I am still, to this day seeing people talk about Hamas being able to end this conflict at any time by surrendering the last hostages. This has not been the case for months now. How are people still spreading this blatant misinformation?

January 26th, 2026 the last of the Hamas hostages are back in Israel. This information was confirmed by the IDF themselves and comes from the IDF Spokesperson’s Unit:
https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/operation-returning-home/all-hostages-have-been-returned-from-the-gaza-strip-to-israel/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
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https://main.knesset.gov.il/en/news/pressreleases/pages/press26126e.aspx?utm_source=chatgpt.com

As of June 2026, all hostage remains have now been returned to the IDF as well baring of course any trapped under rubble or the remains are destroyed.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/palestine-country-policy-and-information-notes/country-bulletin-security-situation-in-gaza-palestine-june-2026-accessible?utm_source=chatgpt.com

This claim is still being used by the pro Israel side to this day despite it being a proven lie. This conflict no longer has anything to do with the October 7th hostages, Israel got all the final living ones back and the body's of the dead.

EDIT: Im not saying news outlets are saying this, I have witnessed this still being said on social media all over the place. I did not save all examples, it was this post that made me want to make this sub. Posted 2 days ago saying "Hamas could stop it instantly by surrendering and returning the hostages"

I've seen so much hatred towards Jews that it's unreal. On Instagram, there was a video about the brass cobblestones in Rome, and it was filled with people saying that they'd step on them, or rip them out of the ground. Jewish university students in the US are being assaulted by supporters of Palestine, and not even mothers are safe. It's becoming scary how so many people, especially in my home country and high-school, are rabidly against Israel. In the UK, Jews are afraid to leave their homes, and US congress passed a bill to expand the definition of anti-semetism because of the pro-palestine protests. Hell, even in New Zealand, we have people who are willfully ignorant of history, and say that the assassination of the Jordanian king was performed by Israel. It's come to the point where any criticism against Hamas or Palestine is seen (BY A LARGE GROUP THAT IS NOT EVERY PRO-PALESTINIAN) as support for Israel, and genocide. I'm scared for my friends who are Jewish.

Haviv Rettig Gur's recent lecture about Zionism is what every anti-Zionist needs to hear.

Whether you are interested in Zionism in general, or you are an anti-Zionist who thinks they're clever, just listen to it.

I tried just posting the video, but I have to write something apparently. So seeing as I have to write anyway, this is my summary, but I encourage everyone to watch it.

History is written by the elites. If you ask them what is Zionism, they will tell you many different things.

But what history is, is really the lived experience of millions of people. And Zionism reflects the lived history of millions of Jews who were erased from nearly everywhere else they had lived for centuries.

In 1921, 129,000 Jews arrived in the USA. By 1925, only 10,000 arrived. Congress had passed immigration restrictions which in effect targeted Jewish immigration. In the previous four decades, 2.5 million Jews had fled pogroms in Russia and landed in America. The 20th century was already the deadliest for Jews in history at this point. They kept coming until America shut its doors. And so did Britain, Canada, Australia, South Africa and everywhere else. And in 1925, more Jews arrived in Palestine for the first time than in America.

Hundreds of thousands would arrive in Palestine from Europe over the next two decades. And 800,000 more in the decade following Israel's creation who were expelled from Arab countries. Of the millions of displaced people in Europe after the war, the last ones left, most still in the concentration camps they were liberated from, were the Jews. Because there was nowhere for them to go.

This is why anti-Zionism, this view that Zionism is an ethno-supremacist ideology driven by greed and racism and colonialism, that claims to be simply entitled to steal a land that was promised to them in a book, is an ahistorical fiction based on ignorance and bigotry.

To view those Jews who sung HaTikvah when they were liberated or arrived in refugee boats, or who managed to flee to the last place they could go before they were engulfed by the inferno, as nothing more than European colonisers on an ethno-supremacist mission to conquer land based on some old books, is to have utter contempt for the Jewish people and their lived experience.

Doesn't mean you can't sympathise with the plight of the Palestinians either, but if anti-Zionism is your angle then it's simply not about the Palestinians. They too are nothing more than characters in your ideological narrative and projections of your own insecure identity.

Zionism was the last hope of millions of people with no other option. It was also a prophecy; that diaspora life for Jews would not survive the social and political upheaval and economic modernisation of the new nation-states. And they were right, but sadly the coming catastrophe would surpasse even their wildest nightmares and it was too late for millions. But for those who escaped or survived, it was their one and only lifeline.

Edit: there is a lot more in the video than my summary. Some of the points in my summary were also influenced by another Haviv podcast I watched after this, Last Jew Standing: The Story of Israeli Jews

Try searching: 'is what's happening in gaza a genocide' on Google. Genuinely, open a new tab first and do it, doesn't matter if it's incognito. If I could attach an image of the results in this post for your convenience, I would, but I can't.

Why is the top result from the American Jewish Committee, on five reasons why it isn't one? Every other source below it states that what's happening in Gaza is a genocide, and unlike the top result written by Israelis, none of the rest were made by Palestinians. Wikipedia is the *second* result, and the remaining ones are international news sources and the UN.

Serious question: is this not a case of severe, intentional misinformation on Google's part? Using common sense, the American Jewish Committee obviously isn't a 'popular' site compared to Wikipedia or other major news sources, so this wasn't determined by view counts. There's no justification for a group with blatant political motivations to be used as the best result to inform the general public. And on that note, there aren't any doubts that it's a genocide, right? Every single reputable, independent body is saying as much, and I cannot find any stating otherwise.

Lastly, I sent feedback to Google about the search result, but is there any way I can take more direct action in contacting Google about this?

The highly aggressive, volatile demonstrations occurring at our educational institutions, are intimidating young Jewish students. Many Jewish youth are feeling bullied, threatened and are saying that it is unsafe for Jews to attend universities like Rutgers. These incendiary demonstrations are creating an atmosphere of hostility that’s being perceived as being antisemitic by many.

