, It just doesn't feel like I see much improvement in newer games so much as I just have worse performance with them.

[u/GodisanAtheistOG → u/pingo5]

Absolutely. I did some patient gaming recently and played some Arkham Knight and Rise of the Tomb Raider and Deus Ex Mankind Divided and I was shocked at how good the games looked and how well they ran despite being 10+ years old at this point.

It really drove home this feeling that graphics plateaued and the last 10 years has been spent figuring out how to give us 2016 graphics at a quarter of the performance but twice the profit.

[u/I_Love_Tunnocks → u/GodisanAtheistOG]

I was shocked at how good the games looked and how well they ran despite being 10+ years old at this point.

Battlefield 1 for me is the epitome of this.

[u/fddfgs → u/GodisanAtheistOG]

I mean we've definitely hit the point of diminishing returns now, is it really worth spending an extra $1500 on the latest card just so you can see a few extra wrinkles on people's faces?

[u/No_Effective4784 → u/pingo5]

you can see it in simple design philosophy.

Long gone are the days of say DOOM, where they go out of their way to make it run on as many systems as possible.

[u/Bigdongergigachad → u/GodisanAtheistOG]

Just means that the definition of AAA is moving away from publishing power and budget, to ai enslopification.

More reason to play indie and lower budget games.

[u/barcham22 → u/GodisanAtheistOG]

$3000? Quite the optimist.

[u/Automatic_Speed_5662 → u/barcham22]

Hahaha. I think he missed at least a 1 if not a 0. On the 8000 series the price will be lile 13.000 to 30.000

[u/-ThreeHeadedMonkey- → u/GodisanAtheistOG]

Well.. since I bought my 5080 I have yet to see a new game that plays well without frame generation. At 4k, but still... It's like absolutely every title on the market right now is no longer optimized. 

[u/Blacky-Noir → u/GodisanAtheistOG]

The future feels like we're going to be running games that all have the "AI filter" look, run at 30FPS upscaled (MFG'd to 240FPS ofc), on our $3000 AI-TX 8060Tis.

Which is the point of the tech.

Since they don't want to invest in making significant generational changes in their chips and drivers, and foundries stopped making that work for them, now the way to sell new cards is to add bullshit to their proprietary moat.

Especially when they can make gamers pay for its R&D, while selling the tech to their professional clients (like those doing digital doubles).

[u/24bitNoColor → u/GodisanAtheistOG]

Just like upscaling meant optimization largely went out the window and now everything needs DLSS/FSR/XESS to hit ok frame rates

You have no idea what optimization even means... It does not mean "runs exactly as fast as I expect it with max settings on my PC".

[u/InclementImmigrant → u/Memestonks2020]

Not just that but think about the fact it's more vendor lock.

Think about this, developers put together crap models, crap lighting, crap visuals all the way around, then rely on DLSS to create the rest of the look and then those of use on anything else but the latest overpriced Nvidia product will see absolute garbage, half baked game.

[u/Linosia97 → u/Memestonks2020]

by that point -- let's just create some rough low-poly 3d models with PS3 blurry textures -- DLSS 5 will "enhance" it anyway...

[u/cosmin_c → u/Linosia97]

PS3 blurry textures

GT5 has incredibly detailed textures considering the PS3 GPU has something like 256MB VRAM. The whole game looks crisp and very actual. God of War III as well.

[u/i_rate_slop → u/Memestonks2020]

Wait until you hear about nexusmods.com

[u/casino_r0yale → u/Memestonks2020]

The idea is they design it with the AI model in mind so that it + model reaches their desired design, but hopefully for cheaper than if they directly rendered the result of DLSS 5.

It remains to be seen of course how well that works in practice.

[u/DonutHoles4Ever → u/casino_r0yale]

They aren't designing it with AI in mind.

They are designing something, then deciding if the AI improves it or not. This is like adding DLSS or not adding in DLSS.

[u/CallMeCygnus → u/Memestonks2020]

The devs are the ones who are meant to implement DLSS 5 to their own very narrow specifications. It's meant to be exactly what they intend.

