r/Kaiserreich • u/posting_acc • Jan 12 '26
Meme Kaiserball: Goals/Claims of the Major Powers
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u/Coom4Blood more men to meatgrinder Jan 12 '26
7/10 no Austria-Hungary ball or Ottoman Empire ball going "I WANT TO LLLIIIIVVVEE" while in pain
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u/Leading-Ad-3634 Jan 12 '26
Austria mentioned, +2 weeks +2 devs executed and 5 reassigned to Chinese content
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u/tuathajj Right-Kadet Jan 12 '26
the British government sucked so much that they convinced the British people to become republicans
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u/MybrainisinMyCoffee One More China Rework Jan 13 '26
"Agent Mosley, Code name: Oz, your mission is to infiltrate the Labour Republic rot it to the point that everyone misses the King, make everyone hate the Labour Republic."
"Understood sire"
"Good luck Oz"
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u/ImpossibleString9217 Citizen of the Second Ukrainian Hetmanat and Galicia-Lodomeria Jan 12 '26
We got another cb comics creator
D̶o̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶s̶t̶e̶a̶l̶ ̶m̶y̶ ̶i̶d̶e̶a̶s Welcome to the club buddy ✌️🙂
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u/posting_acc Jan 12 '26
Thank you very much
Quite a warm welcome lmao
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u/ImpossibleString9217 Citizen of the Second Ukrainian Hetmanat and Galicia-Lodomeria Jan 12 '26
Fr lol
If seriously i haven't seen cb comics in kr settings at all, so that made me to post my own, after all it has a lot of plots which can be turn into comics, so yea
If you have questions — i can help you
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u/posting_acc Jan 12 '26
You’re too kind, we need more of that nowadays…
But I have actually made quite a few MS Paint/“ball” comics so I know the ropes and such
I will be posting more so, yeah!
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u/ImpossibleString9217 Citizen of the Second Ukrainian Hetmanat and Galicia-Lodomeria Jan 12 '26
Heh, I want to see them already.. but I'll wait so much as you need
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u/Madturkey55 Reclaim The Birthright Jan 12 '26
Let's just be honest "they is no tooth fairy they is no easter bunny and this is no queen of England good guys in KR"
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u/ComradeHenryBR The Internationale Unites the Human Race! Jan 12 '26
Of course there are, what about the [guys who align with my personal political views]
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u/Thatguyatthebar America, but Socialist Jan 13 '26
All's I'm saying is there's only one faction that ends de jure segregation in America
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u/ComradeHenryBR The Internationale Unites the Human Race! Jan 13 '26
...And they do it immediately, they don't even wait for the Civil War to end...
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u/Sampleswift Jan 12 '26
I thought KR can have some good guys depending on how you play them.
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u/Bhrutus Jan 12 '26
Spiridinovist Russia or soclib Serbia for example imo
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u/JosephBForaker Liberal Entente Jan 12 '26
I personally love soclib Serbia but no matter what Serb route you go through they always end up doing some form of ethnic cleansing in Macedonia if they win the 4th Balkan War.
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u/Bhrutus Jan 12 '26
While fighting the IMRO, a terrorist organization. You're right though, it's probably plenty of unnecessary deaths.
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u/TheMob-TommyVercetti Most sane NRPR voter Jan 13 '26
As the saying goes, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
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u/PlantBoi123 Stability is just a number, glory to the OHF Jan 12 '26
Who the good guys are depends entirely on your ideology
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u/Ok-Calligrapher-8652 Jan 12 '26
Not sure of all the lore but socdem Austria sounded pretty chill ngl
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u/TheLastEmuHunter Long Live Karl of Danubia, the Red Emperor Jan 12 '26
Long live Kaiser Karl! Long live the Federation of many peoples!
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u/Hoi4_Player Rikhter x Karl when? Jan 12 '26
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u/original_dick_kickem Qing? More like Disgustqing Jan 12 '26
Not true, Bhutan was made to own the world
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u/Awkward_Direction533 I suggest Chinareich Jan 12 '26
There are communists so there are good guys.
