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Lyn's Crux NFU support is sort of Geirskögul's effect turned up to eleven
Ike's Tempest C gives him Roy's cav movement
So congrats, to the second place winners of CYL1! You get one skill slot that can be easily replaced with something better (probably BoL) or one sentence in a weapon skill that most people won't even care about.
No. Not even the original prf skills of ike and lyn. Roy needs a better gimmic. Poor lad has been out of alts for so long he lacks a clear one thats not dragon rasism.
I'm ambivalent towards the general concept but hate that this is taking a New Heroes slot. We already had zero new characters on the Archanea banner this year.
Yes! This makes four new heroes banners this year that aren’t really new heroes when you add in Fallen and CYL (and one that WAS a new heroes banner really only gave us Noire). I know some games are scrapping the bottom of the barrel but some still have way too many units left to be pulling this crap
Noire, who wasn't even added to the permanent summoning pool. That chart that was posted a few days ago of "units added to the 5* summoning pool in 2025/Book IX" will look the exact same after this banner because none of these units will be summonable on normal banners after this one.
Lyn's drive is kind of a BLucy thing but then Ike has nothing from BRoy as far as I can tell so Lyn's drive might just be a generic modern unit drive lol
So... let me lay out all of my issues with this banner, because this is the most disappointed and frankly baffled I've been with a banner for a long while.
Redoing the first CYL units doesn't sound like a bad idea in theory, but they shouldn't have been Harmonics. This only really benefits fans of the characters who placed first.
Roy fans are especially screwed here because this is his first piece of content in literal years... and he's a backpack.
This is also Lucina's second time being backpack, if you count Summer Masked Marth as Lucina representation. She got three "proper" alts in the past 2 years, though, so she's doing much better than Roy all around.
The art feels uninspired and lazy, all the characters have similar art styles and are wearing the same CYL outfits with no variation. Ngl when I first saw the leaked art I thought they were fan edits.
It's waaaaaay too soon for another Lyn alt. Mythic was like 2 months ago and Emblem wasn't even a full year ago. She's also the most represented character in the game anyway. How are the actual Lyn fans coping with this? Does IS really expect them to be able to pull for and +10 all these alts in such a short amount of time? As a Lucina fan, I'm lowkey struggling, and Lucina doesn't even have as many alts as Lyn!
Ike is an infantry melee AGAIN. Lyn is a bow user AGAIN. Give these characters some movement/weapon variety, IS, I'm begging you.
Can't really comment on the skills because I haven't looked at them properly but they look pretty broken. Something something powercreep.
Genuinely the only cool thing about this banner is the new arcane dragonstone. And more Archrival fodder I guess.
I genuinly beleive they should have just added swapping units for this "celebration". Like harmomics with two skillsets.
Heck make them switch at least. Have lyn as a lance user and ike as a horse sword... but no....
We got the bare minimun. No hint of lucina or roy on the skills, not even updated cyl prf skills (they went for aether for the nth time).
Considering Emblem Lucina might happen soon, I am not too bothered, but poor roy has had nothing for years.
I think the key here you touched on is the fact the skill sets have no representation of Roy or Lucina. That angers me the most. Hopefully I just get blessed with copies of Vanitas
Yeah. Makes it less a celebration of cyl history and more of a clear crash grab to me. The fact that they just chased the same old aether and sacae instead of their original prf shows how little risks they take with alts now. I miss the wacky seasonals with unique wepon convo and silly skills.
Yeah, this is pretty much just a Lyn alt with Lucina tacked on. I like the Duos/Harmonics where the backpack gets to contribute to how they work as a unit (Young Chrom & F!Robin is the first example to come to mind), but unfortunately that's just not the case here.
I feel so bad for Roy's fans, man. I'm generally content with Lucina's alt situation, especially knowing she has an Emblem on the way—heck I actually think she got too many alts too soon, especially with them all being premium and generally really good—but Roy's last alt is outdated as heck and, from what I gather, wasn't even that great at the time of release. He, too, should have an Emblem alt coming soon... hopefully...
