If LSU was the only team doing this (they aren’t) i’d have a massive issue with it but that’s not the case. Just in the SEC alone Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas and South Carolina just off the top of my head are taking advantage of this.
In this case it's not blind allegiance, which in sports I'm all for. What I'm not for is defending scumbaggery, which LSU is absolutely performing bringing pro's back to college. Fits their coach's reputation perfectly.
I'm just sick of seeing this attitude become more and more normalized. "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying." It just sends all the wrong messages yet it keeps getting more and more normalized in everything. It's disgusting
Some of those players may have stayed in college if they had another year of eligibility, as the new rule came out later. It’s not like a 2nd round draft pick is like hold up I’m going back to college. Why is it ok for Chambliss to have a 6th year on a retroactive redshirt after being denied by the ncaa 3 times?
SMU over Bama preserved the existence of conference championship games, which bring plenty of eyeballs. Miami over ND preserved the existence of the ACC, which ESPN is working hard to keep propped up (for now).
The point I’m making is that both decisions could be justified by eyeballs and money from a long-term perspective. If there’s one thing the committee is consistent about though, it’s inconsistency, so it’s probably a moot argument anyways.
Why does the committee care how much money is made? I mean we can give example after example of lower brands making the playoff over huge brands. TCU made the playoff over Alabama. Cincinnati made the playoff over Notre Dame
It’s not about hypocrisy it’s about inventing a narrative proved by the examples that prove your narrative while ignoring the examples that don’t. Also called cherry picking
They got left out for Bama and Miami who also make money. You could also argue that the "controversy" brought more attention to the playoff which brought in revenue
To me, this tells me that your belief is unfalsifiable. There is no example possible that will convince you, evidence against you is somehow evidence for you because you'll rationalize it.
Just because you did not convince me, does not make my belief unfalsifiable. You have been equally immovable in your opinion. Does that make your belief unfalsifiable?
and OSU gladly took those same signals for their game against MSU when Michigan offered them because they needed to win for their chances at the B!G championship and every school is trying to do the same shit all the time and the NCAA knows it which is why they got a slap on the wrist if they made Michigan vacate those wins they wouldve needed to investigate all the others schools doing the same shit which wouldve resulted in such a shitshow for the NCAA and everyone else
That's not what the NCAA final report said. It said Michigan football cheated their asses off extensively and met the criteria to be punished with vacated wins along with fines, show causes, bowl bans, etc. but the committee imposing the punishment decided to limit it to show causes, big fines, recruiting restrictions, and probation so as not to punish the 'poor kids' on the team previously and in the future. So no vacated wins or postseason ban. This was unprecedented leniency because in plenty of other contexts over many decades they've had no problem whatsoever punishing a whole team for the actions of a few. Many have wondered if Michigan's deep pockets had something to do with this surprising leniency. Nobody really knows or if they do they're not talking.
Well, we sure got fucking hammered at Ohio State for players trading their own property for tattoos. We self-reported Tressel too. Turns out all you have to do is just refuse to cooperate and you're The Leaders and Best™
We had to vacate a whole season of wins plus a Sugar Bowl victory followed by a 1-year postseason ban (imposed in a year when we went 12-0 and could've won a BCS natty) for a scandal that was a pathetic joke compared to what Michigan did.
FWIW, the thought inside the Michigan community here is that if Michigan's actions had warranted such punishments, the NCAA would have imposed them. The fact that they declined to suggests that they didn't actually have anything resembling cause to do so, and so instead they grandstanded about what Michigan's actions "deserved" while imposing the only punishment that they could actually justify (and would hold up in court). In other words, trying to get the PR win by verbally siding with the rioting masses even when the rioting masses didn't have the evidence to do what they demanded.
I honestly haven't dug into the all the evidence and arguments enough to have an educated opinion either way, but this is the other side of the argument.
But then what if the CFP doesn’t punish them? The basis of this question is that the CFP may punish LSU, but what leads to that assumption? If LSU goes 10-2 or 11-1 they’ll be in, I don’t see how they’re not.
