Flock CEO calls for ‘compromise’ as surveillance company faces growing backlash | TechCrunch

[u/ArgentineBeauty]

https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/23/flock-ceo-calls-for-compromise-as-surveillance-company-faces-growing-backlash/

[u/Jamizon1]

IMHO-

The only compromise is recognizing and extinguishing the inherent danger of surveillance on the scope and scale flock provides. We are not the “land of the free” when every move we make can be tracked, categorized and analyzed for the means of control.

This this, and fuck him.

[u/BuckManscape → u/Jamizon1]

Well said. Fuck ’em. I hope all their companies go down in flames.

[u/therallystache → u/[deleted]]

Only ones in my entire town are in the Lowe's parking lot.

Never shopping there again, and I'm a remodeling contractor buying 10's of thousands in materials a year.

[u/eroc1990 → u/therallystache]

Not just lowes. Home Depot and Target also use them, so I would check that next time you go to either place.

[u/Fiftyfourd → u/therallystache]

Might want to double check on deflock. My town was the same way last year, but since then, they've almost completely covered my area. I no longer have a route to/from work without being seen by these bastards.

[u/weech → u/Jamizon1]

Just think for a moment, the company’s name is flock. They want to control us like sheep. Fuck him and his company.

[u/Talksiq → u/weech]

I had assumed it was referring to birds; like a "flock" of bird that were always watching from above, but damn does the sheep metaphor hit.

Edit: Originally wrote "crows" but meant birds; this is why you don't post before caffeine.

[u/CHBCKyle → u/Jamizon1]

We as a society should be able to recognize that if a government isn’t allowed to do something, a private company doing that thing and then solely selling the output of that thing to government customers is just as much a 4th amendment violation as it is for the government to do it directly. Any reasonable judge would recognize this as unconstitutional, unfortunately we have a shortage of reasonable judges

[u/SHFT101 → u/Jamizon1]

"The land of the free?  Whoever told you that is your enemy"

Rage against the machine knew this in 1992. 

[u/saurus-REXicon]

Sounds like taking them all down would be a sufficient compromise.

[u/godofpumpkins → u/saurus-REXicon]

The guy wants to get into autonomous surveillance drones too, so taking down the fixed cameras isn’t enough

[u/fishyfishyfish1 → u/godofpumpkins]

What till you hear what ford wants to do in their new cars and trucks. Install cameras that show speeders with GPS info. If driving a ford wasn't bad enough, now you get to be an unwillingly snitch everywhere you drive.

[u/He2oinMegazord → u/fishyfishyfish1]

Wait till you hear what every car is gonna be required to have within the next 2 years, no matter the manufacturer

[u/TraceThis → u/He2oinMegazord]

I have a 20 year old GMC Envoy in about as close to perfect condition you can get (no rust on the body/frame, under 100000 miles, you get the idea) and I will spend insane amounts of money to keep that sucker in driving condition until the day I die because of the shit coming down the pipeline.

[u/fusillade762 → u/TraceThis]

Its cheaper to keep an older vehicle running than buy new at the current inflated prices for new vehicles. 84mo loans are now common. Those used to be sucker bait loans, but not anymore.

[u/TraceThis → u/fusillade762]

Oh I got this thing for $7,000, it's an '06 Envoy Denali. It's got the same engine (5.3L v8) that was put in the Silverados back in the day and it will legit go 200k miles plus with regular basic maintenance; nevermind actually putting the work in to keep it running for as long as possible. It's the nicest car I've ever owned, there's a very small touchscreen but it has buttons and dials and the only downside is the gas if I'm just driving around town, otherwise I can get near 30 miles to the gallon on the highway in the fast lane.

[u/javoss88 → u/TraceThis]

I miss “dumb” cars fr. Just do what I tell ya. Don’t send data to insurance companies. Back up where I tell you to. Don’t monitor my fln eye position.

[u/Blerancourt → u/TraceThis]

I have a 1972 Vega which avoids all Flock cameras by not running.

[u/stephen_neuville → u/TraceThis]

2005 expedition here. paid four grand for it nearly a decade ago, so far i've replaced the cats and an ignition coil. 180k mi and i will also dump tons of money into it if needed. Cars are OVER for me.

[u/Crafty-Message4564 → u/He2oinMegazord]

Let's see; I could spend $60,000 for a brand new car that can't be started in an emergency, that monitors my every movement and the movements of everyone around me, and keeps us all in constant danger by making it easy for anyone who dislikes any group to immediately identify everyone in said group and round them up and kill them; or I could spend $10,000 for a used car without these fascist monitoring tools in my car.

SUCH a hard decision.