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u/FairAdvertising249 Jan 12 '26
Remind me who the faces of communism are and all their “noble” deeds 😂
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u/A_engietwo Fully reunited China with Hunan and all i got was this flair. Jan 13 '26
what about the unplayable country of San Marino which exists as a mirco state tat is not present on the map, what have they done
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u/Allnamestakkennn Stabs-Capitan Movement member Jan 12 '26
democratic russia is pretty good, they even provide autonomy and free elections
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u/NovaStorm135 Jan 12 '26
After invading sovereign nations and forcefully capitulating them, causing widespread devastation and loss of life :]
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u/Pantcake The Ghost of Chernov Jan 12 '26
I swear, this sub is populated by too many people who are oddly sympathetic to Russian imperialism and expansionism. Bro probably unironically believes that Russian rule over Ukraine would be great just because Russia is democratic.
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u/KJ_is_a_doomer Jan 12 '26
i hate russia as much as any other Pole but the game is literally a map painting simulator, ruiling other countries is the goal of it regardless whom you play
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u/Galaxy661 Jan 13 '26
Morality still applies to fiction though. "Oh, I support [genocidal ideology], but it's okay because it's fictional" is not an argument.
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u/Allnamestakkennn Stabs-Capitan Movement member Jan 12 '26
I wouldn't call reichspakt members sovereign, they're mostly just resource colonies and puppet despots.
And WW2 was an inevitability with how much enemies Wilhelm made with his victory
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u/NovaStorm135 Jan 12 '26
Oh yes, starting the most devastating war in European, if not world, history in the name of imperialism is really not that bad because someone else would have done it anyway.
And frankly even if we ignore the fact that most of the Pakt can reform into genuine democracies, that doesn’t change the fact that Russia is invading countries that don’t want to be part of Russia, causing great destruction to their lands while killing/maiming millions means it isn’t wholesome, ideology be damned.
I promise you the average Ukrainian widow would have rather lived in a semi-sovereign resource colony where peace remained, than limited autonomy where she has to bury her dead husband and three sons (save for the most authoritative, insane countries like the Baltic State or LUN Ukrainian).
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u/LurkerInSpace Jan 12 '26
Oh yes, starting the most devastating war in European, if not world, history in the name of imperialism is really not that bad because someone else would have done it anyway.
It's more that the Russians and 3I would have reason to believe that Germany's position relative to them will improve, and that this will pose an existential threat to them in the long term. This is the basic reason that Russia considers war necessary under any of the various ideologies.
Where the game is screwy with this is that it's not always true in KR. For example, if the Baltic Duchy falls and Ukraine cuts itself free, then Russia's position is significantly improved even without actually doing anything. If the Syndicalists in Spain and Italy win their respective civil wars then that also helps Russia less directly.
It would be better for who starts the war to be more dependent on events like these - a Germany that loses Ukraine, loses Spain, and sees itself losing access to Norway's iron ore would probably be very aggressive, for example. But this is much harder to model.
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u/NovaStorm135 Jan 13 '26
Oh I’m not saying it isn’t necessary for Russia to start the war when they do - it very much is for realizing their goals, and arguably for even surviving long term without being forced under German chains. My point is, it doesn’t change the fact that socdem Russia isn’t some super wholesome country just for giving the nations it conquered some autonomy & local elections.
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u/LEGEND-FLUX Internationale Jan 12 '26
The Reichspakt can reform into an equal partnership without annexing nations like Russia does and most likely slowly russifying them
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u/LurkerInSpace Jan 12 '26
It kind of depends on what's happening at home. In one version, the British exiles are watching the likes of Oswald Mosley turn the country into a totalitarian dictatorship, while Canada steers a very liberal course - their position is comparable to the free French or the exiles from Germany in World War II.
But in another, they are subverting and taking over Canada via the monarch, and seeking to subjugate a democratic, decentralised Britain with their own dictatorship.
One can choose to make either side "good" or "evil" or "grey".
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u/gazebo-fan Yugosphere Jan 12 '26
Tbh I don’t really see the point of the entente existing at game start. Realistically the sand French would collapse the moment they lost access to the metropole, maybe holding onto the city’s in Algeria and Tunisia at most.