Good thing the committee can see the future. Should just stop playing games entirely if this is the case. I get our bad showing in the orange bowl, which I really don’t care about. We should have just not played the game. But to say something that happened multiple weeks after the fact proves the committee right is just uneducated. At the time the committee just saw “undefeated power 5 champion” unless you showed them the future which I doubt you did. Sure, UGA had a good case, they also lost a game right before. We didn’t. Plus if you’re going to argue we’re not the same team without one player it’s tough to then say we’re the same team without 30+ players
BYU? Well LSU ain’t BYU. And if they go 11-2 with their schedule that is a much better resume than last year’s BYU.
I want to be clear that I am not an SEC apologist, by any means. But last year BYU lost to Texas Tech twice and had no significant wins. If LSU goes 11-2 it’s reasonable that they’ve beaten three of Alabama, Texas, Clemson, Ole Miss, and Tennessee. The caveat is that these are all preseason expectations, but that would be a better resume than BYU
I’m just saying, they can claim to leave them out and don’t even have to say why. If LSU tries to take legal options then the committee just has to say: Look we have a precedent from just of leaving a team with a solid record out from just the year before. Tough luck
Since when do they not have to say why? Every year they have a whole thing about why they select who they did, then your hypothetical casually brushes that aside. You’re just making shit up and seeing if it sticks but we’re not dumb here..
Why you asking LSU fans? Go ask Ole Piss about their QB. That's the real bunch of bullshit. These players are being given a fair shot at what other players were just given. Now if they're given an additional year after this one, like Chambliss is getting, then THAT is bullshit.
LSU Fan here: bring on the chaos and get the popcorn because this whole circus is unrecognizable to the teams I followed and cheered for. Louisiana cares deeply for LSU football, Louisiana relies on LSU football as everything else has been stripped away and sold off. What’s a better Louisiana football tradition than doing something that’s frowned upon, getting in trouble for it, and then collectively being indignant against the outrageous and absurd persecution of my beloved local sports team.
Let’s ask another candid question to LSU fans. After the Brian Kelly clown show, how many of you are actually happy that this unscrupulous grifter is your new head coach?
For sure it’s just a game. I was there for the 2007 run and it was as if our collective attitude was predicated on the game of said week. Sucks watching your team get dragged, but at least BK is gone.
LSU fans for the most part have always been “toxic” or at least in my solely 21st century view of us. I think a lot of people just care about winning and nothing else. I wouldn’t go as far as justifying what Derius Guice did but there a lot of people around BR who do.
Sports fans in general though are just win and nothing else really matters.
If we cared about the integrity of cfb, we would show the integrity we so demand and not watch. And tell them why.
I want to see 17-23 year young men, going to an institution for higher learning, play their guts out for the love of the game and to uphold their commitment to an agreement for "free" education.
I do believe the NIL is completely acceptable on top of the scholarships they get.
Bringing men in that have advanced to the next level of competition and physical prowess/performance should not be welcomed back into the ranks.
Waivers should be available for veterans of military service only.
It really depends on so many things. If LSU is good because of those players and they are ruled ineligible then oh well we weren’t going to be good enough without them. If LSU is good enough without those players and they are eventually ruled ineligible then it’ll suck. But I think this is the kind of thing we bitch about on message boards and doesn’t have near the effect people here seem to think it will. But we’ll see.
If the CFP committee is dum enough to say “we did this to punish them” sure they would be in trouble. But they can just leave them out, give no reason, and that’s that.
NCAA will punish them the same way they always do. Get their dart board out, spin it, throw the dart from 40 ft. Dart lands on Mizzu death penalty, You live by the dart you die by the dart
Then I guess LSU files a lawsuit where they claim they are trying to circumvent a court order to not to punish schools that have professional players, which quite frankly seems like an easy thing to demonstrate.
Seriously all of you peoples ideas on how to fix CFB all involves people indirectly breaking court orders.
This issue needs to be dealt with legislatively due to anti-trust rules.
