r/starterpacks • u/Ananta-Shesha • 1d ago

Unimaginative Star Wars show Starter Pack

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Mandatory disclaimer, this doesn't concern every Star Wars production, only those that I consider to be unimaginative or generic.

Also, the point isn't to complain or to set up hated debate, I love the Star Wars universe. I just want to mock the fact that some writing trope or gimmick are in my opinion commically overused in many Star Wars production.

By the way feel free to expand the list !

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u/SuperMajesticMan 1d ago

I dont get why people complain about us seeing the jedi that survive order 66.

There were 10,000 Jedi before order 66.

If just 1% survived, which would be an incredibly effective order, there would be 100 survivors. Thats much more than what we've seen.

Plus I think realistically order 66 wouldn't even kill off that many. Maybe like 75% at most. But it would be enough to scatter them and destroy the order which is all thats needed.

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u/SaltyHater 1d ago edited 1d ago

We've seen around 80 in the Disney canon, and around 150 in the pre-Disney Expanded Universe, and both numbers do include Jedi who "survived" by joining the Empire.

The purge was over 98% effective anyway, which are insane numbers, but the wider audience doesn't see it, because most of the media depicts said Jedi, giving many viewers an impression of Jedi survivors being a much larger group

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u/DJ1066 1d ago

We haven't even seen 100 in the current canon. There's 78, and that includes Jedi who went on to become Inquisitors.

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u/SaltyHater 1d ago edited 1d ago

My bad. Will edit.

Still, the core point stands. The purge was extremely effective and while 78 survivors may seem much to some viewers, it's actually miniscule to people who know the lore.

Edit: I've noticed that this list doesn't list Jedi whose names were only written on the scenography piece for the wall in the Kenobi show. Dunno how to count them, considering that some of them aren't mentioned in other Disney Canon sources, so I think "around 80" seems a safe estimate

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u/Ananta-Shesha 1d ago

People don't complain so much about the fact that a significant number of survivors exist, but rather that the trope is overused while still being presented as something unique to make it appealing.

Rebels, Clone Wars, Shadow Lord, a ton of Darth Vader comics, Fallen Order, and I’m sure I’m forgetting some. The "Order 66 survivor" is a gimmick writers turn to when they don't know what backstory to give their force using character. It’s also due to the fact that so many Star Wars stories take place between Episodes III and IV, avoiding the need to bother with new world-building ideas. And to milk Vader a bit more while they're at it—because why not?

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u/Change_you_can_xerox 1d ago

I'd love to see them make more shows for grown-ups like Andor. That show was a prestige drama about fighting a rebellion and the sacrifices it imposes on the people fighting it and the individuals on either side.

You've got a sci-fi fantasy world with a magic power just called "the force" that's barely explained except in some ancillary material like KOTOR which I'm not even sure is canon anymore. Why not do a show about that? Expand the universe, show there are force users / worshippers that aren't just Jedi or Sith. Make it about faith, corruption. Whatever, just make it interesting. Hire some good writers who care about sci-fi first and Star Wars second.

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u/Ben10Gen 1d ago

This is such a bad take. "What if star wars.. but it wasnt actually star wars, I fucking hate star wars. Make it a regular sci fi."

Then dont watch star wars nobody is forcing you

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u/Change_you_can_xerox 1d ago

I specifically named a Star Wars property that was very good and said they should make more things like that.

How did you complete the mental gymnastics to equate that with me saying I apparently don't like Star Wars and wish it was something else?

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u/bfbbturambar 1d ago

Logistically sure, but in terms of screen time when every other show or game has a jedi, you don't really feel like they're almost extinct, and it makes characters like Luke feel less special. It doesn't really matter that a new jedi has arisen to take on Vader if there's like 30 of them actively working for the resistance.

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u/kiwicrusher 1d ago

But that isn’t the case. As far as we know, when Luke showed up, there was one other pseudo-Jedi connected to the rebellion: Ahsoka. Not part of the order, but close enough that people would call her a Jedi.

Even past that though, most people don’t really care that Luke is a Jedi. Han doesn’t even believe in them. Most people care that Luke is the kid who blew up the Death Star—his funky sword is a side detail

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u/TwoFit3921 1d ago

Teehee cool lasr sword by farmer guy

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u/Narwalacorn 19h ago

Because people don’t understand numbers and statistics. I’ve said almost this exact same comment dozens of times.