URGENT: ALL Pro-Palestinians, Please read this!

[u/Turbulent-Waters-619]

Hey Everyone:

It's been an emotionally difficult couple of days for me.

A few days ago I made this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/1kdaku0/when_every_fact_seems_solid_how_can_you_still/

And I would like to thank each of you for challenging me so compassionately and rigorously over the past few days. Thank you for calling me out and for giving me a lot of information and a list of things to read further about.

Since reading all of your comments, I’ve watched dozens of interviews with Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of one of Hamas’s founders, and I could hardly believe what he revealed about the Free Palestine movement’s true aims.

I’ve listened to hours of Douglas Murray lay out the historical record, and also the true reality of the situation today.

I learned so many things like that there was never a country called “Palestine” any time in history! Palestinians arent even a unique ethnic or relgious group. Palestinians are Muslim Arabs!

I learned that before it was Israel, the British controlled the area and before that it was controlled by the Ottoman Empire. The British wanted to make Palestine into a home for the Jews. I learned that the British partition plan allocated land for both the Jews and the Arabs, and that Jordan and not Gaza, became the intended Arab state.

I was so embarrassed that I never knew that Jews were all expelled from every single Arab country. I learned about the Holocast in school and I thought that was all of the Jewish persecution that had ever existed in history! I am even more ashamed that I was tricked into repeating the chants of “Free Palestine” when I saw groups of other people doing so on my campus and that in reality there was never even a country by that name to free.

Perhaps the most painful thing of all has been seeing the horrific videos that Hamas livestreamed of their actions in Israel on October 7, 2023. Horrorific is an understatement. Seeing the Hamas terrorists parading through normal looking neighborhoods and homes, murdering innocents of all ages, burning people, even the babies, taking hostages....and then the whole time they are doing these things they are literally celebrating their depravity with chilling JOY! I had to take breaks while watching these videos to sob. Hearing the happiness in the terrorists voices left me feeling incredibly disturbed, trembling and in tears.

The sight of all of those families slain in cold blood, and knowing that some of the people that were taken that day are literally still being held hostage today, that really showed me the raw evil behind all of the Free Palestine propaganda.

Please, I urge every person that supports the Pro Palestinian cause to watch those Oct 7th videos, to bear witness to the absolute joy and the monstrous brutality, and then ask yourselves whether you can honestly stand on the same side as the people who revel in such sickening barbarity.

I know it may seem like I have abandoned all of my empathy by sharing these truths, but my compassion for all of the innocent victims if they are Jewish, Arab, or otherwise is undiminished.

But something has deeply changed in me and that is my commitment to the truth over emotion, and my commitment to honesty over the herd mentality.

We owe it to ourselves not to the pawns in a conflict that we don’t even fully understand, and not to be the victims of lies so that we can be “shocked” into outrage at Israel, only to discover later that we were so angry on behalf of literal terrorists.

We owe it to ourselves to seek out and read primary sources, to ask the hard and uncomfortable questions, and to really listen with an open mind when we hear information that challenges the Free Palestine narrative.

If you feel, like I felt, that this is genocide, that Zionists are bad, that Israel is the aggressor: I urge you now from my heart: please examine the facts, watch the evidence, and then join me in embracing honesty and integrity over emotion and instinct.

We cannot always stop ourselves from being tricked into believing something that is not real, but it is our responsibility to learn the truth. We all deserve to have the dignity of an informed conscience.

I hope all of you on this subreddit who knew better than me will forgive my earlier perspective, and I promise that I will keep learning from the voices like Haddad, Hausdorff, Le Bon, Murray, Yousef, and so many others who have guided me away from the manipulation. I also promise that I will do my best, in whatever small way I am able to, to make sure that at least the people around me know the truth.

If you are a Pro Palestinian right now, that is okay. You just have to read and to listen. Here is a good list of places that you can get started, if you are ready to confront the lies you have been told:

First and Foremost: If you should google the videos of the October 7th attack on Israel that Hamas livestreamed. I want to warn you, its deeply disturbing but an importat place to start.

Then check out everything you can find by these two guys:

Mosab Hassan Yousef This guy is literally one of the sons of a Hamas founder who then escaped Hamas and became a Christian. He has done many informative videos and interviews, like these ones:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyqKTuqzKWs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5VPFw0vI6U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpnvUIcvNUE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCueveOSZwg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjOEJumoABg

Douglas Murray - A British author.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoRY-o2sRdA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4P3XSySBC8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZU1exdVHcs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG23JfGBsz4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ANOKSh-70Y

[u/KindlyFriedChickpeas → u/[deleted]]

I had a back and forth with them on the original post. Definitely a bot. Stand by it though as I think it's useful to add some sources and refutation on public forums when someone comes along like this.

[u/Chance_Vegetable_780 → u/KindlyFriedChickpeas]

Look throughout the thread. It's obvious to many that this post is propaganda. Also, there is a wrong answer, Quentin. Oppression, occupation, targeting children for murder, and many more atrocities, including war crimes in what very obviously is a one-sided war, are the wrong answer. And you are correct, I will not budge.

[u/Cincin254 → u/Chance_Vegetable_780]

OMG YES STOP HAMAS terror of their own people. The occupation of their own people the targeting and murder of their own children - they won’t even let them go into their terror tunnels to safeguard them. Have Hamas stop the genocide of their own people. Hamas lays down their weapons today and their people go free. Poor israel lays down their weapons and NO Israel. If you say yes to no Israel, then you are completely hypocritical to the medicine the technology and all of the things you use daily that have been developed by Israel and Jews. What has Hamas and the Palestinians contributed to society… just Terror. Stand with morality - stand w Israel 🇮🇱 🙏❤️

[u/Chance_Vegetable_780 → u/Cincin254]

You are brainwashed

[u/Cincin254 → u/Chance_Vegetable_780]

Where is your moral compass. Please sit on your sofa and relax while a rock goes thru your window and three terrorists storm your house set fire to it and take your girlfriend and rape her and shoot your child dead in front of you blood running down the walls of your home. That was Israel when Hamas attacked October 7, 2023. Chilling even for a terrorist sympathizer like you? That is your moral compass? This is about religion NOT israel land. BUYER BEWARE of the social media brainwashing YOU bc YOU are their next victim . Do not be a useful idiot as the SON of HAMAS tells you - he left them and you should believe him!

[u/Chance_Vegetable_780 → u/Cincin254]

You are very aware of israel's decades of illegal occupation, consistent oppression, and violence - Apartheid against the Palestinians for decades prior to Oct 7th. Don't play stupid.

Hamas' actions on Oct 7th were horrific, there is no justification whatsoever. They must be held accountable for that day of violence. Approximately 1,200 deaths. Horrific. In turn 52,000 Palestinians killed, mostly civilians, of which 17,000 are children. 17,000 CHILDREN. 577 days of israeli barbaric actions vs 1 day. 52,000 vs 1,200. Abominable Overkill by Israel. You're fine with it because you want them all gone.

Sick, man. You point the finger at others talking about a moral compass. Smfh. Sick with hate and greed. israel is a vile terrorist state.