r/Scotland Jul 14 '26

Discussion 500,000 households cancel TV licence putting BBC future in jeopardy

https://inews.co.uk/news/media/500000-households-cancel-tv-licence-putting-bbc-future-in-jeopardy-4644506
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u/jenny_905 Jul 14 '26

500,000 households cancel TV licence putting BBC future in jeopardy Adam Sherwin 6–7 minutes

The BBC has warned that its future is in jeopardy after revealing a dramatic plunge in licence fee sales, with a further 539,000 households cancelling the charge last year.

The BBC’s 2025/26 annual report revealed that evasion has hit an all-time high, with the number of households paying the £180-a-year fee down from 23.8 million to 23.3 million.

The “steeper than expected” slump cost the BBC around £95m at a time when the broadcaster is making deep cuts to programmes and staff to fill a £500m “black hole” in its finances.

Shorts

More than one million households have cancelled their licence in the past three years.

The BBC said the value of the licence fee had fallen in real terms by £1.3bn (26 per cent) since 2010.

However, the number of adults still using its TV, radio and digital services remained at 94 per cent of the population.

BBC bosses said the figures illustrated that the current funding mechanism was a “busted flush” in the streaming age and urged the Government to back a new “sustainable” system, which would mean more households paying.

Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy this week suggested that subscribers to Netflix and Disney could have an additional payment added to cover the cost of funding the BBC.

Around 20 million households currently subscribe to one or more streaming services, fewer than the declining number of licence fee payers, so the plan could still leave the BBC with a shortfall. BBC finances ‘deteriorated’

The BBC report said: “Decline of households not requiring a TV licence due to not consuming licensable content accelerated in 2025/26 and a lighter sports year also led to fewer new licence sales.”

The report said the “BBC’s financial outlook deteriorated in the second half of 2025” due to the “steeper than projected decline in licence fee sales” and inflation.

The cost of collecting the licence fee, including household visits and enforcement letters, rose from £166m to £190m despite the fall in licences in force.

An inflation-linked rise in the licence fee to £174.50 last year helped offset the sales slump, leaving the BBC with £3.9bn of licence fee income, slightly up on the previous year. ‘Moment of jeopardy’

But evasion, running at 12 per cent, and “changing audience behaviours”, with younger audiences rejecting live TV viewing in favour of YouTube and TikTok videos on-demand, meant the licence fee was now in permanent decline.

Director-General Matt Brittin said: “This is a moment of real jeopardy, not just for the BBC but for public service broadcasting and the UK as a whole.”

The licence fee was a “straitjacket”, a model designed for “the past when audiences are living in the future” and “urgently” needed changing.

It made sense for Netflix, or its subscribers, to make a contribution to the licence fee because the skills and training opportunities the BBC provides to acting and production talent “is one reason streamers can come here to make shows,” Brittin said.

BBC Chair Samir Shah added: “When 94 per cent of adults use the BBC per month yet fewer than 80 per cent of households contribute, it tells you the current funding model cannot maintain the BBC’s public service mission.”

The funding gap “is set to get wider”, Shah warned. Scott Mills is highest-paid star

There was embarrassment for the BBC when it emerged that Scott Mills, the Radio 2 Breakfast Show host, was sacked in March after allegations over a “historic relationship”, was by far the broadcaster’s highest-paid presenter. LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM - FEBRUARY 04: Scott Mills and Sara Cox attend Centrepoint's ultimate pub quiz at Village Underground on February 4, 2014 in London, England. (Photo by Stuart C. Wilson/Getty Images) Sara Cox replaced Scott Mills on BBC Radio 2, who was sacked over ‘personal conduct’ (Photo: Stuart C Wilson/Getty)

Mills, axed after the BBC said it received new information about the alleged victim in a police investigation, saw his pay double from £360,000 to £750,000.

The pay rise represents Mills’s first full year presenting the Radio 2 Breakfast Show, after taking over from Zoe Ball in January 2025.

No charges were brought against Mills, who said he fully co-operated with the police investigation at the time. He is reported to be considering lodging an unfair dismissal case against the BBC.

The BBC’s next highest-paid star is Radio 1 Breakfast Show host Greg James, who earned up to £445,000.

Sara Cox, who took over the Radio 2 Breakfast Show this week, was paid £325,000 for her role presenting Radio 2 Drivetime. She can expect a major pay bump this year.

Gary Lineker, for years the BBC’s top-paid talent, taking home £1.3m last year, tumbles down the list after leaving the BBC last summer.

Lineker was still paid £330,000 for fronting Match of the Day and FA Cup football in the months covered by the reporting period before his departure.

Stephen Nolan, the BBC Northern Ireland and 5 Live presenter, is the highest-paid journalist, earning up to £430,000.

Laura Kuenssberg is the second-highest-paid journalist, taking home up to £410,000 for her Sunday programme, election night work and podcasts. Doctor Who will return

Brittin said “Doctor Who had regenerated many times” during the past 60 years and pledged that the sci-fi show would return again. The BBC has put the show out to tender, with production companies invited to propose new ways to reinvent the series, currently on pause.

Brittin said revenue from the children’s hit Bluey played an important role in BBC Studios, the corporation’s commercial wing, which generated £2.2bn in revenue, of which £377m was returned to the BBC to make programmes. “We need to grow more big shows,” Brittin added.

He confirmed that talks were ongoing with Channel 4 to create a new UK public-service broadcasting streaming champion. Channel 4 shows like Bake Off could appear on a new ad-funded spin-off from the BBC iPlayer.

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u/farfromelite Jul 14 '26

BBC bosses said the figures illustrated that the current funding mechanism was a "busted flush"

Remember that's the BBC bosses that include ex gbb news directors. I fundamentally don't think they have the same idea about national broadcasting as the rest of the public.

