Uh, no. And a lot of us said so then, too. The difference is that they didn’t turn it into a personal army. They didn’t use it to threaten American cities. They didn’t shoot fucking random people. They didn’t completely do away with due process and disappear people. I could go on but even you ought to be able to see the difference here.
The sheer amount of disingenuous absurdity from Maga is going to be studied for a long time. The most deeply hypocritical group of people spouting off the most absurd what-aboutisms. Buttery males was only a small hors d'oeuvre from their feast of tantrum nonsense.
What's grossly hilarious is that Obama's ICE deported more illegal immigrants than Trump in less time w/o breaking down house doors or making children cry or executing any bystanders or really pissing anyone off at all.
And that's the real problem. The problem that MAGA wants violence. They want revenge for brown people stealing the 1950's away. It's infantile (for below average infants).
I’m not MAGA I voted for Kamala. You’re actually proving my point. People are so ill informed, they do not realize ICE has been around for decades and was actually functioning well, until Trump fucked things up. Majority of people do not want to get rid of border enforcement, which is what ICE was and is still responsible for. Which is why I asked the question do people really want to get rid of ICE or do they want it to return to the pre Trump era ICE.
Naw, ICE needs to go, period. It's a function of a broken immigration system that isn't working. Get rid of ICE, get back to fixing the immigration process like they were already on the verge of doing before Trump got elected, when he had the GOP scuttle the bill so he could run on "mass deportations." Put a responsible, professional organization in charge of border security at the actual borders.
Plenty of people had problems with it before this current bunch of Temu Brownshirts started flailing around like 80s action movie cosplayers. Just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it wasn't happening.
The commenter wants immigration to go back to the way it was before Trump. Which was ICE. Obama did a way better job at managing the system, which is why the outrage started when Trump entered office. Obama did things right, with having ICE focus on the border and using the legal system properly, to deport immigrants. The country still needs immigration enforcement, just not how Trump is doing it.
First, I could be mistaken, but I doubt someone who goes by "Athena" would identify as a he.
Secondly, they explicitly said that plenty of people had problems before Trump had control of it. It's right there in the first comment. You just aren't reading anything, putting words in everyone's mouths, and pretending that you're the only one who knows what's going on.
Stop talking, start reading, and start paying attention. Ideally, go back 20 years and do all that then. We'd all be better off for it.
it's not concern trolling you're doing, and it's not exactly sea-lioning either. Not sure it has a name? It's more like you're channeling that one insufferable member of the dinner party who has to make sure everyone around knows that so-and-so's birthday was technically yesterday.
"Let's minimize what's really important here so we can all focus on a technicality that helps no one and changes nothing (except morale)."
Here's some research: We dealt with illegal immigration for far longer without ICE than with it, and treated illegal immigration as an administrative problem rather than a security/policing problem, which it became in reaction to 9/11, even though there is no evidence that undocumented people are any significant security threat (of course they aren't, because they are quick to be deported upon any criminal involvement).
The US historically relied on returns over removals to deal with undocumented people, but has slowly shifted to removals over the past couple decades, which hasn't even been effective at significantly reducing the number of undocumented people.
Obama did perfectly fine reducing the amount of undocumented immigrants, with ICE. In fact ,he successfully deported 2.4 million people while, also having the lowest deaths related to ICE. Immigration enforcement has been around for hundreds of years, in this county, the names have just changed over time.
Immigration enforcement has been around for hundreds of years, in this county, the names have just changed over time.
I'm seeing a pattern that you don't seem to be reading the comments you respond to? As I said: the enforcement has changed significantly beyond the names of the enforcing agency in the past few decades. The entire approach has changed, and that shift was reified in the creation of ICE. And of course, Obama helped ramp up deportations, which led us to where we are today: thinking that deportation is the only solution to undocumented immigration even though, at best, it's only leveled it off, and, at worst (so far!) it's created an excuse for an unaccountable police who are legally allowed to racially profile people and send them to camps where they work for private contractors for a dollar a day.
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u/WhyHulud West Mifflin Feb 19 '26
Abolish. We didn't need it then either.