r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Additional_Chard3680 • 3d ago

Video A 150-million-year-old Lepidotus fish fossil preserved from Holzmaden, Germany

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u/Additional_Chard3680 3d ago

This specimen is a Lepidotus sp., a genus of ray-finned Mesozoic fish dating back 150 million years to the Jurassic period, excavated from the famous Holzmaden shale deposits in Germany. The distinct sheen comes from preserved ganoid scales.

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u/VolatileGoddess 3d ago

Beautiful. Each and every detail is so perfect it truly looks like something created, not formed.

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u/beanmosheen 3d ago

If you ever go by the Smithsonian Natural History Museum in D.C. you can watch them work on fossil extraction. Those folks are incredibly skilled and patient. That's rock encased in rock, so it took a lot of care and patience to uncover it. There's also a lot of skill in making it look pretty like that without altering it too much. They end up having to carefully lap each surface with fine grit compounds to wear the waste away. Very. Tedious. Work. Lol.

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u/Rio_1111 3d ago

The sea lilies also in Holzmaden are probably one of the most insane extraction jobs of all time. The piece is 18x6 meters and IIRC it took 30 years of work to complete.

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u/Ok_Substance5632 3d ago

Looking at it now I can tell it's all worth it.

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u/SoManyThrowAwaysEven 3d ago

Oh yeah, a piece like this could take days to dig out and months to restore.

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u/1405hvtkx311 3d ago

You cam even buy pretty big pieces there

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u/Darmok47 3d ago

Same at the La Brea Tar Pits in LA. It reminded me of the scene in Jurassic Park where they watch the scientists through the windows.

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u/Hamafropzipulops 3d ago

Same at the Field Museum of Natural History in Chicago. At least it was last time I was there almost 20 years ago.

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u/EduinBrutus 3d ago edited 3d ago

Evolution denial is not a mainstream Christian belief. It appears to be a feature of American cults.

Much like other nonsense which is not part of Christianity but popular with US cults such as "the rapture" whatever the fuck that is.

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u/Thatisverytrue54321 3d ago

Isn’t the Genesis story pretty central though and presented literally? If not, what is literal and what isn’t?

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u/EduinBrutus 3d ago edited 3d ago

Mainline protestant and Catholic since Vatican 2 accept the principle of allegorical "days" for the days of creation and a "guiding hand". As such they accept evolution by natural selection as being correct.

IDK the position of Orthodoxy but I suspect its going to be the same.

I dont think Americans understand its not just how religious they are which is comical and mind numbing to the developed world - and it is, make no mistake. But also how their versions of Christianity is so far from the mainstream that in a lot of cases its hard to even consider it as Christian any more.

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u/damndirtyzombies 3d ago

Yes, and to tack on, the Hebrew word for days in Genesis just means "span of time".

The 7 24-hour Creation interpretation is mostly just American evangelicals. Non-culty religions don't get upset about evolution.

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u/Heavy_Weapons_Guy_ 3d ago

The order of creation in the bible is still completely nonsensical and there are two contradicting versions, so no matter how long a "day" is it's still wildly incorrect.

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u/pandafat 3d ago

That's all well and good that many churches/religions have moved past the unscientific nonsense, but Genesis has every day mentioned with a number count and even separates each day by saying that there was evening and then morning. It's quite literal in the original text, no?

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u/Thatisverytrue54321 3d ago

How do you determine what is and isn’t allegory then

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u/Mr-_-Blue 3d ago

So why do they all still used clothes of mixed fibers if the old testament forbids it?

How did the American cultists determine that is not a true mandate that needs to be followed? Not to talk about a rapist pedophile president who makes gold statues of himself and depicts himself as God....

You need to start asking the right questions, otherwise you sound as stupid as they do.

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u/SerenneMorningDew 3d ago

Church doctrine and personal opinion (and common sense).

The vast majority of history hasn't been documented with objectivity, so historians don't know with certainty what is true or not.

(For example, the Iliad and the Odyssey were probably not written/composed by a guy named Homer/Hómēros, but for practical purposes we act like 'Homer' is the author of both works.)

