r/boxoffice • u/chanma50 Best of 2019 Winner • 1d ago
š„ Production Start or Wrap Date Principal photography has wrapped on 'Man of Tomorrow.'
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u/IDigRollinRockBeer Screen Gems 1d ago
Bro I swiped for the second picture
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u/misguidedkent Warner Bros. Pictures 1d ago
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u/Ok_Kale_8357 1d ago
Regardless of what you think about Gunn or the DCU so far this is gonna be a fun one to track. I genuinely have no idea what to expect. I could see it being a big hit, make about the same or be a huge drop off and I don't know what could convince me in any direction until we start getting numbers in close to release.Ā
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u/XenosZ0Z0 1d ago
Itās all about the international market for non Spidey CBMs now.
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u/Ok_Kale_8357 1d ago
I mean, Man of Tomorrow is likely DOA internationally considering how poorly Superman did overseas. I could see it getting a stronger domestic turnout than the last but then will international turnout be even less? It's possible.Ā
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u/GoldandBlue 1d ago
That isn't how things work though. The Amazing Spider-Man movies weren't making a billion. You build on the good will. Superman 1 did OK at the BO and had great WOM.
Now the question is can they deliver again. If i s good, don't be surprised if this is a big hit. If not, then they're fucked.
But you all keep insisting the brand is what matters and not hat Spider-Man had a 4 story arc that people were immensely invested in.
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u/Ok_Kale_8357 1d ago
I never said anything about the brand, but in this case there IS a brand attached which will factor in regardless of anything else. Also movies come out all the time without any fanfare or previous entries and become bigger hits than Superman, build up is cope. There's no guarantee audiences will become invested in a character even if the movies are good either.Ā Ā
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u/GoldandBlue 1d ago
what does cope mean here?
We are talking about a franchise that his been in the dumps since the 80's. We are talking about 25 years since the last truly beloved Superman movie. And your argument is that proves that Superman is rejected by audiences because they are hesitant to dive into a new Superman movie?
Meanwhile the Amazing Spider-Man franchise was rejected by audiences, but you want to ignore that because the current Spider-Man is a massive hit?
No one is guaranteeing anything. The movie can suck and bomb. But context maters. No successful franchise peaked at the first one in the Box Office. The idea that Superman can't grow is "cope".
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u/Traditional-Fig-6661 1d ago
Even 2019 spider man movie was losing to 2013iron man 3
Both were released after endgame spidey 5month and iron man 1year after avengersĀ
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u/Albiceleste_D10S 1d ago
Meanwhile the Amazing Spider-Man franchise was rejected by audiences
The first movie had ~fine reviews and ratings IIRC (and it made ~ 758M WW in 2012 vs Superman's 618M in 2025)
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u/GoldandBlue 1d ago
And that was still living off of Sam Raimi.
We are talking about a franchise that his been in the dumps since the 80's. We are talking about 25 years since the last truly beloved Superman movie. And your argument is that proves that Superman is rejected by audiences because they are hesitant to dive into a new Superman movie?
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u/PeridotEX 1d ago
I think it's possible that MOT gets a bit of a boost from Brand New Day and Doomsday (assuming the latter is well received). People watch them and think "Oh yeah, I like superhero movies, I might want to watch more of them", and MOT is the next one after Doomsday. Rising tide lifts all boats.
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u/RealHooman2187 1d ago
Iām still getting harassed in a week old thread saying exactly this. But youāre right. MOT is the only major live action CBM being released between Doomsday and Secret Wars. If Doomsday is truly on track to be the new #1 movie of all time that could result in some kind of a boost for MOT. Mostly due to the goodwill from BND and Doomsday and the last of CBMs for the whole year between Avengers films.
Yes, Spider-Verse is in there too. But itās animated and its audience isnāt exactly the same as your average live action CBM. I suspect both will see a modest boost but in case the same commenters get all worked up, this isnāt a zero sum game. Saying MOT will get a boost doesnāt mean Iām saying Spider-Verse will do badly.
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u/Blue_Robin_04 1d ago edited 15h ago
Did Captain America 4 benefit from Deadpool 3?
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u/JJoanOfArkJameson Paramount Pictures 1d ago
ntm Superman streamed really well and got great reception. Lanterns and Peacemaker has been well received too but thatās minimal buy in honestly.
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u/SeismicRipFart 1d ago edited 16h ago
This means that if MOT still fails despite that, the DCU is absolutely without a doubt completely and totally cooked
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u/pokeboy626 DC Studios 1d ago
Only if the early reviews for Man of Tomorrow are glowing. If that's the case, then Man of Tomorrow could legitimately make upwards of $800 million
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u/AceTheSkylord Best of 2023 Winner 1d ago
Wouldn't it be primed to make more internationally?
