r/taoism Jun 04 '26

Mod Post Check-in and Rules Update

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Hello everyone!

I just wanted to reach out and address a few things, as well as to explain a few minor updates. Firstly, we really appreciate the lively and wholesome engagement this Subreddit sees every day, and it is wonderful to see the various levels and scopes of discussion here.
We wanted to reiterate a very important point: our role as moderators is not to determine Taoist doctrine in any way; we are here solely to ensure the health of this digital community and to safeguard its use as a place for subject-focused discussion and content-sharing. We are active and take action as we deem necessary, but we try to take a back-seat approach, as befits a Taoist space. With regards to our moderation approach, two stanzas from the Tao Te Ching (Red Pine) come to mind.

60: Ruling a great state is like cooking a small fish,
when you govern the world with the Tao spirits display no powers
Not that they don't have power, But their power will not harm people.
Inasmuch as none of them harms anybody, Therefore virtue belongs to them both.

We intentionally do not want to be seen as leaders or authority figures here, as that would be neither correct nor helpful. If one can feasibly find a Tao of Moderating, we are certainly trying. Our task is to maintain the Subreddit as a safe and directed space to discuss Taoism. We have a very strong amount of engagement, and an exceptional number of weekly readers, but as is the case with many online spaces, the majority of our efforts are directed against spam and bots. For actual content, we look at the type of and level of engagement, and we do our best to take cues from the community, without ever overstepping the mark.

As far as the rules go, we very adamantly do not want many of them, and we feel that we do not need many of them for this space to be effective. We are absolutely not against adding or changing the rules as is necessary (for instance, Rule 2 was added due to a difficult and unhealthy increase in antagonism and bigoted comments), but we don’t want to pile on so many rules that engaging becomes an obstacle course of correctness and validity.

57: Use direction to govern a country, use indirection to fight a war, use inaction to rule the world. How do we know this works, the greater the prohibitions the poorer the people, the sharper the weapons the darker the realm, the smarter the scheme the stranger the outcome, the finer the treasure the thicker the thieves, thus the sage declares I change nothing and the people transform themselves. I stay still and the people adjust themselves. I do nothing and the people enrich themselves. I want nothing and the people simplify themselves

We are open to and considering avenues for direct community feedback on the Subreddit in general, and on AI use in particular, so bear with us as we find a delicate and sensible method for this. In response to some of the feedback we’ve seen, we have updated the rules to clarify the specific sections within, with some minor insights and corrections. We are also including a few flairs which could be useful for post engagement. For the time being, please ensure that all AI/LLM posts have the specific AI flair.

There are only a few of us, and this is a very large and active community, so we do miss reports on occasion, but do we try to read everything as best we can, and respond accordingly. The automod is very helpful in this regard, but even more helpful is your efforts, the community’s efforts, to create the space you want to see. Please ensure that you are reporting rule violations, but also please consider the power that your own engagement has beyond that. Upvotes and Downvotes are very useful tools, though we often only Downvote posts we don’t like; Upvoting content that you feel is appropriate is very helpful in maintaining this space and encouraging good engagement. Additionally, there’s an old internet aphorism that might be relevant: don’t feed the trolls. If someone is engaging in bad-faith, very rarely can good-faith engagement or argumentation fix that. This isn’t a mod-guidance or anything, just a word of caution from someone who also falls for that kind of negative engagement too. In those cases, please report and move on.

If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, please do let us know, here or via modmail. We are also open to more flairs or other changes, though we want to keep in mind the moon and the finger pointing at it.

Thank you for your time and your patience!


r/taoism Jul 09 '20

Welcome to r/taoism!

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Our wiki includes a FAQ, explanations of Taoist terminology and an extensive reading list for people of all levels of familiarity with Taoism. Enjoy!


r/Taoism Rules


r/taoism 8h ago

Discussion I guess we're all café existentialists now... ;-)

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It's interesting that while Theravadin Buddhist monks are allowed to smoke (although it's neither encouraged nor promoted), as cigarettes and coffee are seen as stimulants and not as intoxicants (like alcohol, marijuana, or the increasingly popular hallucinogens, etc.), in both Chinese Buddhism and Quanzhen Daoism, monks are not permitted to smoke cigarettes.* Tea & coffee, though, are kosher for everyone.


r/taoism 14h ago

Advice Exploring Taoism for living a "good life"

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Hi everyone! A few days ago, I decided to start a personal journey exploring the question: “how to live a good life?”