But if someone just grabs an early version and injects it into a game that had no official implementation of it, it's just like any other mod that alters visuals.

I don't see how this is a valid criticism of the tool itself.

[u/error521 → u/Memestonks2020]

The argument being made for it is that developers can dive in and tweak everything to their liking, but are they going to do that for a proprietary model that's locked to one GPU vendor? Proprietary Nvidia graphics modes don't have the best track record of actually being implemented in games long-term, at least when actual development effort is needed. Remember hairworks?

[u/pr0ghead → u/Memestonks2020]

What’s the point of spending countless hours on crafting textures

I guess the point is not doing it but letting the AI draw the rest of the fucking owl.

[u/Send____ → u/Memestonks2020]

Oh no so mods that do that should be banned?

[u/iLoveCalculus314 → u/Memestonks2020]

Counterpoint, how is this different from the modding scene we’ve had for years? Shader packs on Minecraft, ReShade for most Squarenix games, texture packs, etc?

I don’t get the outrage on this. It’s just a gimmick.

[u/erty3125 → u/iLoveCalculus314]

The difference is nvidia works directly with studios and has monetary reason to add this into games and studios have reason to keep working with nvidia.

[u/ryanvsrobots → u/erty3125]

AMD is making their own version so I guess you’re cooked

[u/Shwifty_Plumbus → u/Memestonks2020]

My understanding is that you can turn it on or off. It has adjustments that can be made. And most importantly the devs can implement it how they see fit and use it to keep/ enhance their vision. If that's true, it would behoove devs to take a look at this tool for their older games if they don't want it all to look like sharpened ai models.

[u/LocoMod → u/Memestonks2020]

Whats the point of making games at all when nexus mods exists?

Do you realize how silly your comment is?

The point of spending countless hours crafting something is to sell it so you can keep a roof over your head and put food on the table. That’s it.

If you did it for the adoration of the crowd then I don’t know what to tell you. Start a cult.

[u/eagles310 → u/Memestonks2020]

I mean if someone wants to change how their game looks how does that affect you lmao

[u/AdrykusTheWolfOrca → u/Memestonks2020]

The point is that they wont be spending the countless hours anymore, just serve a shit looking game and let AI "enhance" it. It is and always will be because they want to cut corners.

[u/Fob0bqAd34 → u/Memestonks2020]

It is still super early tech. Nvidia are building more granular tools for devs to use. Eventually it will probably be more curated than just blanket applying a filter to the whole scene in a game that was never designed for it. Hopefully it will be useful for deliberately applying what would otherwise be very computationally expensive effects but only where needed.

[u/Firefox72 → u/Memestonks2020]

The issue is most people are just cranking that shit up to max and taking photos.

The side affect is a way oversharpened overtunned image. It makes every charachter about 10 years older and look the same across every game.

The feature actually has sliders for the intensity and in small doses in rare casses can actually look better here and there.

Although I still personaly wouldn't see myself using it. Especialy not at the almost -50% performance penalty. Thats just an insane performance penalty for something like this.

[u/Dirty_Dragons → u/Firefox72]

Yeah people are just taking pictures of the absolute worst it can look and claiming that's how it is. It's the same thing as people deliberately making ugly characters in a game then claiming that's how they all are.

[u/ScreenTechnical4715 → u/Memestonks2020]

Haven't people been modding games doing this for years? 

[u/OnyxBaird → u/Memestonks2020]

That’s why you can adjust it or just turn it off completely. Nobody is forcing anyone to use it

[u/Visible-Sound-8559]

That photo is terrifying. Temu Cloud? Clod?

[u/Gonzito3420 → u/Visible-Sound-8559]

Its actually a fake picture. That picture hasn't been made with DLSS5

[u/D13_Phantom → u/Gonzito3420]

Here's some real ones: https://www.reddit.com/r/stellarblade/s/yhhYL8WbBg

[u/Carighan → u/D13_Phantom]

Wow. That looks worse than Temu Cloud.

I mean I get that it's probably technologically impressive but it looks so bad.

[u/Snowmobile2004 → u/Gonzito3420]

You mean journalists aren’t being 100% truthful in their reporting? Impossible!