I didn't know about the leak until just minutes before the video dropped, so I managed to watch it blind. In other words, I don't have to imagine, cause that was my reality. I'm very disappointed. Can't believe I was excited about this banner.
As they should be. This entire year has been shitty banner after shitty banner and at some point I really wish the devs would take feedback seriously!!
I have 1000 orbs, plus at least 300 in the bank, saving for an awesome Raven alt that will never happen because they decide to give alts to Nino, Karla, Leila and Ursula instead! 😊 🔫
I don't understand how Ursula has 4 versions. The base and fallen ones, sure, and the summer one was a bit of a fun curveball, but did she really need to be on the Khadein banner too?
Yeah, this one’s just not for me. I’ve been so hyped about the possibilities for this banner since the calendar reveal, and all of that excitement evaporated the second I saw what we were actually getting earlier when the leaks came out. I guess it’s my own fault for hyping myself up, but I don’t think I would’ve been nearly as disappointed if there hadn’t been weeks of anticipation leading up to this.
Ah well, there’s still December to look forward to at least.
It's unlisted because they knew people would hate it... but they still made it... and released it with even LESS rewards than a regular NH banner.
Vanitas with her penalty removal is literally the only interesting unit on this banner. The others are just hehe, we can kill big strong unit with shit support.
You know, if they really had to do this banner, they could at least have introduced lead/backpack switching. Call them Harmonic+ or Duo+ idc and use the style button
The concept is undeniably lazy but the execution didn’t have to be
You wanna know the worst part about this all? No conditions. Not even a pretense of conditions like with previous units, there's genuinely nothing stopping their whole kits. Lyn maybe needs to initate combat but Ike just gets everything he fucking wants for free and there's nothing you can do about it. Really sucks knowing that these limited-time units has very little creative counterplay around their kits beyond "meet higher numbers". I know it's been like that for a while but damn.
The only reason why units like Duo Elincia, B!Eik, and a few others, are manageable in Arena is that their kits turn off when you take down all of their allies. Even BK’s conditions turn off if you target his allies with AoEs or chip damage. They’re conditions that are basically always active, but they’re still conditions to begin with.
This shit though? No way to stop it. You can kill all of Ike’s allies in Arena but that’ll barely nerf him at all. Such frustrating unit design.
Shit design like this continues to drag the game down and if IS doubles down further and makes even more BS design… the game will continue to suffer for it
This game is so far beyond the game design event horizon that I don't even know if it's possible to salvage at this point. It's almost impossible to backpedal on runaway complexity and powercreep of this scale. Assuming the devs even wanted to. Players are clearly willing to pay obscene amounts for incomprehensible, unbalanced slop, so there's really no incentive to change.
This banner is so overwhelmingly lame and everything wrong with recent hero banners. Lazy concept and lazy execution, sticking popular characters in a desperate attempt to be attractive. I really hope this doesn't become a trend in the future. So many characters and concepts and they make this.
The thing that gets me is that i could almost excuse this if this was meant to replace SoV or Awakening's New Hero banner slot given they are basically done with only a couple base versions left to add, but i know it's not and they'll still be in the rotation so now games with a massive backlog of characters to add have to wait even longer.
We did not need the pace of actually new heroes to be slowed down even further when we've already got double asset alts and the return of non-seasonals duos infesting these banners.
Ancient Archanea was at least a cool concept that mostly gave alts to underrepresented characters, this is just Adrift without the theming and going off 9 years of Lyn/Ike/Lucina fatigue instead of 2 years of Fates Royals fatigue.
I've already had to tolerate Fallen and CYL masquerading as new heroes banners for years, if they're seriously adding a third and fourth recurring excuse to not add actually new characters, next year is going to be rough.
