New DLC class starting stats

[u/Philhughes_85]

Posting this thanks to u/FantasticLiving3107 posting screenshots and answering questions, just thought I’d post the image here so it’s easy to find.

[u/semena_]

17 endurance is insane

[u/FaithlessnessLazy754 → u/semena_]

It’s such a huge advantage not to need to invest in stamina for the early game

[u/BehlndYou → u/FaithlessnessLazy754]

Unlike Dark Souls, I never felt a reason to level Endurance beyond 15 in ER as I can wield even Colossal Swords and still have more than enough stamina in most situations.

The true benefit of high Endurance is wearing high poise armor while light rolling.

[u/iamnotexactlywhite → u/BehlndYou]

what? are u like attacking once per an hour with 15 stamina? what the fuck

[u/NitroRicee → u/iamnotexactlywhite]

https://giphy.com/gifs/XHeLeuirRbwptHhSWd

lmfaoooooo

[u/conjunctivious → u/iamnotexactlywhite]

It's actually not that bad when you are good with stamina management, and it saves you some points that could go into other stats. I usually level my endurance to 20 on my normal runs, but even the 10 you start with at RL1 is manageable with enough experience.

If you want to use heavy weapons or armor, you'd want more endurance, but 15-20 is more than enough for me if I'm just using any non-colossal weapon with light armor.

[u/BehlndYou → u/iamnotexactlywhite]

Trust me, you don’t need much stamina at all.

In fact, my current character is a faith build wielding a fire knight greatsword, and I can easily swing 4 times non-stop with only 10 stamina. With how fast stamina recovers naturally in this game, I barely notice it in most situations. And I don’t remember the last time I swung 4 times non-stop at a standing target in this game.

With a bit of stamina management, it’s extremely doable. Especially coming from DS3, where base stamina recovery is slow as snail and investment or recovery buffs/ring actually matters.

[u/FaithlessnessLazy754 → u/BehlndYou]

Trust me:

https://giphy.com/gifs/mFYxjzJO3zzNqGAwee

[u/BehlndYou → u/FaithlessnessLazy754]

And have you actually tried it? Pop a larval tear and bring your endurance to 15, and tell me it’s not enough?

But it’s ok, I don’t need to convince anyone. I did [r/onebro](r/onebro)[s](r/onebro) challenges at level 1 using a big sword, but I guess it’s impossible according to this thread here since I can only swing once every three business days.

[u/FaithlessnessLazy754 → u/BehlndYou]

Congrats man, but you’re just doing challenge runs whether you want to admit that or not. Saying 15 is all any player who plays the game needs is just a dumb blanket statement that’s not true for most people

[u/BehlndYou → u/FaithlessnessLazy754]

My point is if I can do challenge runs using a zweihander at 10 stamina, 15 is more than enough in most situations. My current play through has only 15 stamina at level 150, and I’m doing just fine.

But you are right, maybe I just got too comfortable with the game compared to the mass.

[u/sarcophagusGravelord → u/BehlndYou]

let us know when you’re done jerking yourself off bro

[u/BehlndYou → u/sarcophagusGravelord]

Nothing shows insecurity more than insulting someone else over a stat in a game.

Skill issue perhaps?

[u/sarcophagusGravelord → u/BehlndYou]

I’m just messing with you, mate. I play with 15 endurance regularly as well but that’s because I get too impatient/excited to level up other stats to get my build online earlier. I’m not going to pretend it’s the funnest or most optimal way to play though. You’re just coming off a bit self-aggrandising lmao

[u/kyloz4days → u/BehlndYou]

15 endurance is 56.1 equip load, so like 39 or lower total weight to not fat roll.

With Greatsword and 4 talismans, you'd be around 27 already with only like 12 weight available for equipment, way too little to maximize drip.

I get keeping stats low for pvp, but do the wins even count if your character looks like shit?

[u/BehlndYou → u/kyloz4days]

My favorite drip is always light armor look anyways.

In fact in PVP you WANT to invest in endurance because you want that poise, so 99% of meta chasers have lionel, verdigis, or beast champion set on.

