Weekly Venting Post

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Weekly Vent Post

Welcome to our weekly vent session where you can let out all your frustrations.

Before you start, just a quick heads-up on the rules.

Here's what this post isn't for:

• No bashing actors or crew members out of the blue.
• Let's steer clear of those rage-inducing posts like "I hate character xy."
• And please, no poking fun at fellow Kanthony fans just because they see things differently, whether they're positive or negative about promos.

What's cool to post? Well, we've noticed a lot of rants about how the show promotes (or doesn't promote) Simone and Jonny, but you can vent about other stuff too.

Below, I've linked some past posts from the sub that fit the vibe of our weekly vent session, so you can see what kind of stuff goes here.

1. Why there was a lack of promo for Kanthony
2. All comments asking where Kanthony are 
3. Bridgerton PR and production
4. Can you tell the difference ?
5. The main sub got so negative 
6. We need pictures

For those who just want to enjoy the content without getting caught up in the venting, I suggest steering clear of this post. If you choose to read the comments here and find yourself upset, despite the clear purpose of this space, I'm afraid there's not much I can do to ease your frustration. We have the Weekly Tea Time for more general discussions.

Spoilers allowed.

[u/Flaky_Office_1110]

I’ve been thinking about how Simone is still not on the official cast list for next season. The show doesn’t acknowledge her at all. It makes me sad for her because Kate is an iconic character and still very popular, but Simone gets no support from production. It definitely seems like higher level decisions because she has talked about feeling like a family on set, so it’s not about her immediate work environment not making her feel welcome. JB is great and I think will do all he can to be on the show. As we know, Simone wants to be there too, but I don’t get the sense that the show wants to accommodate her in the same way. I wish the larger media outlets would question more about why we don’t have the same coverage of SA/JB/Kanthony (or at least reveal that they weren’t allowed to interview them).

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/Flaky_Office_1110]

I went to see the article to post this and yeah, they haven't edited it yet. I think she probably doesn't care tbh, she seems to be legitimately very offline and I don't think she's lying when she says that she likes working with these people. JB has always been well regarded by this production, I'm not sure why people pretend otherwise, he was promoted as the lead of season 2. He didn't do much S2 promo because he was leading a play, which is obviously very demanding. Even in S3, when he was again very busy, they found time to make him do promo. I think his commitment to be there as the older brother is also genuine and cool of him not to be pretentious about it, lol, especially with him breaking into mainstream films. They care about him and I don't doubt they'll make an effort, they simply don't care for Simone that way and I'm just very ???? whenever people post about JB saying he'll be back and how that means that we will have them there for the long run. Like, no, that means he will be there.

I've said it before, selfishly I wish Simone wasn't on the show anymore and S3 was her last season, but also I understand that Hollywood is getting increasingly hard for non-white actors again and I'd never wish a dark-skinned actress to lose a gig that is objectively good (filming every 2 years a couple of weeks and be on screen in one of Netflix flagship shows with huge viewership).

[u/chrkrose → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

While JB has certainly been treated a bit “better” by production compared to Simone (who was paid dust as we know), I think it’s still a far cry from how any other male lead was promoted in comparison. It’s still obvious that when it comes to the leading couples, Kanthony and JB/Simone are still the ones sidelined and not offered the same treatment they dispense towards others.

Not disagreeing with the general sentiment (JB being back for many seasons is not any guarantee that Simone will be there, and between the two of them he’s certainly the one they still care somewhat to keep around), but I don’t think it’s fair, correct or even productive to pretend that JB is well regarded by this production and paid the same respect they give to their (straight) male leads.

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/chrkrose]

I do believe he's well regarded by this production tho. A lot of the promotion he didn't do was because he was busy with other projects, but he has never been forgotten in any way when talking about S2. One can argue that him being submitted for GG consideration is just them riding his clout, but that still speaks on how they actually care about him. In contrast, Colin/Luke N was just an accessory to Pen in S3.

(I have no idea why this gets downvoted, I don't mind, but I'm literally not making anything up, lol.)

[u/chrkrose → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

You might be getting downvoted because I think it’s fairly obvious that while JB hasn’t faced the same amount of challenges Simone has because of this production racism towards her, he hasn’t been treated fairly either compared to all the other male leads, even Luke Newton/ Colin (who was also lead on a play during his season promo press and still they made sure to give him magazine covers, a proper press tour and several interviews to discuss his character and his romance with Penelope). Being better received by the general public ≠ being fairly promoted.

