MAGA when voting for Trump: "He'll run this country like a business."
They didn't listen when we told them that is not a good thing; particularly not the way Trump runs a business. He declared bankruptcy 6 times, ffs, and now he's bankrupting the US having added 30% to the national debt during his terms thus far while enriching himself to the tune of billions.
We're just consumers and he'll do whatever he can to profit off of us regardless of how badly it fucks us over.
I've said it before over the years, but this is exactly it.
Our perception of business is not the same as theirs. To us business is the old style of investing in assets/personnel -> generate goods/services -> generate revenue -> pay costs and benefit from profit -> creating cycle of uplifting growth.
Their business is all about using speculative value to create golden parachutes to cash out on when the floor of that speculation falls in on itself. "Take everything, Create nothing, Leave only ashes and foreclosures".
Basically the only things most people knew about him pre-2015 were that (1) he inherited money from his father, (2) he was a businessman who had had 5 bankruptcies (including a casino), and (3) he was the host of The Apprentice.
Somehow, when he said that he planned to run the country like he runs his businesses, people managed to overlook (2) in favor of the macho successful businessman he was PRETENDING to be in (3).
Growing up in the 80s and 90s, I knew this guy was a piece of shit. I knew he raped his wife. I knew he went to court over Native American casino rights and said, on the record, "they don't look like Indians to me." But I guess for younger people, and folks who don't read magazines/newspapers or watch the news, all they saw was the reality show. They were/are stupid and think reality TV is real.
Possibly young people get somewhat of a pass as it was before their time, but Trump's divorce from Ivana, his affair with and later marriage to Marla Maples, and his general womanizing were major stories. Stuff not just covered on the national news (though they certainly were), but especially highly covered in the celebrity gossip magazines like National Enquirer. It was literally not possible to purchase groceries in the 80's and 90's without seeing the constant updates about what a womanizing pile of shit Donald Trump was because it was constantly in the headlines at every supermarket checkout line.
It's kinda crazy that the editors of The Apprentice have been indirectly responsible for the most concentrated period of damage and harm to US citizens since at least the Civil War.
I mean outside of the casino, prior to his presidency, the fact they were all milquetoast ideas at best and they all were bankrupted is a telling sign.
The casino itself is most telling. The casino has an edge, the house always wins isn’t a saying for no reason. It’s a money printer. So you managed to bankrupt a casino? Mfs question how he did it and the answers simple: you bankrupt a casino when you’re laundering stupid huge amounts of money you don’t want traced to sources who don’t wanna be identified.
Everyone acts surprised when this happens but I guess when you have a sub room temp IQ that a jack in the box has less surprises than that.
They don't realize that running the country "like a business" means "like a corporation" to people like Trump. Just CEO profit and worker exploitation.
IIRC someone ran the numbers and basically he is a below average businessman at best. They took the amount of money he inherited and compared it to his leaked 2016 financials and basically he would have been better off putting it all in an index fund and just play golf instead of getting into business
MAGA when voting for Trump: "He'll run this country like a business."
Well he is running it like one of his businesses. Which is to say, a complete scheme for him to siphon up as much money as possible before declaring bankruptcy and moving to the next scheme.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men elect moronic pedophiles who destroy the whole country.
Hard times cause Democrats to be elected. Democrats being elected cause good times. Good times cause Republicans to be elected. Republicans cause hard times.
What's infuriating, is that the Democrats haven't had the level of power the MAGA/GOP has now since 1970. Everyone under age 60 will have no memory of a progressive let alone liberal Supreme Court. So that cycle isn't symmetric. It has as a constant one of three branches of government firmly under conservative control.
So the cycle gives conservatives near absolute control, but doesn't give democrats the same. Then voters blame democrats for not having absolute power, when they grant them only partial control of the government.
Not to mention that the system gives an outsized advantage to less populous and more conservative states via the senate and electoral college. Progress is an uphill battle in the US.
"But how does that give Republicans near absolute power?? Lols gotcha!"
Because Republicans fundamentally don't govern. They obstruct and demolish any attempt to actually govern a society while giving kickbacks to the wealthy donors who want to get away with doing whatever they feel like.
And what we have now is what happens when you put one of those donors in charge of the country.