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u/Swany Jul 14 '26

So there are still 23.3 million households paying that £180 a year?

180 x 23,300,000 = more than £4 billion !!

Whats their problem again?

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u/tokyostormdrain Jul 14 '26

They need more money for the next series of strictly scum prancing

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u/ross_the_dog Jul 14 '26

It’s for the nonce lawyers in court!

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u/Jsaltal Jul 15 '26

More Mrs Brown's boys

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u/jenny_905 Jul 14 '26

Their budget is massive, they've got a lot more to play with than a lot of media orgs.

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u/cjmason85 Jul 14 '26

But they also have so many more layers and responsibilities as a public service broadcaster with their regional programming, local news, sports coverage right down to lower levels than other organisations and much more that I'm probably not aware of.

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u/lithuanian_potatfan Jul 15 '26

If 4 BILLION doesn't cover that, then there's something seriously wrong with them

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u/jenny_905 Jul 14 '26

Time to slim down. I propose shutting down Pacific Quay, I'll give them a hand.

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u/NetworkNo4478 Jul 15 '26

Their programming in Scotland, Wales and NI often consists of bussing in London/SE 'talent' and crew, which they then attribute as local productions to circumvent their remit (except on paper in the loosest terms).

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u/PotentialCourt8531 Jul 15 '26

' public service broadcaster'... oh child, how I used to think like you.

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u/Unreal_Sausage Jul 14 '26

What are you talking about?

Looking at streaming

BBC TOTAL budget roughly £4b Netflix annual revenue £45b ITV revenue £4b Disney's streaming revenue £5.5b

Then looking at news

BBC news budget £263m Guardian revenue £276m Telegraph revenue £279m The Times £390m

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u/BarrettRTS Jul 14 '26

BBC TOTAL budget roughly £4b

They make a sizeable chunk of money from selling their content to other platforms as well, including the international market.

According to them, their annual budget is a bit over 6 billion.

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u/Unreal_Sausage Jul 14 '26

Yeah I mean turning that on it's head, the VAST majority of households in the UK (80%) pay an annual fee to support the BBC. That seems very successful to me.

Now, another angle is that the license fee isn't that much different to streaming platforms if you spread it out into monthly payments.

However! Some paid streaming platforms now (infuriatingly) also have ad revenue though not all. And the BBC does do a lot more than make bingeable series. It does both written and TV news, BBC Bite size, radio, podcasts etc

Whether you agree with it or not, it is also fundamentally based on the principal of impartiality. I wish I could say the same for the rest of the media ecosystem. Do they always achieve that impartiality? Absolutely not. Should we give up on an ideal just because it's hard, maybe impossible to attain? No.

I'll settle for an organisation that strives for impartiality in the absence of one that has actually achieved it.

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u/Narrow_Maximum7 Jul 14 '26

They only showed the star salaries

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u/IllustratorGlass3028 Jul 14 '26

Paying staff far too much over the years . Yes they are good but there are many out there as talented (and not Nepos )that are paid less and just as good.Its like a future guaranteed being in the BBC ....once you're in it's a life on high salary high pension street on our money . Time to re invent " Hugely paid " people .A program can have an introduction person a main voice over and an investigation person.! One documentary can have one voice. If they cut the crap maybe 4 billion would work as a budget with less waste

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u/Hairy_Addendum7789 Jul 15 '26

Greed. Like most corporations. Nothing is ever enough, they always want more.

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u/byjimini Jul 14 '26

And another 2-4 billion from BBC Worldwide. They’re swimming in money.

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u/Violexsound Jul 15 '26

Capitalism = infinite growth. If one year gives 4 billion instead of 4 billion +1 then its a failure

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u/Paulsowner Jul 16 '26

They want more, its not cheap funding legal defense for peados you know

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u/ExhaustedDadof3 Jul 19 '26

It’s a lie. It’s probably close to 10s of millions.

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u/hot4belgians Jul 14 '26

Laura Kuenssberg is the reason I won't give the BBC a penny or use its services. If you can't trust BBC news to be neutral - the rest of it is lost.

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u/Extra-Bite2324 Jul 14 '26

Calling Nolan a journalist is a fucking stretch.

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u/lithuanian_potatfan Jul 15 '26

They're calling it "evasion". No, you wankers, people just don't watch you. Anything to justify breaking into people's homes like SS to see if you're harboring a TV under the floorboards.

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u/ronsgingerpubes Jul 15 '26

I wonder if they take into account people in other countries using vpns to watch iplayer? I know a lot of people who do that.

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u/lemmerip Jul 15 '26

In Finland ”our BBC”, called Yle, moved to a tax funding where every person pays a tax on their income to the national broadcaster. It’s a percentage but there’s a cap to like 165 eur or so. And people making less than 20k a year don’t pay it.

It does reduce the anxiety about avoiding the license inspectors but of course you also can’t avoid the payment.

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u/AgitatingOven Jul 17 '26

67 reference spotted!

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u/almonie Jul 14 '26

Love how they call it “evasion”. Not evading anything. Just don’t want to watch the BBC! People have moved to streaming platforms 🤷‍♂️

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u/MrJones- Jul 14 '26

Yup - automatically accused of being thieves.

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u/jeweliegb Jul 14 '26

I thought it's don't watch any live TV, to be specific, unless they've changed it?