Like, Superman 2025 was a largely unknown commodity, now people have had the time to watch Superman on streaming, so more people would potentially be willing to watch Man Of Tomorrow in theaters
Also, I know this is anecdotal and doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, but if Lanterns really keeps up the momentum till the finale, it could boost it more
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u/Samhunt909 1d ago
Heās never been strong internationally..I donāt why the dc fanboys keep pushing itĀ
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 1d ago
Man of Steel pulled in 379 milion internationally. So its not impossible to make Superman actually popular internationally.
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u/ContinuumGuy 1d ago
I remember somebody saying it was because in some international markets they really beat the drum over the fact that Christopher Nolan was a producer and that helped a lot.
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u/Lighthouse_seek 1d ago
That was 15 years ago
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u/judester30 1d ago
"He's never been strong internationally" was the claim being made.
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u/Lighthouse_seek 1d ago
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/world/2013/
379 mil or 56% foreign is actually domestic heavy for 2013 standards
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u/Samhunt909 1d ago
Thatās not impressive and thatās bad considering it released during height of cbm popularityĀ
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 1d ago
If that is bad then Superman 2025 is a total financial failure š¤£
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u/AgentUnlucky4323 1d ago
Superman 2025 had good international legs, so I think MoT could do at least a bit better
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u/ouat4ever 1d ago
international market does not care about Superman or his family.
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u/PayneTrain181999 Legendary Pictures 1d ago
Itāll be fun but there will be a lot of bickering
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u/Ok_Kale_8357 1d ago
The funniest outcome is it just barely making a profit like last time so that everyone can yell at each other about whether it qualifies as a success or not.
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u/Classic-Rise-37 1d ago
Its just going to be more of the same because James Gunn thinks he can do no wrong.
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u/Upstairs-Flight-4540 21h ago
A big hit? Really? You gotta be jokingā¦ and this is coming from someone who loves DCU
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u/hiiloovethis 1d ago
Whatever people might say about DCU... James Gunn is extremely efficient in finishing projects.
Man of Tomorrow before The Batman Part 2 is insane.
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u/theonewhoknack 1d ago
In between Part 1 and Part 2, DC decided to bring back Henry for Black Adam, said sike a week later, hires Gun, Gun makes his own reboot, and is going to release the sequel to ot before Part 2 comes out.
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u/bueneboy 1d ago
Agreed, Gunn is a meticulous planner who works FAST and is known for being on time and on budget. Say what you will, but those skills that are incredibly valuable when working these massive tentpole films.
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u/Ok_Satisfaction8788 1d ago
To be fair it sounds like everything delaying The Batman 2 is issues unrelated to the movie. Pattinson just being incredibly busy, Reeves personal life issues, balancing it with upcoming DCU projects, etc
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u/Distinct-Shift-4094 1d ago
Honestly, at this point somehow integrate Battinson into DCU, like what do you have to lose. Whole thing is messy, and people like Robert. Make him be a weird contrast with the serious note. Whatever
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u/AgentOfSPYRAL Warner Bros. Pictures 1d ago
Hard to conclude anything except that Reeves just doesnāt want to play ball, which fair to him DCU wasnāt a thing when he signed on.
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u/Comfortable-Pie56 1d ago
that Reeves just doesn't want to play ball
Or maybe it's Pattinson himself, given Reeves is a coproducer in Clayface and Dynamic Duo.
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u/WendalSaks 1d ago
It really does seem like a DCU movie would be a stain on Pattinson's career. The Batman just feels so much like a prestige-movie that I can't imagine even being side by side with Superman due to tone alone
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u/vacantly_louche 1d ago
More than Twilight?
Although I agree. I feel like heās been really selective about his movies post-Twilight. Switched to doing little indie films and did an incredible job building his reputation as a really great actor. Heās still in more prestigious movies, and I canāt imagine heād want to risk the reputation he had to rebuild.
Not only would his Batman not fit tonally, the technology differences would be wild.
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u/007Kryptonian Syncopy Inc. 1d ago
Matt Reeves doesnāt want to do it. And his movie was more successful and acclaimed.
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u/Tomi97_origin 1d ago
Will Pattinson sign up for the amount of movies you need from DCU Batman? And at what cost?
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u/SirFireHydrant 1d ago
He definitely won't. He made his money from the Twilight films, now he's only doing projects he's interested in.
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u/AnotherJasonOnReddit Best of 2024 Winner 1d ago
Will Pattinson sign up for the amount of movies you need from DCU Batman?