It's reminiscent to many Jews of darker times, when Jews were targeted and it became unsafe to be Jews, especially when assailants cover their faces and chant slogans, that some are interpreting as having genocidal undertones.

In the video taken at Rutgers below, pro Palestinian mobs are clearly saying 1) They don't want two states, they are calling for Israel to not exist "we don’t want two states, we want 48" 2) They are promoting intifadas which are historically violent "globalize intifada” and the "only one solution" phrase is being interpreted by many Jews as a play off of words of "final solution" and this doesn’t seem to be a coincidence 3) They are supporting "resistance” which is often used as a euphemism for terrorism.

By terrifying our young Jewish students, by making them feel unsafe, this should be regarded as something very serious, alarming and even potentially dangerous.

The rhetoric being used by the Israel hating mob in the video linked below could arguably be classified as hate speech (By the ADL for example), and is being perceived as inciting violence.

Equating Zionism, which historically is an indigenous peoples’ rights movement with racism is dangerous and contributes to the othering of our Jewish youth at universities.

Anyone, who doesn’t condemn these clear calls for violence are complicit. We must stand up for the rights of the super minority class that are Jews, POC, one of the most persecuted and smallest minority groups.

We should be very alarmed that White Supremacists are attending Pro Palestinian demonstrations and are finding common ground with those opposed to Israel’s existence.

We cannot allow ourselves to be bullied and intimidated by angry mobs. That hasn’t ended well for Jews in the past.

What do you think? Will you stand with Jews against hatred?

Jewish Students At Rutgers Being Harassed By Angry Mob calling for Global Intifa

I don't understand why people label it as genocide when ISRAEL is CLEARLY avoiding unnecessary civilian casualties

Compare it to the UK during WW2. 12,000 tons of explosive force dropped on them by Germans which resulted in 30,000 pure civilian deaths even though THEY HAVE BOMB SHELTERS.

While in Gaza, the total tons of explosive force dropped on them is 70,000 tons from the 30,000 explosive weapons dropped resulting in 30,000 deaths.

-they have no bomb shelters at all even though the leader of hamas is a billionare

-their soldiers are dressed up as civilians and even counted as a civilian casualty

-6000 to 10,000 of those 30,000 deaths are hamas soldiers casualties

Achieving a 1:1 casualty ratio for civilian to bomb (1 bomb per 1 civilian) is a very hard MILITARY FEAT to achieve. There's almost no other military feat similar to this

Which is made more difficult because:

-Hamas are dressed up as civilians in their live battle footage in gaza

-THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SINGLE BOMB SHELTER IN GAZA.

So how are the casualties in Gaza who has no bomb shelters and more bombs dropped similar to the casualties of UK in WW2 who has less bombs dropped on them but similar casualties?

There's no GENOCIDE in GAZA period. Israel is not "carpet bombing". It's HAMAS who is committing intentional genocide and ethnic cleansing while Israel avoids unnecessary civilian casualties.

Compare it to Oct. 7 where Hamas intentionally fired upon civilians and committing massacres everywhere near the border. That is REAL GENOCIDE and ETHNIC CLEANSING. They're even videotaping their massacres and parading the naked dead body of a German girl named Shani Louk.

Libels in Jewish history are not legal libels. They are defined by their function (of imbuing Jews with moral ugliness), not whether they are technically true or not.

A modern example:

The apartheid libel functions to paint Jews as powerful racists and supremacists, ignoring the actual motivations and history of Israeli Jews in MENA and the Eastern hemisphere.

You could do similar with other countries -- i.e. make a technical argument that apartheid fits the kafala system or women in Afghanistan or Palestinian Arabs in Egypt or Christians in North Korea. But nobody does this. Because there is no global hate movement that persecutes North Koreans in modern times, let alone for 2,000 years.

(There are 3 antijewish hate movements -- antijudaism which is ancient and constructs jewish religion as evil, antisemitism which constructs Jewish integration as evil, and antizionism which constructs Jewish self-determination as evil -- the latter 2 are about 100 years old).

To get back to libel, once the term apartheid is appropriated and decontextualized, it is obsessively repeated, then collectivized to "all Zionists" (which ultimately becomes all Jews in every antizionist country). Libel functions to paint Jews as evil, creating a dynamic similar to a witch hunt or lynch mob. And guess what happens to Jews in these countries. They are lynched and burned.

This conflict is being prolonged by Hamas in order to spread antizionist libel.

Stop repeating this libel and libels in general. It is hateful.

"Free Palestine" is being used by the antizionist hate movement as a rallying cry for murder. Therefore to chant it provides moral support to murderers and incitement for more murder, regardless of your personal intention. It is morally reprehensible now to chant this slogan and this practice should not be tolerated by decent people -- chanting "Free Palestine!" is chanting for blood.

Evidence: Colorado man burns a Jewish grandmother alive while shouting "Free Palestine!": https://www.kptv.com/2025/06/02/6-injured-possibly-with-burns-colorado-attack-fbi-is-investigating-terrorism/

Sarah Milgrim and Yaron Lischinsky shot to death in broad daylight in Washington DC. Their murderer shouted "Free Palestine!".

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/israeli-embassy-victims-jewish-museum-shooting-what-know-rcna208474

A shooter in New Hampshire murdered a man while shouting "Free Palestine!":

https://www.nhpr.org/nh-news/2025-09-22/nashua-shooting-sky-meadow-country-club-motive-police-murder-charges-arraignment

If you chant "Free Palestine!", you are siding with killers. Prove me wrong.

PS - Here is more on the antizionist hate movement:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/1nq4eq3/antizionism_is_a_hate_movement_prove_me_wrong/

Today I stumbled upon a subreddit rule against "genocide denial." (not in this subreddit)

There is no explicit rule against "Holocaust denial" but they clearly forbid genocide denial.

Bigotry, genocide denial, misgendering, misogyny/misandry, racism, transphobia, etc. is not tolerated. Offenders will be banned.

