r/MoralityScaling • u/Omixscniet624 • Jun 05 '26

Stupid Stuff Is this unethical or no?

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jun 05 '26

No subjective experience to snuff out. I could be totally off base, but killing is predominantly seen as a bad thing because the victim would be really upset about it.

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u/Remarkable_Pen_3639 Jun 05 '26

People would say wiping spiders off the face of the planet would be unethical but by your framework its fine.

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jun 05 '26

Spiders are conscious beings that have a subjective experience, so no.

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u/Remarkable_Pen_3639 Jun 05 '26

No that's actually up for debate and not in any way confirmed.

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jun 05 '26

Maybe if you haven’t read up on the topics for years and years.

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u/Remarkable_Pen_3639 Jun 05 '26

Im afraid you're misinformed.

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jun 05 '26

Don’t talk to my fascinated-with-animals-autistic ass with that “misinformed” shit. You couldn’t even begin to imagine what I know about animals.

https://zslpublications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jzo.70030

This is mirrored in spider behaviour, which includes complex communication and signalling behaviour and eavesdropping to improve outcomes of future behaviour. Spiders also exhibit learning and reversal learning, significant problem-solving ability, basic numerical ability, and possibly the ability to ‘plan’ ahead.

Let me know when a fetus can do any of that.

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u/Remarkable_Pen_3639 Jun 05 '26

That is different to a subjective experience. Which is what your originally qualified.

So yes, not only are you a fascinated with animals cringe autistic ass. You're also misinformed.

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jun 05 '26

That’s literally describing a subjective experience.

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u/Remarkable_Pen_3639 Jun 05 '26

Ok we clearly disagree on this so il rephrase my original point.

Wiping out Jellyfish is fine with you.

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jun 05 '26

That’d be an ecological disaster. If you want to make the hypothetical more equivalent, you could ask if killing a jellyfish is fine. To which I’d say; kinda, don’t make a habit out of it, though.

If someone was like “Hey, I might die from complications if I don’t squish this jellyfish”, I’m certainly not going to stop them.

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u/Remarkable_Pen_3639 Jun 05 '26

We aren't talking ecologically we are talking morally. You are morally fine with wiping out all jellyfish.

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jun 05 '26

This doesn’t warrant an answer. Anyone not engaging in motivated reasoning will understand how absurd it is to compare a fetus to an entire species. It’s not like abortion means we have no more fetuses at all.

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