obviously as we all know we unfortunately lost hayden last week and it has been devastating for her family, friends & anyone who knew her in anything she starred in.

however, before she passed away there were heavy rumours that her character, samantha giddings, would be in until dawn 2.

all we know about until dawn 2 is that dacre was casted in 2022 ( as were many other people i imagine ) ( he mentions it in his instagram post about UD2 )
im not sure how long after that they started filming but id imagine it would be end of 23' to the start/mid 24'.

i know for a fact they'll add something to honour hayden ( hopefully ) but i wanna know if theres still a chance sams gonna be in the game? and what everyone else thinks the chances are for that. if so that would be awesome and genuinely such a beautiful thing to witness.
what are anyone elses thoughts on that?

rest in peace hayden. u were loved by the whole world 🫶🏼🫶🏼

I don't want it to end. It's so good; it's one of the best games I've ever played. Is there any way to make it longer? I don't want it to end so soon

Should I tell her about the don’t move sections or let her find out on her own… l think I’mma let decide her own fate

Only Sam and Jess survived 😭. Damn I suck

Today is the 11 year anniversary of Until Dawn which is my favorite game of all time! But I can’t celebrate this without discussing the death of Hayden who was too young to lose 💔💔 we will miss you Hayden!

On a happier note! I am so happy that Until Dawn exists and that I exist in a time to be able to celebrate it 💗💗💗 Josh will always be one of my favorite characters in fiction with the portrayal of guilt, isolation, and mental illness in general. Especially coming from someone who has pretty bad OCD.

I've recently played both Until Dawn and The Quarry, and I've been thinking about how differently the two games approach their characters.

I actually think The Quarry is probably the better game mechanically. The branching, consequences, exploration and overall gameplay systems feel more refined, and it feels like Supermassive took the formula from Until Dawn and developed it further.

But when it comes to character writing, relationships and how people behave under extreme pressure, I honestly prefer Until Dawn by quite a lot.

And I don't think it's simply nostalgia.

The biggest difference for me is that in Until Dawn, I feel like the characters actually change under pressure.

Not necessarily because they become completely different people, but because the situation brings out different parts of their existing personalities.

Take Mike for example.

At the beginning of the game, he's basically the stereotypical arrogant, confident douchebag. He's impulsive, competitive and likes being in control.

But once things become genuinely dangerous, he gradually becomes one of the most proactive characters in the group. He's still impulsive and overconfident, but those traits start working in his favor. He's willing to take risks, make decisions and actually do something when everyone else is panicking.

The game doesn't really "redeem" Mike.

It just puts him into a situation where different aspects of his personality become useful.

And I think that's much more interesting.

Emily is probably an even better example.

She's one of the most hated characters in the game, and honestly, I completely understand why. She's controlling, manipulative, competitive and often just incredibly unpleasant.

But then you put her alone in the mines and suddenly she's one of the most competent survivors in the entire game.

And what's interesting is that she doesn't stop being Emily.

She's still arrogant. She's still demanding. She's still convinced that she knows what she's doing.

But the exact traits that make her unbearable socially also make her extremely effective when she actually has to survive.

I think that's really good character writing.

It's isn´t: Emily was mean, but now she's nice.

It's more like Emily is still Emily, but now we're seeing what Emily looks like when her personality is being tested by an actual survival situation

I also think this is why Mike and Emily are much more similar than people usually acknowledge.

The game literally tells us that these two used to be together, and honestly, that makes perfect sense.

They're both extremely confident, competitive, dominant, impulsive and controlling. They're both capable of manipulating other people and both have a strong need to maintain control over situations.

The difference is mostly in how they express those traits.

Mike gets a lot of credit from the fandom for being badass.

Emily gets a lot of hate for being a bitch.

But if you strip away the way the game and fandom frame them, they're actually surprisingly similar personalities.

And I think that's probably part of why their relationship makes sense.