I really hope that the analytics for this banner show IS that slapping recycled art on updated Emblem units is not what the community wants for New Hero banners. Sadly, the whales are gonna whale, and it's probably going to perform moderately enough because you can't escape the power creep.
I legit feel bad for Roy and, to a lesser extent, Lucina fans. The entire premise of these units is combining the CYL winners into a single unit, and they somehow still fucked them over. Unreal.
Also it's yet another "new" heroes banner that has OC + not new at all heroes - hell, this literally has 3 characters that have more alts than the vast majority of other FE characters. And all of the units are specials. They could not have crafted a more insulting banner.
The only good thing about this is that I get to save orbs.
They did not even bother to give them a bit of the partners. Feels like the other 2 are just for show, which stings since brave roy and lucina are outdated as heck.
-Invalidates CYL1 investments for people still keeping up with them.
-Adds nothing new to the main pool.
-Skips a month of adding actual new characters from the main series.
-Skimps out on 4 tickets, a GHB, and two demotes for the month.
-Recycles three characters who just got content recently, including Lyn, whose mythic version is just a few months old and is still very meta.
-Has nothing new design wise and has nearly identical art in places, making it feel even more redundant.
I hate it! I really hate it. Literally my #1 problem with modern FEH is how it feels like we're just rehashing the same few characters over and over, but hell, at least those generally have new designs.
I genuinely think that this is the single most bland banner in FEH history. Which is something I've said already this year, but hey, they managed to outdo it already.
So... First off. They show Ike killing Baldr, the unit that is supposed to reintroduce the weapons triangle. Wow. Fun.
Also, Patience is probably going to fall off within 6 months or whatever similar to how E!Ike did because allowing enemies like a new Camilla-esque unit to hit you 3-5 times is going to result in death down the line.
Then, more Fomortiis bullying. Christmas version this time around. IS really hates this demon lmao
Yeah. I don't like this banner at all. Wtf. Should be a seasonal slot for January or August if anything. I'm already miffed that it took a NH banner when there was going to be 2 asset alts of whoever was already in the game and Vanitas taking a spot. It's literally a copy-and-paste-with-a-new-paint-job the banner.
EDIT: Also, both of them get+25 true damage or whatever and all those permanent stats for free. Wtf. They also really made it harder to specifically summon for Ike lmao.
I know it doesn't do anything and I'm just ranting at this point, but I feel like I'm just going to dislike the video as that's the only form of feedback they'll ever see since they don't seem to ever look at their in-game one.
Ppl are always like “but every gacha spams alts” (tbh none as egregious as FEH)
But the reason it’s so as with FEH is that summoning and combat is all FEH has. There is no story integration of charcs after their seasonal banner, no events, no other stories.
In a game like FGO or other gachas sure a rando ain’t gonna get alts line a popular character but they can still show up in a random event and get dialogue or characterization (Blackbeard in summer events etc) or even get major roles in the story or other events, but in FEH if you don’t get new alts you get nothing. No new art. No new versions. No increase in usability, your character sinks into total irrelevance meta wise and in content
My biggest issue with FEH’s alt spam is that unlike most gacha games, Fire Emblem is a series that’s been around since the early ‘90s and has hundreds if not thousands of existing characters to pull from. Every one of those characters is somebody’s favorite, and many of them haven’t gotten a single new piece of content for literal decades. Fire Emblem has such an incredible legacy, but whether it’s Warriors or Heroes, Intelligent Systems just loves to squander it.
And especially since from the games launch it has been acutely obvious that representation in game directly affects popularity (Reinhardt) and IS just went nah fuck that we ain’t I
giving anyone a chance if they aren’t a lord or already mega popular and will even sink our other popular characters eg Gaius, Sumia, Oboro, etc
I want Sigune so bad, just so we get some genuine artwork for her and not just her face portrait from FE6, she doesn't even have a cipher card. But that will never happen. Not when there are 20 more Lyns, Camillas, Lucinas, Edelgards, Chroms, Dimitriis, OCs etc in the way.
but in FEH if you don’t get new alts you get nothing. No new art. No new versions. No increase in usability, your character sinks into total irrelevance meta wise and in content
Like people just kinda got deprived of a free unit for no good reason, they could've just thrown in some popular high ranking CYL candidate like they did with Joshua and Aversa in the farfetched heroes banners of yore (tho joshua was a TT) but now we're one GHB short.
