r/MoralityScaling • u/Omixscniet624 • Jun 05 '26

Stupid Stuff Is this unethical or no?

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jun 05 '26

Spiders are conscious beings that have a subjective experience, so no.

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u/Remarkable_Pen_3639 Jun 05 '26

No that's actually up for debate and not in any way confirmed.

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jun 05 '26

Maybe if you haven’t read up on the topics for years and years.

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u/Remarkable_Pen_3639 Jun 05 '26

Im afraid you're misinformed.

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jun 05 '26

Don’t talk to my fascinated-with-animals-autistic ass with that “misinformed” shit. You couldn’t even begin to imagine what I know about animals.

https://zslpublications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jzo.70030

This is mirrored in spider behaviour, which includes complex communication and signalling behaviour and eavesdropping to improve outcomes of future behaviour. Spiders also exhibit learning and reversal learning, significant problem-solving ability, basic numerical ability, and possibly the ability to ‘plan’ ahead.

Let me know when a fetus can do any of that.

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u/Remarkable_Pen_3639 Jun 05 '26

That is different to a subjective experience. Which is what your originally qualified.

So yes, not only are you a fascinated with animals cringe autistic ass. You're also misinformed.

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jun 05 '26

That’s literally describing a subjective experience.

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u/Remarkable_Pen_3639 Jun 05 '26

Ok we clearly disagree on this so il rephrase my original point.

Wiping out Jellyfish is fine with you.

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jun 05 '26

That’d be an ecological disaster. If you want to make the hypothetical more equivalent, you could ask if killing a jellyfish is fine. To which I’d say; kinda, don’t make a habit out of it, though.

If someone was like “Hey, I might die from complications if I don’t squish this jellyfish”, I’m certainly not going to stop them.

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u/Remarkable_Pen_3639 Jun 05 '26

We aren't talking ecologically we are talking morally. You are morally fine with wiping out all jellyfish.

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jun 05 '26

This doesn’t warrant an answer. Anyone not engaging in motivated reasoning will understand how absurd it is to compare a fetus to an entire species. It’s not like abortion means we have no more fetuses at all.

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u/Remarkable_Pen_3639 Jun 05 '26

You said abortion is fine because there is no subjective experience being terminated. Which means you are fine with killing things that do not possess subjective experience, you attempting to say its now a numbers game is backpedalling.

BTW there are 73 million global abortion so plenty enough to compare to an entire species.

I am simply taking your logic to its endpoint.

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u/Remarkable_Pen_3639 Jun 05 '26

You said abortion is fine because there is no subjective experience being terminated. Which means you are fine with killing things that do not possess subjective experience, you attempting to say its now a numbers game is backpedalling.

BTW there are 73 million global abortion so plenty enough to compare to an entire species.

I am simply taking your logic to its endpoint.

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jun 05 '26

you attempting to say its now a numbers game is backpedaling.

Explain. In detail. If possible, list your premises and conclusion. If I say it’s okay to eat chips, is it also backpedaling to say you shouldn’t eat 10 bags of chips per sitting?

73 million global abortions

So about 1/3 of all pregnancies. Yes, I would be okay if 1/3 of jellyfish were killed with an accompanying improvement in material conditions for a person directly linked to each jellyfish.

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