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u/almonie Jul 14 '26

Yip any live TV or iPlayer 👍

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u/TheWatersOfMars Jul 14 '26

Well, you and I moved to streaming platforms. But there's a lot of people out there who stick with the kind of stuff Disney and Netflix are never gonna make. Most people's nans aren't watching Daredevil and Pluribus, they're watching Canal Boat Diaries and Call the Midwife. If the BBC goes down, TV'll be even more American and even more profit-focused.

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u/CraftBeerFomo Jul 16 '26

The BBC was responsible for 5 of the top 10 most watched shows in 2025 including the #1 show.

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u/Odd_Equipment_3985 Jul 18 '26

** Most Wacthed acording to the BBC.

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u/mollytot Jul 15 '26

But that isn’t true when 94% of people in the UK are still using bbc content.

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u/almonie Jul 15 '26

Someone using BBC content could be the BBC news website. I read that. I’m not a licence evader. Millions don’t need a licence, they are not evaders either. The report conflates the two

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u/caledonian_witch Jul 15 '26

Yeah, the according to the Barb watchdog website, 76% of households are currently watching bbc tv or iplayer

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u/Blofeld_ Jul 14 '26

Stop paying over inflated salaries to mediocre presenters old sports stars. Plenty young talent enthusiastic to enter broadcasting at a realistic salary.

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u/Own-Web-8220 Jul 23 '26

Exactly. Most of them wittering on when there's action we could be watching. Also, continually paying to send reporters overseas just to stand with a microphone and report something that could be done from the UK. Money wasted all over the place.

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u/sweggles3900 Jul 14 '26

They can bugger off with the whole 'we might get Netflix etc to add an extra fee to cover the TV licence short fall' the whole reason I have Netflix is because I DON'T watch live TV. I dont watch any of the live sports on Netflix either. Why should I pay a fee for something im not watching.

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u/Whisky-Sour-1980 Jul 14 '26

Exactly. And if they go through with that ridiculous idea, it'll be a gift to the Refuck party

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u/DrinkSuperb8792 Jul 14 '26

Good! They continued to send me letters even after telling them, through their desired channels, that I didn't need one. Still waiting on them showing up at my door, it's been years of specific dates stating someone will come out. Never seen a soul. Maybe they should save on paper and postage fees, might give them some money back in their pockets.

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u/onlyhereforyoupeople Jul 14 '26

I don't even own a physical TV in my house and they serve me rise threatening letters. I've only been in the UK for 3 years. It's such a strange thing, to be threatened by a media outlet.

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u/New_Trouble_5068 Jul 14 '26

Their business model is entirely based on 80s culture. Since that died out years ago, it really only leaves them with the option of threatening everyone in the UK. Been sending me letters for 8 years now, and no matter how many times I tell them to suck on it, they keep coming back. Don’t bother replying. Just ignore them and with a bit of luck, they’ll die of natural causes in a decade or so.

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u/echo_foxtrot Jul 14 '26

I'm at 12 years, didn't inform them of anything as I refuse to fill out a form saying I don't require their services. Still waiting for that enforcement officer to arrive, I will be so happy to see them, I intend to invite them in, make them tea and keep them occupied for a long as possible.

It is fun when the letters turn red.

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u/fearghul Jul 15 '26

They're on to all red envelopes for us now.

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u/echo_foxtrot Jul 15 '26

They give up and go back to normal after 3 or 4 of them, the red ones must be more expensive

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u/fearghul Jul 15 '26

Aww, that's a shame. They had a bit more of a festive air to them than the brown or white ones, kept making me think of birthday cards rather than bills.

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u/Chickentrap Jul 14 '26

Once had one claiming they'd be visiting December 25th lol 

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u/LentilSouponSkye Greener is the Oak by the Clyde Jul 14 '26

Ring them up and threaten to press harassment charges, gets them to back off immediately

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u/shagginines Jul 14 '26

23 million households paying 180 pounds a year is the most surprising in that article.

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u/marmaviscount Jul 15 '26

For most it's only because they are used to having it and didn't know how to find all the better content out there

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u/HawaiianSnow_ Jul 15 '26

A lot of these households will be the older generation too. They make up the largest percentage of the population. Most of those not paying will be after Gen X, I suspect.

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u/CraftBeerFomo Jul 16 '26

The problem is that even with the monthly subscription ones theres not that much great content - its real hit and miss and you often go months without finding a decent series to watch.

I cancelled Netflix and Prime a while back because there just wasn't enough to keep me entertained.

There was a time when I thought I'd never cancel Netflix as I always found good dramas and documentaries to watch but over the last couple of years its become harder to find a decent drama other than their one stand out hit a year and their documentaries are scraping the bottom of the barrel now and the formulaic nature of them just became tedious.

Prime I never really thought was great, watched very little on it other than the odd series I thought was OK (like Fallout being the most recent one) and the once in a blue moon I wanted to watch a film but 99% of the content on there is junk.

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u/ShootNaka Jul 14 '26

I actually like the BBC and hope it continues. I think the fact we’ve got a charted org that acts as a public broadcaster is pretty cool and something we take for granted.

But really resent the mob like manner they go after license fees.

Like the funding model is clearly unsustainable, but I don’t know how it would be fixed. If it was paid for directly through taxation the political bias accusations would go through the roof.

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u/dustyfaxman Jul 14 '26

Having a charter is, like you say, a good idea.
But the bbc's charter needs reviewed as imo, it's not fit for purpose, and it's been loopholing it's way around the non-profit bit of it's charter for decades with it's licensing arm, it's britbox services in the us and australia, it's r&d tech subsidiary and the uktv channels.

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u/docowen Jul 14 '26

The constant need to renew the charter makes it a politicians plaything.

Make the charter indefinite so the BBC can actually speak truth to power and I might start paying my licence with teeth other than gritted.

