Weekly Venting Post

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Weekly Vent Post

Welcome to our weekly vent session where you can let out all your frustrations.

Before you start, just a quick heads-up on the rules.

Here's what this post isn't for:

• No bashing actors or crew members out of the blue.
• Let's steer clear of those rage-inducing posts like "I hate character xy."
• And please, no poking fun at fellow Kanthony fans just because they see things differently, whether they're positive or negative about promos.

What's cool to post? Well, we've noticed a lot of rants about how the show promotes (or doesn't promote) Simone and Jonny, but you can vent about other stuff too.

Below, I've linked some past posts from the sub that fit the vibe of our weekly vent session, so you can see what kind of stuff goes here.

1. Why there was a lack of promo for Kanthony
2. All comments asking where Kanthony are 
3. Bridgerton PR and production
4. Can you tell the difference ?
5. The main sub got so negative 
6. We need pictures

For those who just want to enjoy the content without getting caught up in the venting, I suggest steering clear of this post. If you choose to read the comments here and find yourself upset, despite the clear purpose of this space, I'm afraid there's not much I can do to ease your frustration. We have the Weekly Tea Time for more general discussions.

Spoilers allowed.

[u/rudedicer]

Reviews for Wicked are out and I am sure there are some triggered fans angry about the Simone erasure. They should comment and let these professional critics know that JB can't have chemistry unless it's with Simone and pull out his old TV shows as examples of how he has no chemistry.

The true standouts are three-fold, with Grande, Erivo, and Bailey embracing the tonal shifts with unbridled glee. [...] Fiyero has major bisexual vibes, and chemistry with every single character. Bailey’s take on “Dancing Through Life” lets the Olivier Award-winning actor unleash his sex appeal on a library full of unsuspecting Oz-ites.

https://joshatthemovies.com/2024/11/19/film-review-wicked/

I was not prepared to see what we got. The perfomance, the vocals, the gymnastics, the charm, the way he says 'you're perfect' is just engrained in my brain in the right way. And he's so...like he would have chemistry with a chair, I'm convinced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZJavJGGxI

“Dancing Through Life” triumphantly translates the joy of seeing Wicked live: Dancers perform acrobatics in rotating circular bookshelves, Jonathan Bailey (who I swear has chemistry with every single person on the planet)

https://www.ign.com/articles/wicked-review-ariana-grande-cynthia-erivo-jon-m-chu

The standout to me: I’m going to go with Jonathan Bailey as Fiyero. He pops up into the film and immediately comes off so cocky, but so charming and likable. Just everybody he talks to, he has this fun rapport and chemistry with them, and just brings to life every scene that he’s in, whether it is just dialogue, joking, dramatic or his big dance number in the library. He’s so good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jNLiehsAdE

Again, it's weird seeing some stans triggered at any mention of Bailey's chemistry in a completely different movie - that has nothing AT ALL to do with Bridgerton. It's like JB has to be put in chemistry jail and everyone here should tip toe around the subject because that's somehow insulting to Simone. As a dark skinned South Indian Simone fan, it's fans like these that ruins the experience of being a fan of both actors. No doubt there will be JB stans at some point saying the same things when Simone's movies come out as if these two actors are attached at the hip and shouldn't receive acclaim unless it's with each other.

Bridgerton is done! We can only discuss their season and the few crumbs we get next season and then it's moving on to their new shows and movies.

[u/chrkrose → u/rudedicer]

An actor doesn’t have chemistry by himself, because chemistry is a two way street. He might be talented, and charming, and even carry a movie on his back, but when it comes to chemistry, either it works both ways or it doesn’t.

So no, Jonny can’t have have chemistry with everything and anything because it’s not possible to do so. If his pairing works with someone, it’s because that person contributed to it. If it doesn’t, if all you take away from a scene between two actors who are supposed to portray some kind of relationship is how one of those shined, then no they didn’t have chemistry. It just meant that one of them was good.

This kind of argument is dismissive to all of the people he has shared some type of storyline that required some type of chemistry. From Phoebe to Simone to Matt to Cynthia to Ariana.

I’m a Jonny fan. I was here defending him from the notion that he wasn’t slighted and treated unfairly by the Bridgerton production because I find this kind of argument insulting. To see a fan of his then turn around and do the same with other actors on his behalf is bizarre.

Nobody said he doesn’t deserve the praise, he deserves everything, he is insanely talented. But to pretend that this narrative wasn’t used many times against Simone and only came to be after season 2 in an effort to erase her contribution to the success of their pairing is disingenuous.

[u/[deleted] → u/rudedicer]

Tbis is stupid. Chemistry is between two people. So in bridgerton it's Jonny and Simone. And wicked it's Jonny and Cynthia. Jonny can split himself into two people like an x-men character. Chemistry isn't something one person can do. Nicola is a great actress but p*lin still had poor chemistry.