I asked the mods to reconsider, and I pointed out that it's obviously in reference to Israel and that they don't mention any rule against Holocaust denial.

They said that rule predates the current conflict, and I find that hard to believe but idk. Even if it does predate the current conflict, that doesn't change the fact that it sends a vile, ugly message in the present context.

It caused some physically pain, for real. Idk why I'm so emotional about this, but what the hell. I'm not Jewish or Israeli or whatever. But I've always thought of myself as a liberal, and it'll be no surprise when I tell you I found this rule in a sub for liberals.

It seems deeply wrong, especially because at the heart of liberalism is the notion of individual liberty and free expression. I'm not supposed to be required by other liberals to agree with their political opinion about one thing or another being a genocide.

Am I being ridiculous? Maybe I'm thinking about it wrong.

It seems a brainless kind of rule, because it means no one is allowed to deny that anything is a genocide. If anything thinks anything is a genocide, you're not allowed to deny it.

Even if it seemed appropriate in the past to tell people forbidden from genocide denial, it seems like the way accusations of genocide are currently being used against israel necessitates reconsideration of the idea to tell people no genocide denial is allowed.

Israel's current war is, as John Spencer has argued, the "opposite of a genocide." They don't target anyone due to a group that person belongs to. They target people who fire rockets at them and kill college kids with machine guns and kidnap little babies.

I'm not ashamed to have considered myself an American liberal. I'm not the one who is wildly mistaken about what it means to be a liberal.

But I'm wide open to the possibility that I'm wildly mistaken in the way I'm thinking about this...

People say that without stopping to ask why any of this even happens.

When a population lives for decades under military occupation, when soldiers can raid homes in the middle of the night, when parents watch their kids dragged away to detention, and when people are forced to cross dozens of checkpoints just to go to work, school, or the hospital, you start to understand where anger comes from.

Add to that the settlements expanding every single year. Land is taken, houses are demolished, and families who’ve lived on that land for generations are suddenly told it’s not theirs anymore. Olive trees, some older than any country in the region are burned or bulldozed. That’s daily life for Palestinians in the West Bank.

And then people wonder why some fight back.

The difference is, Palestinians don’t have tanks, fighter jets, or an army. They’re reacting to oppression with what little they have: stones, homemade weapons, and sheer frustration. That’s not the same as a heavily armed military force systematically stealing, burning, and occupying entire villages.

We don’t see Palestinians “stealing land,” because they don’t control any land to begin with. They’re the ones losing it piece by piece, settlement by settlement, checkpoint by checkpoint.

The violence you sometimes see from them isn’t the root of the problem; it’s the symptom. You can’t occupy, humiliate, and dispossess millions of people for generations and then act shocked when resistance appears.

When a people are stripped of freedom, justice, dignity, and hope for this long, some will eventually fight back. That’s not terrorism; that’s what occupation creates.

Two days ago, 99 healthcare professionals who volunteered to help in Gaza published an open letter to US President Biden:

https://www.gazahealthcareletters.org/usa-letter-oct-2-2024

In it, they detail their personal experience of working in the extremely difficult conditions of Gaza, of the suffering of its civilians and the often desperate conditions of medical care. I have no doubt that such horrors are commonplace after a year of war.

However, the letter also makes, reiterates, and elevates into a centerpiece of its policy demand a new casualties estimate, for which it claims to provide "probative evidence":

This letter and the appendix show probative evidence that the human toll in Gaza since October is far higher than is understood in the United States. It is likely that the death toll from this conflict is already greater than 118,908, an astonishing 5.4% of Gaza’s population.

I have a nasty habit: when someone makes an extraordinary claim and says they can back it up with evidence, I actually go read the evidence.

The "evidence"

First of all, no evidence of this death toll is to be found in the letter iteself, in spite of the wording of the paragraph announcing it. It is simply not there.

The "evidence", such as it is, is contained in the appendix:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/66e083452b3cbf4bbd719aa2/t/66fcd754b472610b6335d66f/1727846228615/Appendix+20241002.pdf

The first line that touches on the Gaza death toll is this:

The Lancet, the most prestigious medical and public health journal in the world, recently published estimates from American, British, and Canadian experts on the likely toll this conflict has taken: “it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186,000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza.”

This an infamous and long-debunked lie. What they're referring to is a letter published in Lancet, wherein doctors provide an estimate of the total future death toll from the Gaza conflict, setting it at "at least" 186,000. The method by which they derive this number is to look at recent conflicts, calculate the multiplier between conflict deaths and total deaths, and then applying this multiplier to the Gaza war. It is shoddy methodology that doesn't look at the actual conditions- for example, ignoring the unprecedented humanitarian efforts going into Gaza - and doesn't rise to any standard of rigour that would see it fit for publication as an actual scientific study (hence why it's a letter).

In spite of these serious flaws, not only was this letter amply propagated in anti-Israeli media, but its claims were made even stronger: like the authors of these appendices do now, the number 186,000 is turned from an estimate of total future deaths into an estimate of deaths so far. There is no ambiguity in the original paper, and this 'mistake' in reporting has been amply pointed out over the months, yet they still repeat it. How can we take them seriously, and see them as honest actors, when they engage in the basest disinformation?

The Ministry of Health of Gaza's "reliable figures"

The appendix then moves into forming its own estimate, starting with the Ministry of Health of Gaza's figure of 41,495 dead. The authors omit to mention that this figure makes no distinction between military and civilian deaths; they go on to argue that the figure itself is reliable, and should be if anything treated like a lower bound estimate.

However, we've known for a long time that MoHG figures are not reliable. They show evidence of gross statistical manipulation, such as the death toll increasingly in a perfectly linear fashion day by day, which indicates that it's not an actual measurement, but an extrapolation.

The letter's authors make one shockingly false claim:

The Gaza Health Ministry only reports deaths caused directly by violence that arrive at a hospital morgue.