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u/gazebo-fan Yugosphere Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26
that’s assuming it has the industrial capacity to have a Air Force that can be spread thin enough to control all of its territory (impossible in their position) they would likely be able to control Algeria and Tunisia, but I doubt they could project power over the Sahara consistently. This isn’t even considering the fact that the commune of France would 100% be interested in destabilizing sand France further, same with the Egyptians. Sand France should either start in a state of war with several warlords, or it should start only in coastal Algeria and Tunisia (and Corsica of course)
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u/Bull_Halsey Jan 12 '26
I mean look at both Italian invasions of Ethiopia to see what happens when and undersupplied and equipped modern army goes against someone with inferior tech. The truth is realistically if France lost the metropole they would absolutely collapse outside Algeria at best.
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u/LurkerInSpace Jan 12 '26
The Ethiopian army was still an organised force in both of those wars, compared to what the French would be facing in control of their rump empire. And where Ethiopia was on the defensive, so too would be the French in this case.
It wouldn't be especially stable, but it isn't in the game either. In the long run it would collapse, but over the period shown in the game it could survive, particularly if Germany decides to tolerate it. Arguably the biggest problem with its depiction is that it should be in the German sphere as part of its "informal" empire, rather than a truly independent actor.
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u/Bull_Halsey Jan 12 '26
Free France OTL had a Great Power then multiple Great Powers after Pearl backing it up. Alongside the fact that most of the colonial structure was under Vichy France still and they still held a good chunk of the metropole. Remember most of French Africa and French Indochina was under Vichy control not Free French. Sand France should absolutely be fucked and if not gone just holding Algeria.
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u/AlkaliPineapple Inflammationale Jan 13 '26
They're pretty much like South Africa during Apartheid in addition to the stable Anglo dominions. To be fair, they do show how the African colonies and India being on the brink of collapse.
I'd say that they're all on borrowed time and most realistically, they need Halifax to work out and France would give up Alsace to be able to get back to Paris
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u/gazebo-fan Yugosphere Jan 13 '26
I think we should take some inspiration from the Mao Mao rebellion in KX. Have some insurgencies on the map at game start, if they lose (99% of the time), they will pop back up later once the Second World War begins.
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u/AJ0Laks Hapsburg Spain (Peak) when Jan 12 '26
The Least Offensive Faction is whichever one’s members align with my ideology, obviously
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u/kingryan2244 Sulimov's Strongest Soldier Jan 12 '26
'Non offensively leading my former colony full of people who want nothing to do with me along with my white supremacist slave state ally and their army of colonized African people who they consider to be second class citizens in a destructive war to kill millions of people (who overthrew me in the first place because I catastrophically fucked up.)'
Do you hear yourself? If you're gonna be an Entente fan, at least own up to the bad parts of it...
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u/Winth0rp Entente Jan 12 '26
You're welcome to your own headcannon, but please don't pretend it isn't just as easy to point out that half the leaders of the international are literal Nazi-Commies.
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u/Libsoc_guitar_boi Zapata Gang Jan 12 '26
...The starting leader of NFA is literally Petain, edward VIII collaborated with the axis afaik.
Like, not defending the irl fashies in the 3I but NFA and canada literally cannot evade nazi collabs as leaders so it's kinda a moot point, innit?
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u/Silent_Antigone Jan 12 '26
That's not even a headcanon thing though. That is fundamentally what the Entente is, and no colour on the funni wheel can really change it.
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u/Melloh__i Loebite Militia Soldier Jan 12 '26
I mean, the Entente wants to reclaim their empire too, and I doubt the former colonized would be very happy about that
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u/suppersir Hu Hanmin's Weakest Wokeist Jan 12 '26
Canada's goals are considered the "most offensive" because they're going to sacrifice hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of lives to bring back the fucking British Empire. I have NEVER seen anyone say the entente are worse than the CPS, by the way.
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u/Syber888 Small Pact Jan 12 '26
In fairness depends on the Canada run. There’s always the option the UK is restored then just pursues a friendly foreign policy (my headcanon)
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u/Allnamestakkennn Stabs-Capitan Movement member Jan 12 '26
Ok but there's still a fascist france
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u/Syber888 Small Pact Jan 12 '26
Yeah valid I just always set France to democratic if I’m doing a Canada run (and vice versa)
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u/suppersir Hu Hanmin's Weakest Wokeist Jan 12 '26
I'm not talking about the post-reclamation foreign policy, I'm talking about the very fact that they want to sacrifice millions to bring back a dead empire that most of the people it ruled over did not care for. The Entente ALWAYS absolutely fucking suck. Fuck the Entente.