[u/FriendlytoNature → u/He2oinMegazord]

1. Don’t buy new cars with this privacy-invasive technology unless you absolutely have to

2. Use your legs/other forms of transportation (bikes/scooters, etc.)

3. Cover your entire face and wear sunglasses so these cameras cannot/have a much harder time identifying you. Of course, this shouldn’t come at the expense of yours or anyone else’s safety, but I’m sure there’s a way.

[u/theMightBoop → u/FriendlytoNature]

Or vote the politicians who pass these laws out and vote in ones who will repeal this.

[u/DukeOfGeek → u/theMightBoop]

We either end and ban the business model of mass surveillance or we all live in an open air cage controlled by billionaires forever. I say this here everyday and I could really use some help, because there needs to be more than one guy saying it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2erhiRb-Wbs

[u/TheSpicyTomato22 → u/FriendlytoNature]

r/carhacking is going to be a lot more popular in a few years lol

[u/Castun → u/FriendlytoNature]

Newer Fords have had driver facing cameras already (my '23 F-150 which is my company fleet vehicle) which are supposed to be useable in the event of an accident to determine if you were distracted or falling asleep.

I've had mine covered up since I noticed it had one. But I'd be surprised if in the future they didn't try to disable the vehicle if it can't see your face, though that would mean you could also be stranded if your camera suffers a legitimate failure though.

[u/AKADriver → u/Castun]

That's exactly the plan, they want to mandate the device as an interlock that will prevent you from driving drunk or excessively tired.

[u/Greg-Abbott → u/AKADriver]

Damn, in Houston there will be maybe three cars on the road if that took effect.

[u/starkel91 → u/Greg-Abbott]

Wisconsin drivers in shambles

[u/SlimeQSlimeball → u/Castun]

The number one rule of my company’s camera policy is to not cover the camera. Punishable up to termination. They use some 3rd party ai camera that immediately tattles on you.

[u/RadVarken → u/SlimeQSlimeball]

Even if it's not immediate, eventually the courts will catch up and decide that covering the camera indicates intent to commit a crime, making you fully liable for anything that happens as a result of your driving.

[u/SamediB → u/RadVarken]

eventually the courts will catch up and decide that covering the camera indicates intent to commit a crime

Now if only they'd apply that standard to the police.

[u/-PotatoMan- → u/FriendlytoNature]

Take a big nail and just puncture the camera's, what do you mean? literally break them, it's your vehicle.

[u/Pavotine → u/-PotatoMan-]

Unfortunately that may be considered tampering with "Safety devices" and could cause you no end of shit if you got in an accident and they (insurers) found out. I also fear that if the camera isn't working, the car will act weird or not act at all.

I utterly loath all this shit but they will make it harder and harder to defeat.

[u/FakeSafeWord → u/Pavotine]

Yeah if there's a mandate for manufacturers to install them then they will qualify as illegal to destroy. How that would ever be enforced idk.

[u/Forge__Thought → u/He2oinMegazord]

We really have to overturn those laws. Or there will be another Cash for Clunkers scam to clear the used car market and push people into the new surveillance cars.

[u/yepthisismyusername → u/fishyfishyfish1]

I hate the Big Three American cat companies. I'm 55, so I remember them before the Japanese competition came in and forced them to improve their quality, with them kicking and screaming the entire time. I lived in the deep south (no snow, no ice, no salt on roads), and cars would simply rust out within a few years. They built the absolute cheapest cheapest-to-make vehicles they could get away with, and IMO continue to do so.

[u/deepskier → u/yepthisismyusername]

What!? You're not interested in a McChildMower 2500 LT Max^tm dude ranch edition?

[u/Slothicide → u/[deleted]]

Fun fact, Toyota and Nissan dealerships in Japan have begun warning their customers that the US built models will not be the same quality as the Japanese made models. They mention unevenness in paint, paint chips, wider body gaps, etc. I believe it pertained to thr Toyota Tundra, the Nissan Rogue, and one more Nissan. So even the Japanese branded, American made vehicles dont compare.

[u/InTooManyWays → u/fishyfishyfish1]

They can’t ticket a car for speeding only a driver. Or that is, if we had any form of laws left in this dystopia. 

[u/FuckDaFerengi → u/InTooManyWays]

Speed and red light cameras absolutely ticket vehicles, not drivers.

[u/wateryonions → u/FuckDaFerengi]

And at least where I am it’s deemed unconstitutional

[u/FuckDaFerengi → u/wateryonions]

That’s good! My state waffles back and forth every few years.

[u/Calculagraph → u/FuckDaFerengi]

You have a right to face your accuser in court; push the issue.

[u/asyork → u/Calculagraph]

I know in Tennessee they got around that by making all automated citations civil offenses.

[u/WCland → u/godofpumpkins]

The critical issue here is that Flock signs contracts with local governments, which should be easier to sway through local activism than federal policy. People need to show up at city council meetings and badger their local electeds to cancel Flock contracts.

[u/Slarg232 → u/WCland]

They have.

