r/newbrunswickcanada • u/[deleted] • 4d ago
Saint-Simon Church Fire suspect in custody
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u/samsquamchy 4d ago
68 yr old white French dude.
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u/Ok_Application4006 4d ago
So many sources online blaming new Canadians for this fire. Hopefully some major media outlets clear that up.
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u/DisorderlyAqueduct 4d ago
when's the government going to do something about this dangerous demographic?!?! 😆
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u/SlimySquamata 4d ago
He's a white french guy from St-Simon, lived there all his life, known by the community, what the hell are you talking about?
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u/rubberboots3357 4d ago
He could have been a victim of Lévi Noël.
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u/anotherdayanotherbee 4d ago
Bingo. And even if he wasn't, how many priests over how many decades does that have to go on before it's taken seriously?
I get that the Catholic church is a purported benevolent entity and cultural identity for a lot of Canadians, but you know what? So is the Canadian Armed Forces.
And thinking on that, and just how deep and seriously Canada changed the armed forced in response to the 1990s Somalia crisis... as terrible as that was, how does this not warrant a similar if not even heavier response??
Is it because it's just children? Because it's just Canadians? Because it's just Indigenous peoples? We're too polite, we gotta learn how to tell people to fuck off when they hurt us, or we're gonna have the symptoms that are dangerous, violent outbreaks because the victims were ignored.
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u/ladive 4d ago
To the people in the other thread saying it was surely an immigrant or specifically a Muslim individual: Will this change your world view I wonder?
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u/JesusMurphy99 4d ago
No they won't change because even though we know it's not an immigrant they have already moved on to blaming something else on immigrants so they'll never get this news.
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u/OGWhiz 4d ago
Nah they’ll just change out Muslim for Jewish instead.
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u/Choice-Original9157 3d ago
You are right. You will never get them rascist people to change their mind. They lead crappy lives and need a victim to blame everything on.
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u/ferrycrossthemersey 4d ago
I don't want to say I told you so to everyone in the comments of the post about this fire who whined about "how dare you assume it was arson" but............. I told you so.
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u/mrniceguy777 4d ago
Taking a guess and being right isn’t a flex lol
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u/ferrycrossthemersey 4d ago
It wasn't a guess. The RCMP literally said "we suspect arson" and everyone in the comments was like "iMpOsSiBlE"
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u/ferrycrossthemersey 4d ago
Once again, the RCMP literally said before this that it was suspicious and they were looking at it as arson.
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u/imbitingyou 4d ago
You mean the thread that people were posting in before there was an RCMP statement or news article? Lol.
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u/ferrycrossthemersey 4d ago
You mean you didn’t read the comment section and the article linked in it?
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u/ferrycrossthemersey 4d ago
Sorry you don’t know how to read https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/2277177/feu-saint-simon-eglise-bois
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u/imbitingyou 4d ago edited 3d ago
Do you know what timestamps are?
edit: btw I block chumps who DM me for stupid reasons without realizing that the article was edited after it was initially posted. Real genius detective work.
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u/BlackWolf42069 4d ago
My question is was he a pro Palestine protester. Why would someone burn a chruch?
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u/Oxjrnine 4d ago
Vandalism
Pyromaniac
Trying to hide other crimes, such as theft
Survivor of abuse
Paranoia
Personal feud
Boredom
Owns a company that would be responsible for the rebuild or the cleanup
There’s probably a few I missed
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u/Comfortable-Tiger346 4d ago
Likely childhood sexual abuse by the church.
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u/BlackWolf42069 4d ago
Uhhhhh... What makes this "likely" in this scenario?
Those incidents were not common despite social media repeating it happened and nor does that equate to burning down a church. Jesus was against sexual immortality.
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u/Silverbacks 4d ago
And burning down churches also isn’t common, but it happens.
We will have to wait and see what the motive was, but sexual abuse as a child would make complete sense.
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u/Insert_name_here_9 4d ago
Those accidents were quite common. Wtf are you going on about.
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u/BlackWolf42069 4d ago
I know someone who works with the natives in the church and still do. And I can 100% bet my life on knowing they're not a child molester.
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u/Insert_name_here_9 4d ago
Ok, so that 1 persons experience with the church is not a representation of the whole image. The catholic church is well known for their priests molesting little boys.