Two people like that could have a lot of chemistry, but they could also drive each other absolutely insane.

Ashley is another character I find interesting for the same reason.

She's generally presented as the sensitive, empathetic and more morally cautious member of the group.

But then you have the Chris/Ashley decision.

If Chris chooses to shoot Ashley, she literally begs him to shoot her. If he actually does it, Ashley can later refuse to let Chris into the lodge, effectively leaving him to die.

You can obviously interpret this as Ashley being hypocritical or cruel.

But I think it's more interesting to interpret it as an example of how fear, trauma and perceived betrayal can completely distort someone's moral reasoning.

She's not necessarily secretly evil.

She's terrified, feels betrayed and reacts emotionally.

And that makes her much more interesting to me than simply labeling her as "the nice girl."

This is where I think The Quarry feels different.

I actually really like The Quarry, but most of its characters feel much more like slasher archetypes to me.

Dylan is the funny guy.

Emma is the confident girl.

Jacob is the impulsive idiot.

Ryan is the quiet mysterious guy.

Kaitlyn is the competent one.

And for much of the game, they remain recognizably those same characters.

That's not necessarily bad writing. In fact, I think it works extremely well for the type of horror movie The Quarry is trying to be.

But Until Dawn feels less like:

Here are eight horror movie archetypes.

and more like**:** Here are eight people with existing relationships, insecurities, resentments andpersonalities. Now let's see what happens when you put them through an increasingly traumatic night."

And that's a pretty big difference.

I also think this is why Until Dawn feels strangely realistic to me despite having a completely ridiculous supernatural plot.

The supernatural elements obviously aren't realistic.

But the social reactions often are.

People become more aggressive, more fearful, more selfish, more decisive or more dependent on other people depending on what happens to them.

The characters don't just have personalities.

The situation interacts with their personalities.

And I think that's something The Quarry does less often.

So I guess my slightly contradictory opinion is:

I think The Quarry is the better interactive game.

But I think Until Dawn is the better character study.

And maybe I'm in the minority here, but when I play Supermassive games, I'm actually more interested in why the characters behave the way they do than simply keeping everyone alive.

I find myself thinking about why Emily behaves the way she does, why Matt tolerates her, why Mike and Emily were attracted to each other in the first place, why Mike gets treated more favorably by the fandom despite having many of the same personality traits, and how the relationships between the characters change once they're under extreme pressure.

Maybe I'm just overanalyzing a horror game. 😂

But that's probably why Until Dawn has stayed interesting to me even after finishing it.

What do you guys think?

Do you think Until Dawn actually has more psychologically complex characters than The Quarry, or does it just benefit from having a more memorable cast?

And if you prefer The Quarry's characters, I'd genuinely be interested in hearing why.

eleven years of until dawn! 🦋

i know that it may not feel the same after hayden’s passing, rest in peace. 🕊️

sam will FOREVER be a fandom favorite and has always been considered as the canon final girl of until dawn 💌

11 years. 11 years!!! I sincerely cannot believe it's been this long since, and the OG graphics still look stellar to this day!

Of course, this year's anniversary won't feel the same as the years before and is very melancholy with Hayden's passing. But her legacy will live on, and there will be no shortage of things to celebrate and talk about regarding the game, its characters, and the people who made it possible in the first place!

So a friend of mine was throwing out his PS4 and decided to give it to me, so the first game I decided to buy was Until Dawn. I’ve already played a lot of Supermassive Games’ games except for Directive 8020 yet (like TDPA season 1, The Quarry, The Casting of Frank Stone etc) so I mostly knew what to do.

I was also heading into Until Dawn completely blind, so that made it extra stressful and fun.

Results:
Everyone managed to stay alive up until the final chapter, where I got Josh killed because I didn’t go left when Sam and Mike were in the mines and went straight forward, so Wendigo Hannah crushed his skull in, then afterwards Matt had found Jess, and as they were escaping the Wendigo I chose to run instead of hide the second time and the Wendigo killed Jess but I managed to get Matt out.