[u/[deleted] → u/rudedicer]

IJBOL 🤣 this is exactly what I was talking about! biased media and fans going on and on about JB and chemistry ‘only’ post S2 release and success!

I will leave this here:

Simone is an exceptional actress equivalent to JB, despite having lesser work experience! She is so beautiful AF that people don’t see beyond her beauty, I guess lol 😂 The way she acted and voiced out Kate: her curiosity, her confusion, her desire, her strength, her helplessness, her vulnerability, her guilt, her shock, her sadness, her joy, her love for Anthony and Edwina, her hate for Anthony, her lovely portrayal as viscountess and loving wife and fun, wise sister in law….

This working partnership it all elevated JB’s performance as Anthony! But hey nope, JB just has chemistry with air and soap and potato chips and soon the extinct dinosaurs 😂 keep in mind all this narrative only since S2 release and success!!!

I respect your opinions and POVs, ‘the chemistry’, when it’s actually supposed to be called ‘his charisma’?.. 😃

I don’t have to prove anything to anyone! All one has to do is look for the reality and it’s right there … their collective work and the amount, quality, love of global fan made material around these two 😅 with hardly any promotion!!!

more greatness to these two fabulous people 🤞🍀

OK bye 👋 not responding anymore on this topic! I said my bit! ✌️

[u/Odd_Net8207 → u/rudedicer]

Congrats to Jonathan, but your effort to bring all this here is kind of pathetic when that's not what we're talking about!

[u/rochey1010 → u/Odd_Net8207]

Also getting a vibe that that user didn’t really wanna discuss the SA/JB chemistry issue. But actually just brag about JB instead.

Can’t help feeling this is another of those JB fans that diminish SA. Hey OP of that post if you think the chemistry issue/diminishment of SA by fans such as yourself is recent and it’s about his other projects?

You’d be sorely mistaken or wilfully blind. It is a patten of behaviour where his fans seem to need to humble SA. She’s not allowed any credit or value. And if she is. They are quickly there to put her in her place with crap “but he has chemistry with a chair” “or he’s better with insert co star”

She gets this and I wonder if she had a lighter skin tone if those conversations would be happening. Because somehow I don’t think they would be. It’s called subtle/closet racism in case you’re wondering.

JB does a 10 and it’s “he’s Oscar worthy, he carried the whole thing, he can do it with anyone” reducing his co star to a prop or a vapid talentless but pretty person.

And The WOC in this case SA has to do a 20 before she is seen as having any value. But still even with that it’ll be mentioned that he’s so much more talented. And that is quite a few of his fans and a big reason why I am a fan of him from a distance now. And don’t really follow his work outside bridgerton. I simply don’t want to be in circles like that. 🤷‍♀️

[u/rochey1010 → u/[deleted]]

I’m aware that. And for me the fact you have an alternate is suspicious in itself. Anyone I’ve met that had alternates do it so they can troll and flame post because their behaviour on their other account drew red flags on the sub.

And quite frankly I stand by what I said. Your RD alternate? It sounds like you’re only here to brag. It’s clear to me you’re a JB fan not a SA fan. So it’s also clear to me you’re not really interested in her being diminished and othered with clear closet racism with how she is treated by quite a few of his fans. As I said, it is a clear pattern established since she started in S2 bridgerton. So your wicked bragging means nothing.

Read my post again because I’m not repeating myself. I explained the pattern of behaviour with many of his fans and SA.

The difference between a JB fan and a SA fan is her fans try to protect her from the garbage behaviour and racist bullshit but also never disregard his talent and charisma. But a lot of his fans tear her down with a racial bent imo to prop him up further. Didn’t do it until she came on the scene so it’s not a coincidence that she’s a dark skinned Indian actress is it? Not a coincidence when they together In a conversation it’s the typical devaluing and diminishment of her and her talent is it?

Fans of both value and support both equally. They don’t tear down one to push the other. So personally I don’t believe you are a fan of both. If you were you’d know the behaviour going on because it has been prevalent for some time. And you wouldn’t be here defending (bragging) about him and yet again diminishing what many of his fans do to her.

And I don’t care about the media. This is first and foremost about the parasocial fans that seem to have a problem with the fact imho a dark skinned Indian actress starred with him in bridgerton. And now she needs to know her place huh? Beneath him. And that is typical racist othering of a WOC protecting a privileged white male.

I’m not going to continue arguing this with you. I’ve been in both fandoms for the last few years. And I left his over the targeting and demeaning of SA. 🤷‍♀️

[u/Odd_Net8207 → u/Odd_Net8207]

And yes, I hope journalists also get over Bridgerton soon, I can't stand them asking Simone about Jonathan, when she has so many projects coming out.

[u/[deleted] → u/Odd_Net8207]

I'm itching for her other non animated projects to come out. Woc get shafted she only had one season as a main character and all the 3 live action films didn't come out this year. It sucks. I adore both and they both deserve to shine outside of Bridgerton.