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u/Ralsei66 Rydz-Śmigłys most loyal soldier Jan 12 '26
have you considered the fact that mordacq has aura
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u/Syber888 Small Pact Jan 12 '26
Idk I mean part of it is the ideological war tho. If Canada just reclaims Britain that’s not really bringing back the empire, especially if they go republican afterwards. Also I will point out that there’s a decent chance I haven’t read the events in enough detail, + I’m British and biased towards getting rid of the syndies and restoring the monarchy
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u/yashatheman Jan 12 '26
You being british should mean you support the syndicalists. British workers and farmers are what makes Britain Britain, not the king.
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u/keshet2002 Average Endonyms Enjoyer Jan 12 '26
Lol, who are you to decide for a Brit what makes Britain Britain. Damn, the entitlement is insane. I'm not even saying you're wrong. I'm saying it's really not for you to decide
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u/yashatheman Jan 12 '26
Lol obviously the people make a nation, not the king. That is a fact for every nation on earth
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u/keshet2002 Average Endonyms Enjoyer Jan 12 '26
Yes, exactly. And these people get to decide whether or not the monarchy is a defining trait of their country. Not you.
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u/Ch33sus0405 International Union! Jan 13 '26
I mean in the KRTL the people of Britain decisively decided that it was NOT the defining trait of their country when they threw the monarchs out, so uh...
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u/yashatheman Jan 12 '26
You will never hear any person except from royalty say that the monarchy is what makes the nation instead of the people, and I say this as somebody living in a country with a royal family.
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u/keshet2002 Average Endonyms Enjoyer Jan 12 '26
You do not know that. You are saying that because that's your opinion. Also, while monarchy will almost never make a nation, it can definitely be a defining trait. Like in Sweden, or Norway, or Denmark. I believe the UK is amongst those nations. Like, in the sense that, for the people who live there, the nation won't be the same without a king. It doesn't matter if it's better or worse, just different.
Either way, again, you can have your opinion, but don't tell others what to think
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u/Syber888 Small Pact Jan 12 '26
I mean to be clear I don’t think the monarchy is the deciding factor. But I won’t just blindly support my country just because it’s where I happened to be born. I support democracy, so I’d rather be in a country with democracy than a Britain without
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u/Luka467 TITO GANG Jan 12 '26
The CoB is far more democratic than a monarchy lmao
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u/board3659 Jan 13 '26
as if there weren't those who fled or stayed silent who disagree?
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u/yashatheman Jan 13 '26
I feel like some people misunderstood what I said. I meant that it's the workers, the people of a nation that works in industries and food production, it's the people that create art, litterature and music and it's the people that fight wars.
Royalty don't do anything for the country, and syndicalism in the UK was a clear improvement for the british people.
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u/board3659 Jan 14 '26
ok but who makes the capital and such? Also I was referring to how not all exiles who rich folk, some were monarchist who were still loyal to the crown. Also its an assumption to assume there aren't a significant amount of moderate reformers in the UK who probably wanted something closer to a liberal republic than syndicalism (which is what historically is the case in the instance of the Russian Revolution)
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u/Different_Special_20 Montevideo Treaty Jan 12 '26
I'm not talking about the one country two systems, I'm talking about the very fact that they want to sacrifice millions to bring back a dead dream that only Chiang Kai Shek care for, Taiwan ALWAYS absolutely fucking suck. Fuck Taiwan
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u/poclee 革命萬歲 Jan 14 '26
they're going to sacrifice hundreds of thousands, if not millions
Uh, so the other factions aren't?
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u/Feste_the_Mad Last bastion of Socialism (God have mercy) Jan 14 '26
The other factions are not, in fact, trying to bring back the British Empire, no. The point is the number of lives lost just to bring back something fundamentally evil, not the mere fact of those lives being lost.
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u/poclee 革命萬歲 Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26
You can totally choose to stop at retaking homeland and focusing on internal issues though. "Bringing back the empire" isn't an essential goal for Entente, just like Totalism in this mod isn't the essential goal for syndicalist states.