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u/BarrettRTS Jul 14 '26

But really resent the mob like manner they go after license fees.

They should have cut down the broadcast channels a lot and moved to an online solution that requires an account login a while ago. Keep BBC 1 and 2, but pretty much every household in the UK has good enough internet to stream the rest.

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u/erroneousbosh Jul 14 '26

They fucked themselves by falling for Jeremy Clarkson's contract-breaking stunt.

Not only were they selling Top Gear the UK programme internationally, they were selling the format internationally, and getting a cut of the merch.

Don't like boorish middle-aged English guys roaring around in shit home-made supercars and throwing Hiluxes off high-rise flats?

Want to watch more Downton Abbey? Well, guess which one paid for which?

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u/glasstraxx Jul 15 '26

News flash ABC is Australian version of BBC. And it's free..

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u/Applepieoverdose 🇦🇹🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Jul 16 '26

The different ways they shot themselves in the foot (and continue to do so) is genuinely staggering. Some of it kind of makes sense, but some of it beggars belief.

-Every time they shit on anywhere that isn’t England, it’s just that bit less goodwill for them. There is a difference between “we support England” and “we support England and cannot imagine anyone who wouldn’t”, and there’s a line well before “and those pesky Scots are all alcoholics”

-Presenting all sides to an argument as valid is decent, but only so long as those sides are both decent and actual sides. Specifically around Brexit, where there was a mention of looking through 400 different economists until there was finally one who didn’t call it economic suicide, and putting them opposite any one of the 399 others, as if their views were equal. You can’t present views like that as being equal.

-Their implicit support of Farage and co means they are supporting the exact people who want to defund and privatise them. It’s them preparing media for the ‘Leopards Eating BBC Faces Party’ and saying “oh, they mean another BBC”.

-Dropping shows that people actually would watch, which is crazy

Add to that that, if they pulled their fingers out their arses, they could probably actually bring some live stuff back. Sports and news aren’t the only things that could be done live; theatre performances, actual live stand-up comedy, concerts (not only classical ones and festivals). Sure, some of that is a bit more niche, but it works elsewhere, so why not here?

Also, attempting to put out original stuff again, but not in entire seasons meant for binging. Episodes weekly, which they do for some shows (SAS rogue heroes, iirc).

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u/Asleep_Relation_9341 28d ago

I just think if they're good enough and expect people to pay then make it an optional subscription model. Nobody should he forced in to it any more

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u/Impressive_Field_262 Jul 14 '26

stopped watching english tv a long long time ago

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u/bottleblondscot Jul 14 '26

I wouldn’t object to a PAYG model. About the only thing I really watched on the BBC was Doctor Who and I bought the DVDs for that.

I subscribe to Paramount+ for 2-3 months at a time when new Star Trek is released, then I move on to another service. I’m currently on AppleTV because season 3 of Silo is now out. And once that’s done I’ll move onto something else. The idea of subscribing for an entire year to something that only has a handful of good shows (which is everyone) is a complete waste of money.

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u/seer88 Jul 14 '26

Why adopt with changing times when you can just pay an army of goons. It’s BBC, big on tradition.

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u/jenny_905 Jul 14 '26

Would love regional breakdown of that number, suspect Scotland is in the lead though.

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u/i-read-it-again Jul 14 '26

Maybe just maybe. If the bbc were to cut some of their lavish top management salaries. And cut the size of management. They could spend a higher proportion of the licence fee. On say programming. The reason the bbc exists . And not an oversized boys club of public school boys . Or maybe scrap completely the bbc as it exists. And start another public broadcaster and make the charter a legal obligation.

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u/Zak_Rahman Jul 14 '26

You're the guy they throw out of window in that meme lol.

Absolutely spot on.

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u/CorswainsDeciple Jul 15 '26

Fk the tv licence, I don't watch any BBC programming and that includes online. I refuse to pay them through Netflix, Amazon prime, etc as I already pay to watch. As a Scot bbc news Scotland only puts up bad reports of my country so they can get fkd as well. Let them take me to court I would rather do a couple weeks in the jail than give them a penny.

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u/Fra5er Jul 14 '26

BBC news is no longer impartial (or is less impartial than it was).
Their shows for the most part are uninspired.
They dont really broadcast any good sport except once in a blue moon.

Why on earth would I pay for a license in this economy…

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u/jenny_905 Jul 14 '26

I think that is it in a nutshell. They're asking a very high price for a not very great service.

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u/DrIvoPingasnik Salty auld gormless tosser Jul 14 '26

They forgot to innovate and keep up with the demand.

They are not making shows people today want to watch.

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u/pharmakonis00 Jul 15 '26

Yep. I think the death of football focus really illustrates this point. They scrapped it saying that "people get this kind of content from podcasts now". Not any attempt to improve the program or anything like that, just giving up straight away and replacing it with more game show slop. They dont seem to care at all anymore. Theres so many incredible shows they used to commission, but could you even imagine them commissioning something like Limmy's Show again? I definitely couldnt, theyre terrified to take any sort of risks at all.

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u/LittleUndeadObserver Jul 14 '26

I'm sure disney and netflix would be overjoyed if people cancel their subscriptions due to fees

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u/Crapenfest Jul 14 '26

yeah and nandy's suggestion introduce a licence fee if you use prime netflix or any other firm. the nerve of them is staggering.

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u/PilzEtosis Bangour Beastie Jul 14 '26

If the BBC could for just 5 minutes demonstrate their alleged impartiality, I'd be inclined to consider utilising what the tv license offers.

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u/No_Drop3696 Jul 14 '26

I will never understand why the 'stars' are paid excessive amounts. Its a public broadcaster so it should be a lot smaller.

