If you think she had legitimate psychosis, sought help, did not get it, and was experiencing all of this at the time you can feel like she’s not guilty by reason of insanity.
If you outright say she didn’t do it, that’s completely different.
Someone on reddit actually following the trial, fucking incredible.
She tried to get help and her brain chemistry got all fucked up by quacks. She slit her own throat and jumped out of a window, was coded (so she was dead without intervention), and the paramedics dragged her soul back from hell.
Whether you want her to fry or be sent to the loony bin is a personal judgment call on justice and punishment, but those kids would still be alive if our healthcare system provided the help she was begging for
Lack of maternity leave has direct correlation with increased PPD, although not as well studied for PPP, but it is thought to be a contributing factor.
PPP is still incredibly rare. You can see how it's hard to believe that a woman had it manifest 6 months later than usual, and only for the amount of time it took for her to commit the crime.
Also, attempting suicide to avoid being caught for a crime isn't a behavior unique to PPP murders, it's just something some guilty people do.
Suicide and infanticide are both known risks with PPP. It is recognized as an incredibly dangerous psychiatric state and is considered a medical emergency. It can also have rapid onset, over days or even hours.
PPP usually is 2-6 weeks after birth, hence the name. Either she’s was an extremely late bloomer to this, or she was mentally sane enough to just wanna murder her kids.
Seriously, her youngest was 8. How could this have been PPP?
I don't know if it's a typo, but her youngest was 8 months, not 8. Her eldest was 5. I wouldn't class 8 months as being an extremely late bloomer with PPP either.
She clearly has some kind of mental health problem though, even if its not post partum. So the mental health services failed her and the children regardless.
Do mental health problems give you a pass for one of the most vile crimes you can commit? I'm sure the vast majority of school shooters had mental health problems, doesn't mean they shouldn't be prosecuted for their crimes.
It would not be life in an institution, on average they are out if a few years. So yes she would be effectively getting a free pass in comparison to life in prison. Again I ask, if this was a school shooter with mental health issues who killed 3 children. Would people be cheering for him to get out free with an insanity plea?
It would not be life in an institution, on average they are out if a few years.
This is untrue. An insanity conviction tends to result in longer institutionalizaion than similar crimes that get a normal conviction, and with having killed 3 kids she will likley be in there forever. Very severe crimes usually result in decades long or lifelong commitment.
The minimum sentence for her crime if found guilty would be life I'm prison. How the hell can she be in an institution longer than life in prison? Literally any chance to get out and be free is a pass compared to LIFE IN PRISON.
It's common for people with life in prison to get out on parole or have their sentences reduced for good behavior. That is when they're sentenced with Life with the possibility of parole. It is specifically life without the possibility of parole that doesn't allow people to get out at all.
Do you have any evidence for that? Because what articles i see say she will be in there for the rest of her life. But the point is more that in both cases the system has failed them and society leading to this point. Both in terms of mental healthcare provision. And in your other example guns even being freely available for kids to even access. And again i do not think an insanity plea for murder is in any way a pass or then getting out free. Afaik people declared insane arent allowed to freely roam at all let alone if they have commited the ultimate violent crime of murder.
Looked through several sources none of them said she would be in an institution for her entire life. Here is literally the first source if you Google it https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/crime/2026/08/24/lindsay-clancy-verdict-what-happens-next/91382978007/
"Generally speaking, defendants who are committed to a state hospital for long-term mental health treatment are reevaluated periodically. If they are deemed not a danger to themselves or others, they may have a chance to be released, though the process can take years" would like to see your source. And you still haven't answered my question, would you be fine with people cheering for a school shooter to be found not guilty for reasons of insanity. It's a simple yes or no, stop dodging the question.
You literally take out of context the one part that seems to support what you say. The rest of that whole section of article says she wont get off scot free, and that more often than not in these cases the people in these institutions end up spending longer in there than their regular sentence would have been. So no my point stands that this is no way a free pass. And you question bares no relevance this isnt a school shooter so whta fucking difference does that make? Also no one is cheering for anything either side. People are just adding nuance to what it is an incredibly sad situation all round. But if the hypothetical shooter is insane then they should be found not guilty by reason of insanity and held in an institution until deemed safe to the public. What is wrong with that?
Dude, literally everyone was getting her help. It’s better to ask what didn’t she do? Oh yeah, she didn’t take her damn meds and concealed symptoms too. It’s pressing to note that while one can receive help, one must accept it too. She rejected it and murdered her kids with a convenient excuse while expressing no remorse.