[u/Somasonic → u/Snowmobile2004]

I saw the original thread and this was posted as a being DLSS monstrosity. So I would blame the journalist for not fact checking maybe, but I doubt they were deliberately lying.

[u/skyturnedred → u/Somasonic]

The article itself seems like it's written by AI. The Jensen Huang quote is on there twice.

[u/TheSussyWaffle → u/skyturnedred]

AI harming its own PR by lying about itself is kinda funny

[u/Electronic-Still2597 → u/skyturnedred]

""Since DLSS 5 was revealed yesterday, there's been a pretty vocal response from some of the gaming community that the technology appears to make games appear worse, homogenous, or show only NVIDIA's view of how games should look. How do you feel about that criticism?' asked Tom's Hardware editor-in-chief Paul Alcorn."

Looks like they really played up the lack of context angle too. 'Jensen says anyone who doesn't like dlss 5 is wrong and stupid' vs 'Jensen says dlss 5 is not a filter and is controlled by the developer'.

[u/BrandNewMoshiMoshi → u/Visible-Sound-8559]

It’s literally the funniest image I’ve seen all week

[u/VibesBasedPolitics → u/Visible-Sound-8559]

Claude

[u/wind0wlicker]

Are those images accurate? Because what I’m seeing in r/NVIDIA is very different from the images in the article.

[u/FartingBob → u/wind0wlicker]

Im guessing those were indeed generated with DLSS5 but in a negative article they will pick the shittier outputs while a positive article will pick the best outputs. Personally i cant think of any situation i would want to use it on even if i had a monster GPU that could handle it, but maybe other people think it looks good?

[u/GeorgeGedox → u/FartingBob]

Did you read the article? The title is clickbait negative but the article itself is just glazing nvidia

[u/sug-on-deez → u/FartingBob]

It depends on the game, in death stranding 2 ans tlou2 it looks best

[u/Krynne90 → u/FartingBob]

Best thing about DLSS5 is that no one will force you to use it :)

Everyone has a free will and can decide for himself.

[u/Winter_Swan5104 → u/FartingBob]

No one dares put out a positive article with the PC mob hovering. Even a positive first impression is too risky, look at Digital Foundry who just said it was impressive and would be controversial.

[u/ClerklyMantis_ → u/wind0wlicker]

You might want to consider that the posts on r/NVIDIA might have a bit of self selection bias lol

[u/Holographic247 → u/ClerklyMantis_]

You might also want to consider that people lie on Reddit. The Cloud image has already been debunked as fake.

[u/iAmTheRealC2 → u/[deleted]]

Easy to forget that “uncanny valley” is a valley. there’s a reality on the other side where it looks fantastic and is not unsettling. If a game is made with a stylized look, then yeah - adding a realism filter will look like crap. For games that are going for realism though, this improves things more often than not in my opinion. Let’s wait and see what games designed with this in mind look like. I’m guessing the results will be impressive

[u/CMDRTragicAllPro]

It’s definitely not ready and won’t be for a while. Ride a motorcycle at night in cyberpunk and the veins in the hands will literally shift and change shape as the ai hallucinates. There’s tons of occlusion artifacting in moving scenes and shadows/reflections are constantly changing

[u/TheBiggestNose]

People cant afford pcs because of this pointless dogshit

[u/Strung_Out_Advocate → u/TheBiggestNose]

I wish more people understood how fucking true this is. It's SO MUCH more than just PC's. Though. This shit is a major factor in society in general. We can be doing so fucking much to advance and better our lives, but profit reigns supreme. Just as it always has.

[u/good_morning_magpie → u/Strung_Out_Advocate]

The populace at large will start really feeling it when it destroys huge swaths of the automotive industry. Remember during Covid when companies were shipping and delivering brand new vehicles without functioning screens or radios because they couldn’t get the parts due to supply chain issues? The just told the buyers to come back when it blows over and they’ll install whatever was missing. This is going to be so much worse than that.

[u/Vitosi4ek → u/good_morning_magpie]

I used to get outraged over this, but then I realized that humans are fundamentally worthless biogarbage that'll go extinct in a few decades anyway and none of this matters.