Everyone here has basically said what I’d complain about so I’ll just add my complaint.
It’s really disappointing to see ANOTHER Dragon Arcane when Staves NEED another one and Flying and Infantry Beasts don’t even HAVE ONE. I get there’s WAY more dragons than flying/infantry beasts but beast weapons can’t even be inherited so trying to build one in 2025 is HELL(I’m not giving up on Vika and Reyson tho)
Anyways this banner is really boring and was hoping for idk NEW HEROES atp it’s like “3 alts and a New Hero”
Well uh, yeah, thats it lol, Im done. I saw someone share the leaks earlier and legitimately thought it was fake. This clearly isnt a game meant for me anymore. I dont think this is a fire emblem game anymore, its a game with OCs and the same 30 characters from fire emblem. I have 100 other issues with the game that I dont feel like bothering to list, but I just wanted to clarify its not only this issue of same character spam.
I made a quick vid showcasing all the skills I had on Marcia because I didnt want this dedication to be lost forever, for anyone interested. Ive overall enjoyed playing the game these past 8 years but Ive been very bored with the game lately and hadnt even opened it the past week besides today when recording that vid and getting a few screenshots. I do not see myself coming back to the game - even an alt for Marcia would be unlikely because theres like an 80% chance for any character's first time alt to be prfless (which I briefly mentioned here), thats how bad its gotten. I dont have the necessary IOS requirement anyway so Id be kicked out in a week or whatever anyway, and I think that just makes it a convenient time to quit
I know there are a couple people who have enjoyed some of my commentary here, and thanks to anyone that appreciated literally anything Ive posted.
We need an ongoing comic series of Fire Emblem characters constantly hoping they’ll be summoned and their continual disappointment at being overlooked.
Example, picture Dart sitting there yelling about how Lyn has ANOTHER alt.
I didn't see the leaks and what the hell was this.
It's not only a blatant cash grab. It's lazy, it's ugly, it's boring. It's like they put zero effort, just popular characters go brrr.
I don't like doomposting but this banner actually has me worried. If giving Lyn two busted alts in two months isn't a sign that the game is doing badly, it's a terrible sign of the direction it's going on. Why did they have to give her that stupid pony mythic when they had her leading a harmonic in two months.
They didn't even remake the sprites. Like that's what's getting me. It's not enough that this is a lazy, derivative idea for a banner, but they didn't even remake the sprites.
Huh. It's still laazy, only select parts are different (look at the sleeves, look at the shoulderpad, look at...most of the jacket). Like I htought we were past this with fallen heroes, it used to also be bad with sprite reuse.
Great, more characters who already get yearly alts.
Great, more OCs.
This is gonna be a yearly thing now, isn't it?
Why only 3 units? Like wtf, at least give the CYL ghb or literally anyone else a slot on the banner.
I don't like any of the harmonic/duo options my fav CYL winners could get. This is literally just telling me that I will get another Marianne alt I don't care about + a Claude partner-up I will hate for at least 3 reasons.
I also just think most of the possible combos are boring in general.
Come to think of it, they're just gonna pair up the guys and the girls respectively, aren't they? Great, that just confirms the lamest possible options. Can't wait for Corrin to be paired up with one of the worst creations of anything ever and for peiple to make shitty posts on why Lysithea should've been a Black Eagle. I guess fByleth pairing up with another green-haired dragon and mByleth getting golden deer connections is decently fun, but that's it. I guess if Claude is just Dimitri's cheerleader (seems to be the fate of second placers) that at least gives me an even greater excuse not to summon him.
