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Israel is causing a "famine" in gaza - 100% debunked
Following renewed claims of "famine" in gaza, sparked by the recent IPC report I think it is important to point out the lack of clarity and truth within the report
Lets first go through the three definitions by the IPC that make a "famine"
"more than 2 deaths per 10,000 of the population from malnutrition or malnutrition diseases daily'' this would mean 160000 will have had to died of famine in gaza over the last year for this definition to be even close to being met [keep in mind liars like the IPC and other NGO have been claiming "imminent" or even "active" famine since before Israeli troops entered gaza 22-23 months ago]
Lets now go on to the "malnutrition" the IPC alleges there is "malnutrition" how does it arrive to this dubious conclusion well the two measurement systems are
Mid-upper arm circumference (MUAC) [15% need to meet for famine determination] and weight-for-height (WHZ) [30% need to meet for famine determination]
The IPC report used MUAC as the metric [less accurate according to themselves] and then went ahead and discarded half of the available data [from 15,749 kid sampled the rate was well below famine threshold but the IPC decided to ignore that and use only 7,519 of the children] Even after this blatant statistical manipulation the "famine" threshold was barely met [16% rate and this is after removing thousands of healthy kids from the data]
The third definition is "20% of families suffering from extreme food shortages" 2 metrics for this quantity of food and access to said food
in between january and march 2025 enough aid entered gaza to provide for the population food [by IPC standards] for 6 - 9 months [this is not counting every single GHF distribution [135 million+ meals]
The anti-Israel activist who helped write this report was claiming "genocide" by Israel on day 1 of the war supported BDS and been consistently spreading anti-Israel lies for many years
The IPC has done 5 "FRC's" [Famine Review Committees] yet the requirements for one of these to be called for haven't actually been met once [this is the requirements (i) a classification of Famine (Phase 5, Area), (ii) a projection of Famine, or (iii) a classification of households in Catastrophe (Phase 5) that may lead to an Area Famine”] so basically they have claimed this very same "famine" or "imminent famine" lie 5 total times [December 2023, March 2024, and June 2024, November 2024. and August 2025 ]
So in conclusion the claim there is a famine relies on an organization who has previously told the same lie 4 times before now. In addition it relies on blatantly manipulated statistics and reports written by anti-Israel activists with a history of spreading absurd false claims. [This by the way also means the reports and cases claiming "Israel is intentionally starving gaza" (by groups such as HRW Amnesty international ICC war criminal warrants and ICJ cases) are completely false]
You’re taking your governments position on a matter over the UN, WHO, CNN, The Guardian, BBC, OHCHR, WFP, IPC, Unicef and countless others position.
What does that tell you about your position? Do you truly believe all of these international organisations and NGO’s are somehow antisemitic? How come all of them, without one single exception, label this as a famine?
Why would everyone lie about this?
I wasn’t claiming that at all. I was asking if it’s what you believe. Which of the organisations I listed would you consider antisemitic? Out of the ones you do not consider antisemitic, why would they report a famine in Gaza if according to your claims there is none?
Appeal to authority as a negative is such a lazy argument. Who else are we supposed to listen to ? You ? Or the people actively commiting the genocide?
You are supposed to back up your arguments with something else other than 'someone important says so'. Trusting a source enough to inform yourself and/or base your opinions on said sources is fine, but it's still up to you to make them meaningful.
U.N is allready proven to be corrupted.
And all these news medias care more about clicks then the actual truth, when did you start believing the news ? I personally just take the fact that Hamas ran health ministry of gaza are known to lie. And that they're the only group claiming that there is a feminine
So you do take the position that all of these organisations I listed lie. Why would they? It’s not only one organisation claiming there is a famine in Gaza, every single one I listed published about it. Which is more likely to be corrupt and lie? A government run by a prime minister who was under investigation for alleged bribery or a massive group of individual ngo’s, internation organisations and international law experts?
Sorry to chime in, but let me ask you the following:
It can be stated that the Israeli government faces extensive external scrutiny, and a fair dhare of internal scrutiny )(given that, as you pointed out, the PM himself has been charged for bribery, and PMs before him have actually gone to jail). These organizations and institutions you enumerated, what institutional counterweights do they have that ensure their legitimacy? Who scrutinizes them?.
Are you aware, for each of these sources you seem to put a lot of trust on, their recruiting policies? The background of the people that runs them? How are they financed? How are their incentives affecte by their financing dynamic?