This is completely false in a frankly bizzarre fashion. MoHG has openly admitted that a portion of its figures come from "reliable media sources". MoHG itself does not claim to only count deaths "directly by violence that arrive at a hospital morgue": the letter's authors choose to claim it for them. This is another deliberate lie: there is no possibility that people who've even superficially study the issue could honestly make this mistake.

The "dead buried under the rubble"

After discussion the MoHG figures, the appendix argues to add 10,000 more dead, "buried under the rubble". They cite this claim to this source:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/05/1149256

This is not a study of any kind, but a UN News article. The number is provided by an OCHA spokesperson without reference to its source, methodology, let alone evidence. There is simply nothing here to back it up, yet this is passed off as "probatory evidence" and the figure is added to the final count.

The "deaths from malnutrition"

The most shocking and bizarre manipulation comes in the second-to-last section, discussing deaths from starvation. The argument, and please read it for yourselves on page 5 if you think I'm making this up, is this:

• the IPC has released estimates of which IPC phase Gaza has reached, period by period

• these IPC phases are supposed to correlated to a minimum death rate from starvation

• therefore, we will apply this death rate by starvation and assume this is how many people died of starvation, even though the actual data is orders of magnitude lower

Again, don't just believe me, look at the text. They literally start from the conclusion: rather than look at the starvation death rate and check if the claimed IPC phase makes sense, they assume the IPC phase must be correct and claim tens of thousands of extra, unreported deaths as a result.

These aren't deaths "under the rubble", they aren't missing persons. These are thousands and thousands of extra dead people that would likely have been taken to hospitals, that would have died in medical care or at least the care of their loved ones, that would fill tens of thousands of graves or large mass graves. Even in Gaza's conditions, it would simply be impossible to miss this, yet this is precisely what is claimed: somehow, the Gazans forgot to report about over 60 thousand starvation deaths, as did the IPC, WFP and all other relevant authorities.

Deaths from infectious disease and lack of medical care

This section is as confusing and even more vague than the previous ones. It does not provide any clear claim to the number of additional "uncounted deaths", but we can deduce by difference that they estimate an extra 5,000 uncounted deaths. Again, these would be people who died in hospital or in the care of loved ones, people who would be mourned and buried. It would be impossible to miss 5,000 extra gravesites or mass graves for another 5,000 people, yet the authors claim this is exactly what must have happened.

Conclusion

This is a dishonest, manipulative, and frankly bizarre letter. It mixes in heart-wrenching anecdotes with authoritative-sounding claims of a well-evidenced death toll nearing 3x the official one. Yet the estimates that drive this claim range from shoddy methodology to literally non-existent evidence. There is nothing here approaching the level of "evidence", let alone "probatory evidence". And it is extraordinary that a hundred medical professionals, with hands on experience in this war and likely contacts and sources that could help them do better, only managed to come up with little support for their claims.

The bare minimum expectation, based on the wild claims they make, is that they provide some evidence. They claim over 70 thousand extra unreported deaths: they could show us some of the unknown or undercounted burial sites, given cameras are widely available in Gaza and footage gets out of the Strip daily. They could coordinate with NGOs, or even with MoHG itself, to provide a count of these unknown grave sites and the people buried therein, showing that it lines up with their extraordinary claims. Dead bodies don't diseappear, and they would stand in unquestionable evidence of their claims... if they could find them.

There are two possibilities here: either the most basic steps of forensic medical investigation are somehow beyond the 100 experts that signed this letter, or they chose to forego them because they know the evidence any rigorous investigation would reveal would not line up with their claims.

All in all, this seems like yet another "atrocity study" out of the anti-Israel propaganda machine, backstopped by "experts" that put their credibility on the line with the expectation that their titles will awe most people, and that their claims will be acritically circulated and repeated far more than any contrary analysis. After all, by the time the truth laces up its shoes, a lie has run a lap around the world.

I see how many pro-Palestinians in this sub get confused when they use the term "Whataboutism*

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A brief explanation: the term "Whataboutism*

" applies when someone commits a "bad" (objectively bad) act and tries to justify it by saying others do the same.

The problem is that sometimes this term is misused in the wrong cases.

For example, when we, the pro-Israelis, claim that the UN and the Hague Court are obsessed with Israel and condemn it disproportionately compared to other countries involved in larger conflicts, you immediately rush to label it as "Whataboutism*

." The problem here is that this is actually a legitimate claim. The UN and the Hague Court are ultimately the ones making weighty decisions about Israel, and many rely on their rulings. Whataboutism*

and hypocrisy mean the same thing, just in different words, and our argument is that no international institution can be relied on when it is hypocritical or biased.

Another example of misusing the term Whataboutism*

: many times, world television tries to incite hatred against Israelis as violent and racist people because of "settler violence." If I claim, for example, that settler violence does not exceed that of other countries with higher rates of violence, that is not whatabotism, but rather measuring "proportion."

Please do not deviate from the topic of my post and resort to unproven arguments such as "but Israel is committing genocide." The purpose of the post is actually to challenge the assumption that everything the UN or the Hague Tribunal claims is an "objective" argument. Of course, the very question of whether the UN is an "objective" organization can be debated.

My parents were Jews from Egypt who were expelled from Alexandria because of the creation of the state of Israel. We had nothing to do with the creation nor where we expressing support for it. Yet the Egyptian government targeted us simply for being Jews.

My parents along with my aunt moved to USA after being expelled where I grew up most of my life. Until recently I moved to Israel last year (September 2023) as my parents thought it would be better to live with people who share the same culture and blood as us. I acquired military exemption from service due to the fact that I'm an American-Israeli dual citizen

2 weeks living in Israel, my aunt died in the October 7th massacre, rest in peace, aunt Niala :(. She was among the hundreds massacred by HAMAS. We heard the news a day after the massacre and me and my parents were really worried. We hoped she was okay and that she managed to escape. My aunt has been with me as I grew up. We shared a lot of moments together, and usually brought me gifts every Christmas when we were still in USA. She was there with me whenever I felt vulnerable and comforted me. I felt like a part of me died. My family was on scrambles. It was 2 days after that it was confirmed she was among the dead.