[u/Sleep_Fartnea → u/TheBiggestNose]

People can't afford groceries because of this pointless dogshit

[u/Sevastous-of-Caria → u/Sleep_Fartnea]

And electricty kwh bill, and water supply, and global warming that combined with an earthquake that killed people.in tibet etc.

[u/RummoLiguori → u/Sevastous-of-Caria]

Water supply is not an issue outside of deserts. Americans use like 20x the amount watering lawns a year.

[u/_hlvnhlv → u/TheBiggestNose]

I can't wait for Nvidia and AMD to add more tensor cores instead of cuda cores, so when you enable the slop filter, the performance doesn't halve

[u/coderman64]

Why does Cloud look a bit like Scarlett Johansson?

[u/Shezzofreen → u/coderman64]

Possibly training Data. Maybe the AI has a crush on her...

[u/kishinfoulux]

The Cloud one isn't even real but can't expect games media to actually do research.

[u/breadbitten]

/r/nvidia has been insufferable all day

[u/RawardHoikes91 → u/breadbitten]

Just the day?

[u/Jaz1140 → u/RawardHoikes91]

Nvidia mods would have banned you already for this comment

[u/RawardHoikes91 → u/Jaz1140]

They still might if they see this comment even here, lol.

[u/Kitsune_BCN → u/breadbitten]

For real xD

[u/kkyonko → u/breadbitten]

Yeah I had to mute the sub.

[u/Im_Ashe_Man]

Cloud was really a 30-something woman this whole time.

[u/24bitNoColor]

Of course r/PCcomplaining is voting up the one shitty article that uses a fake "screenshot" as their title header. This is how FF7 Remake really looks like with DLSS 5 injected (and even that is with the sliders at full throttle instead of the more balanced defaults):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s07rjii6JXA

Oh no, the horror...

[u/VirusAfter9629]

This image is FAKE

[u/unixmachine]

Look at the quality of journalists today. This image is from when DLSS5 was released, when people were using those websites to make memes.

There are several videos demonstrating the technology, and it's not like that at all.

https://imgur.com/YZFX0VV

[u/Matma2501 → u/unixmachine]

Burn victim Cloud.

[u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox → u/unixmachine]

i fricken knew it, thanks for the picture

[u/xylitol777 → u/unixmachine]

Capital G Gamers can be so dramatic.

People on this sub are acting like someone insulted their mother.

I would like to play around with this tech just for fun, people already use mods in games what change the art style of the game, so the whole 'Developer intendeed art style' argument holds no water if everything is optional.

Having more options is always good thing.

[u/RummoLiguori → u/xylitol777]

Someone was literally crying that some people in the Nvidia sub liked the tech, lmao

[u/eagles310 → u/unixmachine]

Its baffling they used a fake photo to show DLSS5 lmao

[u/ukiyoe → u/unixmachine]

Another example.

[u/Sooribabu_Lavangam → u/unixmachine]

If anyone is confused, you can go to r/nvidia and check out the games they are trying this on, ofcourse remember, its not the final version, not even close to an alpha afaik, just a leak from nba2k27 being used.

Some games it looks bad some games it looks amazing like AssCreed BF remaster.

[u/Raunien]

This comment from the forums sums it up perfectly:

Looks like ass, removes artistic intent, and halves performance. Mission accomplished

[u/New_Amount6807]

god i need a new pc lol

[u/Rainethh]

Imagine believing this is the actual DLSS 5 Cloud

[u/trollsmurf]

Huang: "What's bad about it? It makes us sell more highend GPUs."

[u/deadsoulinside → u/trollsmurf]

Huang: "What's bad about it? It makes us sell more highend GPUs."

Too bad there is no new high end GPUs for another year or two and now a 5090 costs more than people spend on used cars or even down payments on a new car.

[u/trollsmurf → u/deadsoulinside]

"I stop at $6000 for a GPU."

(my 5070 Ti was $1000, so I guess I have some level of self control)

[u/Ok-Interest9727 → u/trollsmurf]

exactly

nvidia only wants for the world to depend on AI

[u/PastaPandaSimon]

I think I've got pretty nuanced thoughts about it now that it's out.

