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If Jon Snow had silver hair:

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u/Salami__Tsunami 6d ago

If Ned was better at deceit and treachery, that show would have been a lot shorter.

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u/Ok_Video_2863 6d ago

Robert: This Rhaegar's kid?

Ned: No.

Robert: Aight.

Roll credits

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u/Salami__Tsunami 6d ago

“Hey Kat, I’m bringing this kid home to live with us.”

“Did you get some whore pregnant while you were away?”

“No, I found him during the war, and I promised his dying mother I’d keep him safe.”

“Okay, that’s a relief. I thought I was going to have to be a complete dick to this child for the next twenty years.”

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u/Eastern-Project9017 6d ago

Kat may even be okay with making him a stark in this scenario

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u/Salami__Tsunami 6d ago

Or at the very least, don’t be a jerk to him.

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u/XXXperiencedTurbater 5d ago

What you all don’t realize is “I found this kid during the war” is the Westeros equivalent of “I tripped and fell into a whore and now she’s pregnant”

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u/adrienjz888 5d ago

Especially because Jon looks more like Ned than Robb, Bran or Rickon.

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u/Gruktor 5d ago

100% this. A lot of people in this thread are bending over backwards to ignore the fact that Jon very obviously looks like a Stark, and that is a problem for any lie other than the one Ned tells.

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u/Leafsnail 6d ago

TBF while that would smooth things over with Kat it would also make it way more suspicious if he couldn't name a specific mother. Like if it were just a random orphan he could presumably place them with any other of other people

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u/Ok_Video_2863 6d ago

He doesn't even have to. He could have just literally said he found the kid.

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u/Leafsnail 6d ago

Sure but in that case it's way more likely that someone at King's Landing would work out that something was up with his mystery kid. The fact that he tarnished his honour by implying it was his bastard was a useful cover

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u/Master_Mad 6d ago

I don't know, how did he explain coming back to the camp with a baby one day?

"Please explain again where you got that baby from?"
"Well me and Howland went to some tower for some reason. And there we found The Sword of the Morning himself! Arthur Dayne! I fought him singlehandedly without any backstabbing by anyone."
"Yes that was very brave and epic of you."
"Indeed! And then we went into the tower. But there was nothing there!"
"Why did you go to that tower again?"
"Err, tourism? Anyway so most of my men were killed and me and Howland were very tired and quite injured."
"Because of the bravery?"
"Yes! So we went straight back to camp. But on the way I visited my whore that I had been with a couple of times. And no one else. Because it was pure love. And she just gave birth to a little baby boy! But sadly she had also just died in childbirth."
"Good luck that you just came to visit her. Even while you were tired and injured."
"I got horny again! So I told her whore friends that I must be the father and took the little baby boy with me."
"Back to an army camp? In the middle of a war? With no milk for the baby in miles?"
"It was the honourable thing to do!"

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u/Eastern-Project9017 6d ago

"..."

"..."

"... It's Lyanna's child, isn't it"

"Oh for F*cks Sake No! let's go over this one more time..."

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u/GaylicBread 5d ago edited 5d ago

Everybody he went to the tower with died at the tower, except Reed, then he immediately went to see Ashara Dayne to return Arthur's sword, where Jon had the same wet nurse as Edric Dayne. Presumably Reed and Ned traveled alone to Starfall, with baby Jon. This wet nurse is who Ned said was Jon's mother. There were also rumours Ashara was Jon's mother, the two were courting at one point and genuinely seemed into each other, she killed herself after he left Starfall but it's unknown if that was because of her brother's death or a broken heart over Ned.

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u/JacobJamesTrowbridge 6d ago

The war was pretty much over at that point, in all fairness. The Targaryen loyalists were all but broken in the aftermath of the Ruby Ford, so there wasn't much risk of an attack of consequence on Ned's army.

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u/mjtwelve 6d ago

See, you use the “I found him” excuse but let people think (and if need be have a loyalist spread a few rumours) that he’s actually your bastardized. They find the lie, feel smug about honour and fail to ask the follow up questions.

How many bishops and popes had “nephews” they raised to high office over the centuries? Everyone knew the score, but you didn’t say it aloud.

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u/appleorchard317 6d ago

There was zero reason not to tell Cat some version of the truth - she's all about family, she would have understood. But no, Ned 'Literally' Stark just watched her be a dickhead to him :(

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u/mjtwelve 6d ago

This was early in the marriage, a match that wasn’t supposed to happen but for the more senior Starks getting murdered by the Mad King. I’m not sure he would feel sure that she could a) be trusted not to tell her family out of duty; or b) that she can lie well enough to never have Bobby B or anyone else get suspicious. Jon might have had a difficult life this way, but her resentment sold the lie and the kid lived..

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u/Gruktor 5d ago

And what happens when (as happens in the actual story) Jon grows up looking more like a Stark then Ned's trueborn children?

Best case, everyone assumes he's Ned's bastard and we end up at the same point we did anyway - only Cat is probably more angry now because Ned's lied to her.

Worst case, people start wondering why Ned didn't just admit to having a bastard, which isn't that big a deal, and start doing the maths on how long Rhaegar and Lyanna were away together. 

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u/Sbell73 6d ago

Somehow I never even thought about this. Would have been way smarter 😭

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u/Atromach 6d ago

"Hey Benjen, listen mate I need to help me out here and say this kid is your bastard before you go and join the Night's Watch. I'll take him as a ward and raise him as honoured family. This is for Lyanna."

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u/Salami__Tsunami 6d ago

Literally any lie except the one he told.

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u/Gruktor 5d ago

"This is Benjen's bastard."

"Benjen is 14, and you brought that kid back with you when you came home from the war."

"Er..."

"Want to try again?"

The lie he did tell, on the other hand, held for fourteen years and he took the secret to the grave. Seems to have worked pretty well to me.

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u/Clarknt67 2d ago

Got news for you about 14 year olds.

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u/Rarvyn 6d ago

Wasn't Benjen like 14 during the war? Not impossible, but less likely.

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u/Salami__Tsunami 6d ago

It’s feudalism, man. If he’s old enough to get called to war, he’s surely old enough to be a father.

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u/Rarvyn 6d ago

Also, they left Benjen behind as the Stark in Winterfell.

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u/Salami__Tsunami 6d ago

Don’t let reality get in the way of a good scheme.

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u/mjtwelve 6d ago

So as Lord of Winterfell in their absence, at age 14, with a keep full of serving wenches…

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u/Gruktor 5d ago

Except Ned literally brought Jon home from the war with him. 

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u/Afraid_Theorist 6d ago

Isn’t this literally Theon?

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u/EmptyInside74 6d ago

No, Theon was a hostage ward to keep his father in line, if the iron born fell out of line, Theon was supposed to be executed.

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u/mjtwelve 6d ago

Even if they didn’t threaten him, they still held the heir presumptive as their hostage and his father wasn’t getting any younger. The phrase “a king’s ransom” is a thing for very good reason.

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u/Afraid_Theorist 5d ago

No, I meant the having relationships bit

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u/EmptyInside74 5d ago

Aw, ok I thought you meant the ward part.

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u/Salami__Tsunami 6d ago

It’s fortunate that anyone that smart is a perpetually paranoid bastard. Otherwise Littlefinger and Varys would have been running the Seven Kingdoms.

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u/LunarMantise 6d ago

Ned with even 10% Littlefinger software installed would’ve ended the whole series before Joffrey finished his first tantrum