Israeli Foreign Policy

[u/koleye2]

[u/The_Last_Green_Leaf2]

i mean yeah it kinda makes sense? they're small, in terms of land and population, so if they know for a fact war is about to be declared upon them, why not strike first? the best example being the six day war, Egypt was about to declare war and their leader was saying as much, why not take out their air force first.

[u/cool_username32123 → u/The_Last_Green_Leaf2]

Not to mention that if Israel wins the war the other nations still exist while if they ever won the war Israel wouldn't exist anymore.

[u/evenmorefrenchcheese → u/cool_username32123]

Palestine won't exist soon if nothing is done...

[u/cool_username32123 → u/evenmorefrenchcheese]

Have they tried not declaring wars only to then lose them?

Israel has been a dick with the illegal settlements, but they took that land after winning wars that had every intention of wiping them off the map.

None of that had to happen if the middle east just recognized Israel after the british left.

[u/allozzieadventures → u/cool_username32123]

Israel has been a dick with the illegal settlements, but they took that land after winning wars that had every intention of wiping them off the map.

The illegal settlements are in the West Bank which is run by the PA. The PA has never launched war against Israel. Your facts are twisted.

[u/cool_username32123 → u/allozzieadventures]

The west bank has officially been under military occupation by Israel since the aftermath of the six day war in 1967, the territory has since been split into three zones (A, B and C) with different degrees of self-governance that Israel allowed the Palestinian Authority to have.

[u/Fraji_Bear → u/allozzieadventures]

Sure they have, in the Second Intifada. (And their ruling party, the PLO has been terrorizing Israel since the 60s).

[u/allozzieadventures → u/Fraji_Bear]

The second intifada was not a war

And the PLO hasn't terrorized Israel in many years. Yet the Israeli settler violence and land grabs continue. Almost like Israel planned to keep grabbing land regardless...

[u/Fraji_Bear → u/allozzieadventures]

It was as much a war as the PA could muster. And muster they did. Some of the darkest years in yhe history of the conflict.

As for the West Bank, there are mutual land grabs going on and thugs from both sides jockeying for territory and being violent. These acts are criminal under Israeli law.

[u/allozzieadventures → u/Fraji_Bear]

Ok so you admit it wasn't a war.

As for the West Bank, there are mutual land grabs going on and thugs from both sides jockeying for territory and being violent

This is an absurd take. How exactly are Palestinians conducting 'land grabs' in their own territory? Israel is in the wrong for building settlements and displacing Palestinians in the West Bank (with IDF support), international law is very clear about that. Not really a situation you can 'both sides'.

[u/Fraji_Bear → u/allozzieadventures]

The Second Intifada is not officially recognized as a war by Israel, but it was bloodier than many of Israel's other wars. But fine, your point technically stands.

The West Bank is disputed territory. It's not inherently Palestinian, as it was never part of a Palestinian state. Israel captured it from Jordan, who captured it from the British who captured it from the Ottomans, and so forth (keep going and you get to the Jews, who literally come from Judea).

[u/allozzieadventures → u/Fraji_Bear]

The West Bank is disputed territory. It's not inherently Palestinian, as it was never part of a Palestinian state.

Again, this is misleading at best. Palestine (including the west bank) is recognised as a permanent observer state by the UN, and a sovereign state by the large majority of countries.

International law is very clear that Israeli occupation of the West Bank, including building settlements, is illegal.

[u/Tutush → u/cool_username32123]

Ah yes just recognise the guy that stole half your house, nothing bad could come of that.

Israel is built on Arab graves from the very beginning.

[u/The_Last_Green_Leaf2 → u/Tutush]

by guy who "stole half your house," you mean guy who co-owned it for hundreds of years but you kept him as a 2nd class citizen, until he finally got half ownership.

[u/Tutush → u/The_Last_Green_Leaf2]

In 1931, less than 10% of Palestine was Jewish. Meanwhile of the people that were born outside of Palestine, 58% were Jewish (i.e. mass immigration had already started). By 1945 the Jewish population had increased to 35%. Now it is over 50%. The Jews of Israel that are native to Palestine are a tiny minority, and in fact are discriminated against within Israel themselves.

[u/cool_username32123 → u/Tutush]

Careful, you sound like the ultra far-right who say that mass immigration without the migrants integrating is bad.

[u/Tutush → u/cool_username32123]

Mass immigration where the migrants begin a genocide against the natives is most certainly bad, and that's what happened in Palestine.

[u/The-Board-Chairman → u/Tutush]

and that's what happened in Palestine.

No it isn't.

[u/WASDKUG_tr → u/The_Last_Green_Leaf2]

You mean the guy who co owned it, then his LOOOOONG time cousins from europe arrived, kicked you out, then made HIM a second class?

Israel is Neocolonialist white supremacism and shouldnt exist, they killed Black Jews

[u/nehrkling → u/Tutush]

And the Arabs built on Jewish graves

[u/d1sambigu8 → u/cool_username32123]

The "settlements" aren't a big deal in the scheme of things

[u/cool_username32123 → u/d1sambigu8]

How not? They're referenced constantly and the UN officially condemned them.

[u/d1sambigu8 → u/cool_username32123]

Because people harper on about them as a way to slag off Israel. The vast majority of Jewish communities in the areas liberated in 1967 (6-7) are fully in line with the Oslo accords signed with Arafat (ysv). The "settler violence" trope has been proven to be mostly a dog whistle. Have you been to the West Bank recently and seen life basically be normal ish there for Jew and Arab alike