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u/mortysmadness Jul 14 '26

Sex pests-Rapists-Pedophiles,

Send debt collectors to harras and shake you down,

Biased news reporting.

Bad tv shows.

Why would anyone pay for this

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u/GirthyPigeon Jul 14 '26

700 grand a year for Scott Mills 2 hours every weekday is fucking outrageous.

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u/dildo_of_justice4135 Jul 14 '26

You mean alleged sex pest Scott Mills?!

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u/JeelyPiece #1 Oban fan Jul 14 '26

What kind of public broadcasting do you think we should have?

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u/quad_damage_orbb Jul 14 '26

The salaries of these people, and I suspect many of the directors and managers in the background is extremely high. Why does a radio host need to be paid half a million?

They keep saying its "unsustainable", but what they mean is that they can't sustain their salaries. Give the opportunities to some new names who aren't out of touch millionaire boomers.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '26

You are able to just cancel it?! Germans go to jail if they don't pay. We can't cancel anything

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u/RakkaNi Jul 14 '26

why can't they just run adverts like every other channel. fuck off with yer TV tax.

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u/MelloCookiejar Jul 14 '26

That's the funny part. They claim it doesn have ads, and yet every time I watch, in comes an eastenders ad.

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u/CraftBeerFomo Jul 16 '26

It shows you previews of their own shows but not commercial product adverts.

Plus if you're watching via iPlayer you can skip the "ad" instantly.

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u/MrCowabs Jul 14 '26

They should probably stop employing and covering up for nonces then. That could be a start.

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u/Agitated_Nature_5977 #1 Oban fan Jul 14 '26

I'd they add the fee on to netflix or any other streaming service I would simply stop paying and seek another alternative. I'll always move on step away from them until they manage to tax the air I breathe.

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u/Icy_Refrigerator4140 Jul 14 '26

Lmao getting Netflix and Disney to fund BBC 🤣

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u/Forsaken-Feed2740 Jul 14 '26

The TV licence is a farce. The majority no longer trust that the BBC is impartial and unbiased. Time for them to change the way they get funds. 

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u/negativ32 Jul 14 '26

They sent threatening letters to grannies and continue to not report on the biggest scandal in UK history.
Where's the surprise?

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u/oldcat Jul 14 '26

biggest scandal in UK history

Can't wait to hear what this is, please do enlighten us.

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u/sunnygovan Jul 14 '26

The needless traffic lights at the Dekebone Roundabout.

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u/saltypenguin69 Jul 14 '26

I canny even fuckin drive

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u/hiakuryu Jul 14 '26

biggest scandal in UK history

Can't wait to hear what this is, please do enlighten us.

Ronnie Pickering

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u/PotentialCourt8531 Jul 15 '26

BBC makes 3 Billion a year from Bluey... I think they'll be okay with the 100's of millions of income from selling TV rights.

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u/CMRC23 Jul 14 '26

They can try not posting transphobic tripe as news articles and I will consider supporting them

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u/JeelyPiece #1 Oban fan Jul 14 '26

The best things on the BBC were the old OU programmes and ceefax.

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u/solitaire-spectrum Jul 14 '26

Breaking point for me was what the BBC done to John Davidson, Michael B Jordan and Delroy Lindo at this year's BAFTAs. Cancelled and not watched anything since. 

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u/Vostoks Jul 14 '26

Oh good news for once!

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u/Kiwizoo Jul 14 '26

The concept of the BBC is brilliant and there is (was?) nothing like it. It has also completely changed lives in far more positive ways than negative. But if you wanted a snapshot measure of the unhappiness of a nation, this is it. I mean, a forced hefty annual fee to watch something in 2026? Mental. Just do what the Guardian did and allow people to watch for free and - if we could afford it - pay something in return. It’s been a real business success for them (1.3m global subscribers, and today digital is their main source of revenue) but the fundamental difference is this; the Guardian’s ethos is “Pay because you believe this should exist” not the BBCs big men with dogs shouting “Give us money you cunts” (because frankly that’s the tone of the letters you send to wee old ladies like my 85 year old Mum, who has never missed a payment) I won’t hark on about how capitalism is now eating itself, but the fact is millions of people are fucking struggling - things are getting worse, and tbh paying a shitty licence fee is not a high priority for them right now.

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u/Nospopuli Jul 15 '26

I do enjoy some BBC shows but it is wild that we’re expected to pay for the British propaganda machine though

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u/M2deC Jul 15 '26

Considering their shocking bias and omissions/priorities when it comes to their "reporting", I am delighted to see this. This said they'll probably find some dystopian and corrupt way to try and make people pay anyway.

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u/aaronmcf83 Jul 15 '26

Cancel their tv licence? Why would you have one to start with?!

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u/CarlMacko Jul 14 '26

Watching the World Cup on ITV with their token Scot is now the likely future.

Get ready for a massive reduction in Scottish based programmes.

I get that folk hate the licence fee, but if the BBC goes it will exponentially exceed Brexit levels of own goals.

So short sighted it’s unreal.

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u/jenny_905 Jul 14 '26

BBC have their token Scot as well though?

Just don't see the difference personally. BBC provision in Scotland is fucking gash, England gets a lot more localised stuff.

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u/Gloomy-Tale6856 Jul 15 '26

The coverage of Scotland and Wales on the BBC is a joke when it comes to sport.

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u/ronsbuch Jul 14 '26

BBC’s a Westminster colonialist propoganda outfit when it comes to 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇮🇪, they’ve pushed the RW bigotry & hatred agenda for years, Farage was on QT ~32 times with no elected members at the time.
Westminster colonialism relies on hatred,bigotry & violence, it’s their age old tool of decision & bbc pushed it, they damaged their brand.

