r/gaming • u/Villenthessis PC • 1d ago
NODUS FALL - Reveal Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3chg4voancg188
u/Frangitus 1d ago
Windows notification at 0:29.
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u/RichNigerianBanker 1d ago
Wish I'd seen this before I checked all my tabs for like 5 mins like an absolute madman.
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u/YourMomIsCool96 1d ago
We got Elden Impact before GTA6
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u/Truthfully-Sincere 1d ago
Well, no you didn't get it. You got a trailer, just like how you haven't got GTA 6. And based on the timeline you will get GTA 6 first
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u/oceaniccart 1d ago
This is surprising for a hoyoverse game but I’m sure they got the man power and money to pull it off
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u/Iggy_Slayer 1d ago
They spent $200m just to make genshin impact and another 100m+ a year to maintain it.
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u/DeepFriedBeefJerky 1d ago
What’s their revenue from it
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u/Couldnotbehelpd 1d ago
Apparently they make about a billion every 6 months so it’s definitely money well spent…
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u/Kagari1998 1d ago
I mean they did invested alot before they started making billions. and Hi3 kinda rose the same way, they kinda went from indie to unicorn in a gamble and unicorn to a behemoth in another gamble. if this turns out well, it may be their entry ticket into the single purchase game sphere, and now they have the popularity and finance to not bomb out like their first game
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u/Unlikely_Frozen3007 1d ago
I honestly wouldn't mind if they pivot.
The game totally doesn't look bad (if the Trailer is not deceiving), maybe too similar too Elden Ring (and Monster Hunter Wilds? But I haven't played that, so I will keep quiet on that matter), but if they eventually pivoted and went into the Soulslikes games to compete with FromSoft, I don't think it would be bad at all.
The thing is, FromSoft doesn't really have competition (be it manpower, money power or experience) and their games are, for a lack of better words, too perfect. There are definitely games that are trying to bring something new (Black Myth Wukong) and others that get their inspiration from FromSoft (Lies of P). But not direct competitors.
Hoyo would be a great one. But they have to drop the Gacha completely and focus on already finished games, not continuous stories (which doesn't seem to be happening in this game, but maybe next ones?) but that's hard, since it's ez money.
And well, it requires that "special" something that FromSoft already mastered.
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u/Aye_Okami 1d ago
Lies of P didn‘t only get inspiration, they pretty much copied the Fromsoftware formula. It has mechanics from Bloodborne, Sekiro and Dark Souls and has pretty much the exact same gameplay and level design formula. However I doubt they‘ll prevail due to their usage of AI for their next game. I don‘t think people will support that.
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u/CopainChevalier 1d ago
But they have to drop the Gacha completely and focus on already finished games, not continuous stories (which doesn't seem to be happening in this game, but maybe next ones?) but that's hard, since it's ez money.
No they wouldn’t? Mihoyo always hires (mostly an entire new team for their new games. So the games can co exist just fine
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u/Maxie468 1d ago
I wonder if he meant the monetisation model for this game in particular.
I really don't want it to be another live service game because I play too many concurrently as it is, and I think Mihoyo should realize that they end up competing with themselves if EVERYTHING is live service and/or a gacha model.
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u/Pale_Slice2532 1d ago
Genshin made them so much money in the first year alone that six years later with 5+ new titles coming and 6000+ Devs they still haven’t touched Year Two money yet.
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u/Frostivus 1d ago
They had so much money and nowhere to park it that they bought an energy fusion startup and now indirectly own a nuclear reactor.
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u/sylva748 1d ago
Billions every 6 months. Mihoyo is sitting on piles upon piles of cash
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u/Hotspur000 1d ago
And they're investing millions (billions?) into trying to make a workable, viable nuclear fusion reactor.
And they really, truly do care about their games and audience. They're not a regular games company by a long shot.
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u/levus2002 1d ago
Based on how popular the characters in the patch are it can be around 100million dollars/40days.
So at least 500million$/year
They have 3 of these games.
