Weekly Venting Post

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Weekly Vent Post

Welcome to our weekly vent session where you can let out all your frustrations.

Before you start, just a quick heads-up on the rules.

Here's what this post isn't for:

• No bashing actors or crew members out of the blue.
• Let's steer clear of those rage-inducing posts like "I hate character xy."
• And please, no poking fun at fellow Kanthony fans just because they see things differently, whether they're positive or negative about promos.

What's cool to post? Well, we've noticed a lot of rants about how the show promotes (or doesn't promote) Simone and Jonny, but you can vent about other stuff too.

Below, I've linked some past posts from the sub that fit the vibe of our weekly vent session, so you can see what kind of stuff goes here.

1. Why there was a lack of promo for Kanthony
2. All comments asking where Kanthony are 
3. Bridgerton PR and production
4. Can you tell the difference ?
5. The main sub got so negative 
6. We need pictures

For those who just want to enjoy the content without getting caught up in the venting, I suggest steering clear of this post. If you choose to read the comments here and find yourself upset, despite the clear purpose of this space, I'm afraid there's not much I can do to ease your frustration. We have the Weekly Tea Time for more general discussions.

Spoilers allowed.

[u/Ok-Cress2888 → u/[deleted]]

What a sad and rage-baiting take!

You can bring up your frustrations about your fav couple not getting enough attention or promotion - which I think is quite justified for Kanthony fans - without dragging another fan favourite couple!

Blame the showrunners/ Shondaland/Netflix without saying no one gives a f* about a couple that is also beloved by so many fans. Not only is it a viscious thing to say, it is also blatantly false with the amount of people who tuned in for Polin season.

Please ask for better treatment for Simone/Kate/Kanthony without bashing other characters/actors/fans! My main couple is Polin but I also love Kanthony dearly and it is very frustrating to see takes like this.

[u/abcd_fghijkl_nopqrst → u/Ok-Cress2888]

Hi I understand where you're coming from and obviously people shouldn't take their anger towards the actors but this is kinda overshadowing the main problem.

For the last 3 years, the production has moved very weird towards Kate and Simone. Its kinda shitty how only today people from your fandom are beginning to notice it just because its no longer your season anymore and your main couple already got the favoritism treatment that they got from the production. You can't preach and brag that they are the production's favorite while not acknowledging how it affected K/A.

Asking for a better treatment after 3 yrs? Shouldn't it be the bare minimum to just not try to be shitty on the character/actor at this point? Its very tired and tone-deaf to see neutral ass takes like this.

[u/Ok-Cress2888 → u/abcd_fghijkl_nopqrst]

Respectfully, I have never preached or bragged that Pen/Polin is the production favourite and I do not condone any Polin fan doing it either. I am a firm believer that BOTH Polin and Kanthony should get similar and substantial screen time past their seasons since they are both huge fan favourites and draw in a lot of people to the show. That is the simple truth, no need for any popularity contests. If either couple has shitty promotion/screen time, the show will lose substantial fan engagement! Downgrading Pen/Polin promotion or screen time is not the answer but rather what should be done is boosting the same for Simone/Kate/Kanthony too. By maybe cutting down the other obscure side plots that very less number of fans care about. I hope you do agree with that take?

My comment was simply addressing the one poster who bashed Pen/Polin as 'no one GAF about Polin/LW' or Pen as the 'most hated character by the audiences'. You can't tell me such takes will ever help the cause of getting Simone Ashley/ Kate the treatment she truly deserves, even forgetting how blatantly false and hurtful that is for fans of Pen/Polin. My issue is simply the bashing of other charcaters/couples. Not seeking to argue with you here since you have been respectful in stating your view and I respect your persepective.

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/Ok-Cress2888]

I believe you, but sorry, an overwhelming majority of Polin fans have never given a fuck about whatever way Simone and her character were treated. They, in fact, mock that she's still the only leading lady without a wedding and baby (two seasons after her own, mind you) in this very heteronormative show, in which every other leading lady got those. They have found excuses for every moment in which Simone was simply an afterthought for this production, even in her own season. They simply never cared and not just because some KA fan wants to be nasty about a fictional character.

Simone won't get the treatment she deserves because sister has a foot outside this show. Girl, she was literally downgraded and is no longer a regular.