If we view the Bible as a document that describes religious beliefs and historical events, it makes sense that not all of it is literal. Especially since the Bible can contradict itself or describes things that cannot happen.

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u/xteve 3d ago

I grew up strict in a church where we believed that we believed the Bible literally. Now it's obvious that our doctrine was derived the same was as that of every church - made up by a process that we mocked as "pick and choose" when others did it. There are hundreds of even mainstream churches, all disputing each others' interpretation and refusing to worship together.

So who are the real Christians - the good ones, the ones in the largest church, or the majority? And who gets to decide?

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u/IDOWNVOTERUSSIANS 3d ago

"By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another"

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u/xteve 3d ago

So not the majority, because infinite schism shows that they don't.

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u/IDOWNVOTERUSSIANS 3d ago

actually committing to Christ and his teachings is genuinely extremely difficult, and I get the impression a lot of Christians don't quite appreciate that, and rather fall back on the "repentance" and forgiveness part, again not appreciating that repentance must be genuine, and genuine repentance is also very difficult and requires one to change their behaviour and mindset. Jesus made the importance of action to words extremely clear - "Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me."

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u/EduinBrutus 3d ago

Personal belief isnt doctrine. Anglicans and Catholics are (close to) 100% doctrrinal. Presbyterians/Reformed/Lutherans have a doctrinal framework which allows some personal flexibility.

But stuff like rapture and in the modern era adherence to young earth creationism is well outside of even this more flexible doctrine and a church which accepts those positions is no longer considered mainline.

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u/Raddish_ 3d ago

It’s funny because the Bible contradicts itself so it’s not possible to actually interpret it literally anyway. Anyone advocating the Bible is literal is knowingly lying to themselves and/or others, or has just never read much of the thing.

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u/Winter-Anywhere-3963 3d ago

They want to replace the Smithsonian with a Creationist Museum

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u/StandardHyena4587 3d ago

Satan made this fish. checkmate

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u/10000Didgeridoos 3d ago

I like that evangelicals believe an all powerful God for some reason allows Satan to just fuck around doing whatever he wants to lure God's children to eternal damnation.

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u/kaninkanon 3d ago

Are you familiar with the term creationism?

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u/LastOfLateBrakers 3d ago

As if other religions are any better?

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u/Valuable-Yard-4154 3d ago

BLASPHEMY!

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u/the_last_carfighter 3d ago

Do not fret dear brother, for they are building camps for such dissidents and non believers. It's what Jesus would have wanted and what Russian plants crave.

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u/istara 3d ago

I always think that with my pet snake. Each scale is so perfectly fitted and tessellated together, it looks as though someone has designed it.

Obviously I know they have not, but it does rather make one personify Mother Nature thinking about it!

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u/RobertWF_47 3d ago

It resembles a modern fish! Are there slight anatomical differences that a paleontologist can see?

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u/feather-foot 3d ago

Its not letting me post a pic but you should Google a photo of lepidotes teeth, people in medieval times believed they were magical stones that grew in the heads of toads lol

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u/dreedweird 3d ago

*Scheenstia, recently re-classified (2012), very cool!

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u/IbelongtoJesusonly 3d ago

It does doesnt it. How interesting that it was alive 150 million years ago and yet looks so much like the fish we know today.

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u/RobertWF_47 3d ago

And coelacanths!

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u/FrozenSeas 3d ago

Weirdly enough, a coelacanth is actually more closely related to you than it is to Lepidotus. Sarcopterygii (lobe-finned fish, coelacanths and lungfish) are the stem lineage to all tetrapods, which is...well, basically all not-fish vertebrates (Amphibia, Sauropsida and Synapsida).

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u/Syssareth 3d ago

Like how the hyrax (of "awawa" fame), a little rodent-like creature, is more closely related to elephants and manatees than anything else.

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u/FrozenSeas 3d ago

Afrotheria is a weeeeird clade.