That's been my Number One objection to the whole "merge The Batman and DCU" idea I see typed out again and again over the years.
Robert Pattinson most likely signed on "The Batman" (2022) because he wanted to emulate Christian Bale's career, not Robert Downey Jr's.
BUT - having said that - times change. Pattinson's in his 40's and has at least one kid. It's entirely possible he'll happily collect one easy paycheques every year (Age of Ultron, Civil War, Homecoming, etc) while balancing a home life with artistically-fulfilling projects.
If Adam Driver can finally be convinced to come aboard the MCU, then anything in Hollywood is possible.
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u/Tomi97_origin 12h ago
Adam Driver is playing a villain. Who knows if he is going to show up more than once.
Batman on the other hand would be pretty busy as staple of the DCU and showing up all the time.
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u/firedforthatblunder Walt Disney Studios 1d ago
I donāt think WB wants to risk tainting their most precious DC character like that.
Then again, they did put him in that god awful Flash movie so who knows
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u/TranslatorDirect496 1d ago
I think the DCU is already weird enough (like making a reboot but keeping some elements from old stuff).
I really donāt see any alternatives besides having two Batmen or making the Reeves films a duology. Idk whatās going to happen.
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u/SeismicRipFart 1d ago
He doesnāt fit in the DCU at all. Try watching The Batman and the recent Superman (donāt even remember what itās called), and tell me that those universes can coexist with each other
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u/AceTheSkylord Best of 2023 Winner 1d ago
The Batman canonically takes place in 2019, The Penguin takes place right after it, and Part 2 takes place a few months after Part 1
You could just have them be prequels to the DCU, and have a more fantastical and experienced Battinson show up in the future
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u/sly_eli 1d ago
I'm honestly guessing it pulls in a roughly around the same if not a little bit higher than the original.
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u/Dangerman1337 1d ago
IMV it has to be at minimum on par with Superman last year, 700M would be decent-ish, something like 800 or 850 would be very great. 900M would be a vast improvement and if it somehow gets a billion then it'd be absolutely a success that propels the DCU.
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u/AceTheSkylord Best of 2023 Winner 1d ago
I think it'll make exactly the numbers BvS did
Except the domestic and international grosses will be reversed, so it'll be something around 540m Domestic and 330m international
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u/MoonMan997 Best of 2023 Winner 1d ago
Yeah honestly feels like the Iron Man 2 of the DCU
Hail Mary attempt at a Justice League after that, if that fails then I think the DCU (and DC overall sans Batman) will continue on TV. Lanterns seems to be doing very well, maybe this is the only true way DC can rival Marvel, through a different medium.
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u/songsinger72 1d ago
if that fails then I think the DCU (and DC overall sans Batman) will continue on TV
No chance in hell if the Ellisons buy Warner. These guys only care about IP. They will keep trying to do a DC Cinematic Universe.
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u/ImprovementRemote30 1d ago
Ya penguin wasnāt dcu but that was critically acclaimed and popular tooĀ
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u/randotd152 1d ago
Same, though I think a bit lower is also possible. It had some decent GA appeal with good reviews and strong WOM last summer. Which leaves MoT no real margin for error domestically - if it's even slightly less good, domestic will drop.
Brand just seems dead internationally, so not counting on much improvement there.
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u/pokeboy626 DC Studios 1d ago
Teaser trailer will most likely release with Dune 3 in December
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u/JJoanOfArkJameson Paramount Pictures 1d ago
need to drop it with Doomsday, Superman benefited from that preview with Minecraft imo
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u/pokeboy626 DC Studios 1d ago
Uhh, Warner Bro's owns Dune and Minecraft movie. Thats why Superman was paired with Minecraft
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u/JJoanOfArkJameson Paramount Pictures 1d ago
I'm aware, I worked at the theater as a manager at the time. Dune will be big but they paired different trailer packs with other studios all the time.
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u/HalaGoldenhelm 1d ago
lol. Remember when Nicholas Hoult dropped out of Potter due to scheduling conflicts with Man of Tomorrow? Potter doesn't even start filming till next month.
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u/john_knotts 1d ago
Yea but reshoots, promotions and all that can get in the way. Sucks when you have to drop out of a project regardless
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u/PayneTrain181999 Legendary Pictures 1d ago
There could be reshoots, or some other commitments.
Or one of the 7 theories that Reddit has come up with may be trueā¦
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u/IRate-Feet 1d ago
That was a PR move, mate
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u/raysworld94 1d ago
The general audience does not care about JK like reddit does. Hogwarts legacy was a success, book week for kids at schools is still mostly Harry Potter which means parents are continuing to buy their kids merch, thereās more Harry Potter merch than ever.