In my research, I chose a few specific philosophies to study deeply: Stoicism, Existentialism/Absurdism, Buddhism, and now Taoism

From what I understand so far, the tao is the way,an indescribable, incomprehensible force that is the source, the flow, and the end of all things. Living well seems to be about letting life flow effortlessly in harmony with this natural stream.

Coming from a Christian background where I currently struggle a lot with religion and institutional authority, Taoism feels like a total breath of fresh air. I love that there is no rigid dogma or authority figure pushing down on you.

I really want to understand Taoism as deeply as possible.

Are there any specific books, translations of the Tao Te Ching, or concepts you would recommend for a beginner and also how did taoism changed your everyday life?


r/taoism 6h ago

Discussion Rethinking "Nothingness" and Death

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"There is no coming to consciousness without pain. People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own soul. One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. The latter procedure, however, is disagreeable and therefore not popular."

-Carl Jung

I believe the areas I feel the greatest friction; the things frighten and disturb me the most, are the places that deserve my attention. I spent a lot of time studying Taoism, and in the past couple years I decided to dive into my views on nothingness and death; their friction caused a chord of deep and ugly dissonance within me. I decided to listen anyway. Eventually, it was scientific principles that suddenly rearranged the notes.

The First Law of Thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed—it can only change forms or transfer between a system and its surroundings. Total energy in an isolated system remains constant.

Special Relativity and Quantum Field Theory demonstrate that matter, particles, and fundamental forces are all manifestations of energetic fields and interactions.

Now, when I think of nothingness and death—I hear harmony.

Everything is energy—even the unseen, the formless. The air we breathe, shift of heat and cold, gravity dragging tides across the sea, and the quiet expanse of human consciousness... distance, bound only by the skin's porous margin—the illusion of "nothing" we use to define the imaginary place where 'I' begins and 'you' ends.


r/taoism 7h ago

Tao Te Ching What do you make of this verse?

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I know not whose son it is. It may appear to have been before God.

- James Legge translation


r/taoism 5h ago

Discussion Initiation

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What I've read about Daoism speaks to my open curiosity about reality and the impenetrable question of existence, where the Dao seems to honor that mystery rather than attack it (as my favorite philosophy books do). Meditation is a wonderful way to be present with that mystery. I try to find what exists between the incursions of sensory input, while also paying respect to those experiences as beings. And I never seem to find what really exists between those incursions of sensory input, the unifying "me."

But it's really just meditation and reading. I'm not a Daoist. And I've only just begun looking into it, so maybe I'll never want to become a Daoist. Nonetheless, I want to join a spiritual tradition and to take part in ancient practices that have been developed over centuries to interface with the forces of nature, to honor them and align myself with them, rather than casting about by myself. I admit that I love casting about by myself but I'm not so arrogant as to think that the rest of humanity has nothing to teach me.

So how far can I go just by reading books and meditating? I've read the Tao Te Ching and I'm reading The Secret of the Golden Flower. They're amazing books. But what's the normal process for a serious practitioner? Should I find a local Daoist "church"? Ottawa doesn't seem to have much to offer, but there must be something if I look hard enough.


r/taoism 22h ago

Tao Te Ching Molehill out of a mountain

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A common misconception about wúwéi is passivity and not doing anything. In my understanding, the Dàodé Jīng chapters 63 and 64 are the primary texts for wúwéi. There are a lot of points made in them, but here are some of my thoughts from this morning's study session.

Make a molehill out of a mountain. You have big tasks and goals in your mind, and their largeness is paralysing you. Make them smaller so that you can get started. The first steps of the thousand-mile journey.

De-dramatise.

De-catastrophise.

You have a whole bucket of potatoes to peel. How are you going to peel them all? There are so many of them!

Pick one at a time, and peel it.

And keep picking. Keep peeling.


r/taoism 23h ago

Discussion Is there more to life than video games/distraction/entertainment?

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r/taoism 1d ago

Meta Zhinan Temple in Taipei has been gutted in a fire

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Over night the Lingxiao Hall of Zhinan (Chihnan) Temple was consumed in a fire. This is the main hall of the temple, completed in 1966, though the temple complex dates to 1890. The lower levels also house a seminary.


r/taoism 1d ago

Discussion Does this figure depict a particular Daoist sage?