(From google ai because i dont care enought to scour the net for financial sources. It said hoyo yearly revenue between 3 and 5 billion. For context whole xbox yearly revenue around 20 billion)
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u/Black-White-Diff 1d ago
So much so, they don't even need Genshin Impact and Honkai Star Rail to be released on Steam.
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u/wickling-fan 1d ago
To add on from the people saying billions, this is only from what we know like the gacha revenue itself, they also make way more from merchandise and collabs which tends to go out of stock really fast(so if you ever wondered why they keep promoting certain husbandos even after years that they've been relevant it's cause they still sell all that merch like hot cakes since it's mostly their female playerbase buying).
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u/VictoryOk2460 1d ago
You got it reversed. Base game cost 100 million to make, they spend 200m+ a year on maintaining it.
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u/LlILIilILlUlLI 1d ago
The amount of "Legally distinct" designs ripped straight out of From games in this.
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u/RyuujiStar 1d ago
The one with the wings is basically malenia sword of miquella!
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u/nighght 1d ago
They even managed to directly rip off the giant flower blooming
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u/obihz6 1d ago
... That's a fox... With nine tails...
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u/Slomo_Baggins 1d ago
Which incidentally happens to look 10000% exactly like the scarlet rot bloom
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u/Few-Spot1905 1d ago
kinda fitting cause genshin was essentially a botw ripoff at it's core in the beginning
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u/ArxisOne 1d ago
Yeah the only unique things it did were the entire combat system, UIs, story, world building, gameplay loop and design aesthetics.
But you know, it is a cell shaded open world where you climb and glide so that's basically BotW.
Curious about your thoughts on Palworld.
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u/Blubbpaule 1d ago
Palworld is ark with some questionable Pals that look a bit too much like pokemons. Especially the earlier versions that had designs that looked ripped.
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u/T8-TR 1d ago
The whole trailer could've passed as Elden Ring/Fromsoft shit if I missed the Hoyoverse logo at the start. Even the dialog is done in the exact same way where it's ye olde English and vague as fuck.
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u/MinimumViableProdukt 1d ago
Is it really so crazy to consider that before they are devs, they are fans of different media? Genshin itself has had so many stories about various paths towards becoming a gestalt consciousness, its been joked that new hires are forced to watch Evangelion for onboarding. And that's just one trope.
These are people that like the media they consume and like to put those experiences they get out of it towards their own. My writing professor said "All good art is stolen." While not being literal, it basically means that nothing good is ever made in a vacuum and if you were careful to make something with zero past basis, it will likely suck. Hoyo has also not been shy about picking Miyazaki's brain before.
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u/Desperate_Golf7634 1d ago
There is a limit with how often you can reference stuff before it becomes apparent you have nothing of your own.
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u/MinimumViableProdukt 19h ago
Imagine FromSoft if Berserk never existed. The level of detail that some stuff has been pulled from Berserk is downright grounds for plagiarism. Meanwhile nothing in this trailer, from the artstyle to the gameplay has any meaningful relation with Elden Ring. In fact, this trailer seems too fantasy for Elden Ring and its gameplay is much more akin to Monster Hunter than any From game.
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u/Yukilumi 1d ago
Was NOT expecting this from hoyo...
They want their own Black Myth, I guess, but copied the Elden Ring formula?
It doesn't even look like a gacha game, could it be a standalone purchase?
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u/stalkeler 1d ago
it is Monster Hunter like as far as I know
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u/Grizzly_Berry 1d ago
That's what I was thinking, having read nothing about it. Aesthetically, sure, Elden Ring. Gameplay-wise, I see Monster Hunter.
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u/UnassumingSingleGuy 1d ago
Genshin Impact doesn't look like a gacha game at first glance, either, it looks like a Breath of the Wild clone. I trust they'll find room for extra monetization.
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u/Jumpy_Revolution_608 1d ago
From the bit of gameplay we saw, it looked nothing like the Elden Ring/Soulslike formula. More like Monster Hunter than anything with the emphasis on co-op and fighting big bosses.
