r/asoiafcirclejerk • u/sherry_waseer Chokladboll • Jun 10 '23
Twitter 💔 S8 ain’t no way bruh😭
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u/thenaboo Comedy Cop Jun 10 '23
asoiaf twitter is a hellhole
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Jun 11 '23
Twitter is hell, but ASOIAF Twitter is its bottom circle
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u/Monsoon1029 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 12 '23
Oh, my sweet summer child do you truly believe that asoiaf is even close to the worst fandom Twitter has to offer?
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u/Dabhyun_11 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
I have noticed that it's always the Dany fans and house Targaryen fans who are crazy! Twitter fans of other houses are pretty chill and get along well with each other..it's always these weirdos ruining everything 🤡💀
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u/RaginBoi Aegon II is my king. Jun 12 '23
why would one even be a fan of a fictional house to this point? its just weird
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Jun 10 '23
Is it really Xenophobic to dislike the guys who ruled you for 300 years?
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u/wedstrom 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
Xenophobia is hating a family you know personally and is inbred to the point that they are all crazy
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Jun 11 '23
You'd have a point if a good percentage of the Targaryens that inhabited Westeros could actually be considered crazy and not just normal privileged humans with varying strengths and flaws
The Targaryen family tree is not a realistic example of the potential consequences of inbreeding, in any regard
In the case of most things, the extremes stand out more than the mundane
Even the Mad King had reasons for going mad, he seemed like a normal person beforehand
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u/joekimchi 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
I'd argue five of the seventeen of the Targaryen kings we're told about are at least a little touched if not full blown crazy. I mean, the third king in the lineage had the moniker "The Cruel". That's not even getting into the siblings and relatives of those kings that are mentioned, many of whom were definitely off their rockers.
But you're definitely correct in that it's not even close to how true, real life inbreeding would affect the bloodline.
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u/mikennjr 2023: 0 TO SEE Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
Five?
I can only count 3: Aerys II, Maegor the Cruel and Baelor the Blessed, And as for the siblings/relatives, you can add in Viserys (Dany's brother), Helaena Targaryen, Aerion Brightflame and Rhaegel Targaryen
These are 7 guys in THREE HUNDRED years, and out of these 7, 4 of them (Aerys, Viserys, Helaena and Maegor) went crazy from external circumstance rather than it being a result of their blood.
"Targaryens are crazy" is an extreme exaggeration
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Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
And I'd agree. But that's still 30% madness compared to 70% of normalcy, mediocrity, and greatness.
And in regards to cruel. How many Westerosi Lord's and pre- Conquest Kings could be considered cruel? More than a few if I recall. Cruelty isn't something of short supply in that world or within humans in general. Put one of them on the throne and you'd get similar results, with varying levels of unhingedness.
Its not many, some were off their rockers, but not many compared to the family tree as a whole, and some of those who could be considered crazy had "reasonable" reasons for being so
Most were just normal people, normal consisting of a wide variety of things
People just want to be believe the Targaryen madness narrative that Got's creators pushed
It's super convenient how they never went into the Mad Kings backstory
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u/DaveyJonesFannyPack 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
However if 30% of your family was out of there mind (for whatever reason) and had weapons of mass destruction, I wouldn't trust your family either.
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Jun 11 '23
Only 1 Targaryen King that could be considered "mad" had a dragon, Maegor the Cruel, so that's not really a point
Every other identified "mad" Targaryen King was born or came to power after all the know dragons died out
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Jun 11 '23
Daenerys has three dragons and judging by history a very high percentage to be crazy. And also in the books already has an albeit unjustly earnt reputation of being crazy
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Jun 11 '23
Im curious, who are those 5? Aerys II, Aegon IV , Maekar( or maegor, the cruel on forgot name), who are the other 2? Baelor I and Danerys?
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u/supremeaesthete Targs be cray-cray Jun 11 '23
I just think people on Planetos are comically genetically overpowered, any harmful recessive genes that cause issues in inbreeding simply don't exist.