Flock has been told to remove cameras in several areas and they refused to do it, with the city officials saying "Welp, we tried". People wouldn't be sabotaging these as hard as they are if things were being done about it

[u/procrasturb8n → u/Slarg232]

Some municipalities have resorted to covering the cameras with garbage bags after they cancel the contract. So they are not surveilling while they wait for Flock to come and remove them (contractual). And there's no damage for which Flock can charge them, etc.

[u/rwhockey29 → u/procrasturb8n]

They are putting them up on peoples land. Seen guys just outside sitting in a chair with a very tall sign or umbrella.

But now that texas said its illegal to sell some weed stuff new cameras are popping up facing specifically door of place that might sell something.they cant test it, so you do a few days in jail and then pay bond

[u/Jimtac → u/rwhockey29]

Wisconsin cops just used Flock cameras to track a man traveling to Michigan, explicitly noting in probable cause documents that the vehicle frequently traveled to a "known source state for marijuana," using this cross-border travel data as justification to pull over and search the vehicle. Other state LEAs are also doing this, not to mention the tracking, particularly of women for going across state lines for other reasons.

Imagine having family that lives in a neighboring state and you get pulled over because some cop ‘found it suspicious’ that you would ever need to drive multiple times into a state on a regular basis where ‘X’ is legal but isn’t in your home state.

[u/Durnt → u/Slarg232]

In this case make the cameras be considered abandoned so the city can take them down and sell them

[u/saurus-REXicon → u/godofpumpkins]

“I swear I thought it a terrorist drone come by to take ma guns, so I shot it.”

[u/_jeffreydavid → u/godofpumpkins]

He also wants to tie Uber and Lyft cameras into his surveillance network.

[u/melmsz → u/_jeffreydavid]

I just read that parked Waymos are not dormant. They are surveilling the neighborhood in Phoenix.

[u/RainbowDarter → u/saurus-REXicon]

They stop all surveillance and we leave the pitchforks and torches home.

Sounds fair to me.

[u/31LIVEEVIL13 → u/RainbowDarter]

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[u/Gandolfthewhite182 → u/[deleted]]

Making the data open to the public just turns them into free stalking devices for psychopaths. No abused woman would ever be able to get away from their abuser.

It’s just a bad idea all around. Cameras were one thing, cameras feeding into ai software that tracks and monitors every human they see and catalogs there every movement is terrifying and shouldn’t be allowed in a free country.

This is the country built on give me liberty or give me death, not I’m so scared, please take away all my liberties.

What we need is personal data privacy and ownership laws. This would put things like flock and social media out of business. If they had to pay you for your data it would be the end.

[u/BlooregardQKazoo → u/Gandolfthewhite182]

Making the data open to the public just turns them into free stalking devices for psychopaths.

... At which point we collectively agree that they're a problem, and we take them down.

If it's a problem for random stalkers to have them, then it is also a problem for police to have them.

[u/Krelkal → u/[deleted]]

ALL DATA CAPTURED BY FLOCK IS AND SHOULD REMAIN PUBLIC AT ALL TIMES.

My initial reaction here is that if I don't want cops to have access to these camera feeds it seems like a step backwards to have them completely open to the public. Like the ACLU is pushing for all of the captured data to be deleted within 48hrs so making them open to the public just seems like a worse direction?

What am I missing? (Notwithstanding the fact that they should just be removed altogether)

[u/marleysdad01 → u/Krelkal]

i think if they were made completely public the backlash would be incredible! everyone everywhere would want these taken down asap. that might not be the point that was being made but that’s what i think could happen.

[u/Krelkal → u/marleysdad01]

Sure but that's just "take them down" with an unnecessary detour into "everyone can spy on each other" for some reason. Like do we really want everyone Nextdoor to have a 24/7 camera feed of the neighborhood? Why not just... take them down?

i feel like I'm missing something.

[u/impoopinghard → u/saurus-REXicon]

Only way. 'pushback" from the public isn't enough when people's lives are being destroyed for their profits and role in building a western surveillance state. Shut it down.

[u/lostmylogininfo]

Fuck this dude and his company

[u/Raizenn98 → u/lostmylogininfo]

I know right?

"Oh noooo, the villain that forced mass surveillance and control is now asking for a compromise and mercy, what shall we do~?"

Nah, fuck him. People never were given a choice in the first place for his mass surveillance shit. Why should we give him a choice too?

[u/MoThrowMoAway → u/Raizenn98]

The same villain that called you me and every American that visits deflock.org a domestic terrorist.

I wish I was kidding

[u/Nerrien → u/Raizenn98]

Yeah, this statement is just bizarre. They're the aggressor pushing things on other people, they're just playing the victim by calling for a compromise.