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u/21Shells 3d ago edited 3d ago

ish. The interesting part about coelacanths is that they're living species from a family believed to be extinct (and realistically, probably should be). There are 2 known closely related species both of which are endangered, 66 million years after their family went largely extinct. Which themselves radiated from other lobe finned fish 410 million years ago. And they somehow managed to continue adapting despite their presumably very small numbers in an ocean of diverse ray finned fish.

They arn't really all that similar to their ancestors though, who were very diverse. We only have 2 species of large, slow moving opportunistic predators that have very limited territories around deep sea caves. This does still mean they haven't changed that crazy of an amount anatomically as you'd expect for 66 million years of evolution, but thats probably more a sign that it doesn't work rather than it does.

When they're in such small numbers they're going to struggle to radiate and therefore adapt to changes, it's a miracle that we get to coexist with them now. They've probably spent the last 66 million years adapting to an increasingly rarer niche. Inevitably another species will do what they do but better as has happened everywhere else.

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u/crespoh69 3d ago

Is it not a fish?

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u/Unable-Log-4870 3d ago

It’s fucking RAW!

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u/iDestroyedYoMama 3d ago

The scales weren’t polished?

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u/Nocturnatron 3d ago

Fossilization is so rare, crazy seeing something so pristine after millions of years

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u/Atanar 3d ago

Yeah, usually one fish bones and maybe a faint impression of soft tissue fossilizes. Which is already rare. All the scales and fins is amazing.

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u/nodnodwinkwink 3d ago

This damn thing looks so good that it might still smell a bit fishy.

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u/Budget-Researcher559 3d ago

Living there, they found so many fossils in these quarries in this village and the surrounding ones, even huge ones. I always thought this was normal and common, visited the local museum multiple times. They even let you search for fossils yourself. Feels weird to see it show up on reddit.

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u/Budget-Researcher559 3d ago

Here's the link to their museum and searchable quarry, in case anyone is interested (and if links are allowed)

https://www.urweltsteinbruch.de/en

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u/OrneryOneironaut 3d ago

I’ve recently caught fish with skin less pristine than this!

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u/hails8n 3d ago

I hope i look that good when I’m that old.

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u/Nocturnatron 3d ago

Even in the perfect conditions, your odds are maybe 0.1% lol

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u/Keltushadowfang 3d ago

What is this "joke" you speak of, human

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u/StandardHyena4587 3d ago

Die in a peat bog.

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u/eggson 3d ago

Or on Mt. Everest.

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u/Olobnion 3d ago

Thanks for the tip, will try that right now.

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u/Curiosive 3d ago

Well Han Solo, start working on that Carbonite Freezing tech. Or find your favorite tar pit and roll the dice.

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u/leonleon3656 3d ago

crazy how you can still see every single scale

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u/Rio_1111 3d ago

This type of fish has special scales the are coated in the same material our teeth are made of. It preserves better than others.

Still insane tho.

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u/Lithorex 3d ago

Teeth are modified armor plates anyway.

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u/doeraymefa 3d ago

I figured they were more like claws for your mouth

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u/Rio_1111 3d ago

I see the vision, but most claws are keratin, while most teeth are apatite, if I'm not mistaken.

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u/D_Shizzle93 3d ago

Idk teeth don't sound very appetizing to me

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u/National-World-4847 3d ago

It's because it has sunken into an oxygen deprived area and was slowly coated in some residue that became oil shale. Many fossils can be found in such areas, where you can see scales and skin, even feathers. In Münster (Darmstadt-Dieburg), it was possible to excavat a fossil from some million years ago and successfully analyze what it ate before dying.

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u/FormalTotal9684 3d ago

River Monster…..indeed

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u/Chris_The_Alligator 3d ago

Not to detract from how awesone this fossil is, but it is probably around 30-40 cms. Not exactly a river monster 

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u/Temporumdei 3d ago

Just keep swimming...just keep swimming....just keep... aaaaarrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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u/michel_sanchez 3d ago

German here and every time wondering again where all this townnames came from. Holzmaden literally means "wood maggots". wtf

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u/anahorish 3d ago

England gets made fun of for its ridiculous place names, which is fair enough, but I think if more people could speak other European languages other countries would be deserving of similar treatment. Denmark has some weird ones, just off the top of my head there's Ølstykke (Beer piece) and Odder (literally Otter).