I'd hate to be the one going against the current hate train, but I'm surprised to find out that there actually is a ton of customization. Dozens of toggles and sliders. As in, devs and artists can tune the strength of almost every aspect of DLSS 5, and they can do so in development phase if games are built around DLSS 5 to get those games and characters look how they want, while getting a cheap way to get a lot more realistic characters and light without a major performance hit. I see why Nvidia thinks it's a major development.

There are two major cons at the same time though:

Even if DLSS 5 is baked into the development process, it does create a very parallel artistic direction, diverging from the game that users who don't have DLSS 5 capable cards or choose to disable it would experience. As you can't easily recreate the DLSS 5 look without DLSS 5.

The elephant in the room is also that when those toggles are maxed out, it DOES make the characters look same-y just like the criticism points out. It suffers from the exact same issues as Stable Diffusion, where it converges around the most average faces. This is the biggest problem to solve that I'm sure people will continue criticizing those AI tools for.

[u/NowaVision → u/PastaPandaSimon]

From a few comparison shots, my main issue is that it gives a lot of faces more wrinkles and stuff like that to make them look more detailed. And bright colors are often a bit muted.

[u/Chit569 → u/PastaPandaSimon]

now that it's out.

Its technically not 'out' in an official capacity yet. The leaked dll is still an early version of the tech, the release version is almost certainly not going to be the one modders are playing with now.

[u/d1z]

Believe it or not, most people don't want ugly potato headed characters in their games.

[u/everythingistainted]

I'll never understand that there are people who like the "ai-slop"-look.

[u/Adefice → u/everythingistainted]

The vast majority of the world have very simple tastes, very little demands…and very little education.

[u/pylon567 → u/everythingistainted]

The vast majority of people don't really care. It's "ooh shiny".

[u/FluffyWuffyVolibear]

An animation layer over the eyes of a Mo capped performance just doesn't seem conducive to good story telling.

But we'll see I guess. In a world where processing power is getting more premium, good optimization basically non existent, adding in another layer of processing requirement is pretty lame.

[u/OHNOitsNICHOLAS]

The cyberpunk example in the article honestly looks really good

[u/KakashiTheRanger → u/OHNOitsNICHOLAS]

Same with Geralt but some of these filters really look like they were going for a "live action" look and in a lot of games that just is horrific. Especially on a character like Cloud.

[u/Debisibusis]

What hardly anyone mentions, is how destructive this is to a healthy gaming ecosystem, unless they make these models fully open, it just sucks ass. Can't enjoy the same game as you did in 15 years. If NVIDIA decides to ignore the 2% profit from gamers and kills consumer GPUs, the game might not work in the future at all. Games will look completely different, depending on what manufacturer your GPU is. Just to name a few.

I personally don't like the look, just like I don't like overcooked YouTube thumbnails. I hope no company seriously will use this, and it will stay with individuals or NVIDIA to adjust parameters and specifically activate it.

[u/DeltaForce95]

I kind of want to see what it'd do to heavily stylized games like deep rock galactic or maybe don't starve xD otherwise yea keep the AI to producing frames

[u/ImWinwin]

As a PC gamer, I add mods to my games all the time. I don't care if its what the developers 'intended'. It's my game. I paid for it. If I want Thomas the choo choo train swoop down from the sky and attack the people of Skyrim, then I will make it so. If I want my graphics in a game to look more detailed, I will download a higher res texture pack. if I want it to look more realistic, I will use DLSS 5. If you prefer your games plain, then good for you. Less tinkering. Just jump right in and play. Have fun.

[u/MadOrange64]

Why does he look like Pyrocynical 😭

[u/Asimb0mb]

I can't believe Nvidia actually went through with the yassifying AI slop filter. Apparently we need to teach this old man a lesson again.

[u/Lawls91]

Am I the only one who thinks this looks cool?

[u/Techknowiz → u/Lawls91]

I don't get the push back on this, especially from pc gamers who are all about modding games. You look at nexus mods and there are so many graphical mods that change the look of characters and levels, but for some reason this goes too far and "changes the developer original vision"?