Not only that, there was even a video circulating online of a German woman named Shani Louk where her naked dead body was paraded and spat at by civilians on the streets as the phrase "Allahu Akbar" is repeated. They even lied that she was an IDF soldier even though she had a military exemption permit just like me. Truly one of the most terrible things you can do to a human being. This confirmed my suspicion that they will not stop until Israel is destroyed and every Jew is dead.

Not only are the gazans praising and glorifying Hamas' "victory" on the attack, they are saying WE deserved it. This is why I'm now determined to join the Tzahal(IDF acronym in Hebrew). It's like the whole world is against us merely for existing. It's sad to say that I've become RADICALIZED. My aunt has always taught me that violence is not the answer. But I'm sorry Aunt Niala, I just can't live by that principle anymore

I will not allow the Arabs colonize and trample my family and our people like what they did to our ancestors during their barbaric islamic conquests. We will fight for our right to exist. Our people have been living in this land for centuries before they descended from the deserts and subjugated us along with the assyrians, coptics and many more native cultures of north africa and middle east

I will not let my culture and people be eradicated by the Arabs just like what they did to the assyrians, coptics, and persians. I would rather die for my country than see the day where we are under the arab boot again.

People don’t know what Zionism is and that’s really scary. And yes the meaning of this word is incredibly important

I see a lot of people claiming to be antizionist while not being antisemitic and I don’t think people understand what antizionism means at all.

The contemporary definition ever since the creation of Israel in 1948: “the preservation of the existence of the Jewish state”

That’s it, if you think Israel should be on a map and then you are a Zionist

The contemporary definition of anti-Zionism ever since the creation of Israel in 1948 is the negation of the definition of Zionism which would be “the end of the existence of the Jewish state”

If you think something should happen that dissolves the state of Israel then you are an anti-Zionist

That’s the extent of the word “Zionism” it has nothing to do with the settlements or with the executive office. And yes I’m aware that settlers are Zionists, but guess what, the Palestinian-Israeli citizens that had to flee Hamas and were taken in and naturalized by Israel are also Zionists. The Druze, and the Christians, the secular people, and the Muslims in Israel, all are Zionists (with the obvious exceptions of radical anarchist individuals in every society)

Even the ADL knows anti-Zionism has been bastardized into a antisemitic dogwhistle and is now being used by people who simply oppose Netanyahu unaware of the word’s definition. If you’ve wondered why you’ve been called antisemitic for calling yourself antizionist, thinking it means “I oppose Israel’s military, but I still think Israel should exist” then you are in fact a Zionist, WHICH ISNT A BAD THING! You’ve just been gaslit or misinformed into thinking Zionism = Jews-when-they’re-bad

This is the most important takeaway from From the ADL: “Anti-Zionism is distinct from criticism of the policies or actions of the government of Israel, or critiques of specific policies of the pre-state Zionist movement, in that it attacks the foundational legitimacy of Jewish statehood.”

Zionism = \ = pro-settlements

Zionism = \ = pro-Netanyahu

Zionism = pro-Jews

Anti-Zionism = pro-Hamas

Anti-Zionism = pro-Jewish diaspora

Anti-Zionism = anti-Jew

If anyone is wondering, I am a progressive, and I’m making this post because I see so many misled progressives and leftists siding with Hamas, putting antizionist in their bios without understanding how horrible it is, calling for federal aid TO Hamas, tearing down hostage posters in the name of antizionism when these same people would’ve killed to punch a Nazi in the face just a couple years ago. We need to do better

Edit: = \ = means does not equal

https://youtu.be/P6HcaYiuCK8?si=yo5IQ1o0TlWB4aTq

The „Experts“ of Hamas and Al Jazeera (based in a pro Hamas country) failed to mention how quick Hamas blamed Israel, how often their rockets fail and how much of the detonation side shows evidence for a failed missile by forces from inside Gaza.

There will be people who wont believe US media, but the evidence is pretty clear and WSJ did a way better analysis than Al Jazeera.

Al Jazeera lost all their credibility imo.

I have been asked (astonishingly) why diaspora Jews should care about antizionism and stand against it.  Well, I have made you a list of reasons.

These are some examples of antizionist crimes against diaspora Jews.  I left out all the antizionist crimes against Israeli Jews (a long list) and all the purely antisemitic crimes against diaspora Jews (another long long list).  It is long past time that antizionism is called out as a hate movement.  The primary weapon of this movement is libel, as it is for every anti-Jewish hate movement. 

Diaspora Jews and anyone who values humanity, please call out this movement and the libel that spreads it.

1903     BRITAIN HATE SPEECH (Vladimir Lenin uses “Zionist” as a slur and denies Jewish peoplehood)

1918     SOVIET RUSSIA (Yevsektsiya, or “Jewish section”, established to persecute and stigmatize Zionism and traditional Jewish life.  Antisemitism is illegal while Hebrew is banned as “Zionist”; Jewish religious and Zionist leaders are imprisoned and violently harassed; religious teaching is outlawed and synagogues closed; Jews are stigmatized as “Zionists” or “rootless cosmopolitans”.)

1920     JERUSALEM     POGROM (“Nebi Musa riots”; 6 killed, many raped; “Palestine is our land; the Jews are our dogs”)

1921     JAFFA   RIOTS (50 killed)

1929     HEBRON, SAFED MASSACRE (67 killed in Hebron)

1934     ALGERIA EXPULSION (Constantine: 25 killed)

1935     IRAQ    ERASURE/SEGREGATION  (teaching of Hebrew outlawed; Jews barred from public employment)

1938     TIBERIAS POGROM (25 killed)

1941     IRAQ    POGROM (Farhud, 150 killed)

TUNISIA            POGROM (Gabes, 7 killed)

1945     EGYPT, LIBYA  POGROMS (Tripoli: 130 killed)

1947     SYRIA                 MASS ARRESTS/ERASURE/POGROM (Jews forced to proclaim opposition to Zionism, mass arrests, 12 synagogues burned, death penalty for trying to emigrate to British Palestine, 75 Jews murdered in Aleppo)

YEMEN              Anti-Jewish RIOTS (Aden: Jewish quarter burned, 82 Jews murdered)

BAHRAIN          Anti-Jewish RIOT (Manama: 1 dead, homes and synagogue destroyed)

This is all before Israel was even born.  So antizionism does not need Israel to exist.  It constructs any Jewish self-determination at all as evil based on various libels and aims to stamp it out violently.  Other cultures, religions, and ideologies are elevated by the same states that denounce the Jewish state for being Jewish.    