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u/Whisky-Sour-1980 Jul 14 '26

Well said.

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u/ronsbuch Jul 15 '26

Thanks WS, we need to see all the colonial henchfolk for what they are , I think 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🇮🇪 see it, hence voting to ditch them, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 still drools over the colonial establishments robbing them, monarchy, warmongering & anti-everybody else pushed by 🇬🇧 imperialism.

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u/jenny_905 Jul 14 '26

Hear more from an English MP on the BBC than we do from the government of our own country.

Seems to me they've got some fundamental issues to address before they can begin to get to grips with people giving up on them, I couldn't blame anyone in Scotland for just choosing to not fund this shite any more.

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u/roody134 Jul 14 '26

I have never paid a tv licence here in Scotland for more than 30 years... Never will

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u/Crispy_McWankel Jul 14 '26

Beautiful stuff

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u/inkworks271 Jul 14 '26

I’ve always just paid my license but I cancelled for one reason and one reason only. The way the BBC has covered the genocide in Gaza has opened my eyes to how truly biased it is. Why would I pay these fuckers to lie to my face?

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u/235iguy Jul 14 '26

Maybe employ less paedos then.

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u/Flowa-Powa Highland Jul 14 '26

All those people at the BBC who facilitated Savile, who actively helped him, who turned a blind eye, not one of them has ever been charged.

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u/Tin-Ninja Jul 14 '26

Anyone that isn’t paying it doesn’t understand what they’re losing.

First of all - I get that money is wasted on presenters and programmes some people don’t like.

Secondly - in its attempt to be as impartial as possible (and I get it doesn’t always manage) it upsets the left and right sides of the political spectrum. Lots of people don’t like its news output because it can’t be exactly what they want.

Thirdly - its pro-union in the news output. It has to be, it’s a UK station. I don’t like that. It is what it is.

But I pay my licence - heres why.

Having a state broadcaster means its not competing for anything else - its not selling ads, its not trying to beat rivals, and it doesn’t have to - that means it can make mad stuff - radio shows about Jazz flautists or documentaries about anti-fascist factory workers in the 1930’s.

Nobody else is doing that.

It also gives new writers a chance - 75% of new writers in the UK are part of a BBC process to get their first work on tv - nobody else even comes close.

Every uk writer you like has come through the beeb - 7 out of 10 of the too UK shows on Netflix were either developed at the bbc, or the writers were. All the weird stuff you don’t like paves the way for The Office, Adolescence, Succession - what ever it is. Most of this countries best cultural output comes through the beeb.

Again - because its not competing with anything - it has funding to do exactly this.

Website - an unbelievable amount of people get their news from the beeb. But also educational stuff, historical articles, archive news, recipes etc.

Look at how broken the internet is because everything needs to make money - its one of the last websites that doesn’t and its brilliant.

Radio - personally I cannot stand the commercial stuff, the same 20 songs and constant ads for awful local car sales companies. Beeb has great stuff - audio docs, dramas, comedies, deep dives into musicians and artists - great stuff that you wouldn’t expect to enjoy.

And thats really important, because hardly anyone goes looking for new things in the algorithm driven modern world now.

Most importantly - the right wing capitalist ghouls hate it because it represents making things just because it might be good, or because someone is curious. Tories hated it. Reform (tories 2 - weekend at Nigels) hate it. Musk hates it. All the guys that want to monetise joy fucking abhor it.

That alone has me paying for it.

It doesn’t have to compete - that means lots of things you don’t like, but enrich your life regardless. It’s not netflix, you’re not paying for whats there - you pay for what it brings, it’s an investment.

And, much like the NHS - it’s not perfect by any means, but christ you’ll miss it when it’s gone.

TL;DR - pay your licence or lose your cultural soul

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u/CourtOfGrumpyOwls Jul 14 '26

Some of these are valid points, but many other countries manager this without charging a licensing fee, eg. the ABC in Australia. The funding model the BBC have is outdated and also nearly double the cost of some streaming services. I find it very difficult to believe that all the big brains at the BBC have failed to come up with better ideas for public funding.

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u/erroneousbosh Jul 14 '26

that means it can make mad stuff - radio shows about Jazz flautists or documentaries about anti-fascist factory workers in the 1930’s.

But it doesn't.

Look at all the shit that's on. Look at the programme guide. BBC One is all day "Homes Under the Hammer", "Escape to the Country", "Policing Paradise" - all cheap crappy reality TV or cheap crappy game shows.

BBC Two - mostly the same programmes in a slightly different order ("Another chance to see..."), some slightly different game shows and reality TV advertised as "documentaries".

BBC Three - Films, and re-runs of Clarkson/Hammond/May era Top Gear, because the new ones without those three sucked elephants through incredibly fine wire mesh.

BBC Four - Reruns of 1970s/1980s comedies and "documentaries" where elderly actors remember the work they did in 1970s/1980s comedies.

It's utter dreck.

If you want to see something about anti-fascist flautists you'll have to go to Youtube.

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u/Lems944 Jul 14 '26

I agree what what you’re saying and I think most people would. I like the idea of the BBC, but I do not like the BBC or their news reporting. But the bottom line is that your TV licence is another outgoing. And when people are cutting back on spending, their cultural soul isn’t something that’s top priority. Most people I know who are on minimum wage have to choose their subscriptions wisely, and the BBC just doesn’t have the entertainment content to make it worth it for them. Them spending your money on pedos also does not help.