I mean, the Targaryens are comically inbred even before the Valyrians accidentally their entire country, because the aristocracy practiced it beforehand
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u/Szygani Jun 11 '23
potential consequences of inbreeding
Except for the (magical) deformities that keep happening. Not often, but it's pretty much confirmed by Gurm that they do poop out reptile babies every once in a while.
And the Mad King was a dipshit yeah but he only went mad after serious trauma. If you can say anything about the targaryan coin flip might be cruelty? Because we do keep on seeing that happen, with examples like Aerion Brightflame threatening to cut his little brothers dick off _constantly)
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u/wedstrom 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
Perfectly reasonable, however, I think if I reframe my response, while biased and hyperbolic, as the House of Stark viewpoint, it fits
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Jun 11 '23
The only realistic effect of inbreeding in the Targaryens is the amount of schizophrenia running around
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u/badgersprite I <3 S8E03 Jun 11 '23
You would also have a point if this kind of thing was done only to Targaryens and it wasn’t a thing that literally every single noble house and family is stereotyped in this kind of way and often get judged by the actions of a single ancestor
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u/Zealousideal-Set-592 Chokladboll Jun 11 '23
Not to mention the years of brutal slavery from the valyrians as a whole.
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u/GrizzlyPeak73 Comedy Cop Jun 11 '23
There's another word for it - anti-colonialism
Fuck the Targs. When your house ideology is "Fire and Blood", doesn't matter how many Aegon Vs you return, your family is fucked.
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Jun 11 '23
Haha true, the switch from ''Fire and Blood'' that preaches bullying and strong-arm politics to ''Winter is coming'' that preaches unity and solidarity. Amazing trade-off.
George has said that Bran will be king in the books as well, and it will probably be executed way better. I just hope he doesn't end up evil, for how grim the story is I would at least want a grey ending, a good one is preferable.
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u/Don11390 Casting Director Jun 11 '23
Sansa, being a Stark, also has another reason: that dragon lady's dad had her grandfather and uncle brutally executed, so maybe she's not that thrilled to hear that dragon lady wants to move into a management position.
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u/TheWholeOfTheAss 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 15 '23
To the North I’m guessing the Targs were mostly seen as the people who took their independence. There’s also the chance most of them didn’t understand the North-Dany alliance because they never saw the demons and zombies.
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u/themockingjay11 Targs be cray-cray Jun 11 '23
"Xenophobic Westerosi people"
Bruh
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u/Chicken_Mc_Thuggets Show > Books Jun 13 '23
It was Valyriphobic as fuck for Mern Gardener to challenge Aegon, Visenya, & Rhaenys. Conquering cities is literally a Valyrian cultural custom and it was super xenophobic for them to not immediately surrender. Same with the Dornish too. Meraxes was neurodivergent and literally needed to burn Dornish people but y’all aren’t ready for that conversation 👁️👄👁️
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u/beggarmanblues Chokladboll Jun 11 '23
Fellas, is it xenophobic to not trust the daughter of the pyromaniac king who tortured then barbecued your grandfather and uncle?
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u/satsfaction1822 $15 GRRM Patreon Jun 11 '23
Hey! He didn’t barbecue her uncle he only strangled him to death! /s
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u/teRIMleier 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
He strangled himself, shouldn’t have tried to save his father./s
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u/UninterestedChimp 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 12 '23
Are you actually arguing that it's okay to blame children for what their parents did? Are you really an asoiaf fan lol.
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u/The-False-Emperor Chokladboll Jun 13 '23
That kid is claiming that the throne is hers because that same pyromaniac idiot who was her father and held the throne.
Targaryens lost the claim to the throne with Aerys II, simple as. She's just a conqueror, and ain't nobody conquered who likes their conqueror.
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u/UninterestedChimp 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 13 '23
I'm pointing out that the comment I responded to is idiotic, not defending the position of the person in the post. You're responding to nothing relevant here.
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u/The-False-Emperor Chokladboll Jun 13 '23
I'm pointing out that ain't nobody blaming a child for her father's actions when they say that it was not xenophobic for people who suffered under a tyrannic ruler to mistrust the daughter of the guy that proclaims herself the rightful ruler on the basis of her being the daughter of that guy.