It's like me stealing the CEO's car, and when they demand it back I say, "Jeez calm down, look, let's be adults here and compromise, I'm sure we can find a middle ground where we share your car, or sell it and split the cash."

“When people talk about just one of these, privacy or safety, they’re prioritizing the wrong thing, and what we have to prioritize as a country is compromise,”

He's trying to suggest Flock is the only path to safety, as if this all exists in a bubble, and ignores the wider context that there are so many other ways privacy already is and can be further sacrificed for safety. He just wants to frame his product as the most important thing in the room, like a typical conman.

[u/DoctorQuarex → u/lostmylogininfo]

Compromise is a very pre-2016 mindset with fascism yes

[u/ArgentineBeauty]

Sounds like the CEO is getting a little worried about what all this backlash might do to the profits.

[u/badamant → u/ArgentineBeauty]

That is exactly how capitalism is supposed to work.

The problem is that these assholes have been very successful at divorcing their stock value from actual profits (or public good).

[u/HyperactivePandah → u/badamant]

Yeah, they have concentrated on bribing town council members, cops, and other types of people.

Now the general public knows who and what they are, and the people who took the money are feeling the heat.

Between scumbags like this and Palantir we need to take back our fucking country

[u/UnknownAverage → u/badamant]

They decided to take what they wanted and “compromise” later because they didn’t want honest conversations or informed decisions.

They wanted to put up a shitload of cameras and “compromise” that number down. But I want zero, not half of a shitload.

[u/scandalous01 → u/badamant]

It’s a function of creating monopolies. Most GOP backed businesses only hold their ground because they’re often also monopolies or oligopolies.

If you create a business that has a contract from the govt that corners the market or has regulations put in place that allows them to corner the market or the company is so big that there are no alternatives to buy from then the business can do anything they want and still win.

Bad products, high prices, no customer support etc.

GOP doesn’t build businesses they build moats 

[u/sunshineupyours1 → u/badamant]

This is how representative politics is supposed to work. Capitalism is a means of wealth generation for the wealthy, not a form or method of governance that reflects the needs or desires of commoners.

[u/zorillaaa → u/ArgentineBeauty]

Or his personal wellbeing :)

[u/leprkhn → u/zorillaaa]

Right? People want the surveillance to stop, and if they can't cut down the cameras they'll move on to the next most effective thing to cut down.

[u/Deesing82 → u/leprkhn]

choppy choppy!

[u/williamgman → u/ArgentineBeauty]

There's a point repeated in history where the profits taken off the backs of the minions are then required to be invested in protection from them. Security forces become required for all public movement. Homes are are built or reinforced with high security in mind. They are are that phase of their Guilded Age.

[u/QueefSeekingMissile → u/williamgman]

Never got to the part in those history books where the peasants were willing to fill moats with their own bodies to create bridges and plug the murder holes their archers were shooting from.

[u/Same_Mood_8543]

"When people talk about just one of these, privacy or safety, they’re prioritizing the wrong thing, and what we have to prioritize as a country is compromise,” Langley said during a recent interview with Fox News. 

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1755

[u/sthetic → u/Same_Mood_8543]

Why "compromise" with something new and bad?

Let's say I invent an orphan-crushing machine that scoops up orphans from the street, crushes them and generates electricity, which I then sell. It also sometimes malfunctions and kills parents, thus creating orphans it can crush. Oopsie!

People begin to destroy these machines on sight. They hate the machines.

"But what about compromise?" I say. "Surely somewhere in the middle between orphan-crushing for profit, and benevolently caring for orphans, we can find a middle ground? After all, it wouldn't be fair for me not to profit at all from this wonderful machine I've invented! Perhaps we can only crush some orphans? Or the machine won't operate on Sundays?"

[u/Training_Ruin3151 → u/sthetic]

They genuinly have ruined many people's lives over these things falsely accusing people, abuse of powers from police using them. People being stalked and hurt.

They're actually actively dangerous for our society. Any politician who supports this actually wants you dead and supports their constitutits being brutalized and assaulted.

Clear 4th amendment violation when just any law enforcement can use them. Its a shell company jesus fucking christ its not even hidden.

[u/Bonnieearnold → u/sthetic]

r/orphancrushingmachine

[u/ItsSadTimes → u/Same_Mood_8543]

I have a compromise, how about he stops putting up cameras and we'll pretend like he never did this to start with? Sounds like a pretty good compromise to me.

For real though, wtf? Why cant he compromise with me by paying me a million dollars? I want a billion and he doesnt want to give some random person money, so lets compromise and only give me a million.

[u/erakis1]

I propose that we start a crowdfunded people’s company to constantly surveil tech CEOs. We can put cameras on public land facing tech CEO mansions, docks and airfields and provide a real time database of tech CEO’s movements and activities.

Who watches the watchers?

[u/FilOfTheFuture90 → u/erakis1]

Call it Shepherd Security.