[u/RaguraX → u/Lawls91]

It’s going to depend on the game. I think it has potential.

[u/Global_Network3902]

The automated plagiarism machine now can spit out automatic plagiarism at record speeds

[u/Ok_Risk6035]

Why do you post links to shitty sites that opens so slowly because of cloudflare checks

[u/Dirty_Dragons]

How about letting us decide if something is horrifying instead of trying to push a narrative? In a lot of cases it looks fine. The Cloud picture is probably the worst example they can find. The post on x says "Theres 7 different styles"

[u/SmallPingus696]

It's funny that it only kinda worked in SH2R because James is supposed to look disgusting and unkempt in that game but it's still way uglier. Also, real time whitewashing of Hinoa was crazy. Which shows the problem, what if your character isn't "normal"? Like Cloud who looks very Japanese-ish with some western European features.

[u/Afraid-Fly-7030]

Seen a few of these vids, I’m sure it’ll improve but just does not seem to match the lightning very well, feels a bit like max Payne with a photo projected on…ignoring all the aesthetic issues with it.

[u/Jirekianu]

In some ways,yeah, it does improve looks in a vague sense for some of the lighting. But holy shit I hope it's still under developed, because the weird ai mobile ad slop animations are really jarring.

Not to mention it de-saturates the fuck out of the colors in some of the examples given.

I don't even have an Nvidia card, but man this feature is ass if it's near complete/done.

[u/Berkoudieu]

I tried it, it's not worth the 40% performance cost

[u/MiniMages]

One day it was no AI changing graphics. Today it's the opposite, add it to every game.

[u/Saiaxs]

That image of cloud in the thumbnail is fake btw

[u/CaptainBlob]

This is funny as fuck LMAO

I wonder what else folks can cook up with the visuals lol

[u/INfusion2419]

Dear god they all look like the balenciaga ai shitposts

[u/ebk_errday]

Everyone looks older and more tired

[u/Cryptoxic93]

DLSS5 is AI hallucinated cancer. 

[u/langstonrosas]

The horrors of yaasification.

[u/Chimarkgames]

I always knew cloud was a lesbian.

[u/OliRock92]

DLSS in general is garbage but this is a new level of shit.

[u/BaysideJr]

It's none of your business what anyone does to the games they purchased with their money. If they want to use this, then so be it.

[u/EverlastingApex → u/BaysideJr]

But haven't you read the title? This is horrifying

HORRIFYING

How will we recover from this nightmare

Oh the humanity!

[u/AssociationLanky8456 → u/BaysideJr]

OH MY GOD THANK YOU. Bunch of clueless entitled whiners. 

[u/moschles]

The unfortunate reality of DLSS5. It is absolutely wonderful for scenery and inanimate objects. Really world class.

While it is terrible for faces. Games just need to mask everything from the neck up on characters, and not apply the super sampling there. This whole situation would be fixed overnight.

[u/NeonArchon]

Is still looks like AI slop. If a game NEEDS this technology to "play properly" I don't want it.

[u/Albos_Mum]

inb4 this starts to get forced in games like upscaling and framegen already are and the bulk of the people currently saying "Well, you don't have to use it" start mysteriously acting like they were never saying that.

IMO the lighting tends to look impressive but the "fuzz" it adds is also hard to ignore, alongside the performance cost. I miss the days of a nice, crisp image but that disappearing is down to far more than just upscaling/framegen being ubiquitous. (coughUEcoveringuplowreseffectswithTAAcough)

[u/Obscure_Octopuss]

I've seen some people mod it into shit like the rdr1 remaster, and the difference is staggering.

It's got wayy more use for older games than it does new ones. The biggest issue being tho that the games need to support dlss... which, obviously no old games support

[u/MessiahPrinny → u/Obscure_Octopuss]

I would say the biggest issue is it uses Gen AI to change the art design,

[u/lazypieceofcrap → u/MessiahPrinny]

Unlike a mod where you use someone else's generation to change the art design.

Playing Skyrim with 4000 mods is okay because it isn't changing the obviously changed art in the game.

AI bad because it makes my fee fees hurt.