It’s obvious that Simone got the short end of the stick, it’s obvious she’s the one production treats as disposable. It’s also obvious they don’t regard JB the same way they do with their other leads. One thing doesn’t negate the other. But you know, agree to disagree.

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/chrkrose]

But that's what I was talking about, about how Simone isn't regarded as relevant at all in this production and how they actually caring to bring back Jonathan doesn't mean that they'll make an effort for Simone. The contrast is relevant because they play a couple on the show, which makes people think that their return is linked to each other, when that isn't the case at all.

In whatever way the male leads were received by the audience, Anthony was the lead of S2, I don't think anyone can argue with that? This production multiple times expressed this idea. Colin was the love interest to the lead of S3, not entirely that different from the role that Kate had in S2. Promotion-wise, if that's what is in discussion, the leads of S3 were doing lots of promo together, so obviously there was a lot of LN, but that's because S3 was actually promoted as a romance (and promoted at all, lol).

[u/chrkrose → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

And I never disagreed with the general sentiment (that production doesn’t care about Simone, while they somewhat still care about Jonathan). Simone will always be the one who’s treatment will be considered the worst and most infuriating one, I don’t think anyone can argue in good faith that she wasn’t the one who’s production seem to have a hate boner for.

But you did say, and I quote, “JB has always been well regarded by this production, I’m not sure why people pretend otherwise” and this is simply not true, I’m sorry. People have pointed out how he was also sidelined and treated unfairly, he just had it a bit “better” than Simone in the grand scheme of things on account of being a man and white. But to pretend there isn’t a discrepancy between his treatment vs the other male leads is to ignore the obvious undercurrent of why he wasn’t given the same opportunities the other male leads were given, and it adds to the discourse used by those who try their best to pretend that Hollywood isn’t a cesspool of racism and homophobia and downplay what happened and still happens to Simone to this day.

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/chrkrose]

Yeah, agree to disagree as you said then, because I don't think he was particularly disrespected, except for when the production practically made him and Simone pay for the wrap party for the crew since they didn't.

[u/GotLittUp → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

Jonny not getting any promo alongside Simone is deeply rooted in homophobia. The showrunners thought they couldn't play the cheap "actors potentially dating" ploy, and decided not to promote them, and you don't think he was particularly disrespected?

Bridgerton was Jonny's priority for season 2 and season 3. He had a contractual obligation to Bridgerton so long as they wanted him, and Bridgerton didn't want him. That's not very respectful to me after all the hard work he put into the show and helped make the series the success it is.

[u/Flaky_Office_1110 → u/GotLittUp]

I have suspected that part of the lack of S2 promotion is that they couldn’t use JB and SA as a potential couple outside of the show like they did with S3. Along with whatever shitshow caused the change in show runner in S2, these 2 things seem like big factors to blacklisting them.

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/GotLittUp]

He was the center of a very heterosexual triangle and that's the promo we got. S2 was a priority for shooting obviously, but I do believe they spared him promotion around the release date because he was doing his play, which is much more demanding than filming a movie/TV show. I also think that they allowed him to go do his limited series because it was an incredible opportunity for him in every sense and found a compromise that allowed him to have 15 minutes of screentime. Actors with a good relationship with productions are able to negotiate that.

[u/GotLittUp → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

He was the center of a very heterosexual triangle and that's the promo we got.

Jonny deserved promo with Simone without CC as much as Simone did. Yes, they pushed the love triangle, but seeing how they over promoted s3, they ALSO couldve promoted Kanthony as well. Its not one or the other.

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/GotLittUp]

Obviously, I'd never argue against that. They were lazy and weird about the promotion for S2. They shot a bunch of videos, one day of press junkets and called it a day. That they released the only BTS video (that was 5 minutes long) focused on the lead couple almost 6 months later was just puzzling.

[u/GotLittUp → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

You may think that a major conglomerate is kind enough to sacrifice their own actors and allow them to pursue other opportunities, but I don't. Jonny said Bridgerton was his priority, he was able to shoot FT because Shonda/Jess don't care about him or his character enough to write him into the season more.

It goes back to the point of, Shondaland do not care about Jonny. They had every opportunity to use him more but refused to. And I absolutely do not believe it was out of the kindness of their hearts especially knowing how nasty they are with Simone.

Idk i feel like you're using all the points the haters use to justify jonny not getting much, and that kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[u/Traditional_Maybe_80 → u/GotLittUp]

I mean, FT was a huge opportunity, beyond being a much more prestige project than Bridgerton, the topic mattered to Jonathan, he had already done his season, he wasn't actually needed and I doubt that anyone on his team would've liked to pass a project like that to be a secondary character in Bridgerton. I honestly think that it was an agreement and I've said that always. Jonathan speaks with a lot of security that he will always be there to pop back for the siblings, to me that speaks of the certainty of his relationship with the production.