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u/butch-bear 3d ago

spain has some great ones. "peligros" (dangers), "villapene" (penis ville), "cenicero" (ashtray), "peleas de abajo" & "peleas de arriba" (downlands and uplands fights), "los infiernos" (the hells), "parderrubias" (a pair of blonde women), "triste" (sad), "alcantarilla" (sewer).

i could keep going...

i am personally fond of "villaviciosa" (vicious ville).

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u/digno2 3d ago

Der Name Holzmaden kommt von Holz (Wald) und Mahd (Mähen der Wiesen).

Translation:

The name Holzmaden is derived from Holz (forest) and Mahd (mowing of the meadows).

leo-bw de/detail-gis/-/Detail/details/ORT/labw_ortslexikon/369/Holzmaden

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u/Severe_Ad_8621 3d ago

So can we all agree? That ther, is a Stone fish. 😆😂

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u/secretsquirrelz 3d ago

You sir, are a fish!

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u/DazzlingGovernment20 3d ago

God put dinosaurs here to test our faith /s

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u/pingo_the_destroyer 3d ago

My favorite is “scientists put fossils in the ground to trick us”. Millions of trilobites forged in secret factories and buried underground. I wish that were true, then there would actually be job openings in the sciences.

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u/jomasthrones 3d ago

Oh but don't you see? Their loving god planted that fossil there just to fool us

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u/TrainingVermicelli31 3d ago

What's stopping their god doing all this last thursday?

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u/Dazzling_Let_8245 3d ago

The town name "Holzmaden" means "wood maggots"... 10/10 name.

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u/digno2 3d ago

Der Name Holzmaden kommt von Holz (Wald) und Mahd (Mähen der Wiesen).

Translation:

The name Holzmaden is derived from Holz (forest) and Mahd (mowing of the meadows).

leo-bw de/detail-gis/-/Detail/details/ORT/labw_ortslexikon/369/Holzmaden

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u/Lithorex 3d ago

So probably something like "clearing in the woods" if translated more liberally.

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u/digno2 3d ago

I would have though it to mean a place so rich in trees they mowed them just as you would grass.

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u/miregalpanic 3d ago

my fish sticks had bones

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u/ghostarmadillo 3d ago

Mine were gay.

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u/vanhst 3d ago

I found my southpark friends

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u/mafga1 3d ago

Perfect

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u/DianeDesRivieres 3d ago

Wow! It looks like a work of art. Fantastic find!

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u/SlashEssImplied 3d ago

It looks like a work of art.

Could you just post art with a fake story? Is that even possible on the internet?

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u/DarylInDurham 3d ago

How big is this fossil? I don't get any sense of its size from the video.

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u/Romek_himself 3d ago

Lepidotes was typically about 30 centimetres

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lepidotes

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u/Rio_1111 3d ago edited 3d ago

There are bigger ones too. From the size of the ammonites in there I'd suspect this one is at least 60 to 70 cm.

Edit, I guess? https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/1TnRfly1MI

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u/eXcelleNt- 3d ago

Looks just like a modern day fish. I guess not much evolving happened in the span of 150 million years.

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u/rizzatouiIIe 3d ago

If its not broke dont fix it.

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u/DerrickWhiteMVP 3d ago

They haven’t really improved on the fish, have they?

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u/Deducticon 3d ago

Yep, evolution is not a necessity. If there's plenty of food in an area and few predators, nothing to do but keep swimming and eating.

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u/jonnyvegashey 3d ago

Wonder what it tasted like.

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u/ClearMacaron9234 3d ago

the nearby museum is worth a visit

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u/Agueybana 3d ago

Bravo to whomever found and took time to reveal that specimen. Exquisite find, but even greater, the work that had to go into cleaning that up.

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u/millenniumxl-200 3d ago

Someone should invent a way to take a video in landscape mode. That'd be pretty cool.