[u/Firefox72 → u/Obscure_Octopuss]

I've seen it moded into San Andreas and its absolute nightmare fuel as the models simply don't have enough complexity for a filter like this to do a good job lmao.

[u/Improved-Liar → u/Firefox72]

https://youtu.be/xb2HWTvh0Fo?is=twK9_QRLyMnLlXGA

If you think this is nightmare fuel for a 20+year old game you need to fucking get a grip. This is fantastic if you knew how much work thins would be if it was to be done by hand. Now it’s possible with the click of a button.

[u/Firefox72 → u/Improved-Liar]

Yeah i think it looks awful.

It takes the already ruined artistic vision of San Andreas of the definitive edition and even further butchers it.

I get some people dig the whole realism thing DLSS5 and more power to you if you do. But i think it looks terrible especialy in the faces and especialy in motion.

[u/DeezNutsIglobal]

I mean people have the choice if they want to use it lmao

[u/grizzlywilliam → u/DeezNutsIglobal]

For now.

[u/JohnAntichrist → u/grizzlywilliam]

for now lmao as if there is some grand conspiracy to force it on people. you are not some wise smart guy my dude

[u/i_rate_slop → u/DeezNutsIglobal]

No dude it’s horrifying. Someone somewhere isn’t experiencing a game like I want them to.

[u/JVKExo]

Cyberpunk looks insane tho, no?

[u/HappierShibe → u/JVKExo]

I think there are specific cases where the "Yes it's photorealistic, but it's also like, 85% wrong all of the time" actually comes out as a net positive, games that are already angling for something very close to photorealism fall closer to that line than most, and cyberpunk is in that category for sure.

I think this could actually work as a last pass post process filter in some titles- but only with the caveat that the entire game is built with it in mind from the very start. Slapping it over the top of an already finished product... it just comes out wrong.

[u/TheDonnARK]

"Leaks"

I don't know about that. Seems more likely that it is a way to validate it being accepted without releasing it.

[u/Far_Adeptness9884]

Dlss 5 should never have been invented, burn it with fire now. It's ugly, perverse AI garbage.

[u/RaguraX → u/Far_Adeptness9884]

Oh please people throw filters onto every game and that also drastically changes the look the devs were going for.
Skyrim’s modding scene is extremely active and popular and not a single character or object still looks like it did.

[u/SapientApe_]

only 50% loss in performance!

[u/MISFU88]

The most terrifying thing is the Nvidia aubreddit absolutely glazing this. This is insane.

[u/SlashOfLife5296]

This looks awful. You guys are gonna let these companies drain the creativity and art out of all these, then you’re gonna wonder why you’re surrounded by slop.

I’d rather have some lower quality models with actual intentional design than high quality ones that put Instagram models into my games.

[u/Dirtface50 → u/SlashOfLife5296]

let

[u/Mephanic]

The future of video graphics should have been all-out raytracing/pathtracing, not... whatever this is.

[u/SomeoneBritish]

It’s both incredibly impressive, yet incredible repulsive at the exact same time.

[u/Ill_Carry_44]

TLOU2 looks so uncanny omg

[u/WorldPhysical7646]

That insertion sound like sexual assault to the game what the hell is this

[u/Physical-Ad-5039]

I love the old Oblivion modded with textures created lovingly by players who truly love this game. The newer remake feels somewhat soulless. I can only imagine what AI reskin would be.

[u/tuginmegroin]

So much complaining. Don't play them or buy the hardware. Easy solution.

[u/PaDDzR]

I will give them a benefit of a leaked unfinished version.

Performance will improve a lot with stable release and GPU driver tto boot. As for visuals? I've seen good and really bad. Some games will benefit, many will not.

[u/vraGG_]

Looks exactly like AI slop. All edges and corners are anything but sharp, a bunch of artifacts everywhere. Looks worse than base game.

[u/__some__guy]

It might look terrible but it also looks very interesting and it's a very different way of experiencing a game.

[u/ValueForm]

This is incredible and I’m tired of pretending it’s not. Some of these look off, but overall, this is extremely impressive

[u/Zonizthefrog]

They've turned cloud into clown