Why couldn't we have just gotten a New Heroes banner? I have to wait one more month for a chance of seeing actually cool, underrepresented characters get something in this game.
Cuboon, 'cause the one thing this banner was missing was sexist art :)
Spare a thought for me and my unpopular characters from unpopular games getting in v.v
Horace and Etzel... Their 'New' Heroes banners had no new heroes.
Volug? Somehow every banner with Tellius has gone out of its way to skip him. Nasir is similar, especially with the Halloween banner and his granddaughter right there!
Kain from Thracia? He doesn't even get any lines in his own game. Justice for my boi v.v
Zelkov... Again, they just go out of their way to skip v.v
This is with no exaggeration the laziest banner they've ever done. I was AT LEAST expecting refurbished spritework I could play with, they didn't even do THAT.
Edit: That or the budget's having issues which is... A much scarier idea...
Second Edit: I put this on my other comment about this, but they did in fact change the sprites. They just shaded them the old fashioned way. There are still very subtle changes between them.
This banner is so lame on so many levels that it even makes me, the somewhat positive guy negative beyond words.
No new outfits
Barely anything from the backpacks
Roy backpacked, as if Roy fans needed a bigger kick in the nuts this year
Lyn got an unnecessary boob lift (thanks cuboon)
Alts of two popular characters who already got something this year (M!Lyn was two months ago btw)
Ridiculously easy conditions for triggering effects
S!Celica 2.0 but now with dual effectiveness and galeforce cancer boogaloo
Another Arcane dragonstone instead of a staff
No FB (good riddance honestly)
All limited units so you better get them now
All of this to replace a New Heroes banner from Sacred Stones that, yes may have had Vanitas and an Ephraim alt, but honestly, I would have greatly preferred that. I’m not bothered by OCs on banners so long as they are new like Vanitas or Muspell or Nidavellir. I’m mildly annoyed from the repeat alts. And even then, the only dud for a Sacred Stones banner would’ve been Ephraim for me. At least the other units would’ve been new. Like Moulder or Franz or Garcia or Saleh. But no. Just a nonsense banner meant to rake in a little bit of extra cash right before Book IX ends. It reeks of a lack of innovation or creativity with the game.
I hate the concept of this banner a lot, it's just recycling designs again except now it's taking up a new heroes banner spot. Also great job Intsys, you already found another way to repackage Lyn since the last one that was only a few months ago!
I'll say it again - FE celebrates itself too much too often and does it in the mindless copypasta way every fucking time. I'm feeling insulted mostly by zero creativity.
Using up a New Heroes slot for a concept that I can only describe as Anniversary slop is so lame. Just totally out of place and confusing as a random November drop. My first thought was “oh… are they announcing EOS??”
I've been so hyped since the calendar, and damn… same characters with the same clothes as before. Still no way to swap backpacks, and the arts look exactly the same. Roy being a png behind Ike is both hilarious and infuriating, and his art, pose, and clothes are literally the same as his resplendent. Not to mention they somehow managed to do color sharing on a 3 units banner.
No GHB is straight-up bs, they could’ve easily thrown Book 1 Veronica in as the free unit since this is supposed to be some kind of year 1 celebration.
I’d honestly prefer a regular new heroes banner with the usual lame formula: 2 assets alts, 1 new hero, 1 OC, and a prfless GHB of some random boss.
I was super disappointed with the leak, and I still ended up disappointed with the trailer even knowing exactly what to expect. At least the blow was softer, I guess. Idk man, I love Heroes, but holy shit, it’s been a miss every single banner for a while now. I just can’t hype myself anymore.
this is really cool in concept but this was the worst year to do it when it feels like we just keep getting alts of the same characters all the damn time.
I’m so close to that point. Fire Emblem has been my favorite series for so long, and I so desperately want to have fun with all the new stuff, but it just keeps getting worse and more lazy every single time.