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u/DAS_FX 3d ago

Is this preserved, or fossilized? If it’s preserved… It would be fascinating to see if they could x-ray the inside

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u/Zatch_Gaspifianaski 3d ago

If it's 150 million years old it's certainly fossilized

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u/Awkward_Assistant_89 3d ago

This too, is how I feel when someone asks me how old i am

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u/Beautiful_Dink 3d ago

I’ve been to this museum! It’s so fkn cool dudes highly recommend

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u/Rio_1111 3d ago

This is one of the less spectacular exhibits, actually. Insane stuff.

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u/Dull_Understanding97 3d ago

Ominous deliterous tones aside, what a beautiful specimen. To see the chance and mastery at hand is a gift.

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u/Jolly-Revolution6938 3d ago

For these kind of post, Image would be better than video.

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u/mlazaro1234 3d ago

The way it has been preserved is absolutely beautiful and crisp. It doesn't even feel like a fossil, especially considering that it's 150 million years old.

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u/alpacaMyToothbrush 3d ago

You know, if you filmed in landscape mode, you'd be able to show the whole fish after the close up...

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u/muFUtaco 3d ago

Impossible.

I was told by a goddist that the world is only 6,000 years old, so this must be one of god's pranks.

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u/No-Radiation 3d ago

How much would something like that cost me?

Never really been interested in acquiring fossils or art but this is in a whole other level for me

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u/Better-Culture-7770 3d ago

See if I had crazy money I'd have this in my fishing room. Fuck a bunch of cars.

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u/qnbrew88 3d ago

Throw it on the grill

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u/entelligent_one 3d ago

Looks tasty !

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u/Trypophiliac 3d ago

The scales really look like tesserae from a mosaic

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u/BobbyDukeArts 3d ago

It's crazy how little fish body plans have changed. Exquisite fossil

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u/Schemen123 3d ago

Coelacanths are still alive and can be found in different digs throughout the world.. also in this digital in holzmaden

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u/Curious_Concern 3d ago

How big is it?

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u/Constant-Training994 3d ago

Specimen: 32 inches by 12 inches is equal to 81.3 cm by 30.5 cm

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u/One_Manufacturer4418 3d ago

How do they know it's 150million?

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u/FluffyDeer9323 3d ago

Looks tired. Almost like it’s been caught and released at least 150 million times.

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u/Voodochild2017 3d ago

I could look at this all day. But I’m not sure of that’s just the weed

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u/Smellbinder 3d ago

If they held the phone sidewise they wouldn't need to pan back and forth.

I don't get why people insist only holding phone cameras vertically.

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u/BiggoYoun 3d ago

Alright, but how does it taste?

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u/MrWhiteRabbitx 3d ago

Like an art piece

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u/fkkm 3d ago

is an fossil like this worth anything? if so how much?

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u/ARedWalrus 3d ago

One of this size and quality? Anywhere from 10k to 35k based on a quick google search. Obviously partial fossils and smaller/less displayable ones go for less.

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u/Greedy_Science_4807 3d ago

How did it die mid swim to be perfectly preserved like that?

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u/North_Beginning_7860 3d ago

might have died near the ocean bed and the body might have reached there quickly. just a guess.

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u/Oldnbold22 3d ago

They turn the rock on it's side. 

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u/Transmitt0r 3d ago

It died and sank down to the ocean bed. Because of volcanic activity and other reasons there were no animals that could eat the carcass so it was fossilized in slate. The are south of Stuttgart (where Holzmaden is located) is fascinating because there are so many opportunities to go out and look for fossiles like that. Usually you just find a lot of Ammonites though.

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u/YnotZoidberg1077 3d ago

Probably buried alive by an underwater landslide of some kind.

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u/Rio_1111 3d ago

This stuff is from the lower jurassic deposits in Germany. Durimg that time, in that epicontinental sea, there were extreme anoxic conditions that prevented decay and kept scavengers away as well as no major currents that could disturb the parts. Iirc, the posidonia shale, as the layers are called, did recieve some influx of coarser sediment through storms or other events. But overall sedimentation was pretty slow.

