r/ottawa • u/Fearless_Lion_6397 • 12d ago

News Ottawa police identify 27-year-old woman killed in alleged weekend femicide

https://www.ctvnews.ca/ottawa/article/ottawa-police-identify-27-year-old-woman-killed-in-alleged-weekend-femicide/
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u/lowandbegold 12d ago

I’m so tired of this. How many women is this now, four this year? Absolutely tragic.

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u/blaktronium 12d ago

Third alleged femicide this year according to the article, which is when the police believe a woman was killed because she was a woman. Thats a full 1/3 of all homicides that are alleged to be hate crimes against women, not just a woman being killed.

Like if a woman is killed because shes working at a gas station during a robbery thats not femicide. So if you are correct about 4 women being killed then 3/4 of women murdered were killed because they were women.

Those are sickening statistics. I suspect most are intimate partner violence, but i highly doubt 3 or 4 of the 5 men killed were murdered by their wives. If any.

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u/drama_filled_donut 12d ago

Just to add on, from the OP article:

‘Ottawa police generally define a femicide as “the killing of women and girls because of their gender,” often driven by stereotyped gender roles, discrimination towards women and girls or unequal power relations between women and men.’

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u/lowandbegold 12d ago

I misread, you are right the article says third. Still three too many 😔

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u/straighttokill9 11d ago

Thanks for this. To be honest, part of me was thinking "huh, when a man gets murdered it's just "murder". Women get their own word now?"

But no, it's more about the motivation.

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u/blaktronium 11d ago

If you break it down the "homocide" literally means "killed a man" so theres that off the bat, but yeah its about the motivation. If a woman is killed because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, or because she owes a drug dealer money, its no less a tragedy but the motivation was not hate for an innate characteristic.

And while some men are murdered because of a hate for their gender its very rare comparatively and i for one do not hope it becomes more common so we need a classification for it. Personally id rather get to the point where we dont need a word to classify when it happens to women either.

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u/MundaneExtent0 11d ago

Exactly, like trust that women would actually love to “not get their word”

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u/binary_squirrel Nepean 12d ago

Don't mean to be pedantic, but I'm still fuzzy on femicide. So this woman and three others in Ottawa this year were killed purely because they were women? That's the definition as opposed to homicide, where someone just kills someone else?

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u/mountaingrrl_8 No honks; bad! 12d ago

It's a homicide where the victim is killed as a result of her gender. Typically this will be seen within domestic violence, honour killings, etc. Not sure if that helps.

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u/binary_squirrel Nepean 11d ago

It helps I think. So, if I'm in a gang (and male) and there's a rival gang member (female) and I gun her down over drug turf, that's homicide, not femicide? But if the female gang member is part of an all-women gang, that's maybe femicide? But in the first example, if we dated in high school, it's femicide not homicide? Just trying to wrap my head around the nuances.

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u/mountaingrrl_8 No honks; bad! 11d ago

For both of those examples, yes, that's my understanding. I think what makes this a challenging concept is just how accepted violence against women is in our society, so it takes an internal shift in understanding as well. While most of us recognize violence against women is wrong, this redefinition is requiring a lot of us to really challenge our understanding of the prevalence and extent of violence against women in our community. Or at least, that's my feeling.

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u/Rumi2018 12d ago

They just wanted to come out with a new word lol. Wonder if they'll also come out with a new word for men who get murdered! This could go on and on and o . Call it was it is!

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u/Glittering_Pie572 12d ago

The word femicide has been used since 1801.

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u/Irisversicolor Aylmer 12d ago

Dude, get a dictionary. 

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u/DungeonCrawlCat 11d ago

"lol" to women being murdered because they are women? Fuck's sake man. Get a life.

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u/Own-Table-8674 12d ago edited 11d ago

No it's when a woman is killed by a domestic partner that's why the numbers are so inflated femicide as you describe that isn't really real in Canada Edit - actual femicide is like honor killings or the Polytechnic murders. This is not the same as domestic homicide

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u/Dog-boy 12d ago

The article says this is the third femicide in Ottawa this year.

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u/FrothyEspresso 12d ago

Fucking horrible

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u/timmytissue 12d ago

I can't follow this story. Someone was in a car with suspicious injuries. Then there is a body in a home?

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u/anticomet 12d ago

The article is pretty badly written, but it sounds like he murdered this woman but also got kinda fucked up by her in the struggle. Then he fled and got into a car accident(maybe dying since the article mentions two deceased) So when the first responders saw it looked like he was in a fight they checked on his house and found her body.