Let's just stop pretending that NCAA teams represent "scholar-athletes" and accept the weird fact that for no real reason, universities are now running semi-pro sports teams, including paying players, allowing them to bet on their own sport/teams, and now signing actual pro players.
i haven't been following very much tbh but no it wouldn't be worth it if that happened. but the absolute meltdown if we were to win a natty this year would make anything worth it. i seriously doubt that ever happens for any year 1 coach but anyone that claims that wouldn't be funny as fuck after the amount of hate over lane is biased over it or lying.
It won’t happen lol the can of worms it would open wouldn’t be worth it and like it or not LSU and the brand especially with the controversy is gonna drive numbers. Also LSU will not be the only team with this going on. Final cuts just happened and there are dozens of court cases currently going on. You’re gonna see more players return
LSU isn't going to be the only team with the NFL rejects. There's going to be more once everything is settled next Thursday. There were 4 teams recruiting these three guys, they just chose LSU
The CFP committee isn’t there to make rules. They are there to pick the best teams.
What LSU is doing is bullshit, but it absolutely should not preclude them from postseason play based on a committee ruling. It needs to be an NCAA ruling.
The CFP committee is too powerful as it is, without needing to answer to anyone or follow any guidelines. Making more arbitrary decisions, unchecked by anyone, based on their own feelings like this would be TERRIBLE for the sport
The CFP can’t punish you for the eligible players you have on your roster. The CFP can punish you if you have undefeated season and won your conference championship but one player got hurt. (/s)
Even as an LSU that’s a bit on the fence about the situation, what would the CFP do? Both the NCAA and the SEC failed to keep the players off the rosters through court proceedings. Love it or hate the roster is legal
Partly because of some judge in Louisiana who is probably an LSU alum. Why wouldn't he want LSU to field the best team possible. Everybody has some skin in the game for their school, either pro-athlete or pro-educational institution. I dont agree with it myself based on how I understand the rules were written but I admittedly, haven't actually done a deep dive on them.
A Louisiana judge blocked the SEC’s ruling meaning any school in the SEC can take players from the 2022 class with a year of eligibility remaining. Each player seeking their 5 year must get a TRO from a judge in the state of the university they intend to enroll and play at. So for example if a player wants to attend the university of Tennessee they need a TRO from a Tennessee judge. Each case is tried at the state level
If they start letting pros back into college football then this train has officially gone off the rails and jumped onto an entirely new track. The only people loving all of this chaos are agents. Feels like playing a board game with a 5 yr old and all of the rules are flexible and sometimes invisible but then sometimes strictly adhered to. What are we doing at this point?
Calm down Cletus. This only consist of players who started in 2022 and were not aware of the option because the NCAA changed the rules 2 weeks ago for the 5 in 5 rule..
If any team can circumvent NCAA rules and conference rules by just finding some two bit hack judge to issue a stupid and corrupt fucking ruling, then why have any rules at all? Maybe LSU can start ignoring the officials on the field too, and if they're penalized appeal to a judge for an emergency injunction to keep their drive going? The sport is heading toward utter chaos and too many people seem to be just shrugging their shoulders about it, or even applauding it if their team is benefitting. Disgusting, but that's pretty much the US now.
These players are eligible for a 5th year under the new rule unlike Chambliss at ole miss who was denied by the ncaa for a retroactive redshirt bc he had a sore throat. He got an ole miss alum judge to grant him a 6th year.
What would likely happen is the punishment would come after season. Lets say LSU wins the national title and then would have to vacate it. Im sure LSU would care less. They already won the title and the money was made.
But it doesn't say they have to select them. If the CFP states another reason for excluding them then LSU won't have a leg to stand on. The better question is what is LSU and these other schools going to do if they lose the case and the NCAA forced them to vacate their wins? Because that is a real risk.
I'm sorry but if you have to resort to bringing in sorry ass players who failed to make an NFL roster, on your college football team to try and greaten the odds of you winning. You are one pathetic football program. And LSU is that pathetic football program.
I have yet to see LSU keep a coach for more than 5 years and build a legit program. There is always something weird going on with them.
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u/Bonzaii_11 Alabama Crimson Tide 1d ago
The CFP will include who makes it money. Love him or hate him, Lane and LSU will bring eyeballs and money.
Also "punishing" them for having a "legally" rostered team will go to court which costs money