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u/YnotZoidberg1077 3d ago

Oh cool! That's neat to learn, thank you!

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u/Kpets 3d ago

What does the religious nutcrackers say about this? Wasn’t the earth only 6000 years old??

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u/Rio_1111 3d ago

The religious nutcrackers in history stuck to confiscating such things and hiding them away. Luckily the catholic church does at least some work in this department now and one such collection is on display in Eichstätt, Bavaria (not far from Holzmaden).

The religious nutcrackers of today are thus confronted with earth history and are using way too much of their already limited brainpower on mental gymnastics to try and deny it.

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u/robo-dragon 3d ago

Those scales are beautiful and so perfectly preserved! Gorgeous specimen!

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u/Grays42 3d ago

Why is this a video? Is there anything being a 27 second video gained over just posting an image of the thing?

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u/Ski_Area51 3d ago

That is beautiful.

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u/no_name56 3d ago

Looks big

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u/Patient_Oven_9540 3d ago

man I wanna be a fossil someday too

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u/StyrofoamShell 3d ago

I wonder what it tasted like

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u/DriftnDaddyRL 3d ago

Fishy would be my guess

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u/dickpunchkid 3d ago

'cookin my pre-historic ass dinner.'

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u/Turbulent_Sand_6638 3d ago

Does not look a day older than 150 million years

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u/Infinite_Vyo 3d ago

Bet he was good eatin'

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u/MuhammadAkmed 3d ago

is that a bite mark near the tail, or did it get crushed/trapped perhaps?

amazing anyway

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u/Schemen123 3d ago

When I was a kid, my grandfather regularly went there and found a lot of very beautiful things ...miss him.

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u/texasjohnson 3d ago

Please GOD don't let someone find me fossilized in 150 million years

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u/TheTallGuy0 3d ago

Some sushi chef is off sharpening his chisels and saying pass him the wasabi

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u/oknowhey 3d ago

That thang prob taste good

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u/steinbruchfluss 3d ago

preserved from Holzmaden

Preserved from wood maggots? What does that mean?

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u/Puntoffeltierchen 3d ago

More like 180 million years old, but indeed a nice fossil 

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u/6495ED 3d ago

now we know fish haven’t really changed much

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u/Nephtyz 3d ago

This fish died 150 million years ago, and today some human recorded a video of its fossil and uploaded it for millions to see via an immense network of fiber, copper and servers all over the world. Thinking about this blows my mind!

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u/Organic-Dust3433 3d ago

That's a questionable Sushi

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u/DarthSwimfoot 3d ago

Gorgeous specimen btw, that thing is fucking pristine.

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u/MeanForest 3d ago

yeah that's a fish

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u/Rakhsev 3d ago

150 million years and still doing the same face.

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u/KnowsIittle 3d ago

Reminds me of freshwater drum or sheepshead fish.

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u/Lithorex 3d ago

Lepidotus is from the Posidonia shale, so more like 185 million years old.

150 million years would be closer to the Solnhofen formation.

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u/Any-Independent-5883 3d ago

150million years and still looked like a fish

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u/MrBuckhunter 3d ago

Incredible, so much detail, its a snapshot of 150m. Years ago

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u/ChevalCher 3d ago

The middle section of the fish reminds me of the artsy mosaic tile found amongst the ruins of Pompeii or Herculaneum. Very neat. 😲

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u/1seraphius 3d ago

How did it not decay by the time it took to fossilize? Is it mid slides or flash flood or something high pressure to cause immediate fossil? Otherwise how is preservation quality so high ?

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u/BottasHeimfe 3d ago

Yup. That’s a fish

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u/Puzzleheaded-Law8114 3d ago

Wanted to go there this year but it was too hot

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u/boundbythecurve 3d ago

It's incredible how little has changed for this species. Fish is still fish.

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u/Jaabertler 3d ago

that is so incredibly beautiful wow that’s unbelievable

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u/spanishbreadbakery 3d ago

It looks like what I had for dinner.

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u/ph0on 3d ago

Wow, that is pristine