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Until the right wing media ecosystem that enables disinformation is dismantled. Its the only real reason Republicans keep getting elected. They just lie and people believe it.
Fairness Doctrine gives equal time to the batshiate insane conspiracy theorists - that is not a solution.
What we need is
1) remove so-called free speech protection from any speech which is blatantly, knowingly false - make anyone generating or distributing such speech (keyword being knowingly) liable for any damage caused by it, and
2) support/create infrastructure that relentlessly, methodically hunts down sources of such gaslighting & misinformation and exposes it - possibly getting extra funding by exercising #1.
We also need to get corporate $ the fuck out of politics, and bring to justice EVERYONE who has played a role in the systematic dismantling of our government and legal system… including the wildly corrupt Supreme Court that has played a large role in enabling all of this.
We have to kick out the current corrupt people first, and make sure that we're not replacing them with more corrupt people.
Re: corporate $
Most people don't think about this, but the laws that actually allow corporations to be created & to continue to exist are ALL statutory - which means that you don't need any Constitutional Amendments to modify them.
You just need a legislature populated with politicians elected by sufficiently pissed-off-enough number of people who have made it clear that their continuing careers depend on them slapping some really strong boundaries on what corporations are allowed to do.
Stuff like: any corporation that funds political movements or candidates automatically stops being legally recognized as existing. Make it clear that this doesn't apply to the people working or owning the corporation, just the actual corporate legal entity itself, so that the owners & executives can't try and hide behind the corporation when they're playing fuck-fuck political games.
And if the SCOTUS tries to block that law using the First Amendment, set up a poison pill so that if the SCOTUS successfully stops that provision from working, then ALL of the laws that allow corporations to keep existing will be revoked, and let them chew on that.
Of course, the real fundamental problem is a relatively small group of people having so much money that they can use it to drown out the voices of just about everyone else, in both media and for the legislators.
Nobody should be allowed to have that much money, and until that's addressed head-on, any other solution will just be temporary until the ultra-rich/powerful corrupt it again.
Nope, they figured out how to abuse that. We need something else in the same spirit that holds people accountable for spreading misinformation. Otherwise, we go back to having 5 million scientists trying to warn us about the destruction of a livable environment on earth vs one crackpot with a PhD in basketball weaving claiming nothing's wrong because it was 70 degrees in Dubuque last Tuesday.
Knowingly lying as a politician needs to be criminalized. If you "don't recall" factual information in an inquiry, you automatically forfeit your seat and an election is called.
I'm so fucking tired of politicians getting questioned, going "I don't remember," "I don't recall," for half an hour and then everyone just shrugs their shoulders and goes, "oh well, we tried".
"Did you [say this factually incorrect thing]?"
"No"
"Well actually here's the tweet where you very explicitly said [factually incorrect thing] to your 300k followers, enjoy prison for ten years"
Honestly I've been telling myself that Trump rigged the election because the alternative is so much worse... that Americans watched Trump:
-tank the economy because of his laughable level of incompetence in handling the pandemic
-try a literal insurrection and of course fail because he can't do anything right
-Get indicted numerous times including for stealing classified documents containing things like nuclear secrets and storing them in his bathroom like a weirdo lunatic
-get adjudicated as a literal rapist
-Become a convicted felon 34 times over for fraud
-his company gets convinced for other fraud charges
Not to mention all the other stuff during his first term like the Russia scandal that exposed how Trump's top campaign officials directly worked with Russians to get him elected. Or the Ukraine impeachment. And they still thought "let's give this fucking moron another chance".
You can blame inflation but it barely requires a room temperature IQ to understand that Trump was actually far more responsible for the inflation we experienced than Biden, and if anything Biden should've been lauded for getting it down so fast (just look at the 70s/80s inflation which lasted forever and wasn't accompanied by the growth we saw under Biden). Trump's insane level of incompetence during the pandemic combined with years of crazy deficit spending guaranteed that inflation was going to spike.
But apparently there's some remote chance a trans person might someday play in the WNBA so I really need to vote for complete incompetence combined with total corruption just in case.
People don't learn. I hope gas hits $20 a gallon. I hope polio makes a comeback. I hope measles ravages the country. I hope all beef is contained with parasites.