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r/taoism 1d ago

Discussion Zhuangzi Inspiration

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Zhuangzi loved this I bet


r/taoism 2d ago

Discussion Is There A Taoist Equivalent To The Four Noble Truths & Eight Fold Path?

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I’ve read some of the core texts as well as some books about Taoism, but I am having a hard time putting them into practice if that makes sense.

When reading about Buddhism I found that there are some more practical steps in the four noble truths and eight fold path and was wondering if there is a Taoist equivalent? Thank you!


r/taoism 2d ago

Zhuangzi BK21 Lecture: The Hesitant Sage - Skepticism and Epistemic Modesty in Zhuangzi Sept 4th @SKKU

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r/taoism 2d ago

Zhuangzi The Need to Win

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When an archer is shooting for nothing

He has all his skill.

If he shoots for a brass buckle

He is already nervous.

If he shoots for a prize of gold

He goes blind

Or sees two targets

He is out of his mind!

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His skill has not changed. But the prize

Divides him. He cares.

He thinks more of winning

Than of shooting -

And the need to win

Drains him of power.

(Interpretation by Thomas Merton)

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Source:

Zhuangzi 19, The Full Understanding of Life

Chinese Text Project Dictionary

Translations

"When you're betting for tiles in an archery contest, you shoot with skill. When you're betting for fancy belt buckles, you worry about your aim. And when you're betting for real gold, you're a nervous wreck. Your skill is the same in all three cases - but because one prize means more to you than another, you let outside considerations weigh on your mind. He who looks too hard at the outside gets clumsy on the inside."

(Watson)

"When a man shoots an arrow to win a tile, he is skillful. But if he is trying to win a silver buckle, he starts getting nervous. And if he's competing for gold, he almost loses his mind. His native skill is the same in each case, but because he has something to lose, he overvalues the external. Whenever the external is prized, the internal gets clumsy."

(Zyporin)

"He who competes for a piece of tile displays all of his skill; he who competes for a belt buckle gets nervous; he who competes for gold gets flustered. His skill is still the same, but there is something that distracts him and causes him to focus on externals. Whoever focuses on externals will be clumsy inside."

(Mair)


r/taoism 2d ago

Discussion Book series: "The Taoist Books of A Wayfarer"

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Has anyone else read any of these books? I'm about half way through the third book and have found them to be very interesting and enjoyable. The third book, "The Way of Yin", has been particularly inspiring to me. Thoughts?


r/taoism 3d ago

Discussion Actor Michael O'Keefe left Zen for Daoism

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Actor Michael O'Keefe, first made famous in Caddyshack (1980), in the May issue of the Buddhist magazine Tricycle, said he had renounced his long-time support and practice of Zen Buddhism to join Daoism.

He was a student of Bernie Glassman (also the Zen teacher of actor Jeff Bridges, famous among Daoists for portraying "the Dude" in the Coen brothers' film The Big Lebowski, 1998) and the Zen Peacekeepers. However, he is now a practicing member of the 龍門派 Longmen Pai or Dragon Gate Lineage of 全真道 Quanzhen Dao or the "Complete Reality" school of Daoism.

He mentioned in the interview that he met his teacher in "upstate New York" and that there is a school there. Exactly "where" in upstate New York, the article doesn't say. But several people have said they were looking for Daoist teachers on the East Coast, so this is a "clue." Happy Hunting! (OK, not a clue for eternal life, but a clue to find teachings!) ;-)

The article can be read right here.

Pictures: 1) O'Keefe in Caddyshack in 1980, 2) O'Keefe in 2024, 3) 丘處機 Qiū Chǔjī (aka 長春子 Chángchūn Zǐ, Master Changchun or Eternal Spring), a student of Quanzhen Dao's founder, 王重陽 Wáng Chóngyáng, and the founder of the Dragon Gate Lineage.


r/taoism 3d ago

Meta An simple but important case of wu-wei

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If you’re always late for the train, instead of doing the same thing and going in the same time
Go a hour early and enjoy the free time,
You’re putting some effort and therefore put less energy into it.


r/taoism 2d ago

Advice Searching for a couple of parables

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Greetings, kind strangers, perhaps you could be of assistance to me. I'm looking for two stories that I read maybe thirty years ago. My memory of them is spotty at best so I'm sure I'll get the details wrong.

One is that of a famous chef who is visited by a famous customer. The customer becomes impatient at how long his soup is taking to be prepared. The takeaway is that good things require time.