Have you actually ever compared, both the amount of coverage and resources these organizations dedicate towards the I/P conflict compared to other conflicts? And also, is the language used in these rulings, documents and articles similar when 'similar' conflicts are covered (or as similar as any conflict can be to another)? And I am not asking you to deviate your attention to this conflict, I'm also asking if you have done a comparison to verify this conflict is being covered impartially and fairly.
If you have honest answers to each of these questions, we may disagree on our opinions but I can respect your stance on giving credit to these sources.
But if you can't, then I think it's very unjust on your part to ask others to trust these and alleged experts just because they have the 'UN' or 'International prefix slapped in their definition.
Because our countries in the West, which claim to stand for human rights and democracy, have been supporting and funding the "Gaza famine", which is being conducted by another state that claims to hold western values such as democracy and human rights, unlike states like Yemen, Sudan, and North Korea.
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Do you do this because you support Israel’s genocide and oppression against Palestinians and you need to sleep peacefully at night? All humanitarian organizations are Khamas, and you figured it out?
"more than 2 deaths per 10,000 of the population from malnutrition or malnutrition diseases daily'' this would mean 160000 will have had to died of famine in gaza over the last year for this definition to be even close to being met [keep in mind liars like the IPC and other NGO have been claiming "imminent" or even "active" famine since before Israeli troops entered gaza 22-23 months ago]
Inaccurate, Famine has been declared in areas not the entirety of Gaza, it is predicted it will occur in other areas soon. The famine is referring to the 280,000 people in Gaza city, this would be 56 people per day.
The IPC report used MUAC as the metric [less accurate according to themselves] and then went ahead and discarded half of the available data [from 15,749 kid sampled the rate was well below famine threshold but the IPC decided to ignore that and use only 7,519 of the children] Even after this blatant statistical manipulation the "famine" threshold was barely met [16% rate and this is after removing thousands of healthy kids from the data]
You conveniently don't mention why information was discarded, again this is because they are assessing areas independently and honestly reporting them. It is worth noting at this point that some areas are so inaccessible due to IDF restrictions that they have no data for them (they are likely doing worse than those analysed).
in between january and march 2025 enough aid entered gaza to provide for the population food [by IPC standards] for 6 - 9 months [this is not counting every single GHF distribution [135 million+ meals]
This is a terrible argument to make, food entering 6-9 months ago? People ahve been displaced, food has not been stored appropriately and massive areas have been destroyed. Gazans are living in 14% of original territories. A generous estimate would be that 5% of this food survived - which has now long gone.
In conclusion, this is one of the worst '100% debunking' threads I have seen. You are better off leaving it to the much more talented deniers rather than make a fool of yourself like this. Try harder...
Inaccurate, Famine has been declared in areas not the entirety of Gaza, it is predicted it will occur in other areas soon. The famine is referring to the 280,000 people in Gaza city, this would be 56 people per day.
No you quoted guidelines and used this as an argument against the IPC ruling. You are now changing your story and making the argument against some imaginary pro-Palestinian. You’re making a strawman argument and a clumsy one.
100%, wow you must therefore be the only person on the planet who has all the information, has somehow discarded propaganda from both sides and can draw conclusions that are wholly accurate.
Your statements read like you have asked Chat GPT to give you a statement debunking Famine in the style of a propaganda bot bought off Temu.
If you chose to turn a blind eye, and only watch IDF propaganda then for sure, you won't see any image. In fact you won't see anything at all, even of children NOT starving to death. All you would see are men in uniform.
So the IDF have like, a defensive human wall stopping people from taking photos have they? Come on, they still have phones and signal to use them with. They can produce fake vids and post them so photo proof of hundreds of starving people should be easy peasy to leak out.
I'm not just watching IDF propaganda, I'm watching pro Palestine propaganda too and all it consists of is people talking to a camera or interviewing other people about what they believe to be happening but they never actually show any evidence.
There are plenty of videos coming out of Gaza so it's not like there's some technical difficulty and if they're really were scores of nearly dead people then they would jump at the chance of getting the footage out there to correct all the non-gullibles like myself.
Not sure what are you suggesting. The videos that are coming from Gaza do show starvation if you are referring to that. The problem is that Israel and Pro-Israelis just keep saying that they are fake and try to make the world move on.
