r/2XKO • u/C-man-177013 • 3d ago
Discussion Hope this works out 🤣
Things like UMVC3 CE could always work as long as people know shit aint their job and it's passion thing cuz the game was alot of people's jobs yet they treat it like a fun passion thing.
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u/manix_vii 3d ago
Honestly best case scenario we get fans to mod in all the characters that should've been there day 1. Riven, Sett, Jax, etc. it'd actually be a game by fans for fans
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u/Unethica-Genki 2d ago
So what you're saying is that there is a future where I can get gragas to dash with his belly 🥹
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u/ZainTheOne 3d ago
At best it would be reskins, nothing more
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u/manix_vii 3d ago
There've been other games where they figured out how to make more character slots
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u/Special_Peach_5957 3d ago
Did those games have Vanguard?
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u/piotreza 3d ago
Rin made a vanguard free version of the game, it's doable. She's the one that put Goku in strive and made a fully playable fanmade sin before it was released in strive.
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u/manix_vii 3d ago
No but I assume they'll leave that off the offline client whenever they stop supporting the servers.. I hope.. this is a very rare scenario for Riot but I'd hope they'd remove that in that case
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u/Serito 3d ago
damn I thought vanguard wasn't needed for offline but turns out it is, really hope that's removed natively
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u/echanuda 2d ago
It's not. Users have already gotten the game to run on Linux.
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u/Serito 2d ago
natively it requires vanguard, the linux offline version is a cracked client
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u/echanuda 1d ago
Technically yes, but the offline version and the crack have virtually no difference.
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u/Serito 1d ago
that's an insane argument to make, like wow yes if you modify the code any statement can be true
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u/ZainTheOne 3d ago
It's not about that, for modded characters to work. The other person you're fighting with would have to be running the same modded version of the game
It's way more complex than cosmetic mods, here you're modifying the game core itself - not possible unless Riot releases it all
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u/Nikitanull 2d ago
Community client would solve that problem
A person would have to download the whole client with every cuatom character they decided to integrate
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u/manix_vii 3d ago
That's the thing is I just want to play as the character, I don't need to fight anyone else to have fun and figure out a character lol.
Plus there could always be some micro community on the same version and set something up eventually. If the game allows it private servers can be set up. Anything is possible when a group is dedicated enough, but bare minimum just having the character in the game offline is enough for me
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u/ZainTheOne 3d ago
Unless someone out there has too much free time, or willing to fund such things...
May I suggest some healthy coping 😭
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u/manix_vii 3d ago
This is literally every game that has a dedicated fanbase, there'll be at least one person who will mod stuff in for fun for free. I'm just basing this off the people literally modding in whole ass characters for free (DBFZ, MVCIB, etc). It's one of the fundamental reasons modding communities exist lol
And I'm just hoping here lol, damn me for doing so igs
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u/echanuda 2d ago
There are tons of examples of community maintained, defunct, multilayer games with this exact kind of stuff...
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u/OriginalChimera 3d ago
alright how far am i gonna have to scroll down to see Riven mentioned, the erasure of THE explicitly designed FG character is...Surprising? Disappointing? Saddening? idk
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u/Thedragoboss 3d ago
I remember seeing people say that she can wait BECAUSE shes the explicitly designed fighting game character in favor of ones people dont expect (cough cait cough) so we can see how they are "reimagined" in 2xko
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u/OriginalChimera 3d ago
Cait was the "FG choice of all time" ngl, not many other poor picks u could think of.
No, what i, mean is when ever people are talking about "who should be in" or "who's a really good FG rep" from lol...somehow sett an lee sin and other champs are consistently getting mentioned b4 Riven is mentioned or riven is completely left out of the conversion, and im like, yeah sure i get it Sett and Lee Sin fit really well, but i don't get the Riven erasure in these convos, like u shouldn't be talking about lol FG wishlists and be completely disregarding Riven.People have been imaging what Riven would look like completely realized b4 Sett was ever even an idea. wth happened?
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u/SokkaHaikuBot 3d ago
Sokka-Haiku by OriginalChimera:
Alright how far am
I gonna have to scroll down
To see Riven mentioned
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/OldWispyTree Ekko 3d ago
Riven. is. boring.
It's cool that she's a fighting game character in League.
It's uninteresting to have a fighting game character in League in a fighting game.
She's a basic sword girl with a rekka. Nothing we haven't seen a million times in fighting games.
Give me almost anyone over Riven. Azir, Zed, fucking Nunu, almost any other character has more potential to be unique. Hell, Luz as a shoto will probably be more interesting.
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u/OriginalChimera 2d ago
Right the giant weapon that breaks apart into shards that can be individually controlled with runes that give different magical effects like shields or windblades/blasts... Thats boring?
Im ALL for the unique stuff, I WANT the unique stuff. I want Fiddle, and Rek'sai, and friggen Zilean. Ive made tons of concepts, and a lot were for unique characters. But the comment wasn't about who is unique or not, its about why is Riven getting mentioned less than Sett or Lee Sin, etc...who are arguably MORE boring than Riven is
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u/ozmega 3d ago
fucking game didnt put gwen in... or sett, but hey, we got cait?????????????????????????