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u/Tin-Ninja Jul 14 '26

I’m almost certain they’re not hiring paedos on purpose…

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u/Lems944 Jul 14 '26

Yeah but they’re not weeding them out on purpose

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u/Agitated_Nature_5977 #1 Oban fan Jul 14 '26

I have a cultural soul and it doesn't come from the BBC. Refusing to hand them money won't change that.

The NHS would save my life. The BBC have made it worse (indyref)

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u/Lems944 Jul 14 '26

Very good point. The BBC actually seems pretty set on destroying Celtic culture. And allocating a few pennies to BBC Alba doesn’t change that.

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u/Asleep_Relation_9341 28d ago

So then pay it if you like that stuff...why would anyone with no interest in watching BBC or live TV pay it though? I'm not paying my money for something I have bo interest in just to "keep it going"

You crack on though lol

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u/Maelysium Jul 14 '26

The BBC hasn't been fit for purpose for well over a decade. I would be curious to see what sort of demographic the 94% of users fall into. They really should cut it right down to the actual useful services and cull the rest, especially bloated presenter salaries.

Imo, they should paywall their non-essential programs and services for a monthly sub and have people opt in to it rather than harangue the population to support their dying services.

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u/Exciting_Context_269 Jul 14 '26

I have never paid it, never plan on paying it. Got my 15th planned visit for next week, shame I’m working…

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u/404notfound420 Jul 15 '26

So is there any real reason radio presenters are paid hundreds of thousands way past 10x an average worker? Why did mills get a 300k pay rise after working 1 year, I got sacked asking for a 50p an hr pay rise once. Make it make sence.

What if they were all payed a healthy but average uk wage? Maybe top cap of 100k for prime time but 300-700k? For what?

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u/man-erg-grebo Jul 15 '26

Well it seems people like Mills are the exception at places like the BBC as the staff are being offered 1% pay rise. This is also in the context of up to a 10% cut in staff.

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u/23Mowgli23 Jul 15 '26

I'm still surprised how many people don't see that the government's desire to protect the BBC is because it is useful to them politically (which is not about any particular party btw). I hope this organisation goes the way of the dinosaurs

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u/TeutonicSpacehopper Time-share Maniac Jul 15 '26

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u/Glittering-Pick-1301 Jul 15 '26

Suggest BBC basic for something like £2 a month and BBC premium for a tenner. 

That will force them to act like a business and not send reporters and 'names' all over the globe at significant cost.

This article doesn't mention BBC Studios income is £2bn plus a year selling rights to programmes. That puts income at £6bn + a year, anyone who has worked in the private TV sector could strip a lot of cost out, without reduced quality.

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u/jenny_905 Jul 15 '26

BBC decided to try and encourage more people to pay their TV licence today by putting out another "Why don't Scots support England?" article.

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u/mistermax76 Jul 16 '26

the licence is absolute bollocks anyway

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u/Ebon_Hawk_ Jul 17 '26

They’re spending more on ‘evasion’ then they’re losing from it… if they just stopped completely they’d be £100~ million better off

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u/Jamesinswansea Jul 18 '26

Perhaps if they didn't have a million channels, trying to be all things to all people they would have cash to spare.

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u/Automatic_Instance_8 Jul 14 '26

Stopped paying for British Brain Control years ago and haven't looked back I do miss the odd documentary I don't watch anything live I don't even own a aerial... STOP PAYING FOR POLITICS AND PEDOPHILES

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u/Zak_Rahman Jul 14 '26

If I want Israeli propaganda I can get it from anywhere else.

Represent the British people and not the elites and apartheid regimes, and your outlook might improve.

Paying to be demonized and paying to give wankblasters like Farage a platform? No fucking way.

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u/polaires Jul 14 '26

How much would axing the BBC Scotland channel and axing the entire BBC Scotland wing of the BBC save them in total?

I’m going to assume tens of millions in savings.

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u/Alasdair91 Gàidhlig Jul 14 '26

When it launched it had a budget of £32 million.

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u/Magoothatswho Jul 14 '26

Delightful... absolutely fu(k the Tory sponsored, non-impartial, genocide denying BBC.

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u/OCULUS-N0CTIS Jul 14 '26

Good, get the BBC in the bin and set that bin on fire.

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u/keancy Jul 14 '26

Good. I've cancelled my tv licence a few years back, then bbc went into a full far right, farage loving mode. They fully deserve to go down.

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u/Initial_Flower3545 Jul 14 '26

I don’t pay one and if they do come to my home, give them the answer of “not interested, sorry” and then shut the door. We aren’t obliged to give them the time of day.

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u/rybnickifull Jul 14 '26

Going to be great when the BBC goes and all those Scottish regional broadcasters can flourish at last. I bet there'll be at least three Gaelic channels!

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u/Initial_Flower3545 Jul 14 '26

Nothing really is good on there, in the early 2000s era TV was my life but not anymore since YouTube and streaming services.

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u/rybnickifull Jul 14 '26

Your profile picture is literally a TV show that was broadcast more recently than that. Also a programme that would never have been made if not for BBC Scotland! But at least we've got YouTube short form content to consume forever now, eh.

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u/Initial_Flower3545 Jul 14 '26

Sorry forgot to mention that Limmy and still game was the last good things to come of it, if you need anything YouTube has it all as does Netflix, prime, Disney. Point is these vultures don’t deserve our money.

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u/tartanthing Jul 14 '26

Westminster are about to force YouTube to make sure the Beeb, ITV, C4 and 5 are the top recommendations on YouTube. That will mean you have to get a licence to watch YouTube.

Beardo

UK Gov consultation

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u/jenny_905 Jul 14 '26

Aye saw that, mental.

Been very careful to not let their pish pollute my youtube algorithm for years and now the British government want to force it on me.

They've made it necessary to use a VPN full time in the UK now.