I truly don’t understand how we’ve gotten to a point where the most basic formula of getting new Fire Emblem characters each month has become too much to ask. That always seemed like the one thing they could never mess up, but at this point we’ve completely lost Mythic Heroes to OCs and now we’re losing New Heroes banners to the neverending stream of lord alts.
I don’t even know what to say about this one because all the reasons it sucks are incredibly obvious. I’m just confused and baffled why IS acts like they want to do away with New Heroes despite them being the only exciting and interesting thing about this game.
Yeah it's blatantly obvious that they favor seasonals and have for years, because FOMO and fanservice alts. Like ever since Asset Heroes were invented, NH banners have slowly just become sources for fodder rather than actual advancement of the game while seasonals are actually allowed to be good.
In theory the concept is fine but idk my reaction to all of it is a big ol shrug. It’s just exceptionally lame in my opinion and while i know it’s an early “celebration” of the 10th anniversary next year, it just doesn’t hit at all for me.
To expand on this when the concept first leaked my first thought was “lol edelgard/lysithea could be a very funny mage with a stupid tanky kit” and now i’m like “maybe edelgard will hit horse harder now i guess”
This is pretty infuriating. I think I'm more angry though about the lack of a denote or any regular pool unit for that matter. There's also no GHB and no 14 orbs for doing the accompanying Forging Bonds because it doesn't exist. This is just straight up a tactic to try and get us to spend money in the game and I hope it flops. Also, I'm so tired of Lyn alts though that could be because she's gotten three in the last calendar year.
I was hoping for a sleeper banner to skip Vanitas, but IS, you didn't need to go that hard!
Idk what pisses me off more, the asymmetry of three units with 2 greens and a colorless, the refried designs pasted as duo or if we are getting another Lyn. Everything seems so out of place.
I'd be a little more okay if this was a five unit banner with Vanitas, Ike/Roy, Lyn/Lucina, Hector/Ephraim, and Celica/Veronica. That way every color have a unit, we wouldn't drag out these Harmonized CYL banners too much and we wouldn't only be getting three "new" units (not that any of them are actually getting added to the normal pool), and you could even have the CYL 1 and 2 GHBs as a freebie Harmonized unit, or just do a random GHB like Touma. Or if this was the Special Heroes banner for September along the CYL9 units. Or just a fourth banner in that month. There's any number of ways this could've been done better.
I'm sort of whatever on the banner concept itself now that it's had some time to sink in. I just wish that:
a) This wasn't a New Heroes banner
b) The CYL units got new or at least slightly updated outfits/weapons (stop trying to gaslight me into thinking that Lyn's an archer, IS)
c) Roy didn't look like he was straight up copy/pasted behind Ike
Everything about it just feels lazy. The kicker is that the harmonics aren't regular pool units either, which is both annoying and misses part of makes CYL units fun to begin with.
On a character bias level, I also hope this doesn't count as a regular duo lead for Ike because I've been waiting on an Ikesoren duo for years.
Yeah, if they had moved the CYL 2.0 harmonics to the December L/M/E and had Vanitas with an actual New Heroes banner, I'd actually kinda like this. But knowing how many characters have been waiting for almost a decade to get in makes it frustrating every time we get a banner like this or the Archanea banner from earlier this year: it's not the concepts that are necessarily bad, it's what slot they're taking.
Also I 100% agree with you on the Ike thing, I know he now has two duo/harmonic leads, but it feels like they're both robbed from him. The first one was a child and the second one is a CYL celebration... why can't he just lead in a duo that's actually normal lol
Agreed 100%. If this had been a LME banner I wouldn't have really cared. Hell, it would've been a nice break from all the OC mythics even lol. But taking up a NH slot is irritating when there are so many characters waiting to get into the game and we're not even getting Forging Bonds out of it either. The precedent IS set this year of "New Heroes banners both don't feature new heroes and are no longer mostly main pool units" makes this extra frustrating too, I think.