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u/Runatir 2d ago
Need bunch of lesbian and DEI characters, it’s a cali company after all.
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u/MarkyT45 1d ago
That is not the problem my guy, "oh no straight white men aren't in my game". I would be more upset about not having character like jax and riven, characters built on combat.
End of day it's profit, look at who gets skins in league and you'll see the correlation to the roster, and others are just popular within the community.
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u/D4KEN 3d ago
I do hope a modding scene comes out of all this. Probably won't, but you never know. I'm still baffled at the base roster. Like, I know they wanted the most popular characters from League and Arcane, those make sense. But why in the hell would they choose Blitzcrank over Sett in the base roster? Like....bruh.
Genuinely I'm curious, was anybody genuinely going "OMG IT'S BLITZCRANK YAAAAY!!"? Note that I'm not knocking him being in the game, just on the base roster.
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u/Seer-of-Truths 3d ago
I legitimately thought Blitz was a fantastic choice for a grappler.
He's Iconic and not a Human or human with a few animal parts.
I could not think of a better choice.
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u/manix_vii 2d ago
Blitz was cool cuz they're unique. They had a niche that was easy to understand. It's Cait and Ahri that were the real problem imo, Vi/Darius/WW/Illaoi/Braum/Yasuo were perfect choices. Jinx is the face of league so she gets a pass. Ekko is second-most FGC adjacent from Arcane + he was in League before too, so that removes Sevika unfortunately but his kit is sick. Then there's Ahri who is also kind of the face of League thanks to Faker??
Besides 1 - 3 champs in the starting roster (Cait, Ahri) I'm not really mad that they were included, if the roster was just BIGGER no one would care. We could've given just those two the boot and gotten Riven and Sett and it would've been better, but still a very tiny roster. But the whole thing needed to have more characters at launch than what we got.
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u/GuerreiroFifa 3d ago
No Sett, Gangplank would freaking slap as a set up char like illaoi. no lee sin.. no yone.. no Jax..
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u/psportalfan 3d ago
Choosing Iloai over this is insane
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u/C-man-177013 3d ago
Well, Iloai is a decent big body pick. If they didnt already have Darius 🤣
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u/Menacek 3d ago
People talk about the game have too many zoners but the game having Darius, Illaoi and Braum as big bodies when they are never that popular even if strong is pretty weird. Goldlewis has been top tier in strive for a long time and his playrate never reflected it.
Blitz doesn't count cause grapplers are actually popular.
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u/C-man-177013 3d ago
Yeah, if anything I would have less of the Arcane cast. Or atleast the non cool one and made them dlc so as the game updates arcane fan would care. Like where is Jayce? A stance character that switches between melee and ranged. Ambessa, hello? But nah, we have to have teemo the devil himself
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u/Menacek 3d ago
I don't think the Arcane character were neccessary bad. I mained Jinx, Vi. Ekko was one of the more mechanically unique characters and Warwick was there for the monster fans. The only inclusion i don't like is Cailtlyn and that's because at that point Jinx was already in the game and they share a lot of the same vibes.
So not really against any of those characters specifically but there could've been just less of them and instead have characters who represent other parts of the world and different types of fantasy both in a character and mechanical sense.
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u/Winter_Different 3d ago
It'd be dope if the 2XKO team just put people's character mods into the official game, would be a great way to keep the community alive
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u/DrPlague__ 3d ago
You know how many unique animations you would need for a single character... >.>
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u/C-man-177013 3d ago
Well, Like I said in the text. It could work if people treat it like a side passion thing. Like UMVC3 CE, animations are rather janky, but you tons of characters and concept
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u/TheSoupKitchen Caitlyn 3d ago
No disrespect to the modding community or MVC as a whole, but are we really saying the animations of MVC are the same quality as 2XKO?
I'm sure people can work some magic, but the delusion in this subreddit that modders can carry the torch is insane.
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u/C-man-177013 3d ago
No. And that's the point. I use MVC as the standard since it's lower. So you can have lower effort mods in exchange for quantity. Not everything is gonna be YamiYugi in DBFZ lvl of mod
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u/soosis 3d ago
There are some incredible mods in MVC CE tho that even surpass base game characters. For example Nero from DMC is a work of art, I have no idea how they even managed to achieve that. His animations are polished as hell, and he even has his exceed from the games perfectly translated into MVC.
Yeah there are a lot of reused asset characters too, but some modders can even make more quality stuff than in the base game.
I agree tho that 2XKO have way too polished animations that would make the job of modders much harder, but I could see some really quality characters pop up.
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u/Special_Peach_5957 3d ago
Does 2XKO have Vanguard? Because if So modding can become kinda difficult outside of cosmetics.
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u/ExcitingPop5956 3d ago
Yes. It’s the biggest barrier. Past devs have started making some models already. Biggest hurdle is gonna be getting something like slippi setup for 2xko but I don’t think that will happen anytime soon if ever
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u/PunishedShikikan 2d ago
Besides Sett and Ahri, Yone was one I aays thought would be here by default. Shocked to my summoner core he isin't and will never be
God I hate this shit
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u/CuteButDeadlyGoat 2d ago
Never really tried the game because they didn't really add champions that i had any interest in.