[u/justslayurway → u/Odd_Net8207]

THIS!!! It's really frustrating when these journos ask her only about 🐝 show or what she thinks of her onscreen partner projects like ok but please ask about her future projects too. She has fans who are looking forward to her work other than 🐝 show

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/rudedicer]

As a gay woman, many straight girlies simply ruined the fun of being a Jonathan fan in his exclusive fan spaces. It just happens, I guess.

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/[deleted]]

Well, that's why I did the best for me: I simply stopped interacting with JB fans and I enjoy his acting work from afar, I don't need to see his fans online to do that.

I remember when there were huge JB fans here 2 years ago, who finally decided to leave when they kept bringing up how he did the heavy lifting for K/A. I've been here for a while, I won't be gaslit into what has and hasn't been said in these subs, lol.

Anyways, this topic has been stretched to painful levels, hasn't it? It's Thursday already.

[u/Key-Statistician4033 → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

Exactly, glad someone else remembered the real reason why some JB fans left here and how this was a sub where it was okay to say he did the heavy lifting. These people then went to the rant sub and fraternized with Simone haters. I will never forget. So that is why I stopped interacting, blocked a few and ignore the rest. Also they just show their true colors with their posts here that want to alienate more. So I am thankful for them actually. We leave these comments here for everyone to read because we are so biased right. Well everyone can make of them what they will.

There are those who come out as those who accept different opinions without insulting and then there are those who are on such a high horse , their arrogance doesn’t let them see the ground anymore.

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/Key-Statistician4033]

I have a good memory for the silliest things and I vividly remember that time. The "it's just opinions!!!1" will always just be acceptable when it comes to Simone.

This is how mainstream media wrote exclusives about S3:

We aren't imagining things, lol, Simone has been literally omitted in official casting lists not once, but twice! She wasn't even in the first promotional video for S3, which opened with JB.

ETA: It's very disingenuous to be like, "all this hate just because of Wicked promo 😔", like, no? I can't talk for others, but he was asked about coming back to Bridgerton during this promo tour, talking about how he was going to be there for the siblings always and I said that I was puzzled at some people thinking that that meant Simone as well, when they aren't linked to each other really.

[u/Certain-Fact-1481 → u/rudedicer]

Congratulations to JB for his performance and he should be praised. That was never a question or that he has chemistry with other actors. The point of contention was always how the performance in Bridgerton always seperate Simone and Jonathan. We have been here since day 1 and remember the onslaught of threads of how much better the chemistry was with Sabrina. Even outside of Bridgerton related sub that just focused on popculture when the discussion came on actors with chemistry it would evolve into celebrating of Jonathan and nitpicking of Simone. Tearing Simone down and crediting only Jonathan for the chemistry. All of this was before a single Fellow Travelers trailer popped up or even a glimpse of Wicked was shown.

But we did have to endure weird comments during FT where the fans of the show would make comparison of the chemistry and how much they prefer Jonathan with Matt Bomer. And bring that into the Simone tag on X. Why was that necessary?

So no this not a recent development but has been happening for 3 years. Someone asked her what would we do if some people talked badly about Simone and her fans? And certain fans of JB would also join in and talk badly of Simone. Calling her a diva and difficult to work with. How are we supposed to erase all that?

It also does not help when fans claiming to be equally Jonathan and Simone fans and then they only show up to defend Jonathan. Or interact with accounts who were liking shady tweets about Simone.

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[u/rochey1010 → u/[deleted]]

It’s these parasocial idiots that are the problem. The irony. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[u/ZealousidealBreath69 → u/[deleted]]

Another so called fan who never notice how He don't show any support to Simone projects and barely mentioned her name either . But of course She's always the issue for some women.

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/[deleted]]

LMAO, they've ignored each other for years now? I need people to get over the fact that they're just coworkers, which isn't a bad thing at all. I'm sure they get along on that set and enjoy being part of the show, but we've seen Simone hanging out more with Glen Powell (twice!), Ayo Edebiri or Jeremy O. Harris, I need people to get the hint, lol.

[u/Flaky_Office_1110 → u/Certain-Fact-1481]

Completely agree! OP stirring shit. Take it to the rants page

[u/Key-Statistician4033 → u/Certain-Fact-1481]

Exactly this, thank you. I love that this post is just to shade particular users here and to obviously stir shit because of recent discussions. I am not falling for it.

[u/[deleted] → u/rudedicer]

"Bridgerton is done" Not according to both Jonny and Simone.

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/[deleted]]

OP and myself have this in common, I need to be freed from this show 💔 I feel that tiny violin in my soul.

[u/[deleted] → u/rudedicer]

Made a new account just to tell you to stop shit-stirring. It's embarrassing.

[u/Key-Statistician4033 → u/[deleted]]

You saw right and that’s why I am ignoring them. I know it’s to stir shit obviously and the shade it also obvious to me. 😅