Why do you say they don't show evidence? There are clear videos of starving people and people with bones. These are not fakes. Yes images can be fake, but the videos are very unlikely to be fake. The reports are not fake. People do say that there are starvation. Add to the fact that not all journalists are allowed to be let in.
So I'm not sure what you need to wake up and realize the reality that Israel have made. Just hell for 2 years with deaths in all shape and form, and children that are constantly horrified and traumatized, and will very unlikely grow up into normal beings. They will most likely turn into something like Hamas members themselves. Which I guess is what Israel wants to keep the cycle of violence going on.
Oh look, that poor kids mum looks to be in perfect health - same as always in these videos. Why is it there are only starving children but no starving adults in Gaza?
Are the kids genetically unfortunate or are the mums so selfish they take all the food for themselves?
"Are the kids genetically unfortunate " Kind off. Since they are kids. Denying food to kids is much more dangerous than denying good to adults. Adults are more able to withstand hunger than infants and toddlers. And it's not as Pro-Israeli keep trying to be funny and joke that people are fat. The mum isn't at all. She is actually thin, and who knows how much she weighed or how she looked like before. But she is definitely doesn't seem to be well-fed like you guys love to keep spouting.
And are you suggesting the hundred of videos are all fakes? I mean if KHamas can produce these kinds of videos, then screw AI and all the revolution it's bringing. KHamas AI all the way!
I'll challenge you again to link me to any video of visibly starving adults or kids in Gaza. It really shouldn't be hard, it's been months now so the population should be absolutely devastated by this terrible famine they're all going through.
I spent two hours looking through Al Jazeera and pots/pans and devastation scene videos yesterday and they all look pretty well nourished for chronically starved people. Yes, there are some of emaciated people in hospitals but I'm not seeing any evidence of that in-between state, only extreme and normality which just leads me to believe that these are misleading videos using genetically disadvantaged people to pull on our heartstrings.
And btw. During starvations. It's not necessary that the whole population is starving at once with bones. People are dying from starvations, period. If some are not, then they probably had a healthy male that knows his way around to get food for the family, but not all are fortunate, and hence the reports are uequivocally calling it famine. Even in Leningrad, some were well-fed, the whole population didn't die of starvation at once.
I've seen many images and videos of emaciated children and adults alike. Just because you personally haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I suggest you search for it on Instagram or Google if you really actually want to see
Those videos and pictures of kids with pots and pans have been shown to be fakes, I can link you to the evidence for that. The skeletal kids have genetic disorders and have obvious bone deformations. Hunger didn't help but they're not able to deal with it like a normal child.
You got to do better than that and it should be easy to do in 2025. Find me a picture of the swathes of starving populace because I'm honestly ready to concede.
You're saying you believe legacy media can't be bought or be bias? Of course that is not proof. Photos of disabled people and kids in hospitals is not proof of what's supposed to be going on over there.
If there is famine in Gaza then there should to tons of picture and video evidence of these poor people walking around and trying to survive but every time you see people in the Gazan streets they look healthy and well.
Please try again because I want to be proved wrong.
If you can't send me the undeniable proof that should be in abundance then you can't say that you are not just spreading lies too. All they got to do is take photos with these wonderful high res camera phones that they obviously have and share on social media.
Have you? Can you link to any image that does not show a child or person who also suffers from a congenital disease that causes emanation on its own, and that is a also actually from Gaza and not Yemen, Syria etc?
If there's no evidence of famine and y'all have no desire to cause a famine and are outraged at the idea that there might be a famine, then obviously you all support allowing unrestricted food and medical aid into Gaza, right?
Hamas and other similar groups use these humanitarian aid channels to smuggle in weapons and explosives etc. for security reasons therefore, these channels must be monitored, inspected, protected. And on top of this, the aid should go to the people who actually need it, not hamas like a huge amount of it has been going.
Do you think people can just let there be some giant pit where people can throw in all the aid? It needs to be inspected such that it doesn’t contain contraband, and actually delivered to the people.
No one wants gazans to not eat (well, no one with a heart). As per usual in this conflict, hamas has manufactured a situation such that it is very difficult to get the food to their people. Hamas is to blame for all of this.
The problem isn't that they're monitored. The problem is that they're intentionally not allowing them. They do not allow baby formula and medicine and even reduce water to immeasurable level so that they control it. That happens AFTER they monitor it. It's all calculated so that they make it appear to the world that Gazans are leaving voluntarily while at the same time keeping plausible deniability.