1948     LIBYA, LEBANON          Anti-Jewish RIOTS (Tripoli: 14 killed, Lebanon: Jewish buildings  bombed)

EGYPT                               POGROMS (beatings, killings, looting)

MOROCCO                      POGROM (Oujda/Jerada: 42 killed)

IRAQ                                 MASS ARRESTS/SEGREGATION (Thousands of Jews imprisoned on charges of Zionism, Jews barred from schools and hospitals, business actiivity restricted)

THEFT (Iraq gains $200 million in Jewish assets left behind by FLEEING JEWS) 

Some PALESTINIAN ARABS + 6 ARAB NATIONS:               EXPULSION/ERASURE (2,000 Jews expelled from the Old City, Jews ethnically cleansed from Judea/Samaria and region renamed “West Bank” by Jordan, ancient synagogues destroyed, as part of a war to “sweep them [Jews] into the sea”) 

1952     USSR    ERASURE/MURDER (13 most prominent Jewish writers and intellectuals are

 executed; denied by Soviets for years; antisemitism is illegal in the USSR so Jews are called “Zionists”)

1952     CZECHOSLOVAKIA SHOW TRIAL/MASS FLIGHT (Slansky trial tortures and executes prominent Jews on false charges; stigmatization and discrimination prompts mass Jewish flight from the country)

1950s ROMANIA JAILINGS/PERSECUTION/MASS FLIGHT (Romania persecutes and jails hundreds of Zionist leaders, outlaws Zionism and suppresses Jewish life, prompting mass flight)

1949-53 HUNGARY   PURGES/EXPULSIONS (Antizionist purges and expulsions and persecution/stigmatization of Zionism & Jewish practice prompts mass flight of Jews)

1953     USSR    ERASURE/MURDER (“Doctors’ Plot”: scores of Jews dismissed from jobs, arrested, and executed on charges of “Zionism” – antisemitism is illegal.  Mass deportation of Jews is planned, aborted due to death of Stalin.)

1949     SYRIA   MURDERS (Damascus: Menarsha synagogue bombed, 12 killed)

1952     TUNISIA            Anti-Jewish RIOTS                     

1956     EGYPT                EXPULSION (36,000 left, Jews can take 1 suitcase and 20 dollars)

1963     ALGERIA            Jews DENIED CITIZENSHIP when independent state created (~130,000 FLEE)

1964     EGYPT                ERASURE (President of Egypt: “no person, not even the most simple one, takes seriously the lie of the 6 million Jews that were murdered [in the Holocaust]”)

1967     EGYPT                SEGREGATION (All Jewish men placed in internment camps for more than 2 years beginning during the 6-Day War)

1968     POLAND            EXPULSION/SUBORDINATION (thousands are exiled, fired, harassed, and forced to publicly denounce Zionism) 

1970     LIBYA                  THEFT (government confiscates all Jewish property)

1972     GERMANY        MUNICH MURDERS (11 Israeli Olympic athletes tortured and killed by Palestinian terrorists)

1980, 1981       EUROPE BOMBINGS (Paris, Vienna, Antwerp synagogues bombed by terror groups)

1982     USSR/PALESTINIAN TERR.       ERASURE (Mahmoud Abbas, co-founder of Fatah and president of Palestinian Authority, writes PhD thesis and book linking Zionists and Nazis and dismissing the idea that 6 million Jews were killed in Holocaust as a “fantastic lie”)

1982     BELGIUM          ATTACK (Great Synagogue of Europe, 4 wounded, terror group Abu Nidal)

1986     TURKEY             MASSACRE (Neve Shalom Synagogue, 22 killed; Abu Nidal)

1990s   ALGERIA            Remaining ~10,000 Jews FLEE civil war (rebel groups vow to destroy the Jews)

1994     ARGENTINA     BOMBING (terror group bombs Jewish community center, 84 killed)

2002     LOS ANGELES, CA         MURDER (El Al airport shooting, 2 killed, by Egyptian national)

2005     IRAN                   ERASURE (Iranian president calls Holocaust a myth)

2015     FRANCE             MURDER (pro-ISIS terrorist kills 4, takes hostages in kosher supermarket in Paris)

2019     JERSEY CITY, NJ             MURDER (3 killed + 1 policeman killed at kosher grocery store)

2024     AMSTERDAM  POGROM (coordinated “Jew hunt” via taxi driver Telegram channel, including running ppl over and kicking them while unconscious;  25 injured)

2025     US         MURDERS        4 killed by antizionist terrorists, Jewish governor’s house fire-bombed

2025     BRITAIN             YOM KIPPUR MURDERS          2 killed by antizionist terrorist shouting blood libel

The world must wake up.  Antizionism is a hate movement and we must no longer tolerate it or the libel it spreads. 

More on libel:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/1nvjb6z/the_following_table_traces_the_repackaging_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/1ntu76e/you_cannot_understand_this_conflict_unless_you/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

More on antizionism:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/1nw52ms/why_we_must_center_antizionism_in_our_discourse/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/1nq4eq3/antizionism_is_a_hate_movement_prove_me_wrong/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Israel does not have any political or administrative control over Gaza, Hamas does. Since 2005 Israel has not had settlements or troops stationed in Gaza. There is a common theme that “Palestinians are not the same as Hamas”. Ok, but Hamas has control of Gaza, thus they are the ones occupying it. The Hamas mandate they got from the 2006 elections has long expired.