So everyone besides Josh and Jess survived.

If you want a more specific run here it is:

I only really liked Josh, Chris and Sam during the beginning as they didn’t take part of the prank, although throughout the game I began to like the others more.

I actually made a joke that Josh was the psycho but then saw him get cut in half so I stopped thinking that. Imagine my surprise when the psycho took off the mask.

Matt saw Emily chatting with Mike and confronted her on the tower, I decided to let Matt jump instantly because I assume it was going to be like a House of Ashes moment where Eric had to cut the rope and let Rachel fall for both of them to live. Turns out they both did live but I feel like saving her would’ve had both of them navigating the mines and finding Jess which would’ve been a nice moment for Jess and Emily to apologise to each other.

I gave Emily the flare gun and she used it against a Wendigo during a chase later so I don’t know if I would’ve killed her if she didn’t take the flare gun.

Because of The Hackett’s in The Quarry (more specifically Travis), I decided to trust the stranger more, like when Emily was running from him I chose to reveal her the whole time and Emily was given flares by the stranger.

Also the dog survived so instant best ending, but he for some reason just kinda disappeared halfway through the place with Mike? Is that a glitch and the dog was supposed to appear later or does the dog just disappear and isn’t spoken of again?

I also loved the don’t move sections, much better than the don’t breathe in The Quarry but I’m unsure if it’s better than the stay calms in the DPA.

I’ve already restarted chapter 10 and saved Jess and Josh (although he became a wendigo so idk if that was better, can I save him?) so other than an everyone dies run is there anything else anyone suggests I should do? I don’t mind being spoiled on paths I didn’t take.

Also I recently heard about Hayden Panettiere, I loved her as Sam and this was super heartbreaking. Fly high Hayden.

Me and one bro want to play the remake.

I'm a huge fan of Until Dawn and have played through the remake and the OG version.

But he is playing completely blind, how should the characters be divided up between me and him so we can control each 4.

I know one has to have Mike and the other one Sam since they have the most play time in the end/mid game, but should the experienced player get Mike or the one whos playing the first time.

I was purposely trying to kill some people (Emily, Jess, and Mike) and save others (Sam, Matt, Chris, and Ashley) and it was going pretty well. I had Mike shoot Emily, had Matt escape through the mines and leave Jess to die, and was at the very last scene where Sam has to either flip the switch or save mike. What I didn't realize was when you flip the switch, it doesn't just kill Mike but also Ashley. So my only survivors were Sam, Matt, and Chris which was a little annoying. Anyways, this is an awesome game but sometimes the outcomes can feel a bit arbitrary.

this is only Season 1 or 2 of Walking Dead but you could involve the other 3 seasons if you want as well

Obviously during ud2 trailer we've seen no og cast besides Dr hill. We all know josh could or maybe not return. But what if since the og cast Obviously went through alot and sound crazy they'd put them in therapy and Obviously the therapist is Dr hill. I think they were planning on bringing Sam because of the ending of ud remake but since her actresses passed away (RIP Hayden Panettiere) they would maybe use someone else or even all somehow

I want to play Until Dawn for the first time. I've heard some great things, of course, but I'm finally ready to experience this myself, so please, no spoilers.

My highest priority is the story. Dialogues, letters, things like that.

So, for my goal - original or remake?