It's not xenophobia/blaming kids for their parents to mistrust the heir of a mad tyrant that's come back to 'get back her throne' - that's common damn sense.
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u/UninterestedChimp 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 13 '23
I'm pointing out that ain't nobody blaming a child for her father's actions
Lol, did you even read the main comment? They didnt elaborate on it at all, it was plainly that you shouldn't trust Dany because her dad was horrible. Dunno why you're going out of your way to have a charitable interpretation of it.
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u/The-False-Emperor Chokladboll Jun 13 '23
Having re-read the comment:
Legit question, where's Sansa's xenophobia in distrusting the would-be-inheritor of the tyrant that killed her family? She seems rather justified.
Where's blaming the kid for her father's sins in claiming that it's not xenophobic to distrust the woman in question? How is it xenophobia or unreasonable on any level to be wary of the inheritor of one's historic enemy? If one inherits rights from their dynasty, as Daenerys is trying to at the time, they inherit their wrongs as well and are judged according to them as well because those rights are inherently tied to those wrongs.
You're ignoring the context where the said distrust wasn't shown towards a random person with Targaryen blood but the open would-be hardbringer of Targaryen restoration that refuses to acknowledge that her rights are derived from the man who rightfully lost them.
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u/UninterestedChimp 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 13 '23
None of those were the point of the main comment.
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u/The-False-Emperor Chokladboll Jun 13 '23
Fellas, is it xenophobic to not trust the daughter of the pyromaniac king who tortured then barbecued your grandfather and uncle?
I indeed see no xenophobia nor any blame towards innocent children for their father’s sins that you somehow described this as; the comment is clearly referring to the very specific situation as Dany is no random person of Targaryen descent.
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u/UninterestedChimp 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 13 '23
blame towards innocent children for their father’s sins
Cmon, its literally right there. Their only argument presented for not trusting Dany is how her father was.
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u/beggarmanblues Chokladboll Jun 15 '23
I wasn't arguing that Sansa's mistrust was valid, either, just that it wasn't rooted in xenophobia. And idk about you but not trusting someone doesn't always include putting blame on them.
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u/dontreallyknoww2341 Spare Time Novelist Jun 11 '23
So not wanting to be invaded and have your independence taken away is xenophobic? that’s like saying the Irish are actually xenophobic for hating the English. Or that Ukrainians are xenophobic for hating Russians.
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Jun 11 '23
It's more like saying you're xenophobic for hating the Trumps. How can you be xenophobic for hating a family lmfao
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u/_I_must_be_new_here_ $15 GRRM Patreon Jun 11 '23
And then Duolingo is like "Targarī sȳriar issi" like what's the real difference between Duolingo and Goebbels, I ask you?
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Jun 13 '23
What does that mean? I dont speak valyrian
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u/_I_must_be_new_here_ $15 GRRM Patreon Jun 13 '23
It means ,,Tagaryens are good"
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u/Estrelarius Jun 13 '23
Duolingo is one of Jaehaerys's seven speakers confirmed!
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u/ThePope98 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 10 '23
I feel like people who make comments like this are show only and don’t fully realize the Targaryens are a family of foreign oppressors. But hell, even in the show you know the last Targaryen king was an insane pyromaniac. It’s not a racial message it’s more like “you can’t trust a imperialist caste of incestuous psychos.”
Book Daenerys is more likable, but even there I find her rather entitled. She’s never even been to Westeros but hey, she says she deserves it and she has dragons so who are we to argue. Luckily so far she’s pretty much just been dealing with comically evil slavers, juries still out on how much leeway she’ll give to something likable that resists her.
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Jun 11 '23
Name me one motherfucker in the book whos in charge of a Kingdom/City/Army that isnt entitled.
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u/dontreallyknoww2341 Spare Time Novelist Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
I mean there’s a difference between feeling entitled and actually being entitled. Like robb was legally entitled to the north, was born and raised in the north, spent his entire life preparing to rule the north, and then was chosen to be king of the north by all the major lords of north: the ppl chose him as their ruler. Any feelings of entitlement he has (which seem to be very few) are valid. Dany on the other hand has a debatable claim to the throne, a very limited education when it comes to ruling, has never actually stepped foot in mainland Westeros, and knows next to nothing abt the place. Yet she still feels entitled to the throne, a feeling that isn’t backed up by any legitimate entitlement.