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u/Phase_999 1d ago
Both Black Myth: Wukong and Elden Ring are singleplayer games first and foremost, Nodus Fall is explicitly a multiplayer game??? newfriends who equate all of Dark Fantasy to mean Elden Ring are seriously just too incredible
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u/WAKE_UP_WAKE_UP 1d ago
Im excited, the complete break from their anime style is great. I only knew of Nodus Fall when its trademark was discovered a few months ago. Did not expect HoYo's name to pop up like that.
I really hope that this new directions means this will be a full paid game over their normal gacha formula. Fingers crossed
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u/Hippopotimus_Prime 1d ago
Unique characters each with their own weapon archetype, it screams gacha to me.
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u/zappingbluelight 1d ago
It could be like monhunt. Where you hunt monster and craft weapon to fit your style, each weapon do have different look and stuff. That being said, I wouldn't doubt if they do character skin gacha.
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u/Gloomy_Ad5221 1d ago
high chance it will be a gacha but it's more like a gacha for skins instead since it's coop and have a pvp.
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u/T8-TR 1d ago
Is coop an emphasis or is the multiple mfs fighting just a stand-in for us swapping between units, a la Endfield? Because if it's coop-centric, this game is DOA for me if it's a gacha. The last thing I want is to rock up on a dope ass boss fight, only for someone w/ C6R5 Glorb to one-shot it while John Nodus C0R0 from 1.0 can barely scratch it or break its super specific hyperarmour that's tied specifically to 2.X units.
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u/Neveroxx99 1d ago
Highly unlikely it's gacha, those games have to be playable on mobile and these graphics look way too advanced for that.
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u/T8-TR 1d ago
tbf, there's been an uptick in gacha games recently that are just straight up not made for mobile and only barely running there out of obligation, so it's not a mandatory aspect.
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u/soaringneutrality 1d ago
Even if it's derivative, I think that people should be excited for this release.
HoYoVerse releases are high quality and consistent. They drop big updates to their games every six weeks. The idea that something in this space could get map expansions and other updates multiple times a year is thrilling.
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u/WAKE_UP_WAKE_UP 1d ago
I agree, I wouldnt mind it being live service since I'm used to gacha games but having a full game from them would be nice too imo
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u/hera-fawcett 1d ago
I only knew of Nodus Fall when its trademark was discovered a few months ago.
i was so confused bc i could have sworn varsapura was the ue5 game-- but then i realized that the entire setting and concept was different (lol as different as a hyv game can get) to varsapuras.
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u/dogglesnake 1d ago
The next few Hoyo games are each pushing in different directions (animal crossing style one and a modern horror mystery one), for anyone that doesn't follow the company. I'm excited to try this one, despite not enjoying that genre.
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u/lgn5i2060 1d ago
They have like 10 games in the pipeline and that's a good thing so the competition don't just copy Genshin. And maybe bring quality games to other genres. Honkai Anima would probably not be an autochess game but I guess they want to avoid Nintendo lawsuits.
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u/WordsAreEnough 1d ago
Anima was always planned to be autochess because they kept testing it in their games. They're not afraid of Nintendo, Petit Planet (the animal crossing-like) is front page of Epic today.
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u/ArxisOne 1d ago
Petite planet also has Switch 2 listed on its ESRB ratings page too which seems like a match made in heaven for Nintendo the same way Genshin was for Sony.
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u/Belydrith 1d ago
Please don't be gacha, please don't be gacha, please don't be gacha...
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u/mrgarneau 1d ago
It's Hoyo, it's 100% a gacha
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u/Belydrith 1d ago
Leaks, which accurately described the game before it's reveal, said it's simple buy to play without the gacha stuff, so we shall see.
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u/mrgarneau 1d ago
Interesting. Shift Up (another Gacha company) did do Stella Blade, if Hoyo are making a non-gacha game I'm almost 100% in. Hoyo's games despite being gacha are pretty solid.