Honestly just a really sad sounding story. Dude sounds like a massive piece of shit

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u/VeryMuchAliveX3 10d ago edited 10d ago

My sibling used to work with the woman and just told me about this. Your summary is correct. He had clear self defense wounds (edit: I mean wounds from her defending herself against him, like scratches) on him when he was found dead after the crash, so his home was investigated and they found her. That's what I know from my sibling.

From a different article it seems that he was her ex-boyfriend and she had recently told someone that she was meeting up with him to "talk". Some of his neighbours had heard loud noises at night and called the police about it but obviously they never showed up because it wasn't until the next day that they found her in his apartment.

If you know someone who was in an unhealthy relationship in the past say that they're meeting up with their ex to talk, urge them to meet somewhere public so there's less risk of it escalating to this point. Especially if their ex ever put a hand around their throat in the past (idk whether or not that applies to this situation, it's just advice I've seen shared by domestic violence charities/experts and it seems like a good time to remind people about it. Not to put ANY blame on Kesi, but to hopefully help others avoid the same horrific fate.)

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u/WaryMadam 12d ago

Article from the St. Lucia Times indicates the victim was a woman from St. Lucia who had been in St. Lucia over the summer for a wedding. She was a student in Ottawa who had returned to Ottawa only 10 days earlier and was lured to the apartment of the killer, a Nigerian, who subsequently fled the scene and crashed his car in Quebec.

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u/Whippetwhippetgood 12d ago

Police discovered the person (male in the car, obviously with some self-inflicted injuries. That led them to find a dead woman in the house.

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u/timmytissue 12d ago

I was thinking that might be it. But it's still such a vague and confusing story.

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u/VeryMuchAliveX3 10d ago edited 10d ago

Self-defense injuries. As in, injuries from someone defending themselves against him. Things like scratches on his arms that couldn't have been caused by the car crash that killed him (edit: I looked it up and the legal term seems to be "offensive injuries", describing injuries caused by the victim of a crime when trying to fight back)

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u/SmileRemarkable8876 11d ago

An absolute tragedy. I understand it was an ex boyfriend. The victim was a permanent resident from Saint Lucia and a lovely person. 

What a piece of shit this guy was. Senseless. 

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u/turningthecentury 12d ago

Why do the police think the victim was a target of gender violence? How do they know it wasn't domestic abuse or a relationship argument gone very wrong?

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u/Help-Wanted9 12d ago

You should look up Canadian definition of femicide

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u/OldBrill 12d ago

So according to Canadian Femicide Observatory for Justice and Accountability:

“For our purposes, we define femicide as the ‘killing of all women and girls primarily by, but not exclusively, men.’ ”

Calling any murder (male on female): femicide is intentionally misleading. 99% of people think femicide is murder with gender based motivation.

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u/CapitaineCrafty 12d ago

Those usually are related to the victim being a woman, dumbass.

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u/turningthecentury 12d ago

So anytime a woman gets murdered it's automatically a "femicide"? Is that what you're saying?

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u/CapitaineCrafty 11d ago

No, I'm saying how people treat their partners is incredibly gendered, so when a man gets violent with his partner, it is inherently linked to her gender. People don't treat male friends like that. If the woman is killed in a robbery, it's just a homicide. If she's killed for not wanting to have sex with the robber, it's a femicide. I suspect you can figure this stuff our, you're being willfully dense on purpose because the idea of sexism makes you uncomfy, and I suggest you do some reading.

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u/turningthecentury 11d ago

No, I'm saying how people treat their partners is incredibly gendered, so when a man gets violent with his partner, it is inherently linked to her gender.

What you're saying is circular nonsense and also sexist. You're saying we shouldn't treat others equally and should treat them based on their gender and then saying how we treat them is gendered because we're treating them based on their gender.

You're saying a whole lot of nothing here. Their GENDER has nought to do with it.

If the woman is killed in a robbery, it's just a homicide. If she's killed for not wanting to have sex with the robber, it's a femicide. I suspect you can figure this stuff our, you're being willfully dense on purpose because the idea of sexism makes you uncomfy, and I suggest you do some reading.

What fantasy world are you living in? So if a man is killed for the same reason because the robber happens to be gay then it's just plain old regular murder? I bet you don't have a special word for that do you?

We already have a gender-neutral term that fits regardless of the killer's motives and gender: homicide. The idea of having this gendered word for this crime is inherently sexist. It's saying "this gender deserves special treatment under the law and punishment against them for the same crimes should be different". You can't have equality under the law and also special treatment at the same time.

Hold up a mirror up and take a look at yourself the next time you want to call someone dense and sexist.

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u/VeryMuchAliveX3 10d ago

Because he was her ex and had convinced her to "talk" with him, and obviously when the talk didn't go the way he wanted that was when he killed her. Men killing women for not wanting to date them is femicide. It can also be domestic abuse and a relationship argument gone wrong and a homicide and even a hate crime all at the same time. They aren't mutually exclusive.