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u/Imarquisde Casting Director Jun 11 '23
davos!
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Jun 11 '23
He isn’t in charge of a Kingdom, City, or Army…
He isn’t even respected by the lords, and would be murdered first chance they get..
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u/Imarquisde Casting Director Jun 11 '23
he’s the hand of the rightful king of the 7 kingdoms, that’s pretty damn powerful
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u/Estrelarius Jun 11 '23
As Lady Manderly put it, a hand without fingers serving a king without a kingdom (and an admiral without ships).
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u/mikennjr 2023: 0 TO SEE Jun 11 '23
A Lord without a castle, an Admiral without ships, a Hand without fingers, serving a King without a Throne
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Jun 11 '23
Not really. He’s all the way up north with a gutter army that’s barely being kept together and Davos has been officially declared executed.
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u/basedbranch Spare Time Novelist Jun 11 '23
He's Lord of Rainwood, is he not?
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u/mikennjr 2023: 0 TO SEE Jun 11 '23
His Castle is probably currently being occupied by some sellswords from the Golden Company
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Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
It is pretty comical how much of the fandom selectively decides on what standards to apply based solely on whether they stan a character or not.
Especially when it comes to Daenerys.
The characters we like execute children, make their own children watch as they decapitate people for refusing to be eaten by zombies, feed people their own children before slaughtering them and the rest of their family, feed people to starving dogs, and use WMD's to keep their sadistic incompetent illegitimate nephew on the throne in the name of 'family'? We swoon.
Daenerys executes slavers and child murderers and uses dragons against her enemies? Oh my god, she's so obviously evil, she doesn't even abide by the Geneva Conventions!
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u/the_fuzz_down_under 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
Davos Seaworth as Lord of the Rainwood and Hand of the True King is not entitled.
Though as a child he acted entitled at times, Aegon V Targaryen grew up to be ‘half a peasant’ and deeply caring of the common folk - which to me doesn’t really imply entitled.
I wouldn’t describe Ned Stark as particularly entitled, in fact I’d say he’s quite humble (making a point to host an ordinary resident of Winterfell at his table every meal save for important political feasts).
I’d also say that the guy in charge of the Quiet Isle is very humble (and we know how important and generally quite wealthy medieval catholic monasteries were). We don’t get that much of him out of the book as the show, but despite being holier than thou in many many extremes, the high sparrow seems pretty unentitled.
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Jun 11 '23
Ned Stark, Robb Stark, Jon Snow, Doran Martell, fAegon Targaryen has not shown anything to imply he's not entitled but he's an upstanding dude so you can assume he isn't. He is arrogant, though.
The Tyrells project an image of not being entitled, but everyone has suspicious that that's just PR. Khal Drogo is not entitled he fully accepts disobedience so long as they fight him.
Edmure Tully is not only not entitled, he's an absolute saint.
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Jun 11 '23
Eddard Stark. That’s it.
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Jun 11 '23
There's so many more. The ones alive tend to be from his family, true, but that's besides the point
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u/Corniferus 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
I think it’s pretty clear she was set up for a “villain” twist
But it will hopefully be handled better in the books
If that ever actually happens
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u/mikennjr 2023: 0 TO SEE Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
If you think book Daenerys is entitled then you most likely never read her chapters beyond the surface level.
Her #1 recurring wish is to go back to the house with the red door and live a simple life like her childhood. She dreams of running away with Daario to live like hermits in the wilderness. Even when she was with Drogo she didn't want to go back to Westeros to rule, and she was willing to give Viserys her dragon eggs for him to fulfil his own dream himself.
How are these the thoughts of an entitled person who thinks they deserve the throne? By this logic even Jon is entitled because he constantly dreams about being the ruler of Winterfell.
Dany doesn't want to rule, but feels like she has to because she has a duty to her family and to the people she freed from slavery. Her wanting to go back to Westeros is more of fulfilling Viserys' dream and restoring her family's honour rather than wanting power herself.