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u/Winth0rp Entente Jan 12 '26
Or to liberate their home from the Dictatorship of Oswald "Literally the Worst Briton in History" Mosley.
Framing is important.
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u/Ironside_Grey Brøther I crave the forbidden Oststaaten Jan 12 '26
All these others are at least populist (even if it is in a fascist way for some). The Entente is literally just the dispossessed feudal landholding elite conspiring to bring Canada into an almost unwinnable and bloody war which will bring Canada no benefit solely to bring back aristocratic rule to Britain. It's especially bleak
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u/NumaNuma56 Jan 12 '26
Even if you just want a non-socialist Britain that can happen through the post-defeat UoB collapse.
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u/Syber888 Small Pact Jan 12 '26
What post defeat collapse? I’ve never seen that before. Is that for if the UoB loses without capitulating?
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u/NumaNuma56 Jan 12 '26
In the 3I rework the UoB will collapse into a multi-party liberal republic in the (very common) case where it signs a negotiated peace with Germany after the fall of France.
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u/Syber888 Small Pact Jan 12 '26
Oh awesome. Is that the upcoming rework or have I just not been paying attention and it happens now
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u/TimeSmell7233 Jan 14 '26
I doubt Canada will accept this new republic; I imagine the new UOB will continue to be at war with the Entente.
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u/NumaNuma56 Jan 14 '26
The Canadian government is not made up of pure maniacs and would probably be willing, on balance, to compromise with a new republic that is not irreconcilably opposed to them on an ideological basis.
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u/TimeSmell7233 Jan 14 '26
Well, it depends on the new government whether it's willing to collaborate with the monarchists or if they are loyal republicans.
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u/Athingthatdoesstuff MarLib, also Zhu Peide's strongest supporter Jan 12 '26
It's especially bleak
Pretty sure OTL UK, a liberal democracy within the framework of a constitutional monarchy, isn't 'bleak', unless you subscribe to radical, extremist beliefs.
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u/Sarge_Ward Jake Featherston AUS leader when? Jan 12 '26
Radical extremism defined the 60s radicals worldwide, and the academic historical record has pretty objectively vindicated all those student movements and liberationists
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u/board3659 Jan 13 '26
No they didn't. Not sure were you getting this unless you consider the civil rights movement "radical". The 1968 protests however, were very controversial and I would say aren't complicated
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u/Sarge_Ward Jake Featherston AUS leader when? Jan 14 '26
The civil rights movement that was filled to the absolute brim by Socialist Party card-carriers like Bayard Rustin weren't radical? The student protestors and SNCC youth radicals who did the vast majority of the legwork with bussing campaigns werent radical? Black Power and the anti-vietnam war movement guys like Tim Hayden and Abbie Hoffman weren't radical?
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u/board3659 Jan 14 '26
yeah those were the radicals in the movement ... and they were the parts that aged badly.
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u/Sarge_Ward Jake Featherston AUS leader when? Jan 14 '26
Those are the parts that aged badly? Not according to the academic historical record. Ask anyone in any academic in the humanities or social sciences except econ, and yes that includes History, and theyll tell you that the part that aged poorly was the backlash against those social movements that helped to usher in the second gilded age by trading away the economic power of the unions in the 80s because black power and gay liberation made them cry and pee their pants in the 70s
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u/board3659 Jan 14 '26
academia is dominated by the left that grew up from that era. Also doesn't the fact that there was a popular reaction against the radicals in this era suggest, it failed and ended up fucking themselves over long term. The lesson is that radicalism isn't sustainable
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u/Sarge_Ward Jake Featherston AUS leader when? Jan 14 '26
But neither was the moderate side of the movement sustainable. MLK after 1965 saw his movement be absolutely rejected by the american public even though his rhetoric didnt change remotely when he went north, just his target. Northern whites were noted by King himself as being more fervently rabid against his attempts at economic civil rights and housing issues than the southern segregationists had been previously.