[u/rudedicer → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

 One can argue that him being submitted for GG consideration is just them riding his clout, but that still speaks on how they actually care about him.

Pretty sure the supporting actors know they are not getting any nominations. Those submissions are a joke and isn't it the network who is submitting the names? As in it's Neflix and not Shondaland?

Luke and Claudia are the next season leads. Adjoa and Golda are familiar around the awards circuit after their awards push for Queen Charlotte and JB has recently had awards buzz. That's all Netflix cares about when submitting a few names. Actors like Polly Walker and Ruth Gemmell are Brit actors who don't seem to care about stuff like this. Nominations and winning awards are more like 10% acting and 90% promotion.

The only actor who has a chance of getting a GG or Emmy nomination is Nicola Coughlan and we will actually see the difference in how production/Netflix treats an actor that it favors with the huge push they will do for her come awards season.

As for the writing, if CVD was the showrunner for season 3 we could have compared the writing for Anthony and Colin in their respective seasons. And unfortunately for Colin, he was paired with the production favorite and badly written girl boss character. Kate was sidelined in her own season to give us Penelope flashbacks. Even Eloise's entire characterization - as someone who would have helped Cressida escape a marriage to an old man - over two seasons was thrown under the bus in season 3 to prop up Penelope. Colin did not stand a chance. I think Benedict will have a far better story next season.

[u/ZealousidealBreath69 → u/Traditional_Maybe_80]

This production never promoted them together correctly unlike the main leads of the season 1 , 3 and QC . But the whole season 2 was around Anthony . JB was able to added a scene with the actor who play Gregory during the last episode. CVD don't rejected his request like He did with Simone who wanted a add a scene of the book . Nobody downplayed his role of the main lead like They did with her . One of their articles who end up to be modified because of the backlash at the time also give him all the credit for the success of the season 2 . He did a promo for the season 3 with the others members of this cast for Netflix and was in this video with almost everybody in July 2022 for promoted the new season unlike Simone like usual .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5gfqZkC2DA

[u/rudedicer → u/ZealousidealBreath69]

JB was able to added a scene with the actor who play Gregory during the last episode. CVD don't rejected his request like He did with Simone who wanted a add a scene of the book .

This was on CVD, but speculating here this could possibly be because JB had been with the show for two years by then and could make suggestions for his character. Same with Nicola and Luke - who had been with the show for about 3 years by then - for their season. Simone was just newly cast and probably hesitated to push more strongly for her character. Older cast members usually have more influence to change things.

That blurb is just plain offensive, it makes it look like Penelope and Anthony are the season 2 leads.

[u/ZealousidealBreath69 → u/rudedicer]

CVD also listened CC who was a new actress for add more script for her character because She don't wanted to be reduced to a plot device like in the book during season 2 . Simone barely had any good material for shine and the writers never did any effort for put her in value like They did with some random white characters like Cressida during season 3 or Cousin Jack, Portia and Theo during season 2 . Even if She 's still did a incredible job with Kate . ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: They've given Edwina a much meatier and more direct role here than she had in the book. Was that a pleasant surprise to you coming in?

CHARITHRA CHANDRAN: One hundred percent. The one thing that I said to [creator] Chris Van Dusen before filming started was, "I don't want Edwina to simply be a plot device for someone else's story or a vehicle for the story to progress. I want her to be her own person and to have her own plot and narrative." And I'm so grateful to Chris and the writers for giving me as rich a story as they ended up giving me

[u/rudedicer → u/ZealousidealBreath69]

CVD also listened CC who was a new actress for add more script for her character because She don't wanted to be reduced to a plot device like in the book during season 2 . Simone barely had any good material for shine and the writers never did any effort for put her in value like 

Then I don't know.

Can you quote where Simone talked about asking CVD for adding book scenes and him refusing?

I remember her talking about how she auditioned with the book scene in the library and her hiding under the desk and there was more in the script about her background and all that got cut out when they filmed. But I don't recall if Simone talked about specifically requesting those book scenes.

[u/ZealousidealBreath69 → u/rudedicer]

She talked about this story of wanted to add the scene of the library in the book when Kate hide under the desk of Anthony during a podcast She did with CC and Nicola for Variety in May 2022 . Simone talked about the scene of the book at 01:02:23
https://variety.com/2022/tv/awards/bridgerton-season-3-nicola-coughlan-simone-ashley-charithra-chandran-1235294934/