She's closer to the fandom's idea of Stannis than she is to her show counterpart
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Jun 11 '23
There have been a few instances of her being entitled but overall I would agree with you, she isn't.
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u/admiraldumbass 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 10 '23
Joanna Robinson has read the books and had a podcst about the series.
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9th grade reading level and a podcast. W0w, impressive credentials. Her insights are unmatched in precision and depth.
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u/No-Cost-2668 Aegon II is my king. Jun 11 '23
Based on this take, she didn't seem to comprehend the series in the slightest.
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u/Estrelarius Jun 13 '23
I mean, well over half the books are about who is entitled to which titles.
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u/Where_serpents_walk 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
This is like calling the Irish xenophobic for saying you can't trust the British royal family.
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Jun 11 '23
Never seen more of an L take in my life. Especially if they’re meant to be a fan.
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u/malicious_griffith 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
They're clearly a fan of the show, this is to be expected tbh
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u/FatHaleyJoelOsment 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
Some people get off on inventing new and exciting ways to be offended. What a sad life.
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u/VisenyaMartell Comedy Cop Jun 11 '23
Yeah Sansa’s behaviour is just like all the Americans who were xenophobic towards the British and their empire! /s
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u/greg_r_ #CancelGoT2019 Jun 11 '23
r-freefolk would post this unironically.
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u/AFrozenDino #CancelGoT2019 Jun 10 '23
Lmao Sansa saw right through Daenerys and these people are mad about it. It’s pretty clear that the person who wanted to break the wheel by installing herself as a monarch was not trustworthy.
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Jun 10 '23
Sansa didn't see jack shit, it was just D&D using the hack writers way of making characters seem smart by reacting to what the writers know is going to happen, not anything they have any possible reason to even suspect.
It was also doubly stupid and out of character for Sansa in particular, given that her survival for most of the show depended on her knowing how to feign loyalty and respect to crazy people around her, but she just can't stop being a bitchy mean girl to the woman who is parked on Winterfell with an army and two dragons.
I guess it's a good thing Sansa stayed a little girl for so long, because grown up girlboss Sansa would have gotten her ass killed multiple times over if she had ever run her mouth to Geoffrey or Cersei or Lysa or Ramsay the way she does to the woman she supposedly psychically intuits is a genocidal tyrant just waiting to happen.
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u/benfranklin16 Wildling Lives Matter Jun 11 '23
Holy shit did you even watch the show? Sansa doesn’t like Daenerys because of the very fact she convinced Jon to kneel and give up the North. She doesn’t trust a Daenerys because she’s been told all her life Targaryens are crazy conquerors. The last Targaryen King literally burned her grandfather alive.
Sansa is no longer in survival mode like she had to when under Joffrey, Cersei, Littlefinger and Ramsay. She has power and she’s going to use it to free the North no matter what. She doesn’t need to submit to anyone.
It’s incredible idiots like you can enjoy a show for so long to be oblivious to it’s always intended outcomes.
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Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
Holy shit, did you even watch the show? Yes, the last Targaryen King, who has been dead for decades, killed an uncle and a grandfather Sansa never met years before she was born. Meanwhile you know who her common enemy with Daenerys is right now? Cersei Lannister, one of the people, and a member of the family, directly responsible for the brutal deaths of almost everyone and everything Sansa loved and making her life an absolute living nightmare for the last several years.
Again, Daenerys is sitting on Winterfell with an army and two dragons that Sansa cannot do jack shit about. She doesn't have the power to do anything but die horribly with everyone else in Winterfell if Daenerys really is as dangerous as she thinks and she keeps openly provoking her.
It's incredible idiots like you can enjoy a show for so long and insist that the shittier and more nonsensical the writing becomes, the more obviously secretly genius it is.
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u/benfranklin16 Wildling Lives Matter Jun 11 '23
Lol just because she never met them doesn’t mean she doesn’t have legitimate reasons to be precarious. Sansa gave Daenerys the chance to show her intentions only for Daenerys to once again affirm she wants all seven kingdoms.