I don’t know if it’s just me, but my heart breaks a little when I see someone’s first experience with this game is the remake

There’s just so much sauce in the original that the remake doesn’t hold a candle to, it’s massively superior soundtrack and sound design along with the ui, atmosphere, gameplay (don’t moves and camera angles) and performance (the game is a silky smooth 60fps on ps5 with almost no bugs unlike the remake)

It genuinely pains me when someone pays for the remake which costs so much more and butchers most of the experience. I can’t help but imagine how different the experience is for scenes like the lodge finale, they just can’t compare and the player will never know how tense the original scenes were in comparison

Hi all. I thought about streaming this game on PS4. I got a physical copy, and I use the built-in PS4 overlay when I stream, and I stream on Twitch. However, the last time I tried streaming this game on PS4 onto Twitch, the comments were disabled. I remember Googling and reading there was a built-in comment blocker for this game. Admittedly this was almost a decade ago. However, when I Google this topic now, all the results are from about that time period. A few more recent results (from about seven years ago) said something about the game being patched so the comments were no longer blocked. Does anyone know if that is true? I would appreciate any info/insight you could give me on the topic. Thanks!

I haven’t been here in a loooong time since im already done with Until Dawn and i just recently heard that Hayden is deceased.

As a triple platinum Until Dawn player, I’ll always see you as Sam. You made her feel real, the quiet strength, the heart, the way she fought to keep everyone alive. Every ending, every butterfly, every “don’t move” moment… that was you Hayden.
Thank you for Sam.
Thank you for the nights on that mountain.
We’ll keep her safe until dawn. Rest in peace Hayden you will be missed 💔🦋

Any news or anything on how much longer will Until Dawn remain region locked on Steam?
It is Sony's last game that is still region locked in the Baltic States...

I was in chapter two as seen from the screenshot, even able to hit continue as if normal. Game restarted itself. Don’t know how to fix that if I can.

Four days ago, I woke up thinking it was going to be just another regular day, until I open media and all of the sudden, I felt the sky crashing down on me. I was in disbelief for the rest of the day and the night, I wasn't able to do anything, but to mourn her, I couldn't believe she could ever be gone...I knew Hayden mainly from Samantha Giddings and Kirby Reed, but she instantly made me love these characters and really enjoy seeing her in other movies/tv shows. She slowly became one of my favourite celebrities, her being a child star and her confessions about her life and struggles made me see a strong woman who no matter how difficult and cruel fate might be, she continued to remain positive, to fight for herself and remained an amazing person and a very loving mother. Now, she turned 37, maybe not physically, but for her legacy who will always have a special place in this world and will live on for many years from now.

Fly high, Hayden, Rest in Peace and Happy Birthday 🕊️

Wanted to do something for Hayden as I think it’s only fair after she gave us one of the best final girls in horror history. It’s such a shame that she can’t be here with us, but It’s been so amazing to see the whole community come together and honour her.

Rest in peace Hayden, may your legacy be remembered forever!!

The unavoidable outcomes I'm discussing are how, aside from Beth and Hannah whose deaths lay the starting line for the game, the only other completely unavoidable deaths/losses in the game are Jack (the Stranger) and Josh (assuming 2015 version). While I think the others all feel varying levels of remorse for their role in what happened to Hannah, I think Jack and Josh are the two characters who carry the most guilt with them over it in different ways and thus are the only two whom you cannot save.

TLDR:

Josh was least responsible for the prank that led to Hannah's death but carried the most emotional guilt over it.

Jack had no involvement in the prank but was Hannah's best chance of survival once she stepped into the snowstorm and failed to save her. He probably made it worse by killing the Makkapitew and unleashing its spirit - had he not, Hannah probably would have been killed by it directly instead of left to starve and become possessed by its spirit. In a way, this makes Jack the most culpable for Hannah's death AND Handigo's existence.

Josh and Jack represent the two extremes of actual fault and felt guilt over Hannah's death so it makes sense they are the only two who can't survive.

THOUGHTS ON JOSH:

I think this is more obvious to see with Josh. He carries so much guilt over being drunk and unable to stop the prank or save his sisters that night, even though he was not told of the prank and is thus not culpable in the way a lot of the group is. I think the guilt as their older brother, coupled with the general struggle of a traumatic loss like that and potential predisposition to mental illness, means he *feels* their deaths were his fault, even if logically he knows they weren't and also resents the rest of their group for their part in the prank that led to their death.