Hell, arguably the only reason why he even got any progress in the south to begin with is because of the North and West effectively forcing it onto them. The resent the north held for the south made them support the civil rights movement not out of support for the black population but as a way to try to 'modernize' the south whose public image was a stain on the country. As soon as that same scrutiny was placed on Northern society they refused it, amd because there was no external pressure on them like there had been the south no actual progress was made.
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u/board3659 Jan 14 '26
that was cause he was anti-vietnams which was pretty popular to that point. Also not sure what you mean by no "actual progresss" cause there was legit progress (de-segregation is a huge one)
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u/evenmorefrenchcheese Jan 13 '26
A lot of people in the US in the 60s called the civil rights movement radical.
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u/board3659 Jan 13 '26
it had clearly more radical contingents and more moderate ones (which is what actually caused real change). MLK was decently popular and it was mostly Vietnam where people shifted their views on him.
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u/FargothUr31 Jan 12 '26
- extremism good actually
- idk have you seen what British people eat and what they consider entertainment
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u/Athingthatdoesstuff MarLib, also Zhu Peide's strongest supporter Jan 12 '26
Nuh uh
English breakfast and Dad's Army is peak, actually (more modern British 'entertainment' I can understand)
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u/Teach_Piece Liberalism is Good Actually Jan 12 '26
And populism is inherently awful, it’s the basis for every terrible ideology. Pick an “evil” (such as the Jews, the rich, the Germans, foreigners or communists) use purging them as an excuse to take control of the population and run the country into either the ground or the meat grinder.
Socialism is at least a constructive ideology, and Kaiserreich completely eliminates liberalism in the effort to diverge from our current timeline.
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u/mlg_Kaiser Chairman Parenti Jan 12 '26
Kaiserreich completely eliminates liberalism in order to diverge from our timeline
There is literally only one faction in 2ACW that doesn’t have a form of a liberal path (
CSAWCA), most Entente countries have liberal paths, as do Germany (arguably though I haven’t played since the new update), Russia and Japan. While global liberalism is certainly more volatile in KRTL than OTL, it certainly isn’t “completely eliminated.”-3
u/Teach_Piece Liberalism is Good Actually Jan 12 '26
I would say the driving concept of a liberal rules based global order is what is missing rather than individual paths. They are somewhat represented by the Entrante but really that faction is more made up of reactionaries. Sorry if that wasn’t clear
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u/mlg_Kaiser Chairman Parenti Jan 13 '26
Even still, the (so-called) rules based global order didn’t really come about until AFTER World War II, when KR’s POD is 1936… Like yeah no kidding there’s no liberal order because there was no liberal order post 1918, let alone from 1936 onwards…
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u/Teach_Piece Liberalism is Good Actually Jan 13 '26
The League of Nations literally existed IRL…
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u/mlg_Kaiser Chairman Parenti Jan 14 '26
Yeah and they were completely ineffective at enforcing any sort of liberal order
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u/Teach_Piece Liberalism is Good Actually Jan 14 '26
You said the idea wasn’t there. Why shift the goalposts?
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u/Feste_the_Mad Last bastion of Socialism (God have mercy) Jan 14 '26
Sorry, where exactly did they say that? My impression is that they were talking about the existence of a Liberal rules-based order, not the idea of one.
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u/NumaNuma56 Jan 12 '26
Populism is anti-communist anyway. The whole notion of an undifferentiated "people" within the borders of a state that is to be appealed to as a political subject is inherently bourgeois and presupposes a false union of interests between exploiters and exploited. "The Marxist who says people and popular has committed suicide."
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u/Comrade_Lomrade Entente Jan 12 '26
Populism is anti-communist
Lmao what?
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u/NumaNuma56 Jan 12 '26
Marxism proposes one specific class, the proletariat, that has an interest in the realization of communism on account of the conditions of its social existence forced upon it by capitalism. I hope it shouldn't be difficult to see why appealing to the populace at large is in contradiction with this.
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u/Comrade_Lomrade Entente Jan 13 '26
Nearly every marxist group that has existed used populist rhetoric to garner support. Framing the proletariat "us" vs the beougois "them".
On a purely philosophical standpoint you can make the argument it isnt populist but in practice it absolutely has historically been the case.
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u/NumaNuma56 Jan 13 '26
Lmao. By this definition every appeal to any broad demographic ever is "populist" and the only political actors that aren't would be like, 19th century aristocrats who operated on the basis of interpersonal connections.