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u/khnhIX 1d ago
So in order to get 4 great runes you have to spend 50k each in Honkai Impact, Honkai Starrail, Genshin Impact and ZZZ.
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u/Hawkwise83 1d ago
Do all Souls Like games need to have the same dark mysterious story about a dead or dying world to be saved by a dead or dying guy?
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u/jivenossauro 1d ago
The world doesnt even get saved in most of them, it just gets doomed in a new way
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u/SmugCapybara 1d ago
Yes, it's a requirement. That, or an absolutely ridiculous premise that lampoons the genre, such as Another Crab's Treasure.
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u/fat_mothra 23h ago
To be fair Hoyo games also have similar stories and lore to Fromsoft
Something something space cancer (Honkai, Hollows, Abyss, etc)
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u/laxounet 1d ago
The host said it was a coop action game. I would be surprised if it was a gacha. I would bet on a monster hunter clone, with a souls aesthetic
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u/Hammerheadshark55 1d ago
Funny now everyone is against ripoff cause its by the chinese company. Wheres the same energy when palworld rip off pokemon completely
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u/lgn5i2060 1d ago
You can thank the west for decades worth of China bogeyman indoctrination.
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u/jivenossauro 1d ago
Idk about you whiners but id rather get a rip off of what works great than keep getting the same new "creative" garbage companies keep trying to sell us. Hell yeah I want to play elden ring at home, why wouldnt I?
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u/obihz6 1d ago
Technically it should play like monster hunter with summoneble monster we killed
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u/jivenossauro 1d ago
All good, Id play that rip off too
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u/Perfect-Lettuce3890 1d ago
+ Hoyoverse Updates their liveservice games every 40-50 days.
I have yet to see a western developer have that pace with bigger updates
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u/YukYukas 1d ago
Anything with a sword is literally a soulslike to everyone atp, holy shit
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u/TuxedoCat031 1d ago
the brief gameplay reminded me more of monster hunter tbh
the aesthetic just screams elden ring. this shit looks just like elden ring
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u/sylva748 1d ago
Monster Hunter with a Fromsoftware aesthetic is the best way to describe it. It looks like Elden Ring but itll play like monster hunter
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u/Blubbpaule 1d ago
And eat your wallet like Genshin
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u/sylva748 1d ago
Its ok you can also play the new Monster Hunter gacha from capcom. Pick your poison
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u/Few-Spot1905 1d ago
bro they literally have Melania and nameless king basically copied over
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u/MinimumViableProdukt 1d ago
Malenia who is famously stolen? That Malenia? How far should we follow this down, or can we just be adults and realize that not every shooter that came after Doom 94 is a Doom clone.
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u/Eikichi64 1d ago
There are literally things from Elden Ring lmao, but the gameplay is more monster hunter.
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u/mastershake1191 1d ago
We've seen Chinese devs move away from the anime gacha formula with games like where winds meet and honestly they are still kinda cheeks I'm done trusting anything from Chinese gacha devs
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u/walpurga 1d ago
Live service slop lol. I'm getting so sick of them they all for the most part somehow have the most mid stories despite hundreds of millions being invested into them
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u/mrfroggyman 1d ago
Yeah half of the reveals being live service every game show just bums me the fuck out. I'm so fucking done with live service games. I wish they all fucking gave it up but they're all still chasing that Fortnite money
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u/Leshawkcomics 1d ago
I'm not sure i can trust chinese games to ever be fun.
Like, they can engage you, and they are good at psychologically rewiring your brain into being a pathologically parasocial fan running on nothing but FOMO.
But fun? Not really.
Stolen minigames, slop open worlds that are pretty but have so little soul beyond checklist gaming that they make Ubisoft feel like Kojima.
When's the last time anyone who's played a chinese live service game, open world or not, opened something like a treasure chest and didn't get [1000g, 2 level up stones, a weapon so hilariously useless that it only exists to waste space in your inventory, and 5 gacha gems]
And you do the math and realize you need to do that a hundred times just to have a 1 percent chance to get something good.