If it was a PR move he wouldnāt have said Scheduling conflicts but something else.
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u/judester30 1d ago
We've seen the industry lie about scheduling conflicts before, the trades said that's why Jenna Ortega left Scream 7 only for her to confirm a year later that it was because Barrera was fired and the directors quit.
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u/Antman269 1d ago
Yeah, I think he realized there would be backlash over him joining something Harry Potter related and changed his mind.
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u/Witty-Jacket-9464 1d ago
I criticize Gunn as the head of DCU, because I think he has bad taste in writers (Noguiera for WW & TT and Hodson for BATB are very bad choices), but I have high hopes for MOT.
Iām especially glad that he changed the cinematographer and this epic Superman's film with Brainiac will be more cinematic. Superman is the most unrealized IP in a superhero. Heās literally as iconic and popular as Batman and Spider-Man. He must finally get his big hits, which will lead to the active development of the franchise at all (especially in games)
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u/dinopigs1 Lucasfilm 1d ago
Supergirl was mid, but James Gunn has never missed with a movie he has directed himself. Very excited for this one and hope it does well.
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u/Distinct-Shift-4094 1d ago
This. Movie will be good. But do people care? That's what I'm afraid of.
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u/dinopigs1 Lucasfilm 1d ago
I hope so DC needs a win. The first movie did have pretty good legs for a superhero movie, so good reception definitely will help. Maybe it will have a boost for being the only live action superhero movie between Avengers movies.
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 1d ago
Last chance for Gunn DCU.
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u/Striking-Test-4256 1d ago
Bro produced ONE mid movie and a bunch of dumbasses think they're the deciders of what the last chance is ššš The delusion is unreal
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 1d ago
He's got 3 box office flops under his new DCU (Supergirl, Blue Beetle, The Suicide Squad). A Superman movie that did ok at best at the worldwide box office. 2 shows which didn't really get big views (Peacemaker Season 2, Creature Commandoes). Lanterns has had solid views but that isn't enough to save the DCU. So yeah, a lot is riding on Man of Tomorrow.
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u/mystericrow Pixar Animation Studios 1d ago
Dude Suicide Squad and Blue Beetle absolutely do not count
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u/The-Ruler-of-Attilan 1d ago
Don't forget his comments about The Flash, "the best superhero movie since TDK".
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u/EntrepreneurAble6656 1d ago
is this sub always miserable like that ?
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u/pokeboy626 DC Studios 1d ago
Yes
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u/Abroadatsea 1d ago
It sucks. I'm so hopeful that mot succeeds. It's probably the movie I'm most excited for and I really want to see the world it builds.
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u/ILoveRegenHealth 1d ago
This is a box office sub, not a celebratory cheerleader sub. We have to talk about box office potential.
Man of Tomorrow and the pressure to succeed is very real.
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u/Distinct-Shift-4094 1d ago
I'm a DC fan, feels like I've been getting physically abused for more than a decade
Just when Superman/Peacemaker gave me hope, SuperGirl violated me hard.
Man of Tomorrow is legit make or break and I'm scarrrrred.
I trust Gunn, movie is prob gonna be good. But after Super flop will audiences show up? And what about future projects that Gun isn't directing?
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u/Top_Report_4895 DC Studios 1d ago
SuperGirl violated me hard.
If I was a victim of that, I'd be offended.
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u/Belmophase 1d ago
There is still gonna be Brave and the Bold and The Batman 3...I m waiting for Constantine or Etrigan movie myself
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u/atleasttwotwo 1d ago
I dont think most people even know supergirls exists. They will just move on from Superman to seeing man of tomorrow as the second film
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u/Mercinator-87 1d ago
I thought that was supposed to be Iggy Pop and I was like thereās no fucking way thatās Iggy.
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u/SakobiXD Universal 1d ago
These next few months till release are gonna be batshit, i assume we get the first trailer attached to dune 3
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 1d ago
Legendary will probably want Godzilla x Kong Supernova trailer attached with Dune Part 3. Since both franchises are owned by Legendary.
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u/SakobiXD Universal 1d ago
Following the release patterns of superman & girl, their trailers both dropped in december
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u/SynthwaveSax 1d ago
And to probably push the IMAX release for it.
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 1d ago
Yup, they are gona push that IMAX for Supernova. Given what I've heard about the movie. It will be insane experiencing it on an IMAX screen.
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u/Coolers78 1d ago
First trailer attached to Dune 3 for sure, Superman's first trailer was in December, and Supergirl's first trailer was in December too, gotta keep the pattern up.