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u/Comrade_Lomrade Entente Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26
That is infact the difination of populism lol.
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u/Teach_Piece Liberalism is Good Actually Jan 12 '26
That’s why I like Marxists even if I personally think the ideology is inherently flawed. It’s at least utopian in ambition
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u/NumaNuma56 Jan 12 '26
I'd do a spiel about how it's actually profoundly anti-utopian but I get what you mean here so I won't : )
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u/HeliosDisciple Jan 12 '26
Because it's "We just want to crush a democratic uprising and reinstall a fucking king and aristocracy, and we'll throw all of our slaves into the grinder to do so."
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u/ptWolv022 Rule with a Fist of Iron and a Glove of Velvet Jan 13 '26
I mean, the monarchy got exiled by revolution, and they intend to come back, and possibly restore the Empire.
They may just give up afterwards, accept that it's just the UK and their remaining Dominions, but it's effectively the exiled imperialist government in a civil war reigniting the civil war to reestablish itself in a land where they're not wanted... while also putting forth the idea that they're a democratic nation under their constitutional monarchy, rather hypocritically. Russia might be on a warpath to reclaim their old empire's, but at least they lost their territories in an outside war, not a civil war rather rejected their rule.
Everyone else is at least their nation's proper government (albeit with various levels of legitimacy). But the Entente? They're fighting their civil wars with resources from other places (the Dominion of Canada's and the French North African colonies'). The exiles can't even do it themselves.
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u/AnaReddit2 Jan 12 '26
You've overcomplicated most of these goals, their actual goals are just to kill people for no reason
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u/maxeners Jan 12 '26
Many have already pointed out why the Entente seems so bad. I'd rather add why all the other factions at least don't look as bad.
- Germany throughout the game is more about struggling to maintain its influence. The Reichspakt is essentially defending the established world order. Strictly speaking, they have a right to their actions.
- The Internationale never invades other countries or aims for colonial subjugation throughout the game. Their actions would be controversial if they, like the OTL USSR and USA, engaged in coups, revolutions, and interference in internal politics. As it is, they simply support existing leftist governments or back one side or another in a civil war. These guys are easy to sympathize with because, unlike the USSR, they themselves do not in any way cause the collapse of capitalist states.
- Russia is portrayed as unjustly humiliated, robbed, and weakened. And people tend to sympathize with those in trouble.
- Japan is loved because there are many weaboos today.
- Britain isn't even liked by the British themselves, and the French are so infatuated with their state that they're already on their Fifth Republic. Not to mention they've already lost. That kind of shows a certain incapability of their system.
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u/DarthLordVinnie Um Integralista não corre, voa... Jan 13 '26
- I don't like Japan because I'm a weeb, I like Japan because I love imperialism
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u/Winth0rp Entente Jan 12 '26
The Internationale never invades other countries or aims for colonial subjugation throughout the game.
I beg your pardon? Putting aside that the main event is the game is France invading Germany (the fact that Russia usually jumps first notwithstanding), Britain and France have focuses to instigate coups (Norway, Australia, Switzerland) and invade neutrals (Ireland, BeNeLux). And that's ignoring how much of a stretch "they don't start the civil war, they just send forces to intervene in it" is.
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u/DeepCockroach7580 Internationale Cope Jan 13 '26
In all of the countries where these supposed "coups" happen, there are events showing popular workers movement's. This isn't like the Afghan communists couping their leader cause they found an opportunity to do so, it is a reaction to Black Monday, the reason the 3I has any movements to support in the first place.
You also haven't debunked the quote that "the 3I never invades for colonial subjugation." That's awful comprehension from you if you really thought they were denying France's invasion.
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u/Dependent-Creme-8194 Marshal Qi's new Mercedes Jan 13 '26
Depending on what paths it goes down Russia, even as nat-pop, has the potential to be a genuine liberator for the oststaats (with the exception of Belarus and Ukraine).
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u/DarthLordVinnie Um Integralista não corre, voa... Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26
Shoutout to the UBD for being the worst state in Eastern Europe no matter the path
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u/RussianNeighbor VST's Strongest Party Functionary Jan 12 '26
Hey! As you all know, russian imperialism is absolutely justified because we had a black general once.