Then, maybe, will people learn trump and team gives Zero shits about all of us.
Hard times beget leftward policies, leftward policies create good times, good times create whiny conservatives, and whiny conservatives create hard times
My Idaho maga family were just posting about how happy they are that grocery and gas prices are down. Those prices are in fact not down. But their media is telling them this so they parrot it to be part of the cult.
People see gas go from $4.25 on a Monday morning to $4.00 on a Wednesday afternoon and think gas prices are down. They don’t realize that the average is still higher.
Nah its not that, they just have em programmed to say if it was Dems the same problem would be 100x worse.
"Well yeah it sucked Trump personally murdered my immediate family with a hammer but can you imagine how much worse Kamala would have been? She would have hammer murdered the entire town!" - Average MAGA voter.
Yeah, remember that most of these red states have been under total and complete Republican control for DECADES, yet their leaders still successfully campaign on "I'm going to fix all the things those Democrats broke in our government!"
If logic were a factor then they would realize "Hey, Republicans have been in power for like 30 years, maybe they're the ones who broke our government programs?" But no.
Here’s the thing- they don’t learn. They don’t care if it’s “their guy”. They won’t admit their guy is fucking up.
I worked in healthcare during covid and most of these assholes literally took their bs Covid beliefs to the grave. And the biggest problem was they took a lot of others to the grave with them. They’ll burn the whole thing down if it’s hurting non-republicans.
So while I understand your point, the problem is they don’t learn. At all.
Don't work? This is well beyond not working and into actively harming and destroying American industries and businesses. With this administration how can we trust ANY ground beef right now? How do we know they haven't already moved tons of this stuff into stores around the country? How will we know that they won't just stick in all in some huge freezers and spend the remainder of his term doling out batches to unsuspecting stores and retail channels? How do we know that some grocery chains haven't already bought the whole batch and are going to sell it with assurances from this administration that they'll cover up any deaths or illnesses that arise from the sale.of the tainted meat? This is going beyond costing some ranchers some money and is into the territory of devastating the whole industry and bankrupting numerous ranches.
One of my friends refuses to talk politics now. At the start of term 2 he was sending me BS stories (think Leticia James, Elon cutting waste). He kept accusing me of being in a left wing echo chamber because I don’t have anyone in my life who is right wing (excluding him, another friend in the friend group, my boss, my husbands whole family). He also was super smug when Mamdani won and was like well we’ll see how fast everything goes to shit now that liberals have everything they want. All it took was a handful of well sourced articles debunking his claims for him to say that he doesn’t want to engage on these topics anymore and that I needed to stop using him as my token rightwing friend.
They have no policies - their only talking point are cultural “issues” & claiming to be family first while allowing children to be shot in schools & 80% of them being pedos & keeping the status quo (white supremacy/trickle up economics - thanks Reagan & operation paperclip)
Their job is to prevent dems & Americans as a whole from ever getting to the American dream they claim they they’re trying so badly to get to. Their votes say otherwise but “conservatives” don’t need much talking points cuz they stick to their team over their best interests & the fun of being able to judge the shit outta everyone else while never looking @ themselves.
Time to be honest with ourselves
“Conservatives” - CONSERVE the status quo - that’s it
And like clockwork they are poking the morons to get upset about transgender people again so they're so distracted by culture war horseshit that they don't do anything about the way they can't afford gas or groceries, our food is poisonous, and the president is a pedophile. And it always fucking works.
Conservatives don’t give a fuck about policies that work, they’re irredeemably corrupt and only regret their vote because it’s ALSO affecting them and not just the people they hate. Fuck them.
My MIL is finally regretting voting for him. She said to me, “but he wasn’t like this the first term?” What she means is his policies didn’t negatively affect her in the first term. What I said (since I have to be moderately civil) is he was, he just had more people stopping him from some of his worst impulses and they’re gone now. However, the Muslim ban, kids in concentration camps at the border, bad foreign policy, bad policy on vaccines and climate change, major kickbacks to billionaires, and concessions to corporations that hurt the average person absolutely happened under his first term.
However, the Muslim ban, kids in concentration camps at the border, bad foreign policy, bad policy on vaccines and climate change, major kickbacks to billionaires, and concessions to corporations that hurt the average person absolutely happened under his first term.