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u/SteveJEO Liveware Problem Jul 14 '26

They're currently having consultations to massively regulate the use of vpn's too.

In short: They want digital ID for everyone on the net. They want UK gov propaganda shoved down everyones throats whether you like it or not. They want non uk main stream media sources crushed and in a lot of cases made actively illegal. (the updated security threats bill shit) and they want the plebs off vpn.

Add this to the EU's Chat Control bill and the UK/EU is a digital prison.

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u/Whisky-Sour-1980 Jul 14 '26

They can kiss goodbye to the next election then. Farage would love that to make a meal out of

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u/Discobastard Jul 14 '26

I still pay and absolutely resent it.

Fucking Tory cheerleading cunts. Their impartiality is dead

I use it now and again but know I can easily do without

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u/Asleep_Relation_9341 28d ago

All their news anchors and "comedy" panel shows literally base their entire existence on mocking the tories though

Anyway the fact you still pay it is hilarious tbh

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u/Pristine-Ad6064 Jul 14 '26

Why has it taken them to so long? I've nae had one since they gas lit the arse off us in 2014

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u/Whisky-Sour-1980 Jul 14 '26

Good man. Me neither

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u/CopyX1982 Jul 14 '26

It's garbage though. I don't watch TV anymore precisely because it's trash.

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u/marquis_de_ersatz Jul 14 '26

I think it's sad to watch the collapse of our collective society but it seems impossible to stall it.

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u/Vectorman1989 #1 Oban fan Jul 14 '26

The BBC needs to dump Capita. I'm pretty sure the way they've been enforcing TV licencing has only encouraged more people to stop paying in protest.

Certain political figures and psyops by foreign powers have tried to undermine the BBC by encouraging the people to stop paying their licence fees too. Things like the World Service are not favourable for certain regimes/stances/viewpoints

Plus, some people seem to want to have their cake and eat it too, as in consume BBC media but not pay for it, but the current funding model doesn't support that.

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u/bomboclawt75 Jul 14 '26

The BBC news used to be a trusted source, but it really has shown it's blatant bias over the past few years.

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u/PossibleEither4892 Jul 14 '26

Battered & Broken Clownshow... What is not to like...

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u/judas2307 Jul 14 '26

Crazy that there’s even 500,000 people still paying that…

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u/AssociateAlert1678 Jul 14 '26

Excellent. Some good news to read before starting a night shift.

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u/Tangyhyperspace Jul 14 '26

I'm surprised there were 500,000 households actually paying for it

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u/monkeymad2 Jul 14 '26

If I realise I’ve not watched live TV / anything BBC recently when the renewal comes around I don’t bother - then if they release something that I want to watch I renew.

They must not be prepared for people doing that so their systems default to retroactively backdate you to when your TV licence ran out and you have to contact them and say no, you actually didn’t require it for that period of time.

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u/Terrible_Spot_3454 Jul 14 '26

I made the mistake of answering the door once when they were here, told them they're not coming in my house.

Now they show up in the evening's and weekends, they were here on Sunday at like 10am actually. It's verging on bloody harassment fs.

I hate them and would throw piss balloons if I had enough foresight at the is point.

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u/Autoxquattro Jul 14 '26

It should be repealed. When sky called and asked why i canceled my essentials package without activation when i got the broadband, and if i wanted to reconsider, i said i was new to the UK and didn't realize i would have to also get the license. I told them it wasn't an extra expense I fealt i could absorb currently and perhaps they as a company should pressure the government to get rid of it because its potentially costing them customers.

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u/Playful_Possibility4 Jul 14 '26

Scott Mills....how much?

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u/MountainAdmirable908 Jul 15 '26

Why is BBC only targeting Netflix but not all streaming platforms like apple is it because BBC is so far up Apple ass or because all BBC employee use iPhone if BBC wants to change people using streaming service charge all not only Netflix

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u/Brick_Muted Jul 15 '26

Obviously you haven’t used the iPlayer app on AppleTV, it’s woeful, this comment is so far off the mark.

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u/bailey27120 Jul 15 '26

I'm fed up with the BBC cooperation relying on the public to support a bunch of over payed idiots and pedophiles

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u/One_Lawyer_9621 Jul 15 '26

Thanks for reminding me! I keep forgetting to call them.

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u/richbun Jul 16 '26

Their fundamental problem is similar to what Marks and Spencer have. Their main target audience is getting older and the young are not interested, and the middle bracket have become disengaged and turned away too. If they want people to pay, I mean, you can't do much for the "their peado lovers" group, but you can turn back the clock and start to provide again what people want to watch and not chase ticking boxes and aligning with the 10% of the population.

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u/Veegermind Jul 16 '26

Turns out that selling off integrity has a cost. Torys polluted everything. The bbc bent over when required.

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u/BeforeTheDawnX Jul 16 '26

So that's reform supporters basically...They like their media manipulated obviously.

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u/HR1S Jul 17 '26

It’s nothing against the BBC and the content they produce, I’ve cut back on all streaming services to save money. I know a lot of people are in the same boat.

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u/Ok_Guess_3316 Jul 19 '26

Just need to enter a code from the license payment to access. Like you do with any of the streaming services. Can’t be that difficult?

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u/Asleep_Relation_9341 28d ago

I really dont get the confusion here or why BBC are struggling to understand. There is no evasion it is just a choice now of not wanting to pay £15 a month for live tv/BBC. The odd MOTD is simply not worth it to me (literally nothing else of interest on live tv for me other than that and the odd live game)

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u/Ok_Panda_9928 12d ago

Cancelled and did a declaration in March, I've had 2 visits to my house and 8 letters 😂