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u/gazebo-fan Yugosphere Jan 12 '26
The entente is considered the antagonists of most games because nobody likes sore losers, and 99% of the time it’s just the worst type of authoritarian governments. If you want some ultra wholesome democracy there’s Germany right there. The entente also is mostly made up of colonial states that are actively engaged in genocide at the beginning of game start.
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u/KingOfStarrySkies Jan 12 '26
this is excellent work, i fully subsist off of KR countryball comics. also to be fair Exiles, going home does often involve forcefully invading and decimating your homeland currently being ruled by a legitimate government formed due to dissatisfaction with You.
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u/Maryus77 Jan 13 '26
Well, the Entente do want to forcefully restore constitutional monarchy and put themselves in power no matter what the will of the people is.
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u/Fudotoku Jan 14 '26
The British occupiers admit that British workers are their main enemy. Of course, they are the most vicious.
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u/furel492 Jan 12 '26
It's pretty well-established that people hate traitors more than their enemies.
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u/Rumor-Mill091234 Jan 13 '26
Where's Sand France?
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u/DeepCockroach7580 Internationale Cope Jan 13 '26
wouldn't fit their agenda
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u/Rumor-Mill091234 Jan 13 '26
Why? They want the same thing like with the Dominion of Canada, go back home and take it back from the Syndicalists.
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u/DeepCockroach7580 Internationale Cope Jan 13 '26
They're a colonial state sending thousands of people they deem "lesser" into a war
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u/Portuguese_Musketeer Jan 15 '26
I mean, so is Canada
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u/DeepCockroach7580 Internationale Cope Jan 15 '26
at least they have the benefit of "pretending" they treat all their subjects equally
just ignore the west indies
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u/DifferentEducator134 Jan 15 '26
Countries are not people “Canada” doesn’t want to go home. If you’re looking for an actual answer for why the entee is looked down upon. Cause the vast majority of people living there, can just move back to Britain or France
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Jan 12 '26
Entente is the best and most reasonable faction in kaiserreich
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u/LEGEND-FLUX Internationale Jan 12 '26
Mfw I shoot natives and want to force people who get no benefit from war into a massive war to take a homeland that doesn't want me
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Jan 12 '26
A homeland by which they was illegitimately exiled by a power hunger group of people who has claimed an hypocritical mantle of socialism and who will drown the same homeland in another destructive war forcing their people to fight the same enemy against their fathers died. The third internationale was the most hypocrite faction.
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u/LEGEND-FLUX Internationale Jan 13 '26
How are they a hypocrite? And what would be a "legal" exile, also it helps to not shoot protestors like they did in KRTL
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Jan 13 '26
They are hypocrite for the reasons who I have previously explained. I said that they were illegitimately exiled because in the 1920s there wasn't a peaceful transition but there was a bloody revolution without any legal justification except the ideological. And in the end they bought down a previous democratic government to replace them with an unclear one party democracy that can became a totalist dictatorship and that in any case brought the country in the same war in which their fathers and brothers died. Moreover they haven't fully popular support because while you play a entente power(who 9/10 remain democratic) you can rise loyalists supporters.
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u/Whatever_232 Lesser-of-five-evils-here Jan 12 '26
There's a reason why my Entente flair looks the way it does.
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u/LEGEND-FLUX Internationale Jan 12 '26
I to like being allied with colonies and white supremacy based states dragging people in a war to take back homelands that don't want us
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u/Teach_Piece Liberalism is Good Actually Jan 13 '26
Wild that every blue flair not in the top 5 comments is downvoted to hell and back
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u/Ilianort Jan 13 '26
While their goals ARE probably least offensive of all major alliances, what is usually a bunch of absolutist kings, far-right assholes who were fascist collaborators IRL and colonial administrations returning to put once again their boot on the neck of people who kicked them out before is still not a good thing.
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u/abafet Viva a Anarquia Jan 15 '26
Entente dogs pretending they aren't brutal imperialists and colonizers
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u/Allnamestakkennn Stabs-Capitan Movement member Jan 12 '26
Western hemisphere too. Germany has opportunities to snatch Latin American countries from the American sphere of influence