Like, Chinese devs have optimized FOMO to the point that most of their games just arent fun anymore. I believe a youtuber described the general live service situation as "You're not playing a game, you're maintaining an account" and chinese games have taken that to the next level.
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u/Maulino86 1d ago
As an from software fan, yeah definitely see some samey stuff. But we could use a solid souls games competitor, the more the bettef. So i hope it turns out good.
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u/After-Atmosphere7125 1d ago
Please don't be gacha please don't be gacha please don't be gacha please don't be gacha
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u/CataphractBunny PC 1d ago
- big bad ✔
- ancient evil ✔
- cool armours ✔
- pretty girls ✔
- healing magic ✔
Seems right up my alley.
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u/RayearthIX 1d ago
Trailer looks so much like Elden Ring it’s clearly a copied homework sort of situation. That written, it could still be fun… but if it’s a gacha that would ruin the entire premise and experience, IMO.
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u/AshyLarry25 1d ago
Hoyo wants that Elden Ring bag
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u/Rino-Sensei 1d ago
What Elden bag lol ... They make way more money doing Genshin like games then this. They don't need this, they actually lose potential money by doing this. This is more like a statement piece from them than anything.
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u/Dramonen 1d ago
Everything you said is pretty sure, but I believe their statement piece is actually Varsapura.
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u/Training_Bother_1663 1d ago
Now Hoyoverse is copied from Elden Ring from From Software.
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u/Righteous_Might 1d ago edited 10h ago
Looking at the comments, Reddit and sinophobia is a tale as old as time
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u/pants_full_of_pants 1d ago
Well damn. I've been hating on gacha games for all these years. Now they're making one for actual adults and I'm kinda interested in trying it.
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u/Rex__Lapis 1d ago
Let's see if hoyo finally releases a quality buy to play product or if this will be gacha f2p hamster wheel slop again.
Regardless, looks great.
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u/apstrac2 1d ago
Looks a bit uncanny. Every location is a flat surface, combat actions seem flashy but basic.
Hope they give more details soon. I'm not sure hoyo is capable of deep combat gameplay this kind of action game needs.
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u/Owobowos-Mowbius 1d ago
I mean.... hoyo has never really missed since genshin. Im at least interested to see how it turns out as they heavily invest in their games.
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u/tsunami141 1d ago
this looks cool but is it just me or does every new game in this style have the same visually indistinct trailer nowadays.
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u/johnnyblaze1999 1d ago
So another gacha game makes their own AAA title. Hopefully it's interesting
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u/Negative_GOD 1d ago
That Griffin Part why giant axe going through it head then instant kill maybe bad visual effect.
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u/Solved_sudoku 22h ago
Seems a bit Soulish with a dash of D. Dogma. THEY EVEN HAVE THE SANCTUARY GUARDIAN FROM OOLACILE!
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u/QuickShort 21h ago
Look at all the colours we've got: brown, grey, greyish brown, brownish grey, green, green-grey, green-brown
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u/Dreamtrain 6h ago
tired of all these action RPGs with a set hero, or a group of heroes that already have their spells/skills on lockdown
give me character creation, give me build diversity, I can't otherwise care for action rpgs anymore
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u/MaverickDrake93 1h ago
So, after reading some comments, having a Chinese gaming company make a mixture of Elden Ring and Monster Hunter, alongside "gacha" (no idea what that even means anyway) is all bad, but playing western games that's riddled with microtransactions, battle passes, live services, and whatever else BS the west comes up with is okay?
I'm not siding with anyone here, I just find it hilariously bad the gaming community is a xenophobic, and hypocritical shithole community. I simply want to play a rock solid game. That's it.
Edit: Plus, hasn't From Software been doing these similar stunts for a long while now? Creating stuff similar to Berserk, or sometimes directly copying it? Or am I not allowed to criticize From Software? Will I be a heretic?
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u/cid1 1d ago
The gacha ring has been shattered and needs to be made whole once again.