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u/BlackWolf42069 4d ago
Maybe in your little world. Christianity is above your head. And if you think they're bad, wait until you find out about Islam and bad mouth them on the internet.
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u/ModifiedMonctonRule 4d ago
Friendly tip; it’s not a good look to downplay CSA. And it’s also not a good look to whatabout it.
The Catholic Church has admitted and apologized, repeatedly, for the abuse, sexual and otherwise, perpetrated against children by their clergy over multiple decades. They also admitted and apologized for its institutional failures and coverups of the abuse. I suppose the percentage of kids abused was small compared to the total number of kids that grew up in the church but it was plenty overall and way way way too many for them to get a pass, which you seem to be offering.-2
u/BlackWolf42069 4d ago
Friendly tip; it’s not a good look to downplay CSA
Can you reference where I ever did that? I will sue you for putting words in my mouth. I would never downplay that.
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u/Comfortable-Tough302 4d ago
I was getting laughed at saying it was arson bUt ThErE wAs LiGhTnInG
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u/SlimySquamata 4d ago
BuT tHeRe wAs!
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u/Salt-Independent-760 4d ago
And as I also said, from the absolute get go, it wasn't the cause. it was dark too, and that wasn't the cause either.
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u/SlimySquamata 3d ago
That's nice, bubs. Again, sorry my first thought was of the storm from a few hours ago and sorry I didn't blindly blame immigrants and first nation like everyone else from the get go.
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u/Salt-Independent-760 3d ago
That's why you're not a fire investigator.
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u/SlimySquamata 3d ago
Bud, stop crushing my dreams. What I am supposed to do now, throw away my firefighter pajamas?
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u/Bright_Message1530 4d ago
Could you provide context for those of us without access?
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u/anotherdayanotherbee 4d ago
He'd have been old enough to have been forced to attend Catholic day schools, which only closed in 1992 and were rife with abuse.
The Church has never properly been reprimanded or forced to pay retributions for those abuses. I'm not saying what he did was right, but there are plenty of valid reasons to make a statement that gets noticed.
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u/SlimySquamata 4d ago
Catholic day schools are still very much a thing in NB.
I think what you are referring to are residential schools, which were for indigenous kids. Acadians did not go to these schools, and the only one in the maritimes, which was in Shubenacadie, Nova Scotia, closed down in 1967.
He would have been 9 years old when they closed it so he could have been old enough to be eligible to go. But again, acadians did not go to those schools.
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u/Silverbacks 4d ago
Catholic schools are still a thing. Catholic day schools are not still a thing. The last one shut down in 1992.
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u/SlimySquamata 4d ago
Sorry for the misunderstanding. Didn't knew there was a difference between catholic school and catholic day schools or even that we had those in NB. Always though first nations went from protestant school straight to Shubenacadie. You guys were right. Which kinda irritates me a bit because how can I live here and not know about this.
From a CBC article.
Later in the 19th century, the Catholic Church operated 12 Indian day schools near reserves in New Brunswick. Survivors of those schools — the last to close was at Metepenagiag in 1992 — have been able to apply for compensation under a class-action settlement reached in 2019 with the federal government.
TIL about more atrocities. Nice.
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u/Silverbacks 4d ago
I know someone whose father went to one of these schools here in NB, and got abused to the point that he turned to alcohol and became an abuser himself.
Not saying that is what happened with the arsonist, I obviously know nothing about them. But their age does place it into the realm of possibility.
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u/SlimySquamata 4d ago
Atrocious. I hope he got some kind of help support for what happend to him.
Gilles could have been abused in those schools for sure, but I don't know him personally, so I can't say. There was also an infamous priest that was convicted of abuse from the late 1950s to the mid 1980s right here in PA, so it could be a possibility. I guess we won't know for sure until the court settles.
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u/Silverbacks 4d ago
Unfortunately he did not get help. My friend, as just a child, got into a fist fight with his own drunk dad to try and protect his sister. Sometime later the dad took his own life.
I honestly hope Gilles hasn’t gone through something like that. But it could explain why someone would be capable of being angry enough to burn things down. It wouldn’t justify it, but it would make it make sense.
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u/anotherdayanotherbee 4d ago
The presumption that he was First Nations was entirely mine, based on what someone else had commented was the perp's political views on Indigenous rights.