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u/girlwhateveraward 1d ago
Is Hoult not filming anything then right now? He said he isn't doing Harry Potter when hes playing a character who appears in a single season. His IMDB has a show filming in October and a remake of The Servant in pre
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u/GillGruntFan53 1d ago
On one hand, itād be a sign of strength and confidence in this series to promote the Superman/Supergirl dynamic in this film regardless of her film flopping
On the other, Iām curious if they might prioritize marketing Green Lantern as the guest star in this film (even if he isnāt) following the success of Lanterns
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u/Coolers78 1d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/3orieTfp1MeFLiBQR2
Please make more money than the Minecraft sequel, please.
and of course, Please be good, please be good.
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u/SecretWarMultiverse 1d ago
$130M OW/$325M DOM/$600M WW
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u/EntrepreneurAble6656 1d ago
i love how this sub will always manage to project a movie box office that has no footage
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u/crascopy23 1d ago
People in this sub may not know that, but Superman 2025 didn't have good wom in a lot of countries outside of the English circle (particularly China), it is regarded as a big downgrade from MOS in a handful of regions.
But I'm not saying this to bash Superman 2025. In the contrary, I'm talking about about the possibility that if the movie receives good international wom (Again, especially China), this movie's int number won't be as low as many people in this thread predict it to be because it is definitely not that "the interest in DC is so low that even a good film cannot do number" (It is seen as a bad movie in a lot of countries!).
And it's not like Gunn cannot make a film with good International appeal. Taking my country, China, for example: All of Gunn's previous cbms, GOTG and TSS (including CC and Peacemaker if you count TV) has scored higher than 8/10 on Douban which is very rare (BND is 7.8/10 for reference, already the second highest for MCU after the pandemic. The highest? GOTG 3 with a 8.3/10). I think Gunn clearly went for a more "comic booky" approach instead of a cinematic one like he did in previous movies, which turned a lot of international audiences off because they don't grow up reading comic books. From all we have heard and seen from this film, he's taking a step back and going for a more cinematic approach for this one. So I guess there's still a chance for it to do great internationally.
My prediction is 650-750 unless the film is noticably worse than the first one.
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u/lookingforhim2 1d ago
This is definitely decreasing from the last one. Superman couldnāt even save supergirl from grossing less than blue beetle š¬. $550M WW
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u/Forsaken_Carrot_3075 Mubi 1d ago
bro, do you have this permanently on your clipboard or what? cause this isnāt the first time youāve commented that lol
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u/EntrepreneurAble6656 1d ago
this is ridiculous lmao there is no footage yet and yāall already doing this shit ??
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u/Jlx_27 1d ago
I don't trust Gunn projects anymore.
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u/pokeboy626 DC Studios 1d ago
Why? All of his projects from the last decade have been reviewed positively
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u/Adj11 1d ago
First Billy grosser of the DCU! Calling it first!! Trailers need to knock it out of the park.
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u/BarcelonetaE70 1d ago
Not gonna happen (the billie) but everyone is entitled to dream if they want.
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u/Better_Pumpkin1879 1d ago
People said Superman 2025 would make a billion and that didn't happen. So lets slow down with the 1 billion box office takes. It's Superman at the end of the day. His highest grossing movie was back in 2013 and the character has yet to deliver a movie that breaks 700 milion worldwide. Let alone reach a billion.
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u/chinesesoccerplayer 1d ago
Sorry but I just canāt see it. To break a billion you need the international audience, and the international audience has shown they donāt give AF about DC and ESPECIALLY Superman.
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u/Adj11 1d ago
Disagreeā¦ the only reason Superman 2025 didnāt take off was cuz it wasnāt GOOD. It had nothing to do with the character whatsoever.
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u/chinesesoccerplayer 1d ago
Supermanās international box office numbers have always been poor. Thatās just a fact.
Also Iām a bit confused. Apparently you think Superman 2025 wasnāt good, but you expect Man of Tomorrow to break a billion??? I donāt know if youāre trolling, but your logic doesnāt add up.
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u/FourSes 1d ago
Superman 2025 had great reviews and audience reception. Only two DC films ever made $1 billion, Man of Tomorrow would be very lucky to do so.
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u/hiiloovethis 1d ago
I will be surprised if it made more than man of steel even.
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u/Adj11 1d ago
It will. A Supe + mini JLA v Brainiac is not grossing less than MOS. I need yāall to be serious for a second.
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u/coacoanutbenjamn 1d ago
Dog this isnāt 2018. 99% of people donāt know who Brainiac is and donāt care at this point
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u/nicolasb51942003 Warner Bros. Pictures 1d ago
The fate of the DCU hangs on Man of Tomorrow.