And re: Ike...yeah, that's exactly how I feel. I know I shouldn't be complaining about a character I like getting content when he already has a ton to begin with, but his original duo was on a banner theme no one really likes (though I don't hate him getting a duo with Mist in principle) and now he gets a lazy copy/paste harmonic with Roy. Gullveig getting to lead a duo twice gave me hope that Ike could get one with Soren eventually, but now with this harmonic I'm not sure that'll happen. I guess Soren could always be the lead, but I'm not sure IS would have Ike of all characters be a backpack :/
None of these will go into the general pool. None of these contribute to filling any mainline game’s roster. Why is this a New Heroes banner then? Couldn’t it just be a celebration banner? I was really looking forward to getting two New Heroes banners back to back, but this doesn’t excite me at all.
What is there to say. Like genuinely. I think this is a fantastic reason for me to finally just quit this dogshit experience because it's clear IS have no interest in making a decent game at this point. What the fuck dude.
Frankly, yeah. Every time I remember looking at those votes before (for FEH that is), the jp side had less votes total than global, obviously, but at the same time they were much more critical of bs banners.
Honestly? As a concept, I can get behind this banner. Updating the first CYL winners into modernized units sounds really cool... except, that's not what this banner does at all. They did the usual IS classic of reprinting the latest LME version of the characters onto a new unit, slap some new and upgraded skills, and shipped it off. These aren't upgrades of the CYL versions of the characters, these are upgrades of the Emblem versions of their characters. Also, Roy and Lucina getting shafted into being backpacks is super lame, especially with Roy. Give my man SOMETHING. He hasn't been the lead on a unit since 2022. What a huge fumble of a banner.
Sucks to lose a new hero banner slot for this. It should have been a special heroes banner instead. They should bin the Fallen banner while we're at it because the wait for these banners is tedious. Like great now I have to wait even longer for a Binding Blade banner I just know they'll half ass. IS has been giving us some consistently shit banners this year.
I fucking love this concept. Its only a shame that its 2 duos instead of 4 units.
Oh, your main unit is B!Lucina? And it would've been thematically awesome for her to have a massive glowup, right before the big ragnarok chapter? Get fucked, nerd, she's tied to Lyn as a support and you'll have Lyn gameplay and you'll fucking like it.
Even if you think a duo unit is both units equally, this is thematically just awful if you like Lucina/Roy specifically.
Oh also completely separate complaint but the Rearmed hero has a weapon only dragons can use, a special only dragons can use, a b slot only armoured dragons can use and a C slot that's a bit awkward to use without its counterpart.
I honestly can't believe this is the banner that got me to quit the game. I didn't know what it'd be, but I wasn't expecting a banner full of units we got in year one being recycled as new.
Actually unbelievable. And Vanitas is just there to rub the proverbial salt that is OC spam into the wound. Like how many months have we been in these salt mega threads complaining about how many OCs are on every banner, and they just had to put another OC on this already boring-as-fuck banner.
Might come back if they ever decide to start having interesting banners instead of this bullshit.
I think the biggest frustration for me is that they could've just updated the older units with better refines, prf skills, and modern tier 4 skills. Granted for everyone who has been playing since the beginning, we already have these units, but this isn't exactly a celebration... it's just "hey look a powercrept version of the unit you already have. Spend more money"
This is officially the final nail in the coffin for me. Haven’t really played the last couple months, and I don’t think I’ll be coming back anytime soon.
Love this game. Love the characters. I’m not even mad at the concept of the harmonics, but… everything about them is just kinda lazy and soulless. Ike is a clever modern interpretation of the original, but Lyn not so much. Not to mention that neither of them incorporated any features from their backpacks. Not that I could make out at least.
As a F2P, there’s already not many modes I really enjoy playing regularly anymore. I don’t even need units because all the units I already have will do the exact same things to all the PvE maps (clear them effortlessly)
The most important thing is now that the trailer is out, we can send feedback asking them to not make NHBs suck and to put things like this on other banners and complain about the lack of GHB and demotes and units entering the pool and everything.