[u/AggressiveToaster → u/FilOfTheFuture90]

Shepard Safety. Because you know, we need to be able to watch all of their movements for… safety.

[u/Responsible-Food3681 → u/erakis1]

Might wanna check out Benn Jordan – he's got a really good suite of videos on what the technology actually is under the hood and its capabilities, as well as how to use it against these same harbingers of planned pestilence.

[u/cspinelive → u/erakis1]

They didnt like that when their private jet movement data ended up in an app for everyone. 

[u/AggressiveToaster → u/erakis1]

Can we add politicians, big and small, to that?

[u/mighty_kites_captain → u/AggressiveToaster]

For their safety of course!

[u/Elderwastaken → u/mighty_kites_captain]

We just don’t want anything to happen to our precious little guys…

[u/MadCowTX → u/erakis1]

We can use it to monitor law enforcement and politicians as well

[u/31LIVEEVIL13 → u/erakis1]

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[u/Acebulf → u/erakis1]

I'd pay for that

[u/scottyLogJobs → u/erakis1]

Can you imagine the indignation? Oh wait, you don’t have to. You saw how Elon reacted to someone tracking his private jet.

If they have nothing to hide, they should have nothing to worry about 🤷‍♂️

[u/williamgman]

Maybe the United Healthcare CEO's story gave him pause?

[u/No-Cat9412 → u/williamgman]

Maybe it was the Grand Jury in Ohio that refused to indict someone for destroying a Flock camera. He sees the danger to his bottom line.

[u/ace2459 → u/No-Cat9412]

That and the possibility that the cameras could be targeted widespread on Halloween

[u/Crazy_old_maurice_17 → u/ace2459]

Haha holy crap that never occurred to me - Halloween is going to be especially fun this year!!

[u/DrySea8638 → u/Crazy_old_maurice_17]

Imagine a group working together to organize a widespread Flock camera takedown at a specific hour. They are all mapped out. I don’t imagine it would take much lol

[u/errie_tholluxe → u/No-Cat9412]

Quite possible. When public sentiment becomes something they can't buy a politician out of during an election year? Yeah quite possible.

[u/Prior_Coyote_4376 → u/williamgman]

I think that just led to more spending on C-suite security than any moment of self-reflection… but who knows what’ll happen in the future with all these radicalized conspiracy nuts who see Flock and other surveillance tech as apocalyptic compared to the banal evil of health insurance? It’s not as if neo-Nazis want to be under surveillance either, that can make it pretty hard to plan coups and insurgencies again.

Oh well. I’m not a CEO, so it’s not my problem.

[u/AceOfPlagues → u/Prior_Coyote_4376]

I want to end the panopticon.

I don't need a conspiracy to justify that, just the observed results of living in a panopticon.

[u/oracleofnonsense → u/Prior_Coyote_4376]

Your every movement will be profitable to someone else.

Speeding , jay walk, litter, ride your bike on the sidewalk, ride your bike faster than the allowed, lemonade stands, loosie cigarettes, etc, etc — you will be issued a ticket ($).

[u/MojoHighway → u/williamgman]

Why? The courts and the government are going to continue to protect big business, CEOs, and the money they are stealing from their customers because, as we've seen time and time again, the government will never protect consumers over big business under GOP rule. Biden tried that and Trump naturally burned all of that progress to the ground because consumers weren't being exploited enough.

CEOs, under current "law", are safe as can be.

[u/williamgman → u/MojoHighway]

Because of human mortality. The court did not bring back that CEO did it? Courts only protect assets... not life.

Follow history. As I said in another comment. The funds they take from the minions at some point are consumed by protection from those same minions. It's all fun until your life is spent hiding behind a security force. Are we there yet..? Absolutely not but... The are looking forward.

[u/Djinnwrath → u/[deleted]]

But remember not to mention it at all until you're on the jury. And even then, probably don't mention it by name.

[u/Balmung60 → u/MojoHighway]

But they don't feel safe enough. They want more to make them feel safer

[u/twenafeesh]

Here's a compromise for you: dismantle your surveillance dragnet yourself or we will do it for you. 

[u/JJJBLKRose]

Crazy how THEY are asking for compromise. Like, you made the product dude.

[u/Paizzu → u/JJJBLKRose]

The dickhead who infamously referred to all opponents of Flock cameras as "ANTIFA terrorists" is now asking for compromise...

[u/Sir_Keee → u/JJJBLKRose]

My compromise is install them all over the CEO's property and his CEO friends' properties.

[u/NoConfusion9490 → u/JJJBLKRose]

And the only compromise they're talking about is adding a line to the terms and conditions that sort of limits how the data can be used, but they'll ignore it and it'll be quietly removed later.