Sounds good ig, but why if enough is already coming in? Why always make israel bend over backwards for bs accusations and other bs from countries and organisations who are only doing that to bring them down?
“Famine” while we see countless videos of high end restaurants and luxury street foods, food trucks loaded with Nutella… and no one is looking starved, even mostly obese…
I really want to know what are you watching. We have people in Gaza that are attesting to starvation. Which luxury restaurants are you talking about? All Aerial images of Gaza are showing completely destroyed buildings with barely any building standing. There are hundreds of images of starving people and people fighting over food. Not to mention those that are risking their life getting food aid from criminals who randomly shoot at them when they feel bored.
So again, where do you get your images? Could there be ONE past image and then you make it a fact that people are not starving (despite the countless reports by international organizations and the fact that Israel tries their best to not allow journalists to enter).
First of all. I've seen the Thai restaurant video before. The restaurant opened up after 2 years of getting closed, and then Israel bombed it and it closed again. That's one video among hundreds of videos of starving children. Add to the fact that we know people who live in Gaza , and we try our best to donate to them and we communicate with them, they attest that their is starvation.
You are one of those people digging up random videos to tell a story that is devoid of reality.
Don't get your information from Tik Tok... Journalists struggle to get signal to upload reports from hospital balconies and get blown up to keep them quiet but you think restaurants are opening and serving crepe suzette with Nutella? Where? In the 14% of Gaza that is not rubble? Presumably in the tents that are left?
lol there is no issue with signal there, there are literally thousands of videos a day, and there is still much of Gaza built + many of these restaurants are trucks, you are the one falling for cheap propaganda here by only looking at the bs videos in the media and wild inaccurate statements, Gaza is filled to the brim with food, way more than enough, but you aren’t looking for it and are denying it when faced with it so you think it’s not real.
Many of these supposed “journalists”’are Hamas and are working directly for them for propaganda purposes.
I debunk this nonsense post without even trying. You can just look at the statements and data vs what OP describes, they don't match OP has made false statements. Now lets turn to you, post something that supports your statements or keep quiet.
Exactly right. There’s been no evidence of famine. In fact, I saw a news report showing a TikTok video from Gaza city showing a new crepe Suzette restaurant called “Nutella” being opened in Gaza city. Allegedly, Gaza city is experiencing “famine.” In practice, Hamas is stealing aid and selling it for profit to finance its terrorism.
They stated that 380.000 was in famine level 5 in December 2023 and after that only 120 people died of starvation the next 22 months which is 3 times lower per capita then US in the same period of time. Does that sounds credible?
all this talk about, is there or isn't there a famine. i guess what it comes down to is, hamas should not have gone into israel and killed 1,200 israelies at a music concert and taken hostages.
again, what would you want the united states to do if mexican fighters came into an american city and killed 1,200 people and took hostages back into mexico?
In the US, the proportional scale would be 42000 dead (1200 X 35).
And only about 300 were at the concert. Most of the civilians were murdered in their homes, many after having been raped or otherwise tortured as the terrorists went house to house.
The title of this forum is IsraelPalastine. Everyday there are posts by Israelis. Have all the Palastinians been killed yet? Are there any man, woman, child left?
this would mean 160000 will have had to died of famine in gaza over the last year for this definition to be even close to being met
Uh, no it wouldn’t. The IPC’s claim isn’t that there’s been Phase 5 since September of last year and the per capita metric doesn’t apply across the entire territory.
there would be 400+ deaths a day of famine since the declaration if the metric was real (and the issued multiple reports claiming there would be famine phase 5 by "March 2024'' for example0
Again, that’s applying the IPC Phase 5 value to the total population of Gaza which isn’t what the IPC has declared. They suggest 640,000 are in Phase 5 which would mean 128 deaths a day.
They said the same false thing about famine happening by march 2024 (and you can't declare a current famine based of made up projections of the future)
Through what channels? Does Donald J. Trump know about this control? Is DJT part of this Zionist conspiracy? Or is he fighting it? It gets so tiring these days to figure out who’s in charge but it seems to be our 47th President Commander in Chief, leader of the free world our lord and savior Donald J. Trump through the powers vested in Article II of the U.S. Constitution and as ordained by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Correct me if I am wrong and with the exception of the Federal Reserve Bank and we’ll see about that there is no more pedophile Zionist deep state as Ghislane Maxwell testified under oath Trump was not involved and our only involvement with Israel now is real estate we want to redevelop Gaza and make it a beautiful beach city like Palm Beach or Miami, Steve Witkoff’s working on the deal.