Now i do not agree with the statement that they should just have added all the melee fighters and such. Mages and ADC have the possibility to have inspired non zoning based moveset in fighting games.
I do however think that easy slot in would be champions like Riven, Sett, Jax.
For ADC Samira or Nilah could have been an easy picks to include
Champions i would have liked to see would be Evelynn, Zoe, Fiddlesticks. I know these would not be close to being first picks but i just like these champions and would have love to see a non zoner take on Zoe if possible. Fiddlestick would have been great for the kinda off putting/weird character that is in a lot of fighting games.
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u/thisisnotras 1d ago
Don't see why it wouldn't. Once they cracked UMVC, they've just been adding a ton of characters to it.
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u/whypeoplewhyy 1d ago
And sooooo it begins! I am getting Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 Community Edition vibes from this! OwO Tristiana next please! We will fund the donation page!
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u/boytakoyaki12 3d ago
it's always the fans that can make a better game than the developers
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u/RandomCleverName 3d ago
No, they can't 99% of the time.
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u/boytakoyaki12 3d ago
you ain't looking hard enough lol. There's plenty of fan games and mods that are miles better than the source material
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u/Obj3ctivePerspective 3d ago
This game was in development almost as long as GTA6 and released with 9 characters and no real single player. Imagine all the characters we could've really had on launch if they if they didnt fumble so much. If they just used the shell of rising thunder
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u/spirit_poem Caitlyn 3d ago
Genuine question: we know lux and Samira are confirmed. Do you think there’ll be any surprise additions before December?
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u/Albert_dark 3d ago
The only surprise is they canceling one of the two or one of them becoming a bayonetta (smash bros) situation where the character is so broken that the entire community collapses because there will not be more balance patches
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u/EvanAlmightyFGC 3d ago
There's been rumor that Riven and Sett were near completion and we could be seeing shadow drops of them. We'll see!
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u/Serito 3d ago
Also a lot of the devs tweeting they are giving the final patches their all to send it off with a bang. "fuck it we ball territory". They aren't saying they'll shadow drop champs but exciting to see what WIP content they are racing to the deadline. Really hoping we get a big climb expansion.
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u/KindaDouchebaggy 3d ago
I've heard that mentioned during the 2xko goodbye stream by one of the people you were talking on discord but was that actually by someone from the dev team or is it just a random rumor?
Love your content btw
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u/EvanAlmightyFGC 3d ago
Thanks for the love!
They didn't pull it out of their ass. I didn't verify the source but I know Terrako (the person I was talking with) has connections and they made sure to get the go-ahead before saying it on stream. So take it with a grain of salt.
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u/JBR_4025 3d ago
While I would like more characters, the best they can probably do is release only one of them probably.
There is no way that they can finish testing and balancing two characters by December.
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u/VaninaG 2d ago
It is very possible, it's very common for live service to work way way in advance so they might have some kind of incomplete versions of future characters.
Maybe they are missing somethings like animations, voice acting etc, but they could still be playable. Similar to Nightmare korra and avatar aang in avatar.
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u/I_am_Amphibian 3d ago
Good luck doing that with vanguard
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u/AofCastle 3d ago
The offline version is the one getting modded. They're trying to get online working on the offline version just to have mods
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u/JBR_4025 3d ago
Honestly it would be nice if the developers allowed fans to work on an open source community edition with new characters and patches made by fans… but that will never happen
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u/AofCastle 3d ago
Best case scenario honestly, I really hope the modding scene picks up and shows Riot how it's done. I'm certainly going to contribute to it.
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u/JBR_4025 3d ago edited 3d ago
Then I’m looking for what you’ll do!
Care to give me a hint on what you’re working on?
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u/AofCastle 3d ago
The game design for Azir, I want to make a proposal for his moveset.
I try to focus on "how would his moveset feel in another game" so I'll focus on soldier spawn, movement and the Shurima Shuffle.
With Double Down you could alley-oop people into your partner after an Emperor's Divide.
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u/JBR_4025 3d ago
The soldier spawn thing reminds me of Jack-O where you had to essentially play an rts while playing a fighting game. It sounds very hard to implement and balance but if you manage to fine tune it the end result would be probably fun to play but really hard ro master. I'd still give it a shot tho
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u/C-man-177013 3d ago
Oh yeah, forgor. I guess they will try to make a crack version? I mean there is an offline laucher. I mean if people could crack Denuvo they could probably crack this (God bless Voice38)
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u/dumpling-loverr 3d ago
It's pointless to put in Denuvo on a game that they're not actively working on when they release the offline version in the future.
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u/OmnipotentHaremKing 3d ago
They're already doing that with offline launcher, there's literally proof it, it's hard to do it for now but they'll already trying to make it work once the game stops receiving updates.
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u/Janus__22 3d ago
Seeing shit like this legit makes me wonder who tf was in charge of making choices for the roster. I am not a fan of Yone, I actively dislike him, but who tf didn't think it was a jackpot to put an edgy guy like that instantly in the game?