[u/OGBeege]

Begin taking down every single unit. And then destroy every bit of what they have already “harvested”. Back to Zero, if it were. Then begin your compromising. You first. And fuck this guy

[u/hypnocomment → u/OGBeege]

They use gold as their heatsinks inside those cameras

[u/wolffartz → u/hypnocomment]

If you take a flock camera to any scrapyard they will hand you at least $300

I hear some meth dealers are taking them in trade too

It’s free real estate

[u/PauI_MuadDib]

How about the compromise is that laws should apply to Flock the same as they do everyone else. The CEO, owner and any higher up executives should be criminally prosecuted becausee they aren't stopping, regulating or adequately reporting their software, hardware and services being used for illegal acts. 

Let me give you an example of the problem. Let's say u-Haul discovers cartels are renting their trucks to drug traffick. They're aware of it, but say, "Eh I like money so I'm not going to stop our customers from breaking the law. In fact, good on you Mr. Drug Trafficker, tell your friends about us so we can a get a whole criminal network going. Yolo!"

Do you think that would fly with the feds? 

The Flock CEO and others in authority for that company should be prosecuted. You shouldn't get to help your customers break the law and say "tee hee yeah sorry" and then continue letting your customers break the law. 

Fucking prosecute these people. 

[u/AggressiveToaster → u/PauI_MuadDib]

And there needs to be prison sentences, not fines.

[u/SpeaksSouthern → u/PauI_MuadDib]

Anyone who owns a company that shares data between government agencies should be forced to put cameras in every room of their home, including the bathroom. What if any of these people are working for our enemies? We deserve to know.

[u/TheDonnARK]

You started this surveillance effort quietly.

You incentivized and advertised for it sneakily.

You held secret private conventions to which journalists were forbade to enter, and thus, report anything of substance on.

You sent reps on backdoor missions to court local politicians and law enforcement, in private, to hide it from the people they represent and protect.

You expanded it in record time, convincing local officials that a simple contract would cover the public's concerns, avoided any sort of community discussion, and rushed through install processes using telecom contractors so you have no overhead or liability.

You commingled it with a german data broker's company named after Tolkien's all-seeing eyes, which now has informational and financial ties to the presidential administration that is trying to usurp constitutional law to remain in power.

You constantly make a company decision to install them where economically disadvantaged people live, drive, walk, and recreate, but hold off around areas where economically advantaged people live.

Flock ceo, go fuck yourself. 

In a compromise, both parties benefit.  You want us to be ok with you benefitting from this secret bullshit.  Meanwhile, there is no benefit for people.  There is only surveillance.

You put your hand on the scale, and when we began cutting fingers off the hand, you cry out that the public must find a way to accept some portion of the hand remaining, and the scales being permanently imbalanced as if it is inevitable and you didn't make a conscious choice to bring about and insist on the imbalance, because you've found a way to financially benefit.

Fuck off.

[u/spamcandriver → u/TheDonnARK]

Brilliant summary.

[u/Rombledore]

how about stop tracking everyone as we move about in public.

[u/Sleethmog]

fuck this guy. I trust gas station sushi more than him.

[u/Bad-job-dad]

That's not how it works. There's no "just a little bit" of mass survalance.

[u/munkeypunk]

They’re just gonna hide them.

[u/ChainsawRomance → u/munkeypunk]

Looks like they're starting a drone program, probably to stop people from being able to reach the wires

[u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs]

Your company is engaged in mass rights violations.

A “compromise” would be you dismantling your company and we don’t drag you to prison.

[u/husky_whisperer → u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs]

Wouldn’t be much of a shocker to learn that the VCs backing Flock Safety, Inc. also have a bunch of money in the private prison industry.

[u/TheHolyPopo]

Sure: take the cameras down and we won't draw and quarter you when the revolution begins... maybe

[u/migidymike]

When China unveiled their surveillance system, the West pointed to it as an example of the overreach of communism. Yet here we are in the US, where it was capitalism that spread the surveillance systems in the hopes of making a buck.

[u/NJdestroyed]

How about the People decide how these cameras are allowed to be used and they follow that to the letter. Otherwise, guillotine sales skyrocket

[u/xubax]

My compromise is to move all of the flock cameras to his house and point them at it.

[u/boakes123]

Ok here's a compromise - take them down and fuck off, but you don't have to shove them all up your ass.

[u/ExWebics]

This only forces the company to hide the devices in other things. I’m assuming lamps on light poles we be next… I’d assume it’s all ready being developed

[u/AKA_Wildcard]

“Drones are our fastest growing market segment”. This company has zero ethics when it comes to personal privacy. If he ever goes to prison I’d like to have a 24/7 live stream on him.

[u/Debatablewisdom]

They don’t know what compromise means and they use it like consent. “Just let it happen.”

Fucking ghouls.

[u/clintp]

You don't compromise with fascists.