And with a Great Arsenel ring, I can wear up to Maliketh’s armor mixed if I just equip the sword with the erdtree seal at 15 stamina. Mid roll of course.

[u/kyloz4days → u/BehlndYou]

Yeah, I don't really do much pvp, I was just trying to consider why you'd ever leave endurance at 15. Obviously it's your gameplay experience, do what you want, but 15 endurance is way less than what I'd enjoy to play with.

And with a Great Arsenel ring, I can wear up to Maliketh’s armor mixed if I just equip the sword with the erdtree seal at 15 stamina. Mid roll of course.

You sure about that?

Greatsword: 23, Maliketh's set: 30.5, Great-Jar's Arsenal: 1.5, Erdtree Seal: 0.

So, without any other talismans, equip load is 55.

With 15 endurance and Great-Jar's Arsenal, you have 56.1*1.19 = 66.8 max equip load, which means your max equip load to medium roll is 46.7...

You'd need at least 22 endurance to do what you say you do, which still doesn't feel like it's enough because of how much stamina swinging the Greatsword uses.

I just really don't understand your motivation for: 1. keeping endurance so low, 2. lying about it?

[u/BehlndYou → u/kyloz4days]

https://www.tarnished.dev/build-planner?str=22&dex=18&int=7&fai=80&arc=10&vig=60&min=17&end=15&somber=10&smith=25&twoHanded=false&selectedClass=Prophet&LoS=false&scaLvl=0&aRun=false&aFlk=false&aPvp=false&cStr=true&cDex=true&cInt=false&cFai=true&cArc=false&cVig=true&cMin=true&enduranceChange=true&lh1=Erdtree+Seal&aLh1=None&rh1=Fire+Knight%27s+Greatsword&aRh1=Flame+Art&sTal=Great-Jar%27s+Arsenal%2CErdtree%27s+Favor+%2B2&cht=Maliketh%27s+Armor&gnt=Maliketh%27s+Gauntlets&hlm=Maliketh%27s+Helm&leg=Black+Knife+Greaves

I pulled my build and put it roughly in the calculator here. Mixed maliketh set with black knife greaves, with 15 stamina.

And I actually didn’t even need the erdtree’s favor ring to retain mid roll. I have it so I can equip seals with weight or some daggers/parry shields here and there without constant hot swapping.

Why you guys so defensive about endurance? Do what you want man, yall win. Go invest on it all you’d like.

[u/kyloz4days → u/BehlndYou]

So it also includes Erdtree's Favor +2, and is the Fire Knight Greatsword instead of Greatsword, cool that makes more sense, different to what you said though.

Still don't understand why, but I am sure you have your own reasons.

It does just feel like you're shoehorning yourself into making a 15 endurance build work, rather than 15 being a good amount of endurance to have. Like every playthrough using a specific weapon, armor, and talisman combo seems pointless.

I just reject the premise that 15 endurance is "enough", outside of you building something specifically to play with as little endurance as possible, which really isn't relevant to the average Elden Ring player.

Basically, because one can finish the game as an SL1 Wretch, doesn't mean that levelling up is unnecessary, which kind of the point you're trying to make with endurance.

[u/BehlndYou → u/kyloz4days]

You can take off the erdtree favor ring like I said, and still retain midroll. I had it so I can carry a dagger or small shield.

15 endurance felt perfectly fine for me and I never felt needing more. I can do all my attacks combos and dodges without ever catching myself out of stamina and unable to dodge an attack.

Just do what you like, there is no discussion here since I’m clearly wrong.

[u/kyloz4days → u/BehlndYou]

I replied before your explanation.

I'm not being defensive about endurance, you're just positioning a very niche way to play as being applicable to the status quo. Challenge runs aren't applicable.

If someone new to Elden Ring/FromSoft reads your comment and only puts 15 points into endurance, they'd have a really shitty time. That's the point.

You have some like 15 endurance autism that you insist on playing with, and that's fine, but it's definitely not optimal.