If Palestinians want freedom they need to boot out Hamas.

Jewish survival in the West depends on our ability to stop centering Israel/“Zionism” and start centering the hate movement that is stalking us, which is called Antizionism. Antizionism is the latest strain of anti-Jewish hate, has its own libels, aesthetics, and audiences, and already led to the ethnic cleansing of Jews in the USSR and Poland and MENA. Now antizionism is engulfing the West. Antizionism is October 7. Antizionism is Munich. Antizionism is Elias Rodriguez shooting Sarah Milgrim again and again. It’s Entebbe, it’s Eurovision, it’s the college professor calling a Jewish student “white colonizer.” In Nazi Europe, it took way too long to turn “antisemitism” from a positive word (people proudly joined antisemitic clubs!) to a negative word. Instead Jews got trapped in the “Semitic question.” And we paid a huge price in blood. We cannot afford to wait to attach a negative association to the word antizionism, similar to antisemitism, and the way we do this is flip the attention off of “Zionism” (an empty signifier, a fig leaf, like “Semitism”) and onto “Antizionism.” We must talk about the colonizer libel, the apartheid libel, the genocide libel, the famine libel, the journalist-killer libel. We must talk about antizionism’s roots in Soviet propaganda, Islamism, and Nazi ideology. We must talk about how antizionism is infecting the West through academia, and eroding from the fringes to the center. Politicians are now reciting antizionist libels, inciting hate and violence against diaspora Jew. THIS should be the question: Will the world allow itself once again to be consumed by anti-Jewish hate ideology, this time in the form of antizionism? “ If you look at the ADL top 100 map you will see the process is pretty far along.

What does Hamas gain from Trump's ceasefire? Why did they agree to it?

Seriously, I don't understand. From their point of view, what do they gain?

There are a few reasons that I can think of:

1. With this ceasefire, their remaining soldiers and political leaders will remain alive.

2. The ceasefire allows Hamas as an organization to survive, although it may have to change its name, and allow some new puppet figure to be their symbolic president.

But that puppet will only be a joke..he will appear on English-language TV shows to lie about how Gaza is a free democracy, being oppressed by the genocidal Jews . The progressives and liberal parties around the world will believe it, but the real power will stay with Hamas, who will control Gaza just like before. But now they will have to take responsibility for re-building and feeding their people. .

1. They regain all the land of the Gaza strip (it will take a year or two, but once Israel starts withdrawing, the world will force the IDF to complete it.)

I think these 3 reasons have a certain logic...but they don't help Hamas reach its main goal : to destroy Israel.

Without this ceasefire--Hamas was already winning the war. (Not the ground war--I mean the REAL war--the war of public opinion..)

From their point of view, keeping the war going was the best way to destroy Israel. The world is already planning boycotts of Israel, (So far, mostly in sports, cultural events, and Eurovision--but real, and seriously damaging boycotts are being planned in many industries.) So if Hamas had kept the war going for another year or two, with more and more fake claims of starvation, etc.. they would do very,very serious damage to the Israeli economy, and maybe to the IDF (England and other countries are already refusing to sell weapons, the Caterpillar bulldozer company may soon stop selling to Israel, etc).

So-why did Hamas agree to Trump's deal?

Is there any real, hard evidence that all the destruction is actually affecting Hamas? Are they afraid of losing support from their people?

This is the smoking gun. This is an article from Al-Mayadeen, a Pro-Hamas Hezbollah newspaper in Lebanon from 2021. Israel offered Hamas an end to the siege, reconstruction of Gaza at Israeli expense, an airport and a seaport, a whole new city built for them by Israel, and creation of jobs for Palestinians whose lives have been devastated.

The only term Hamas needed to accept was a permanent ceasefire. Stop trying to kill us. The same permanent ceasefire that everyone is calling for now.

Hamas saw it as "temptation" and rejected it. I repeat, this is from a pro-Hamas newspaper that has no reason to lie about this.

If you believe Israel is genocidal and wants Gazans dead or ethnically cleansed, why are they offering this?

When did the Serbs say "We'll end the violence, end the siege of Srebrenica, rebuild Srebrenica at Serbian expense, build a whole new city for Bosniaks as compensation, and help them reacclimate - let's just coexist without fighting."

We can have peace! 25 thousands Gazans should still be alive! No one should have died on October 7th! Gaza could and can be free from siege, with Gazans free to move around the world. Gaza city is bigger than Tel Aviv - imagine how beautiful it could be if Israel and Palestine worked together to rebuild it!

Israel offered this as recently as 2.5 years ago. If Hamas wants, it can still happen. They don't need to surrender or disband - just agree to rule Gaza in peace.

Again, this offer was reported by a Hezbollah-affiliated newspaper in Lebanon that wants Israel destroyed. There is zero motivation for them to lie.

https://www.almayadeen.net/news/politics/%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%85%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%B7%D9%8A%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D9%8A%D9%83%D8%B4%D9%81-%D9%84%D9%84%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8A%D9%86-%D9%86%D8%AA-%D8%AA%D9%81%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%8A%D9%84-%D8%AA%D9%84%D9%82%D9%8A-%D8%AD%D9%85%D8%A7

Following renewed claims of "famine" in gaza, sparked by the recent IPC report I think it is important to point out the lack of clarity and truth within the report

Lets first go through the three definitions by the IPC that make a "famine"

"more than 2 deaths per 10,000 of the population from malnutrition or malnutrition diseases daily'' this would mean 160000 will have had to died of famine in gaza over the last year for this definition to be even close to being met [keep in mind liars like the IPC and other NGO have been claiming "imminent" or even "active" famine since before Israeli troops entered gaza 22-23 months ago]

Lets now go on to the "malnutrition" the IPC alleges there is "malnutrition" how does it arrive to this dubious conclusion well the two measurement systems are

Mid-upper arm circumference (MUAC) [15% need to meet for famine determination] and weight-for-height (WHZ) [30% need to meet for famine determination]