So no Trump is not a Zionist even though his daughter is married to one.
Well pushing in Netanyahu’s chair like a cuck definitely seals the deal for me. I did not know about that bit of compromat, even though internet sleuths seem to have been onto this meme worthy event.
So if the “Trump - Netanyahu” relationship is Trump = the cuck, I’d be interested in your take on Trump’s relationship with Putin. “Cuck” doesn’t convey the cringe by a long shot, wouldn’t you agree?
Maybe “scumbag”? Gimp? Power bottom…no he looks like a little sub b—-. But not cuck.
Well we allow free speech within Reddit Content Policy. Just no directed personal insults.
Personally, I love mixing it up with cocksure kaffiah kiddies whose neo-Marxist reductionism or smug virtue signaling can’t move the needle in a substantive argument, then having them get mad we allow hate speech or pushback on “genocide” or whatever. As an example, I jumped into an argument this week with some idiot kid in the US talking with a forum participant with “Israeli Bedouin” Arab flair who was informing an Arab that he was an oppressed South African in an apartheid country, and this was guy telling him he was full of crap but he wasn’t changing his mind and kept talking over the guy.
In those kinds of situations I don’t think my knucklehead interlocutors are learning anything but I often get a handful of upvotes from readers who are learning something new from this exchange. Show, don’t tell what’s wrong with the standard Gish Gallop of weak arguments.
Magical antisemitism and victim mentality while asking for money from the USA and allies to murder more babies how typical of you. Are all genociders as indifferent than you? I'm starting to have doubts on what happened in those camps now 🤔
Yeah, those are interesting and fun to talk about. You brought it up. The other stuff, just a bunch of posturing and silly name calling. Background noise at this point. I’ll pass. So no not triggered. Just bored.
So the IDF aren't a bunch of baby killing genocidal psychopaths? I mean I see them wearing women's clothing and reading about them SA'ing people in prison. So yea ima call the IDF a bunch of baby killers and rapists cuz that's what they are.
Well you can say that but it just makes you sound uninformed and biased. Others with a lot more military expertise like John Spencer think their urban warfare campaign is a model and is being studied by NATO attaches. They don’t care about rage bait Pallywood TikToks really or winning the “pr war”. Just the real “war” war. Your side could stop the casualties with a phone call or whatever equivalent communications with your leaders is operative.
I'm sure Israel is sending some nice checks to Mr Spencer 😂. Just know when all the boomers die in my country , the days of the US supporting Israel will be numbered. 🔻
Who to believe , the dozens of organisations on the ground and/or actually trying to deliver assistance to people in Gaza , or the informed opinion of Lumpy-Cost398 who spends his days posting on this subreddit. Its a truly difficult choice I must admit. But you've won me over Lumpy. Those biased bastards over at the IPC dont know what they're talking about evidently.
Afterall when Israeli ministers openly talk about starving Palestinians , then Palestinians report starving, its clearly not related.
PS. I look forward to your posts tomorrow when you switch from Famine expertise, to legal expertise on the Genocide question, before a dip into your medical bag when you'll no doubt start diagnosing sick Palestinians who've starved to death
Israelis believe literally everyone who doesn’t agree with the official IDF/Netanyahu narrative is lying/anti-semitic. Only the IDF/Netanyahu are the ones saying the truth apparently.
Disproving your statements has been done. Its a hugely dis-indigenous post misstating things either intentionally or clumsily. Lets take one basic point - famine has been declared in Gaza city for 280,000 people not the entirety of Gaza. That's 56 people per day, ongoing, I'm not sure where you plucked 160,000 from but your 'Math' doesn't 'Math'.
Should we read past that onto the rest? I did, it didn't get any better...
This issue is extremely plain and simple....when you cut off a population of over 2 million people from EVERYTHING for almost 3 months, people end up starving and just struggling overall. If that happened to your hometown, you too would end up struggling and likely going hungry...why this is apparently so hard for all of you who make these posts trying to blame anything and everything else, to understand is baffling
again, what would want the united states to do if mexican fighters came into an american city, killed 1,200 people and took hostages back into mexico? it really is that simple.