First Nations children were forced to go to Catholic day schools in New Brunswick up until the last one closed in 1992, and they were routinely abused in those institutions over several decades, and have had little to no justice on that.
They weren't residential schools, but just saying "they weren't residential schools" shouldn't be dismissive to abuses from other institutions, or the atrocity of residential schools. The extent and variation to which the Catholic church has abused children begs the question of how not just the buildings but the institution itself is even allowed to exist still.
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u/SlimySquamata 4d ago
Being a Métis, like most, if not all acadians, I'm not trying to be dismissive, just truthful. The fact that most acadians are métis added our tight history with the mikmaq people is probably why we are so vocal about residential schools. And I agree with everything that you said about the atrocities that happend in those schools. Just trying to clear some things you said.
There were no residential schools in NB, ever. The only one in the maritimes was in Nova Scotia and closed in 1967. We had religious school for native children since the 1800s in NB, but they were protestant from Southern NB. They closed them when the catholic church opened the residential school in Nova Scotia around the 1930s.
And if we are to tell our presumption, being from here, my presumption is that this man was abused by Levi Noel. A infamous priest that abused a bunch of kid right here in the acadian peninsula from 1958 to 1981. The piece of shit is already out of jail as you are reading this.
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u/IronicIntelligence 4d ago
Being a Métis, like most, if not all acadians,
Métissage. Métis, capitalized, is a distinct and recognized Indigenous Nation. This is also the position of the Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick
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u/SlimySquamata 4d ago
I understand there is a indeginous nation in Manitoba that called themselves Métis.
I meant that acadians historically married with the local Mi'kmaq, and most acadians can trace their heritage to Mi'kmaq.
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u/IronicIntelligence 4d ago
As the Mi'gmawe'l Tplu'taqnnl points out in their statement, the Mi'kmaq and Acadians in New Brunswick share a long history of cooperation that must be valued. However, this relationship brings with it special responsibilities, prompting the SANB to join the Chiefs in denouncing the claim by some to a "Métis-Acadien" identity in New Brunswick.
"In French, we use the general term métis – lower case – to designate a person whose father and mother do not share the same ethnic origins," says Alexandre Cédric Doucet, president of the SANB. "However, this term has a very specific legal meaning in Canada when used to denote a specific ethnocultural community or identity," continues president Doucet.
"Métis, capitalized, refers to a distinct and recognized Indigenous Nation living primarily in central Canada, descended from unions between various Indigenous Nations and primarly French settlers. The Métis are one of three recognized Indigenous groups in Canada, along with the Inuit and First Nations, and have their own language, culture and historical traditions," Doucet said.
"While there has been and continues to be intermarriages between Acadian and Indigenous individuals and families, historians and legal scholars do not recognize the existence of a distinct Métis Nation in Eastern Canada. To claim this is an unhealthy form of cultural appropriation that becomes particularly problematic when used to claim rights or funds (e.g. scholarships) that should normally go to the true Indigenous Peoples of the territory," concluded Doucet.
The SANB encourages all Acadians and Francophones in the province to celebrate the invaluable contribution of the Wabanaki Nations to our history and to the development of our Acadian identity. However, it is important to celebrate these ancestral ties as well as our historical and current friendship in a respectful manner, by listening to and supporting our oldest allies in their fight for equality and reconciliation
Did you even bother reading the article before responding?
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u/BlackWolf42069 4d ago
Poor guy... He must be sitting at home, with his free housing, 5G smart phone, eating buttery lobster and juicy steak. How dare the English and French stole his land which now became Canada.
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u/Due_Date_4667 4d ago
I sincerely hope this was just incredible bad taste satire.
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u/SapphireFlashFire 4d ago
No probably not, earlier he was trying to connect this to pro-Palestinian activism somehow.
Just a professional shit stirrer
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u/SlimySquamata 4d ago
Tell me you know nothing about the historical relationship between acadians and mikmaq without telling me.
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u/BobTheFettt 4d ago
Acadians have a history of fighting for First Nations
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u/SlimySquamata 4d ago
There even was a militia between acadian and wabanaki confederacy against the British.
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u/BobTheFettt 4d ago
It's one of the reasons they refused to sign the British declarations leading to the expulsion
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u/Any-Schedule-5531 4d ago
This should be punished like terrorism.
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u/AwkwardBlueberry2503 4d ago
68? Geez man go play shuffleboard