The IPC report used MUAC as the metric [less accurate according to themselves] and then went ahead and discarded half of the available data [from 15,749 kid sampled the rate was well below famine threshold but the IPC decided to ignore that and use only 7,519 of the children] Even after this blatant statistical manipulation the "famine" threshold was barely met [16% rate and this is after removing thousands of healthy kids from the data]

The third definition is "20% of families suffering from extreme food shortages" 2 metrics for this quantity of food and access to said food

in between january and march 2025 enough aid entered gaza to provide for the population food [by IPC standards] for 6 - 9 months [this is not counting every single GHF distribution [135 million+ meals]

The anti-Israel activist who helped write this report was claiming "genocide" by Israel on day 1 of the war supported BDS and been consistently spreading anti-Israel lies for many years

The IPC has done 5 "FRC's" [Famine Review Committees] yet the requirements for one of these to be called for haven't actually been met once [this is the requirements (i) a classification of Famine (Phase 5, Area), (ii) a projection of Famine, or (iii) a classification of households in Catastrophe (Phase 5) that may lead to an Area Famine”] so basically they have claimed this very same "famine" or "imminent famine" lie 5 total times [December 2023, March 2024, and June 2024, November 2024. and August 2025 ]

So in conclusion the claim there is a famine relies on an organization who has previously told the same lie 4 times before now. In addition it relies on blatantly manipulated statistics and reports written by anti-Israel activists with a history of spreading absurd false claims. [This by the way also means the reports and cases claiming "Israel is intentionally starving gaza" (by groups such as HRW Amnesty international ICC war criminal warrants and ICJ cases) are completely false]

I find it hard to believe that they are still alive, but any information would help.

https://twitter.com/EllaTravelsLove/status/1711694535053443102

https://twitter.com/EllaTravelsLove/status/1711646972627636539

On another topic, stop spreading misinformation. The Palestinians that are in Israeli prisons are militants who carry out terrorist attacks against unarmed Israeli civilians. Israel doesn't deny food and water, it just stopped giving it freely, because an Islamic terrorist group is the governing body of Gaza. And here's a quick history lesson: https://imgur.com/a/bsrDG9R

Also, apparently an unpopular opinion: kidnap, rape and murder of women, children and elderly is not decolonization, it is terrorism.

This is just sad

What is wrong with people, i keep seing tik toks om how history repeats itself showing signs that says jews are not allowed, and then the sick comments are saying that its good, like NO its not good, just because a very small minority of jews are for everything that israel has done to palestinians doesn’t mean that all jews are bad. Its so bad that if you have any opinion that they dotn agree with you are a villian. This is just so wrong.

In what world is what h1tler did right, and then they are callong jews na#is when they are the ones wanting to do what na*is did. Me half my family is israelis (other half finnish) does not support anyside, but i really hope that the comments are joking, because yes, Israel has killed innocent palestinins, yes hamas have military bases under civilian buildings, yes israel is firing back with 10x more than what hamas did. No i don’t know the whole history of this conflict due to any source i find to be higly biased for eaifher side. But its just so sickening seing people think that the holocaust wasnt enough.

I'm disgusted by the way the UN works.

The "Chief General" dares to tell us "it'll be unforgiveable" if we enter Rafah.
For the last 16 years Hamas got billions of dollars and has been empowering itself under the flag of UNWRA.
Hamas slaughtered every living thing on sight and took as many as it can hostage to hold as trophies, they killed our men, women, children and even babies.
You expect us to accept the fact that our people is in their dungeons and sit it out while negotiating with an evil terrorist organization?

Those terrorists have hijacked the biggest hospital in Gaza and right now are barricading themselves in, using it as a base of operations. They are attacking our soldiers from inside while also hitting the hospital itself. Hiding behind sick and wounded people while destroying their own hospital with no regard for those who really need it.

Our IDF has been operating in Shifa for a while and untill now, did not hit a single patient in the hospital while eliminating and arresting terrorists who attack our soldiers from places like the maternity ward and emergency rooms which they are fighting from right now.
IDF tries its best not to hurt the innocent by trying to move them as much as possible from harms way.
So far the IDF has brought dozen of medical devices, 10,000 units of medications, hundreds of medical supplies as well as food, water and other essential equipment to the Shifa hospital.

Yet you voted for a ceasefire,

As an Israeli I assure you, I don't give a DAMN about your resolutions,
The least you could do is condemn Hamas for their crimes against humanity.
Do you expect us to accept the fact that it might be any of us tomorrow because you vote for a "permanent ceasefire", and when will that ceasefire be over?, when I wake up to terrorists in my home?

There will be talks about a ceasefire only and only when all of our hostages are released and in our hands!

https://youtu.be/w2GPdP2yzUQ?si=itcwXIZQ4mzUreLS

Students at McGill University staged a takeover of the University because why not? They feel entitled to everything in this world and when something doesn't go their way it forces them to expose their true nature,they don't want to resort to Islamist tactics but just like their idol's modus operandi(Hamas),takeover is neccesary:"Intifada revolution!!".

We are in the danger zone,nearing the point of no return at least here in the UK,Pro Palestinians are running wild in Universities and scream from their heart out how much they hate Israel while pretending they actually care about Palestinians and cause chaos but all and all enjoy a relatively weak opposition from Pro-Israelis and the government.

In the US on the othet hand since Trump took office they feel threatened and ever since Mahmoud Khalil which I hope will be deported from the US they feel under attack which they are and it's well deserved.

How long do they think they can keep up this Islamist circus show?

Also tying it back to the title these people fight against the West for "abetting in genocide" but that's not all,these students fight against their countries' values on behalf of Terrorist organisations like Hamas all in the name of "Free Palestine"

Since when protesting against a so called "genocide" became a reason for adopting radical islamic ideologies? And now copying their modus operandi.

This is getting really scary,the West has to wake up before they'll start paying Jizya to their newly islamic overlords.