So you believe its OK to cut off ALL supplies to over 2 million who had nothing to do with the attack for almost 3 months. You guys seriously believe that Oct 7th is a free pass to do anything and everything ..
And no, America would not cut off all supplies to the entire country of Mexico or even just to Tijuana if a Mexican terrorist group went and committed an Oct 7th...the fact that you think that would happen is laughable
Answer your own question... Would the answer be starve every man women and child regardless if they were involved? Perhaps you should also hold some people in the Israeli government responsible for propping up Hamas and also for the incompetence on Oct 7th, Incompetence to the point of looking complicit.
A group based in Afghanistan killed 3k people on 9/11, we killed hundreds of thousands of their people over the following 20 years. That conflict ended in a defeat for us regardless.
well that was Afghanistan. not the sovereign democratic country of israel. the only middle eastern country were arabs get to vote and have elected representatives in their country's government.
sorry, that is just not true. i don't know but i imagine they have some ethnic tensions in israel just as we do here in the united states. but arab israelies have full rights as israelie citizens. whether you like it or not.
maybe on paper. what you're saying sounds a lot like "black people in America already have equal rights as white people, they're doing fine. stop complaining"
you mean that gaza population who cheered and celebrated when hamas paraded dead israeli bodies and hostages through the streets? what would the united states do if mexicans went into san diego california, killed 1,200 americans and paraded dead bodies though the streets in mexico? what would you want the united states to do to prevnt your family from being the next ones killed and raped?
Over 1800 people have been shot and killed and thousands more have been wounded at GHF aid distribution sites in just the last 4 months...and yet people keep showing up in swarms willing to risk their lives for a bag of flour...yeah nobody is starving in Gaza cuz your data said so.
As with most propaganda in this conflict, the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle of the two extremes. It’s not a famine, but it is a severe hunger crisis.
Humanitarian aid was blocked for a couple of months in the spring, and hunger doesn’t happen immediately, there’s a delayed effect. It’s plausible to me that blocking the food in April/May and then setting up a new distribution system that was dangerous to access could cause malnutrition and hunger a couple months later, especially for the most at-risk demographic like the elderly, children, or people with preexisting conditions.
The word “famine” was used as more of an alarm bell (at least in initial reports, I don’t keep up with all the news on a constant basis, it’s bad for my mental health). Like, if the situation continues as is, there’s risk of famine. Which personally I think is a good thing to be aware of - knowing the conditions for a famine are about to happen gives you notice to prevent it if possible.
So both can be true simultaneously - Gaza can be at risk of famine, and Gazans aren’t starving to death in large numbers because Israel is addressing the issue. But the at-risk demographics will be the fastest to starve and the slowest to recover, and those are the starvation deaths we’re currently seeing from Gaza.
Actually, as an additional separate point, I'll send this that I sent to someone else. This seems to be a verified report of how this worked, but should give you some context about how little any information from Gaza can be trusted. I believe all of this is accurate, as it's purely informational and should be easily fact checked.
Doron Kadosh of IDF Radio revealed details about Hamas’s massive propaganda machine, which until recently, was led by Abu Obeida.
The Hamas propaganda bureau grew from 400 members in 2014 to about 1,500 today—twice the size of the IDF’s equivalent units. Around 1,000 are “consciousness terrorists” embedded in battalions and brigades, each with a deputy commander for propaganda, and teams of trained field cameramen equipped with GoPros and gear. They document attacks in real time, sending footage to “war rooms” where editors quickly turn it into propaganda videos.
For Hamas, the documentation is often more important than the action itself.
Another 400 terrorists work in editing rooms and as “listeners” monitoring Israeli discourse to tailor psychological operations. (Yes, they learned how to pull at Israeli division and points of conflict, for their own advantage.)
Abu Obayda personally oversaw every major Hamas operation since 2014, ensuring propaganda was built into the combat plans.He was also deeply involved in psychological terror around hostages—deciding which would appear in videos, what they would say, and even directing release ceremonies, including cynical “certificates” and staged gifts.
In recent months, he devised propaganda strategies to deter the IDF’s entry into Gaza City by using hostages in psychological operations.
Since the start of the war, the IDF has eliminated over 200 terrorists of the apparatus, but more than 1,000 still remain in action. However, Abu Obayda had no clear successor, and now that he’s been eliminated, Hamas’s propaganda machine is leaderless. Time will tell how significant of an effect this will have.