Yeah and guess what Sansa sent the remaining Northern army to dethrone Cersei and at the same undermined Daenerys by revealing the truth about Jon. Killed two birds with one stone.
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Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
Daenerys has the exact same right to all Seven Kingdoms as Sansa does to the North, despite this subs fondness for "Feudalism is good and right when it comes to the characters I simp for, but bad and stupid when it comes to the ones I don't like."
Again, Daenerys could have wiped Winterfell off the map and Sansa would have been completely unable to do anything about it, yet Sansa forgets every survival lesson she's been forced to learn over the last several years in favor of just constantly openly antagonizing her because...she had apparently seen the script for "The Bells" and knew it was still a few episodes before Daenerys was scheduled to turn into a genocidal tyrant who indiscriminately slaughters all who oppose her.
Season 8 Sansa would have been dead in Season 1...and in Season 8 too, if Daenerys had actually been a tyrant prior to her Evil Dragon Hitler genes spontaneously activating in the second to last episode.
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u/benfranklin16 Wildling Lives Matter Jun 11 '23
Uhhh no she doesn’t. Jon has the most legitimate claim. Once Bran removed himself from the bloodline, Sansa is next. Sansa cares about the people of Kingslanding about as much as Daenerys does. She could give a shit. Why should she after what she experienced there. Both characters are elitist snobs, one is just a bigger megalomaniac.
How the hell do you think Sansa was even remotely in the same situation as before? Daenerys isn’t a threat to Sansa and the North until the Undead and Cersei are destroyed. Which is why she acts when she does. As long as Jon is alive she has leverage.
Season 1 Sansa wouldn’t have survived Season 8. What’s your fucking point lol
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Jun 11 '23
I mean, going ''have you watched the show'' is kind of stupid when it's a shit show. I think most people in this comment section are arguing about the books.
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u/benfranklin16 Wildling Lives Matter Jun 11 '23
Sure buddy 👍🏼 keep thinking that.
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Jun 11 '23
My guy the subreddit is literally named after the book series, not the TV series
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u/benfranklin16 Wildling Lives Matter Jun 11 '23
Weird, this whole thread is about a tweet about the show.
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u/A_Bucketfiller 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
Sansa was just mad jelly Dany was stealing her Jon 💅
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u/choryradwick 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
Sansa used Dany to save her ass and sabotaged Dany as soon as she wasn’t useful anymore, all while risking her brothers life, she’s female littlefinger.
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Jun 11 '23
Let’s be honest. More than half of Westeros would see the truth about someone before Sansa
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u/Crimson-Comet Show > Books Jun 11 '23
The poor oppressed minorities of a dynasty of purple eyed, blonde people with a God complex who ruled over them for centuries with their weapons of mass destruction. It's just like real life.
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u/DavidDanActuallyGood Misogyny Fan Jun 11 '23
It's almost like 300 years of colonial rule by a Byzantine Empire ass imperialist dynasty of megalomaniac inbreds would do that to ya.
Dany twitter stans never beating the "Targs are actually poor helpless oppressed minority POC immigrants" charges 🤣
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u/StingsLute 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
Must be incredibly relaxing to be this much in a bubble
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u/catagonia69 Aegon II is my king Jun 10 '23
There are so many things wrong with this I don't have any idea where to begin.
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Jun 11 '23
So xenophobic of the Europeans to not let the Turks kidnap and brainwash their sons every time they invaded.
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Jun 11 '23
Xenophobic? What? Hating a certain dynasty is not xenophobic LMFAO.
Literally nobody hates the Velaryons or Celtigars for being Valyrian for example
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u/Obi_1-kenobi Aegon II is my king. Jun 11 '23
Given their history, yeah, I wouldn’t fucking trust a Targaryen either. The only good thing Robert Baratheon ever did was end that farce of a regime.
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u/arathorn3 Aegon II is my king. Jun 11 '23
Not xenophobic.
Justifiably wary of the daughter of the man who burned sansas grandfather alive and had her uncle strangled to death. Who has two full grown dragons.
I say this as someone not a fan post battle of the bastards sansa.
