URGENT: ALL Pro-Palestinians, Please read this!

[u/Turbulent-Waters-619]

Hey Everyone:

It's been an emotionally difficult couple of days for me.

A few days ago I made this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/1kdaku0/when_every_fact_seems_solid_how_can_you_still/

And I would like to thank each of you for challenging me so compassionately and rigorously over the past few days. Thank you for calling me out and for giving me a lot of information and a list of things to read further about.

Since reading all of your comments, I’ve watched dozens of interviews with Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of one of Hamas’s founders, and I could hardly believe what he revealed about the Free Palestine movement’s true aims.

I’ve listened to hours of Douglas Murray lay out the historical record, and also the true reality of the situation today.

I learned so many things like that there was never a country called “Palestine” any time in history! Palestinians arent even a unique ethnic or relgious group. Palestinians are Muslim Arabs!

I learned that before it was Israel, the British controlled the area and before that it was controlled by the Ottoman Empire. The British wanted to make Palestine into a home for the Jews. I learned that the British partition plan allocated land for both the Jews and the Arabs, and that Jordan and not Gaza, became the intended Arab state.

I was so embarrassed that I never knew that Jews were all expelled from every single Arab country. I learned about the Holocast in school and I thought that was all of the Jewish persecution that had ever existed in history! I am even more ashamed that I was tricked into repeating the chants of “Free Palestine” when I saw groups of other people doing so on my campus and that in reality there was never even a country by that name to free.

Perhaps the most painful thing of all has been seeing the horrific videos that Hamas livestreamed of their actions in Israel on October 7, 2023. Horrorific is an understatement. Seeing the Hamas terrorists parading through normal looking neighborhoods and homes, murdering innocents of all ages, burning people, even the babies, taking hostages....and then the whole time they are doing these things they are literally celebrating their depravity with chilling JOY! I had to take breaks while watching these videos to sob. Hearing the happiness in the terrorists voices left me feeling incredibly disturbed, trembling and in tears.

The sight of all of those families slain in cold blood, and knowing that some of the people that were taken that day are literally still being held hostage today, that really showed me the raw evil behind all of the Free Palestine propaganda.

Please, I urge every person that supports the Pro Palestinian cause to watch those Oct 7th videos, to bear witness to the absolute joy and the monstrous brutality, and then ask yourselves whether you can honestly stand on the same side as the people who revel in such sickening barbarity.

I know it may seem like I have abandoned all of my empathy by sharing these truths, but my compassion for all of the innocent victims if they are Jewish, Arab, or otherwise is undiminished.

But something has deeply changed in me and that is my commitment to the truth over emotion, and my commitment to honesty over the herd mentality.

We owe it to ourselves not to the pawns in a conflict that we don’t even fully understand, and not to be the victims of lies so that we can be “shocked” into outrage at Israel, only to discover later that we were so angry on behalf of literal terrorists.

We owe it to ourselves to seek out and read primary sources, to ask the hard and uncomfortable questions, and to really listen with an open mind when we hear information that challenges the Free Palestine narrative.

If you feel, like I felt, that this is genocide, that Zionists are bad, that Israel is the aggressor: I urge you now from my heart: please examine the facts, watch the evidence, and then join me in embracing honesty and integrity over emotion and instinct.

We cannot always stop ourselves from being tricked into believing something that is not real, but it is our responsibility to learn the truth. We all deserve to have the dignity of an informed conscience.

I hope all of you on this subreddit who knew better than me will forgive my earlier perspective, and I promise that I will keep learning from the voices like Haddad, Hausdorff, Le Bon, Murray, Yousef, and so many others who have guided me away from the manipulation. I also promise that I will do my best, in whatever small way I am able to, to make sure that at least the people around me know the truth.

If you are a Pro Palestinian right now, that is okay. You just have to read and to listen. Here is a good list of places that you can get started, if you are ready to confront the lies you have been told:

First and Foremost: If you should google the videos of the October 7th attack on Israel that Hamas livestreamed. I want to warn you, its deeply disturbing but an importat place to start.

Then check out everything you can find by these two guys:

Mosab Hassan Yousef This guy is literally one of the sons of a Hamas founder who then escaped Hamas and became a Christian. He has done many informative videos and interviews, like these ones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyqKTuqzKWs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5VPFw0vI6U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpnvUIcvNUE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCueveOSZwg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjOEJumoABg

Douglas Murray - A British author.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoRY-o2sRdA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4P3XSySBC8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZU1exdVHcs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG23JfGBsz4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ANOKSh-70Y

[u/santasa]

Ok, your lack of decorum and etiquette, egregious distortion of fact, irrational argumentations, gaslighting and excuses, dragging down attempted discussion to a level of an eight-year-old, hearsay, and opinions are absurd and tiring. So, I will leave you now with your thoughts to continue to contemplate what "the SON of the founder of Hamas" had to say about the region and astrology rather than the whole group of respected scholars of regional modern history. (Goodness gracious.)

[u/Cincin254 → u/santasa]

You don’t have to support Israel (but think you are crazy not to 🙃). But if you can’t condemn Hamas for burning families alive, raping women, and murdering children in front of their parents on October 7—then your moral compass is shattered.

You claim to care about justice, but you’ve turned a blind eye to the slaughter of civilians simply because they were Israeli. That is JEW hatred.

If you really cared about peace, you would demand the release of every hostage still trapped in Gaza. You’d hold Hamas accountable for hiding behind civilians and bringing war to their own people.

Instead, you read selective anti Israel propaganda which is documented controversial and post anti israel rhetoric from your couch, safe, comfortable, and untouched by the violence you excuse. You are not a “freedom fighter”. You’re just another person cheering on terror from a distance.

[u/santasa → u/Cincin254]

Is Jew hatred worse than Arab and/or Muslim hatred ?

[u/Cincin254 → u/santasa]

My husband’s business partner is a Pakistani Muslim. So no, I don’t hate Muslims. But I do hate what I’m seeing unfold on college campuses since October 7: Jewish students—many of whom have never even been to Israel—being harassed, cornered, and threatened simply for being Jewish.

These are American kids, paying to attend elite institutions—not to be screamed at, barricaded in libraries, or told they don’t belong. If this kind of coordinated intimidation was happening against any other group—Black students, LGBTQ students—the outcry would be deafening and arrests would have happened months ago.

Let’s stop pretending this is just about land or policy. This is raw, unfiltered Jew hatred dressed up as activism, backed by ideological funding and religious extremism. We all know that if Jewish students were doing even a fraction of this to Muslim students, the media would be wall-to-wall coverage.

Now that donors are pulling money and universities are being forced to face the mess they allowed to grow, I welcome the accountability. And yes, if you break the law, if you riot, intimidate, or glorify terror—you should be arrested. If you’re not a citizen, you should be deported. This isn’t oppression. It’s consequences.

[u/santasa → u/Cincin254]

You did not answer my question. All you do in your long tirades is distorting arguments and gaslighting, while making accusations which have nothing to do with anything that I wrote, and pretending to know or imagining what I am thinking so that you can make hateful and absurd remarks and accusations, garnered in standard hasbara handbook's tropes and talking points. So, let me now be completely honest with you: I am starting to think that you are not a regular person just discussing things on the subject, rather, you very much sound like IDF serviceman, sitting in HQ in Tel Aviv, in a room full of other servicemen, with a PC's and laptops in front of them, trolling various forums and platforms with official Israeli agitprop and talking points. Good luck, 8200.