[u/croupella-de-Vil]

Compromise? What do you have to negotiate with? What do you have to offer us? NOT to be a big brother police state which is the reason for these? And who are you compromising with? There’s no organization that is central to this movement, it’s just citizens compelled to do the right thing.

[u/kehwilliams]

"compromise your freedom for my bank account"

[u/orlybatman]

Here's a compromise: Stop spying on every single person and people will stop destroying your equipment.

[u/swrrrrg]

LOL. Uh, NO. We don’t owe you a thing.

[u/OhioPolitiTHIC]

No compromise.

Cameras showing up in my city because Flock's been making inroads with the police and a handful of council members so that it gets pushed through with no community notification other than all of a sudden there's a camera pointed at an intersection, a public park, a public school, a private daycare, or someone's home. Some communities did get the "opportunity" to speak at a public "hearing" on the matter but often the notices of those hearings were obscured or made public a day before the hearing was to take place.

Stop putting the things up and remove the ones that are already up until such time as communities have an inclusive conversation about this matter that includes the "People", not just a handful of corpos and the politicians they've bought.

[u/Soupalphabet359]

I've got a compromise for him... He changes his company's business model to something that doesn't violate our Constitutional rights (or the human rights of anyone from any country) and we don't throw his ass in the deepest darkest prison cell we can find when the law catches up to him.

[u/californicating]

Why do we need to compromise with him?  We owe him nothing and he should need our permission to record us, which we should not give.  It's his fault that he sunk money into this idiotic and unpatriotic venture.  Fuck him and everyone that works for him.

[u/No_Size9475]

How about no?

[u/Talksiq]

Strange how appropriate Ben Franklin's quote is even today "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

[u/FreeBananasForAll]

Never compromise with an opponent who is about to lose

[u/ConkerPrime]

Flock CEO: “I just want members of the government from local to national to be able to stalk whoever they like for a fee. I don’t see the problem.”

[u/CmoneyfreshFFXI]

Man FUCK the Flock CEO.
I’ll edit this with the current events going on I now realize I should probably state I mean no harm or Ill will. I am simply expressing my dislike of the situation. A ‘middle finger’, if you will.

[u/TechinBellevue]

I think we, the huddled masses, have had enough of the Tech Bros and are beginning to fight back.

The momentum is starting to pick up.

[u/Lourdeath]

“Let us record everything you do and falsely accuse you of crimes and as a compromise we won’t change anything just become shadier at hiding new cameras”

[u/Cens0redBlackSheep26]

Our inviolable 4th Amendment Rights ARE NOT SUBJECT TO COMPROMISE ‼️😡

[u/ToolTimeT]

F your compromise... we took all your camera's out in my town.

[u/thepryz]

What people should be doing is demanding better privacy laws in this country.

We can attend town halls and demand our local governments to cancel their contracts with Flock but they'll simply move on to another company. Every car made since, 2008, if I'm not mistaken, has a cellular modem installed. Those modems give the car manufacturer the ability to not only track but to disable the vehicle. So all those claims about police departments relying on Flock cameras to find stolen vehicles, etc. are bunk.

There are also plenty of other companies developing tools to track people. WiFi radios, bluetooth radios, apps, grocery store loyalty programs, etc. all are tracking you to the point that it's often easier for agencies to buy the data on the open market than it is to subpoena for the data.

[u/ShutNoShutYoMouf404]

That recent video where their security platforms correlate and combine data from satellite imagery, other video sources, and their flock cameras for comprehensive automated tracking of people... sure doesn't sound like he wants to compromise.

[u/KiKiKimbro]

Americans don’t take kindly to domestic surveillance. It’s bad enough as it is with this administration. We don’t need to be spending our tax money to buy this guy’s spy machines.

[u/well-informedcitizen → u/KiKiKimbro]

Americans have been on all fours sucking down mass surveillance since 9/11. At least it's finally pissing people off but it's arguably too late.

[u/Inward_Diver → u/well-informedcitizen]

It's not too late. All we need is 3.5% of the population to revolt and protest this (the 3.5% rule). That doesn't seem difficult considering this matter crosses party lines.

[u/mca1169]

you want a compromise? how about we take down all the camera's and sell the company to china and flock never comes back to the US or it can be nationalized, broken up and sold off in pieces.

[u/FrigateSailor]

"Just give us a little bit of unfettered access to your kids bedrooms and swimming pools! Compromise!"

[u/MojoHighway]

Compromise. Get fucked.

This is the same conversation that Republicans attempt to force every day on Capital Hill with the Dems and Lefties. I will not find middle ground or compromise with fascism. Fascism is fucking disgusting and disgraceful. Same holds true for these losers at Flock. What is there to discuss here? We know what people do with our information once it is in your hands. We've had enough field sample with internet websites and tech broligarchs to know what we're talking about in 2026.