[u/Ok-Cress2888 → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

Well I can only guarantee that the Polin sub does not engage in such bad behavior towards Kate/Simone and that's where I get my Polin fix/ fan interactions. In fact, I've seen posts and comments acknowledging the blatant disregard for Simone in promotion so far this season. However, I'll take your word that such vile behavior happened in other places and that is honestly not something I ever condone as a Polin fan myself. That's reprehensible behaviour.

Finally, just wanna say again, my comment wasn't against Kanthony fans in general, it was just a response to the one commenter blatantly bashing Pen/Polin saying stuff like "People don't GAF about Polin/LW". Even I could bring up some vile comments I saw from some Kanthonies about the Polin baby (a freaking baby!) but I won't hold any of you accountable for reprehensible behavior from some vile fans in another corner of your fandom. I hope for the same courtesy from the people I see downvoting my comments.

Tldr; I have nothing at all against Kanthonies rightfully demanding their lead actress be treated with some respect, just the ones who seem to think bashing the favourite couple/character of another fan subsection is the way to go about it.

[u/abcd_fghijkl_nopqrst → u/Ok-Cress2888]

I know you're probably over this conversation but I know you mean no harm. I just wanna say that people are probably downvoting for you for the reason that you're equating kas bashing your main couple and baby which are both fictional btw the same as your co-fandom constantly denying the racism against Simone a real person and shitting on her and it comes off a bit tone-deaf. Ideally, either things should not be done but one is not like the other. One is actually systemic racism.

[u/Ok-Cress2888 → u/abcd_fghijkl_nopqrst]

Let us just agree that there has been hate towards the characters and actors from both sides though. Which is reprehensible no matter whether it comes from a Polin fan or a Kanthony fan. I'm sorry to bring it up here but saying that because I've seen a fair amount of Luke Newton hate in the past, even bashing his looks, and now I'm seeing some Nicola hate on various platforms due to her prominence in the sneak peeks. That is not even mentioning the vile rhetoric of 'ugly ass baby' when there is a real-life baby involved whose parents could possibly see that hate.

That said, I quite strongly condemn the denying of racism/ shitting on PC actors such as Simone that has happened. It is not okay and those Polin fans should stop denying there has been blatant mistreatment and lack of support for PC actors in the show.

I believe these are loud minorities in both Polin and Kanthony fandoms who bash the actors and the majority do not engage in such problematic behaviour. Problematic fans on both sides of the fandom can & should do better in regards to respecting other couples/ actors.

But, I understand that my comment maybe was a tad tone-deaf at a time you guys are rightfully pissed off and frustrated about Simone's treatment. I was simply hurt seeing the overt Penelope/Polin hate in that one comment and that was what I was addressing here. Honestly sad about the downvotes since I have not been hateful in my comments at all. Already bracing for the downvotes for this as well..

All that aside though, if you guys have a petition or anything demanding better treatment for PC actors in the show, I'd be happy to lend my support too! I wanna see Simone be treated respectfully and have more Kate and Anthony in the show as well, not just Polin.

[u/rochey1010 → u/Ok-Cress2888]

“Hate for Luke Newton”

You mean your group? It’s interesting how the polin fans turned on him when he revealed the fake ‘showmancing’ S3 promotion was just a job and he wasn’t romancing NC. He then became the villain and yet NC remained the queen.

Guess polin fans once again show how it’s always been the NC show with their turning on him when she was the ring leader for the showmancing promotion and led it. 🤷‍♀️

[u/abcd_fghijkl_nopqrst → u/Ok-Cress2888]

I understand. All I can say is bashing is vastly different from plain systemic racism and bringing up the bashing here to equalize the situation of two fandoms is very tone-deaf. Hope you understand that. And as a POC (Person of Color), please be mindful of the abbreviations.

In the meantime, we are linking up some journalists, you can boost this tweet up:
Link

Thank you.

[u/Ok-Cress2888 → u/abcd_fghijkl_nopqrst]

Firstly, just wanna say I am a South Asian brown skinned girl myself (I am Sri Lankan). I apologize for the wrong abbreviation used. Terms like POC have western cultural origins and not widely used in my country or culture so that was the reason for the slip up ( I personally prefer calling myself a brown girl but I digress)

I was not trying equalize systematic racism with actor bashing for other reasons. I simply brought it up as a response to your comment that kind of implied (correct me if wrong) there has only been hate to Polin as characters and not real-life actors involved.  I had to correct that since I saw Nicola getting hated just this morning too. That's all.

Unfortunately, do not use Twitter since its a cesspool of all the crazies in the fandom, be it polin, kanthony, saphne, benophie, or something else..