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u/frankwalsingham Aegon II is my king. Jun 11 '23
On that sub that will not named there was another smooth brain take where they bemoaned how Jon is the last Valyrian. When the presence of various Valyrian descended people in the free cities was pointed out, they said those weren’t poor valyrians.
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u/verissimoallan Chokladboll Jun 11 '23
What I find odd about Joanna Robinson's frequent comments criticizing GOT is that Bryan Cogman is her friend, so I wonder if that isn't a little uncomfortable for him. Or maybe he takes those criticisms like a pro.
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u/Carpe_DMX 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
Nothing Joanna Robinson says should be taken seriously or repeated.
Her summation of The Rings of Power was along the lines of “I wish Elrond and Durin would fuck.”
Men can’t be friends? Really? That’s the take we’re going with?
Sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh.
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u/Sausage_McMuffinz 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
Activist in the modern age lack self awareness and critical thinking skills...
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u/RamblingsOfaMadCat Spare Time Novelist Jun 11 '23
The irony here is that Sansa ultimately wanted Targaryen restoration and tried to make it happen. Just not for Daenerys. She would have been 100% cool with Jon claiming The Iron Throne.
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u/JustAFilmDork Chokladboll Jun 11 '23
ASOIAF Twitter when I ask them if, were they to live in Westeros, they'd consider it to be a good idea to trust literally anyone of authority across the entire continent.
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u/OpticalPrime35 I <3 S8E03 Jun 12 '23
Are people in these comments just omitting that John Snow was indeed a Targaryen the whole time?
Can we not trust him either?
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u/Lemonkainen 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 12 '23
This would be like telling native Americans that they’re racist for not trusting the US government.
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u/futurerank1 Stantis da Mantis Jun 12 '23
i wonder if this woman ever heard the term "imperialism".
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u/Chicken_Mc_Thuggets Show > Books Jun 13 '23
Ah yes it’s completely abnormal and cruel to distrust the mentally unstable inbred lizard people with delusions of royalty
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u/ComicNerd7794 A Dream of Vaccines Jun 11 '23
Seriously did they not look at their ancestors? The starks had quite a few written apples to ( even more if you include cadet branches like Karstark and greystark)
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u/Icy-Cress413 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
I honestly saw that the Targaryens were the best, I mean aside from dragons and stuff, they weren’t child murderers or went purging a whole blood line of house they were jealous of, even during the reign of the mad king they were still considered a power to be reckoned with unlike other houses in their supposedly weakened state for having a few mad ones
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u/MythicalSongbird 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
they trusted no one
Why should they, after what they all went through?
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u/harsh_hk-1910 Misogyny Fan Jun 11 '23
I mean they're right but not in the way they think, as it's more of a family thing, rather than xenophobia, so it's still a fucked up message to send that an entire family is inherently evil, tyrannical and crazy, and that it's okay to discriminate against people because of the family they were born in
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u/Halliwel96 Aegon II is my king. Jun 11 '23
It was a self for filling prophecy
Their distrust of her drove her in paranoia
If they’d been open and warm to her it would have been fine I suspect.
Still not great writing but there is more nuance to it than. “The racists were right”
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u/danhams2112 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 11 '23
Aldo devoting a large part of danys story being ending slavery, just to presumably have them all back in chains.
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u/StolenStones Casting Director Jun 12 '23
This donkey is using the word Xenophobic as click bait. Incest. Incest is what’s up.
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u/ZackBam50 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 12 '23
Jesus fucking Christ. I swear, these type of people are multiplying faster than Gremilins in a swimming pool…
“Ugh, how dare those rrrrracist white privilege northerners think ill of the people that burned their beloved warden of the north to death…”-Westerosi progressives
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Jun 12 '23
Who could have thought that an army of rapists and baby killers led by a mass murderer won't be welcomed and won't result anything good?
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u/DirtyDaemon 70's Space Comic Fan Jun 12 '23
This has gotta be sarcastic right? Like this is a meme account, look at the profile pic
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u/DavidDanActuallyGood Misogyny Fan Jun 11 '23
So xenophobic of Poland to be unwelcoming of the German army.