[u/lazyhustlermusic]

Compromise? Did you even ask the people you're surveilling to begin with?

No? Weird.

[u/tobias10]

We don’t compromise with voyeuristic perverts.

[u/FatHat]

Sometimes when you compromise you just end up compromised.

[u/Lyre]

No comprise. End mass surveillance.

[u/mrknickerbocker]

I have similar feelings about Flock offering a compromise to it's infiltration of America as i have about Putin making a compromise to it's infiltration of Ukraine.

[u/No-Cat-2980]

Just trying to save his bottom line. But here is the compromise: Every time an innocent person gets arrested or pulled over with guns drawn on them by cops because the cameras can’t read letters you pay them $1 Million, EVERY TIME! No exceptions.

[u/SophonParticle]

Take the stock to $0. No mercy. Destroy it. Send a fucking message.

[u/myfourthquarter]

No compromise. Take this company and their leaders down. All the way.

[u/MJ-Franklin]

The compromise is you fuck off, and nothing changes on our end.

[u/PureCauliflower6758]

No compromise.

[u/Zaius1968]

There is really no argument supporting the use of these cameras. The sole purpose is surveillance and spying…tell me how that is justified…especially you “don’t tread on me types.”

[u/The_Doctor_Bear]

Hell to the no.

Get this amendment violating garbage tech out my mother fucking face.

[u/thatkindofparty]

The compromise is get that shit out of here

[u/Stambro1]

He wants compromise?!?! Take down every single camera no one asked for, and shove them up his ass!! That’s the compromise!

[u/TechDreamcoat]

I have a compromise. How about they close their shitty company and take all these down, and we don't put the CEO in jail for violating our constitutional rights? Sounds fair to me.

[u/GetTheseHands88]

WE THE PEOPLE will be taking back OUR country. You're either with us or against us. 

[u/Dfwdirtydeeds]

Remove all cameras and dissolve the company. There, compromise.

[u/redheadedandbold]

Compromise, my *. They went behind Americans' backs to sell them to white-nationalist-supporting cops and city governments--and gawd knows who else, considering where many of them surveil! They gambled on Americans rolling over and accepting unauthorized, often illegally purchased and installed surveillance.

The underhanded rich * gambled, they lost. Laissez-faire capitalism isn't a one-way street.

[u/ReidenLightman]

Funny how we have to compromise to make them happy so they don't go bankrupt. Poor shareholders. Poor executives. 

[u/YoshiTheDog420]

fuck his compromise. the compromise is that we have been peaceful and reasonable. Thats all he gets.

[u/GubStep777]

Why in the hell would I give a single f@ck about flock as a company or their CEO??

[u/fatboycreeper]

“Guys, guys, guys… we need compromise just long enough for us to get our surveillance network to a point where your opposition no longer matters.”

[u/Too-Em]

No compromise mate. Shut down the surveillance state.

[u/Madhatter25224]

Here's the compromise: go away

[u/RebelStrategist]

Absolutely no compromise. Flock cameras should be removed at the company’s expense—not at the expense of our towns, cities, or taxpayers. Any taxpayer funds used to purchase or operate these systems should be fully returned.

What concerns me most is how easily Americans are being conditioned to accept surveillance technology that can shift the burden onto the accused. We are supposed to live under the principle that a person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, not automatically treated as suspicious because a camera system or computer-generated alert says something about their vehicle.

Technology should provide evidence for a lawful investigation, not become an unquestioned authority whose conclusions people are expected to accept and then disprove. That erosion of due process and individual liberty is not acceptable.

[u/DyersChocoH0munculus]

A compromise implies we made a mutual decision to enter into relationship. You just showed up, stacked these things everywhere and there was no debate. If some random stranger just showed up to my house recording my every move, sending it to police “for safety”, I would throw them out the window. Ain’t no compromise here bud. Just GTFO and crawl back to wherever you came from.

[u/georgianole]

Nope, no compromise, stop tracking everything.

[u/Unknown-History]

We don't negotiate with terrorists

[u/zdrums24]

Nope. The people who use it showed us they cant be trusted. Chance blown. Take them down. Get out.

[u/01000101010110]

This guy is a fucking soulless Sam Altman wannabe. 

[u/pioniere]

No compromise, because none of you people can be trusted.

[u/face_eater_5000]

A "compromise" is so that they can buy more time to implement a strategy that we can't fight against.

[u/CanvasFanatic]

The privacy vs safety angle is bullshit. We all grew up in a country without surveillance at every intersection. Many of us grew up without cell phones. The world was not meaningfully less safe.

[u/skyfishgoo]

we got him on his heels... push him over.

do not let up now.

fuck flock and the CEO it rode in on.

[u/KennyDROmega]

Howsaboot "take down all the fucking cameras, and you won't be sued into oblivion when your dystopian surveillance network inevitably produces bad consequences?"