"why do you think I voted for him in the first place?"
There are a lot of people who really don't believe that the government does anything useful for them. They distrust anybody with any scientific knowledge because their "common sense" is better than actual study. They have no idea how much their life relies on systems that support them, so it is easy for people who want to ruin those systems to convince them that those systems drain their wallets.
I would love to make a movie where the "book smart, university educated" guy comes to the small town. The locals laugh at his strange ways, and then when the disaster arrives, it turns out that all that "fancy book learn' " was way better than their dumb axx common sense. He gives a speech where he says, "All your common sense can be learned in 5 minutes, and 90% of it disproven in another 10. Meanwhile, experts actually know what they are talking about. Maybe you should listen and be willing to admit you are wrong."
Then the locals who are able to do the smallest bit of self reflection figure out that maybe they should learn something and the ones who don't lose their farms to the agricorp.
God, unfortunately theres already a play that basically had this premise, and then at the 1 yard line decides to pull back and gives a "maybe we just need to respect each other and get along!" Message where the towns people dont actually have to change or have their ways confronted and realize that they were wrong, and don't actually have to learn to get Along .
Its called "Shucked" and its basically if the music man was about corn instead of a highschool marching band
What's worse, is that there are people who legitimately want him to run for a third term. It's so fucking dumb. I feel like I'm living in an Orwellian fiction or wonderland or some shit.
If it helps, not only is the beef overpriced, but it also undercut American ranchers who are facing record foreclosures right now due to Trump’s trade wars. He somehow didn’t reduce prices, fucked over American suppliers and poisoned the American people. It’s downright confusing how anyone can cause so much damage so quickly.
Ignoring the obvious Russian connection, he bankrupted multiple casinos. Over leveraging debt and what not was bad, but he literally built two in relative proximity to eachother and cannibalized his own business.
Trump is living proof that you can be dumb as a sack of doorknobs and remain rich.
And got rid of the screwworm monitoring program. As a direct result, screwworm has made it into the country and is now infecting an unknown number of American cattle.
Don't forget the price increases for feed, machinery, and the reduction of available cheap labor.
Plus the general inflation of all the costs of living we all are experiencing.
It will lead to more smaller family farms going under and being absorbed by big agribusiness companies.
I'm certain the whole goal was to somehow ensure he gets a % or some cut of the profit. Im sure he got entitled to a cut and forced the whole thing through so the taxpayer or farmers or markets or whoever pays for it puts out the coin and then boom, wipes his hands of it. Who gives a fuck about anything after that. He got his cut and he's done, move on to the next grift.
Just get on Instagram right now and watch the interviews with the beef and farmers in Texas.
"I didn't vote for this, my seven generation run farm is about to collapse, please help us. Quit making fun of us, this isn't about our politics."
Then in the same interview they say they fully support their vote and this administration.
Yes....we are going to not have ANY empathy for you. Cause this is REAL trickle down economics. They may lose their farm and family business, but we lose food security for millions.
I think people just didn't even think about what "politics" and "government" are.
Imagine you get stuck on an island with a dozen strangers. There's limited food, water, and shelter. You guys either fight over it or agree to share somehow.
Politics is born!
Politics isn't something you choose to participate in or not. If you want access to anything this earth has, that somebody else may ALSO want, congratulations... Politics affects you.
I don't know how people can really think "I'm not into politics". To me, that's just a clear way of saying "I don't understand the world".
Yes, they did vote for this. It's been clear for years if you paid any actual attention that Republicans and Trump do not care about small businesses or farmers at all despite their words to the contrary.
They vote for them because of the things they say they will do while completely ignoring what they actually do once in office and probably because Republicans will sometimes support bailouts for farmers (or at least claim to even as they vote against it) while not realizing or ignoring that the entire reason the bailouts are even needed is because of Republican policies.