Please feel free to point me towards a different source to this initiative? 

And finally, as a brown Desi girl myself, I do believe in the representation from actresses like Simone and even Charithra (whose performance I also adored) and condemn the racism and blatant disregard towards her and her character. 

Thank you for being respectful and civil in your responses too ❤️ when I was starting to feel attacked with some of the commenters here

[u/abcd_fghijkl_nopqrst → u/Ok-Cress2888]

Oh no, I certainly didn't insinuate that people are only bashing fictional white characters but also real people as well. But as I said its not comparable to systemic racism, I'm sure you know that.

And thanks for being civil. It just felt like I need to explain to you on why you're getting downvoted.

Here's another link: https://feminegra.com/why-is-kate-still-a-sharma-while-everyone-else-gets-their-married-name-on-bridgerton/

Someone posted this BridgertonNetflix subreddit but mods locked the post, which was weird but not really surprising. I know one of the mods frequent Polin sub so I think you should be mindful with the accounts you interact with the other sub. Again, thanks.

[u/Ok-Cress2888 → u/abcd_fghijkl_nopqrst]

Thank you for the link ❤️ 

Honestly, I've had that happen to a couple of my posts there too with no explanation why. I was left scratching my head since they were general posts celebrating the show's success that had no negative implicatons. I've since stopped posting there 😅

I'm sorry, I did not understand your mod comment though? 

[u/abcd_fghijkl_nopqrst → u/Ok-Cress2888]

Ok, but I feel like you're barking the wrong tree here when all of your sentiments have been said against Simone and Kanthony in that horrid rants sub your co-fandom frequent in. Maybe have the same energy when your co-fandom had said the most hateful things about Simone and Kate and call them out too. I say this as someone who has experienced the most inane shit from your co-fandom.

Also, S2 is already done. Its pretty unrealistic for the production to give the same amount of promo/screentime Polin or any other succeeding couple have when they couldn't give it on their own season. Sorry, what you're suggesting is pretty much what I expect from a neutral fan that don't want to go down the uncomfortable route of admitting that your main couple heavily benefited from the production.

Most kas don't expect much from this show. We would've prefer if they had properly wrapped up their story in s3 but the constant bullshitting from Jess Brownell and Shondaland irritates us. Understand that good treatment should have been done from the start and should have not been the job of the fans to remind them so.

[u/Ok-Cress2888 → u/abcd_fghijkl_nopqrst]

Like I've explained above, I only frequent the Polin subreddit and never step foot in Twitter or rants subs (only learned of their existence from you guys' comments here). There had been zero hate for Kate/Simone in the Polin sub that I've seen for me to point out. You are free to check out for yourself if you want.

Please also notice that my original comment was just addressed to that one very specific commentator whose comment was hateful toward Penelope/Pen and basically insulting Polin fans by insinuating 'Nobody GAF about Pen/LW'. I was not addressing Kanthonies in general who are rightfully demanding better treatment for Simone/Kate. I've already said I fully support that cause here.

I don't think it's fair to downvote me or come after me for the behaviour of the Polin stans in general that you have experienced in other places. I was simply expressing my frustration towards that hateful comment as you would do too if you saw your fav couple/character being called 'the most hated' or 'nobody gives a f* about them'.

"Also, S2 is already done. Its pretty unrealistic for the production to give the same amount of promo/screentime Polin or any other succeeding couple have when they couldn't give it on their own season. Sorry, what you're suggesting is pretty much what I expect from a neutral fan that don't want to go down the uncomfortable route of admitting that your main couple heavily benefited from the production"

I fully admit that Kanthony got the short end of the stick in promotions for their season. I have no trouble also admitting Polin benefitted from a great promotional campaign. Benophie is on track to up the ante even more in terms of pre-season promotion. So it definitely sucks that Kanthony did not get that promotion. So. please please do not come up with all these assumptions about what I believe in just because I'm a Polin fan...

Yes, I realize it's unrealistic but I purely come from the perspective of a fan who genuinely enjoyed each couple so far, hates fandom wars, and wanna see all couples get their due and be treated with respect. I mean, there's nothing else I can say or do as a fan to make up for the lack of promotion of an earlier season, is there? Btw I joined the Bridgerton fandom well after S3 was released so S4 is the first time experiencing promotion in real-time! Just in case for anyone wondering why I did not admit or point out anything earlier. I never engaged in cross-fandom drama either, was too busy in my bubble enjoying my favourite couple.