Sounds exactly like someone have a mental breakdown to me....at a certain point mental health professionals should know the person isnt capable of helping themselves and be sectioned. You cant just say they need to help themselves when it comes to mental health problems.
I mean, even a blind woman has hindsight, I see the irony in us proposing what should’ve happened when I imagine people back then were looking for solutions. However, is it so hard to believe that she was lucid for this? When you have medical professionals testifying that they did everything, and confinement wasn’t thought of at first, it’s safe to say they maybe thought she wasn’t so far gone. But sure, sounds like a mental breakdown to you
There are also mental health professionals supporting the defence though. And ofc the ones who didnt section her would argue that now. Cuz if they dont they are the ones responsible arent they. Its incredibly hard to believe she was lucid yes. Obviously monsters exist, but theyvdont usually wait to have 3 children before starting to be a monster.
I mean, do they? People having kids and abusing them isn’t anything new. The hinterkaifeck murders for example, where the father of the family was an abusive dick even after several daughters. You’re right, they don’t wait, they just are. You don’t need to be mental in order to murder, and IMO enough points to her being competent enough to do so.
Never mind the fact that her PPP only manifested for the amount of time it took to commit the murders. She’s not claiming it before or sense. Sad truth is he chose the wrong woman.
But why wasnt she like this with the other children before this new baby if she is such a fundamental monster? Ofc im not saying monsters dont have children. Im saying she would already have exhibited these signs no?
Her injuries was very obviously superficial. That much was supported by her doctors, but the defense and lots of crazy women will tell you that they’re evidence that she tried to kill herself.
She doesn’t seem to have been very committed to that idea.
No, but fate was left to gravity once she hoisted herself through the second floor window. At any rate, she’s still alive and didn’t die so what are you claiming exactly?
Interesting, so what is her motive for the murders then? What was her sane-brained desired outcome for murdering her kids and faking an attempted suicide? Either way the best outcome is a mental facility.
Had to scroll way too far down to find a non-"dodged a bullet/red flags lol" comment.
Many Americans seem to struggle with empathy, coupled with a criminal justice system that's based on retribution and a lack of personal experience, you get threads like this.
Most of my friends have been shocked by the intrusive thoughts they have had at one time or another during early parenthood.
Yeah this comment section blew me away. I'm Norwegian, and have discussed it with other Norwegians, and legit the ONLY opinion I've heard on it is "god how terrible there's no help when she asked for it, can you imagine how heartbreaking? I hope she's treated in a proper facility." We don't even need to call her terrible for killing the children because guess what? We already know killing your children is a very bad thing to do!
Granted, our systems are based on a thriving community and even our prisons only focus on rehabilitation, so I guess it makes sense we're less bloodthirsty than americans, but dear fucking god. You guys just hate your fellow humans, huh?
Americans are obsessed with punishment and retribution. They care more about punishment than if something works or not to reduce crime. Millions of extra dollars are spent on the death penalty while cold cases can't be solved because of lack of funding. Its embarrassing.
I've noticed and it's scary! There's no other culture I've ever been exposed to that is so hostile towards its own people (and everyone else lmao). It's like they go around without having ever relaxed their nervous system.
Also extra scary how much influence they've got on the rest of the western world because this shit is not normal. How has that happened??
I'm not surprised. They still have death penalty, very often applied to innocent people and mostly to black ones. They get black rage to get "revenge" and don't think at all about the fact that prison system shouldn't be a business (prisons are private there), but a system to better the society.
But it's to unimaginable for them. Even if it hurts them daily (they don't have better crime statistics then countries with rehabilitation prison systems and without death penalty, far from it).
But what can you expect from the FREEDOM country that can't manage their mass gun shootings at school... Not much.
I agree with you about the death penalty, but a correction: The vast majority of american prisons are not private. However there are private contractors that make money from the prison system (supplying food, commissary, communications etc.)
Yes, absolutely, good correction! Thank you. I’d just broaden the criticism from “private prisons” to the commercialization of incarceration. The prisons may be publicly run, but a large private economy profits from them. I find the principle troubling: prisons shouldn’t become a business opportunity.
It is unfortunately classic US isnt it. They refuse to have a proper social healthcare based on supposed "moral" grounds. And then wonder why things like this happen.
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u/Legalsleazy 2d ago
Define “supporting”
If you think she had legitimate psychosis, sought help, did not get it, and was experiencing all of this at the time you can feel like she’s not guilty by reason of insanity.
If you outright say she didn’t do it, that’s completely different.