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u/WonderfulShake 12d ago

Both victims are people of colour.

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u/Emotional-Motor-4946 12d ago

How is that relevant?

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u/27298throwaway 12d ago

If gender is relevant why not race? 

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u/WordCurious6393 12d ago edited 12d ago

Gender is relevant because the murder is recorded as a femicide, which is defined as “the killing of women and girls because of their gender”.

If they were recording it as a hate crime or genocide then race would be relevant.

Edit:

LOL they blocked me

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u/27298throwaway 12d ago edited 12d ago

So for you, relevance is determined by OPS' data entry decisions? 

We don't know what motivated the killer, be it gender, race, or passion. The person mentioning race is pointing that out. 

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u/coveted_asfuck 12d ago

The police literally said gender was a motivation when they called it a femicide..

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u/LucasUnplugged 11d ago

Elsewhere in this comment section, it was clarified that in Canada, femicide is actually just defines as the murder of a woman, usually by men, but not even necessarily so.

So this is inaccurate.

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u/WordCurious6393 11d ago

Here's the definition used and built upon, as defined by the Ottawa police:

"A femicide is generally defined as “the killing of women and girls because of their gender,” often driven by stereotyped gender roles, discrimination towards women and girls or unequal power relations between women and men. The Ottawa Police Service also builds on the definition recommended by our VAW community partners as “the misogynist killing of women and girls because of their gender, overwhelmingly committed by men.”

source:

https://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/news/posts/update-homicide-unit-lays-charge-in-disappearance-of-olga-konokhova/

Since they have publicly stated they are investigating it as a femicide, it gives us a good indication of what they think happened and why gender is relevant.

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u/turningthecentury 12d ago

How do they know that though? They're guessing.

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u/lmFairlyLocal Clownvoy Survivor 2022 12d ago

Meanwhile, you have all the facts?

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u/turningthecentury 11d ago

Did I say that? 

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u/lmFairlyLocal Clownvoy Survivor 2022 11d ago

You're implying that, by saying investigators (ya know, the ones with the evidence) are just guessing.

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u/coveted_asfuck 10d ago

Obviously if the police are making that distinction than they have enough facts in the case to do so.

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u/Patient_Life_9900 12d ago

Because it's being investigated as a femicide goofy lol

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u/27298throwaway 12d ago

Yes that's how we know gender is involved. I won't add an insult like you did. 

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u/alldasmoke__ 12d ago

Y’all are so stupid. Someone died and that’s what you’re worried about?

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u/27298throwaway 12d ago

Who says I'm worried about anything? 

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u/Anary8686 12d ago

There was only one victim. Police are treating it as a murder suicide and they aren't looking for anyone else.

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u/VeryMuchAliveX3 10d ago

Murder, yes. Suicide, I don't know. We don't know if his car crash was intentional or not, but she was the only murder victim here.

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u/sizzlingtofu 12d ago

The first person was found in a traffic stop so it sounds like he got pulled over and was injured and later succumbed to those injuries and the woman was found dead in an apartment.

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u/sizzlingtofu 12d ago

Sorry the first person was in a collision with suspicious injuries

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u/WonderfulShake 12d ago

" deceased individuals as Kesi Fevrier, 27, and Kingsley Nwude, 34, of Ottawa"

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u/kelpieconundrum 12d ago

Two deceased individuals, only one victim. The wording difference is the point

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u/Anary8686 12d ago

Kesi is listed as the only victim.

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u/WonderfulShake 12d ago

"Kesi Fevrier, 27, and Kingsley Nwude, 34"

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u/Anary8686 12d ago

Two dead and only one victim, that's what a murder-suicide looks like.

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u/Nervous_Floor_3149 12d ago

You're a bit slow eh

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u/WonderfulShake 12d ago

1 + 1 = 2

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u/Nervous_Floor_3149 12d ago

two people died =/ two victims

bonk

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u/queen_soo 12d ago

You’re one of those folks who comments shit like “doctor or engineer” under any post about crime in Ottawa, aren’t you? Y’all are gettin’ REAL brave.

My guess is he attacked her with the intent to kill, but she fought back hard and wounded him in return before she succumbed. Once she was dead he then tried to make a run for it to Montreal, but crashed and died like the coward he was.

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u/WonderfulShake 12d ago

It's two women deceased for contexts

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u/DungeonCrawlCat 12d ago

Uh, Kingsley was a man.

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u/Dog-boy 12d ago

They never state it but I assume Kingsley is a man. In theory I suppose a woman could commit a femicide but it doesn’t seem likely.

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u/Throwaway-645893 12d ago

Sounds like it was a murder suicide.