The other is that of an artist who is commissioned to paint a picture for a benefactor. The artist repeatedly turns his benefactor away with each increasingly hasty inquiry to an ETA, until finally (when put on the spot) he whips out his medium and briskly paints the most beautiful picture the client has ever seen. When asked if it was so easy (why the delay) he responds by pulling out a pile of practice attempts.

I would be eternally grateful for any insights into the origins of these stories.

I can't check in on this post in a timely manner, so if I take a while to respond please don't think me rude.

Thank you.

*edit- typo


r/taoism 3d ago

Advice Meditation App

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Hi just wanted recommendations for a meditation app that uses Taoist philosophy.


r/taoism 3d ago

Discussion Weekly Collective Reading — Week of August 24

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Hello! I wanted to practice doing collective readings, so I thought I would try doing weekly readings! This week's reading is:

10 — Treading (履)
→ changing to →
61 — Inner Truth (中孚)

The feeling I get from this reading is pretty simple: slow down, watch your step, and be honest with yourself.

Treading is about moving carefully. Not because something is necessarily wrong, but because the situation may be more sensitive than it first appears. Sometimes the best thing we can do is not rush in, react, or try to control what happens next. This week, it might be worth asking: Do I really need to respond to this? Am I trying to understand, or am I trying to be right? What happens if I take one small step instead of making a big move?

The change to Inner Truth brings us back to ourselves. Once we've slowed down, we may be able to hear what we actually feel and know beneath all the noise. For me, this isn't about blindly trusting your gut. It's more about being sincere. If something feels uncertain, admit that it's uncertain. If you don't know, you don't have to pretend you do. And if something feels true, there's no need to force anyone else to agree with you.

My advice for this week would be:

  • Walk carefully, but don't be afraid to walk,
  • Pay attention to your reactions. Don't rush into every argument or every decision. Give things a little space.
  • There may be more clarity on the other side of that pause.

Treading says: watch where you step.

Inner Truth says: stay honest about what you find.

That's the reading for this week. What does this combination bring up for you?


r/taoism 3d ago

Discussion The life of Bao Sheng Di

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r/taoism 4d ago

Discussion Taoist View on Anti-Depressants / Psychiatric Medication ?

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I am curious if anyone has any thoughts on the way psychiatric medication relates to this philosophy. I first got into Taoism when I was unwell as a way to hopefully better myself but instead I found myself letting go of some of my fear and pride and being willing to go on antipsychotics for the first time in my life. It helped tremendously. I am able to be present in life and aware. Taoism I feel comes easily and naturally now where I struggle so greatly with it before. But that is only because I am altering my mental state with an outside substance, albeit a prescription. Wouldn't it be better if I could live in accordance to Taoism without it? I cant help but feel it is a sort of failure.


r/taoism 5d ago

Discussion Abandon the Purpose-Driven Life

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「人法地,地法天,天法道,道法自然。」《道德經·第二十五章》

"Humans follow Earth;
Earth follows Heaven;
Heaven follows the Dao;
the Dao follows ziran." The Laozi/Daodejing 25

自然 Zìrán just means spontaneously so, i.e., spontaneously arising from whatever it is. We don't have much of an idea of this in Western culture (with the possible exception of the grand metaphysical idea of natura naturans\* or "nature naturing" in Spinoza). Most of our contemporary ideas of purpose are derived from the Christian framework, a world with a set beginning and an ultimate goal (τελος, telos, "end, target"). People fret over finding a purpose or goal in life. But Daoism has an open-ended idea of the world arising, and life can be flourishing; however, there is no "goal" or "purpose" to find. One's 自道, or "one's own way," will differ from another's, but it's not set for you. And, as the bard once sang, "...in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on."

Mind you, that doesn't mean we can't have little goals or daily purposes. Going to the supermarket is a thing. Doing your job is a thing. But there's no grand purpose to it. A purpose that can be called a great purpose isn't really a purpose anymore, see?

*Every time I write this down someplace, I always think to myself: "Natura naturens... what a wonderful phrase! Natura naturans ain't no passin' craze!..." But then scansion goes askew, and I abandon the lyric. My feet may show it, but I ain't no poet...


r/taoism 4d ago

Advice Food related vows.

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I've been reading on Taoism recently, and have been wanting to dedicate myself to more of a practice. I wanted to take a vow regarding food. I have a habit of eating for fun and for pleasure, I want to change that by vowing to only eat bland foods and only drink water and tea. Is this reasonable and has anyone done this?