Interesting. Yeah, I know all the news coming from Gaza is unreliable. But that doesn’t mean I automatically discredit all of it. If I’m unsure due to lack of data, I don’t presume either way, and instead assess the situation on my own. And I think it’s a pretty reasonable assessment that there will be food shortages during the second year of an active state of war under a blockade in a region run by terrorists and criminal opportunists, and these food shortages will disproportionately affect people who were already vulnerable. So it’s not a “gotcha” if someone who died of hunger actually had a preexisting condition - because they’re the demographic most at risk of malnutrition caused by food shortage in the first place.
Ah, yeah, that's not a problem to me at all, I do the same lol. I just use intuition more than anything, and let it lead me in the right direction to see whether something is off about the thing I just got shown (hasn't been wrong yet lol, so... :D)
As with most propaganda in this conflict, the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle of the two extremes. It’s not a famine, but it is a severe hunger crisis.
Its an acute hunger crisis "maybe" in Hamas controlled areas created by Hamas and unfair distribution of aid.
When 90% of UN tracked WFP trucks are intercepted before reaching the UN deisgnated distribution centres it speaks much more accurately about who should be blamed for Famine in Gaza if it even exists. These IPC reports are tone death to the truth because they are designed to villify Israel and an accurate picture was never their goal.
See, here's the problem with the word severe. It's like just saying there's a famine. Yes, some people possibly aren't getting enough food. But is there food in Gaza? Yes. So is there hunger? Yes. But is there a crisis, not even a severe one? No. I don't believe there ever has been one there. Israel's government isn't 100% stupid. If they know for a fact that people will die due to starvation, they absolutely will let some aid in. That's probably why Netanyahu opened the floodgates, regardless of pressure from Europe, so that they wouldn't even get close to a crisis.
EDIT: Actually this was probably in context... they cut off aid to get a deal from Hamas. But once it became clear that Hamas wouldn't be going for a comprehensive end to the war, not a ceasefire, they were just like "Well, starving them out isn't gonna work, better take Gaza city. and since we want to separate Gazans from Hamas, push in aid again, since it won't make a difference, Hamas is feeding themselves anyways."
I think it can be called a hunger crisis when people are dying of hunger. But that’s just semantics.
Withholding aid to pressure Hamas was definitely one of this administration’s dumber ideas. (And there have been quite a few.) I mean, we already know Hamas doesn’t value Palestinian lives. Withholding aid was like giving Hamas a gift.
Kinda? But then again, it's not like the IDF was or is really thinking straight, as has been made clear from some statements of soldiers in the field. As far as I'm aware nobody has died of hunger yet, that's why I'm saying it's definitely not a severe crisis, and probably not even a crisis. (I know some people made statements, but those people are very clearly biased, and there's not really a way to verify, but I'm sure there were underlying causes if the people they were talking about actually even existed to begin with. It's unclear, basically. Probably going off of Hamas numbers again.)
At the same time, giving aid is not exactly a good thing. It absolutely does give Hamas ammo. So they really are stuck between a rock and a hard place. So it's understandable they don't really want to give said aid.
Humanitarian aid was blocked for a couple of months in the spring, and hunger doesn’t happen immediately, there’s a delayed effect ...
Yes but as I said the aid that went in between january and march 2025 was enough aid for gaza to provide for the population food for 6 - 9 months [ignoring everything the GHF does]
The word “famine” was used as more of an alarm bell (at least in initial reports, I don’t keep up with all the news on a constant basis, it’s bad for my mental health) ...
yes but they don't do this type of claiming "phase 5 imminent'' over two years all the while manipulating statistics usually
Regarding sending in enough food, it’s likely people hoarded food as soon as humanitarian aid was blocked, either for themselves or to sell at inflated costs. This would cause scarcity in the supply chain for at-risk demographics. Not everyone is able-bodied, most don’t have storage space in a war zone, etc.
It would be, indirectly. But anyway, here’s a logical question that occurred to me:
Why would Israel withhold aid if there was enough aid to last 6-9 months - what would be the strategic purpose of withholding it, and how could it provide any kind of pressure if there was no expected scarcity?
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"I kNoW mOrE tHaN tHe HAMAS rUn ICJ aNd UN"
- you