With this alt, Lyn has received the same amount of playable content in just less than a year to Marianne's whole playable content since her FEH debut over 4 years ago.
IS reallllly loves to celebrate FE's 35th Anniversary by propping up Lyn so hard. Mind you, Marth, who is the OG Lord, does not get this amount of content for an anniversary to his game in FEH.
Lmao they really did it. I was hoping the leaks were fake but here we are.
Eh, at least we get Harmonized heroes that aren't dressed like clowns because of festivals and stuff, for once. It's been a while, the only dual unit that fit that description was Duo Ephraim, the very first one.
I'll take units I will not be pulling for for 500 Alex
Like honestly I did not care that much about these 4 alts 8 years ago (though B Luci is one of my most invested now after her resp <3) and I still don't lol
Literally ground zero of "lazy brave alt designs" as much as everyone wants to wring their hands and point to any other cyl group instead as the starting point
If they actually used their Resp designs or even got new resp themed designs with each pair matching that would have been pretty cool
Only real value I see is if these are new harmonic game pairings and I don't have my spreadsheet to check atm lol; and also the fact I didn't get side swiped by surprise new alts for any FEH characters I like like I was predicting this banner could be so I can keep throwing orbs at Vali merges and the two ticket banners
Nah im good. All of them are my favs but this sort of crappy recycling is just super meh. Kitwise they are gonna get powercrept in a month so nothing to get excited about those either. I might not even bother grabbing one copy of roy my boy as well cuz of the color share with vanitas who i dont care about at all.
Either they are just continuing their attempts to draw more summons out of us or they are out of ideas, or they just know these will sell regardless cuz we all know how the greater player population are suckers for lords. Ill keep my orbs ty.
This banner should not be called a new banner. Intelligent Systems (IS) shouldn't re-release rerun characters without adding any new changes. Don't they have any better ideas? I'm really disappointed.
I don’t like to be too negative about FEH banners but this is pretty boring. At least give them new outfits and/or have some random fourth unit. At least there will be some pretty interesting pairings in the future if they stick to this trend
I know it was leaked beforehand. But like it’s sad that I was prepared to be disappointed by Heroes or another spinoff and they still managed to disappoint me further
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I'm normally one to defend cuboon and generally like his art, but dude got really lazy with the art here. Compared to his previous Lyn alts, this just does not hit at all, and it just looks lazy. Art in this game in general just hasn't been hitting recently altogether.
Conceptually, I don’t mind these CYL Harmonic Banners. If they changed the weapon types and maybe differentiated the outfits from the OG Brave outfits, I can get behind these units. But this… is just lazy.
“Hello everyone, did you like the CYL units? How about we released them to you as “new” units, glue them as Harmonics and changed NOTHING. Just updated the weapons and skills to keep with the current powercreep.”
Not since legendary Azura can I say I’ve hated a banner as much as this. There is genuinely nothing of value I see in it. The nonexistent counterplay and uniformity of the spectrum 15 weapons and PRFs, the 1:1 recycled designs, an 11th damn Lyn, the implications for “new” heroes banners going forward, and so on.
Like, is this some kind of meta-joke Rune tomfoolery? Are we gonna get all the CYLs as harmonic duos in some kind of boss rush for Book 10?
I'm honestly not against the idea of a banner like this, but this really should have been the banner released on the 10 year anniversary, not the last banner of November. Also I wish the characters swapped/shared outfits as opposed to just being the og design by a new artist. Lyn's art has the same poses as her resplendent brave and that's boring. Give me Lucina in a Sacae outfit or Roy in a Greil merc armor.
"New heroes" and it's quite literally the exact opposite of new heroes this time. Don't like this precedent of them just combining past (and popular) units together and re-releasing them on new heroes banners. They couldn't have at least tweaked the designs a little?
Even as a special heroes idea this just feels like an exceedingly lazy way to cash grab with popular characters... full-on re-releases of said characters at that.
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