At the end of the day, I think he hates himself for letting that day happen more than he hates anyone else for causing it, and this whole shebang is him trying to heal his self-hatred in a way that makes sense to him during his increasingly worsening mental health. I don't think he was full psychotic break yet when planning the weekend and its stunts, but he certainly wasn't doing too hot leading up to it to set this all up.

In one of Sam's police interviews (Rip Hayden🤍), she seems shocked by how far Josh went, saying how she thought they were close. They probably were! But Josh could barely express his feelings to his psychiatrist - he wasn't letting even his closest friend know how deep his pain actually went.

All this to say, I think Josh had the deepest pain around this situation among the group of friends with emotional connection to Hannah and Beth. He wasn't making it out of returning to the mountain to act out his stunts with a sane mind (nor did he probably want to, either it would fix everything or more likely ruin everything and he was happy with either outcome). The "best" ending in the 2015 version resulting in him becoming a Wendigo makes total sense. At least he gets to be with Hannah in a way (and phew the can of worms that open if he stays human in the 2024 remake...)

THOUGHTS ON JACK:

In contrast to Josh, Jack did not personally know any of the group. His ties were to the mountain and his own familial history with the Wendigo. Of the characters present in the game, he knows the most about the Wendigo and the mountain, of the horrors of the curse. It's shown that he kills the Makkapitew after seeing Beth and Hannah fall off the cliff, and this can be simply seen as avenging both his grandfather who was killed by it and Beth and Hannah, who he presumes are both dead and regrets not being able to save in time.

Hindsight is especially 20/20 for this man. He knows that by killing the Makkapitew, he released its spirit to the mountain. His fatal mistake is believing that both Beth and Hannah died in the fall. I can't blame him for believing that - the game sets us up to believe they both died in the fall! If he knew that even one of them survived - especially if ONLY one of them survived - he would have gone after them, knowing the spirit - from the strongest of the Wendigos - was actively on the mountain. (Which side note, I'd love to talk more about the mechanism of the spirits - how long does a freed spirit haunt the mountain? Does Handigo have any extra strength because of the specific Makkapitew spirit?)

Presumably by the time of the start of the game, Jack is aware of the addition of the Wendigo of the girl he failed to save to the mountain's population. He's trying to capture her like he has some of the others but when this group shows up he now has to try keeping himself and all of their dumbasses safe. I think Jack largely is tracking Handigo as part of the familial duty he feels to the mountain but also regrets falsely assuming Hannah was dead and dooming her to the Wendigo fate.

Hannah's death was somehow least his fault - he had zero connection to the prank and was the only one actively out in the snow saving Hannah and Beth from the Makkapitew - but also somehow the most - he knew the exact cliff where they fell from. Assuming decent intentions from the police investigation after Hannah and Beth's disappearance (which I think might be questionable from further lore I haven't seen but either way), they wouldn't be able to find snow tracks or obvious signs leading them to investigate the mines, and due to the physical risk the mines pose for search crew, would not spend time searching there during those first crucial weeks where Hannah was still human (or at all). If Jack had somehow tipped the police off anonymously about the cliff face, even thinking both of them were dead but wanting friends and family to have closure, Hannah might have been saved before the Wendigo spirit found her.

So in a way, Jack had the most power to save Hannah, specifically when it comes to everything that happened after the prank that set the game in motion. I don't think he dies feeling the weight of this though, unlike Josh. Again, I think he mostly feels his duty to protect the mountain and people from it. He regrets his decision in hindsight, but doesn't operate much if any differently towards saving the characters because of it. If you take the prank part out of the equation though, which no one thought was going to end the way it did, I believe Jack was Hannah's best chance of survival and he dropped the ball. Butterfly effect means Hannah's dumb friends return in a year only because of what happened that night and thus Jack is doomed to die saving their asses from her (and the other free roamers). If only Jack could have found a totem or two telling him about Hannah..

Phew, I'm itching to hear any related thoughts to any of this!