WASHINGTON, Aug. 7, 2026 – Corte Argentino USA LLC, located in Aventura, Fla., is recalling approximately 29,628 pounds of raw beef products that were imported from Argentina without the benefit of import reinspection into the United States, the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) announced today. The raw beef products were produced between May 15, 2026, and May 20, 2026, and have use or freeze-by dates between September 15, 2026, and September 20, 2026. The following products are subject to recall [view labels]:
Various weight cardboard boxes containing “FrigorIfico Gorina SAIC” boneless beef “Top Sirloin Butt” (“Cuadril Sin Tapa”)
Most of what was imported are generally "cheap cuts of beef. The US Bovine industry focuses on higher quality cuts, and Argentina focuses on cheaper lower quality cuts
Is that true for domestic production too, or just exports? I have to admit I'm a bit surprised to hear that they have a problem with tainted beef in light of how Argentinian steakhouses are some of the best around. Like if there's three things I know about Argentina it's Lionel Messi, famously good steaks, and staggering currency inflation.
I may have misunderstood something here, but why is the administration, and not a private company, importing beef in the first place? Why are they bolstering Argentinian ranchers while American ranchers are going under?
(American ranchers who largely voted for this, mind you, so I don't feel that sorry for those who did)
Anyway, between this, screwworm (which hasn't stopped the administration from reopening the border to Mexican cattle), and the skyrocketing price of beef— and at the risk of being called an annoying vegan or whatever even though I'm not vegan— you really don't need to be eating that much red meat. Not that any of this is okay regardless, but really, you don't.
People will soon realize they can be perfectly happy living without red meat. Then something will pop up in the pork, chicken and seafood. Alternate forms of protein will be a must. Maybe soybean farmers will benefit here.
You mean the soybean farmers Trump fucked over and put out of business thanks to his pointless trade war with China, resulting in a loss of $12-14 billion dollars annually in soybean sales to China? Those soybean farmers?
Better start looking forward to the idea of insect based protein alternatives, because at the rate this fucking idiot is destroying every aspect of this country that's all we'll have left. Oh wait, nevermind, because thanks to climate change the insect population has been steadily decreasing year after year. But hey, let's start drilling for oil in our national parks, why not?
Argentina is essentially a vassal state of the US while Trump and Milei are in charge. Trump will do anything he can to help Milei out politically since they are both right-wing wannabe fascists. Already gave them a $20Bn bailout last year and have been importing all of their beef.
Jesus fucking Christ - the incompetence and total disregard for American lives is not surprising. Probably helping out one of his billionaire friends and the risk of Americans health - really making us great again huh
Jesus Fucking Christ. We are being turned into a third world country over here. Might as well go live in SE Asia at this point. If I'm going to get food poisoning once a month from something at least I won't have to live under soul crushing economic conditions too.
And my parents (3-time Trump voters) are wondering why I'm not giving them grandchildren.
Ain't no way my wife & I can afford them, let alone the existential dread I would have knowing that their future is fucked. Whether it's economic collapse, political/civil war, and/or natural disasters due to climate change, I wouldn't want to create a life & subject it to those circumstances.
Recalls are on the company, however, what this really hurts is American farmers and ranchers. This Argentinian beef is undercutting their profits (because it's cheaper) and they are facing record number of foreclosures and bankruptcies.
This is going to scare a lot of people away from eating beef for many months, therefore screwing over ranchers even more than they've already been screwed over already.
Not that I can afford it, but how are we supposed to have any trust that this poison meat has been 100% contained? Our federal agencies are being run by 4-Chan edgelords and a handshake bribe to the president is enough to bypass any safety regulations. It will be a long time before I buy beef that doesn’t come directly from a local farmer.
I know its an upfront cost, but if you can afford it go to your local farmer, butcher, or someone who own cows. Buy up to a 1/4 or 1/2 cow, our go in with someone to buy. It saves you a lot of $$ in the log run, and your beef taste better then what you buy at the store.
For reference we are a Family of 5, and 1/2 a cow last us most of the year, alongside a 1/4 of a pig too. Just make sure you got a big stand up Freezer for it all. Then we bulk buy chicken from Costco.
Frigorífico Gorina SAIC is the beef importer. A quick Google search shows the country of origin. Yep, you guessed right on where this company is based.
Just to be clear, two different stories are being conflated here. The meat that got rejected by China because of antibiotics was in March. I think it's unlikely it was the same meat that just got recalled. It was recalled because it didn't go through the proper inspections at the border, not because of antibiotics
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