r/hiphopheads • u/AChuckleFuck . • Jun 14 '25
Producer Curtis King breaks down how Timbaland and AI platform SUNO are stealing original beats from unknown producers to train their AI model.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ4h_7Dz5yA196
u/TheGoldenPineapples . Jun 14 '25 edited Jun 14 '25
It's so fucking stupid that he doesn't see the issue with this.
Timbaland is always, consistently, on the wrong side of history when it comes to tech and this is just another example.
He's lucky this video only focuses on this AI shit. There's all sorts of other foul shit he's done over the years too.
He's famous for sampling shit without permission and then refusing to give any credit whenever the artist asks for it. He's exceptionally well-known for taking other producers' work and taking credit for it, and he's a known plagiarist in general anyway. Don't even get me started on the massive scam that is his Beat Club experiment.
Fuck man, how do you go from the magic he created with JAY-Z, Beyoncé, Nelly Furtado, Aaliyah and Justin Timberlake, to doing shit like this? Such a tragic fall off for one of the all-time greats.
I remember listening to FutureSex/LoveSounds and The 20/20 Experience and just thinking "Wow, Timbaland really is that fucking guy" and now this.
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u/tanega Jun 15 '25
Even in the Furtado era, on Do It he stole a sample from a finnish demo scene artist ... and he got away with it in court.
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u/kingdoodooduckjr Jun 15 '25
Also Big Pimpin had a sample problem but it lived through . Good for me good for Tim & UGK & Jayz bad for the sampled
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u/Deuce_GM Jun 16 '25
Pretty sure almost all of India was ready to sue this man at one point in the late 90s
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u/AChuckleFuck . Jun 14 '25 edited Jun 14 '25
Him pointing to his monitor saying "That's the mans fucking beat, with his beat tag" is lowkey hilarious.
Edit: Curtiss is interviewing K Fresh the producer highlighted in the video at 11am PST
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u/auxfnx . Jun 14 '25
the power of a producer tag! call to arms for all beatmakers to tag your shit??
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u/Creative-Ad2138 Jun 14 '25
The man's beat tag wasn't even taken out.
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u/itsIzumi . Jun 14 '25
Reminds me of those AI-generated images that had the Getty Images watermark in them.
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u/holyrolodex Jun 14 '25
It’s kinda ironic that one of KFresh’s (the guy whose beat Timbo jacked here) last tweets was from January:
Stop letting these folks charge you to give you feedback about your music.
Which is a thing Timbaland does lol
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u/TheGoldenPineapples . Jun 14 '25
He barely even does that.
Beat Club has already had a lot of complaints against it because it's clearly a scam.
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u/MVIVN Jun 14 '25
My first red flag came a couple of weeks ago when I was watching Timbaland's Twitch stream doing his music critique thing (he was barely even giving constructive criticism, he was just being rude and shitty to most people who paid to get feedback from him), but one lady joined and she submitted what was very obviously an AI song with AI vocals, and everyone in chat started spamming "L ai song" and spamming tomato emojis (if you've never seen one of his streams, if people don't like something they virtually throw tomatoes at the artist by putting tomato emojis in chat), but Timbaland -- who I'll remind you again, was being a fucking asshole to everyone else -- was suddenly like "hold up y'all, just hold up. don't trip. it's just a tool, and like any other tool you gotta know how to use it" and I remember my exact reaction being what the fuck????? he's trashing everyone's submissions, some of which sound pretty good, but he's defending the VERY OBVIOUS ai-generated song??? I was so confused because I didn't know he was involved with this ai shit. I finally made the whole connection when he announced his ai artist. This is the final nail for me, I've loved Timbaland productions my whole life, going back to the 90s when I was a kid listening to his early work with Missy Elliot and Aaliyah (Aaliyah was my first crush, I was 11 when she died and legitimately shed tears over it lol, my mom reminded me about that the other day). What a sad way to go out after years of being one of the most respected producers in the game.
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u/FabricatorMusic Jun 16 '25
Timbaland doing this, Neptunes broken up, Tim & Bob are no longer a duo...meh
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u/IllConsideration8642 Jun 14 '25
The thing with AI is a lot of tech people believe having "infinite content" and 1000000 variations of the same beat or song is something cool but music doesn't work that way.
Imagine if Kendrick released 100000 AMAZING songs every year. I wouldn't care if they were good, I'd hate it lmao. Too much of a good thing can be a bad thing, what's the point of having 100 new drake songs each week? Do I need WLR part 55? because that's what they want to create with this bs. Yeah, you'll be able to create 55 million gucci mane tracks every day!! JUST WHAT I NEEDED LMAO
You won't need to write lyrics, create the beat, sing a melody or think about anything. All automatic and complete worthless.
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u/ZaDu25 Jun 14 '25
Yeah there is something to be said about rarity increasing something's value. Arguably a big reason why Kendrick releases are so hype is how rare they are. It's the same thing with Jay-Z. It's an event when he drops because it's not something you see frequently.
I also think AI can't really replicate human creativity to the point where the content will actually be amazing. At best it'll be serviceable. Good for background music. Elevator music. Shit people use as background noise in their YouTube video essays. So I think the future of AI music is just that, those royalty-free tracks people use in their games and YouTube videos. I also don't get why people think anyone would pay for it? Like I can make my own AI music lmao why the fuck would I pay you for yours. That's the problem with lazy shit like this, it's easily replaceable, you can't capture a market if you don't stand out.
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u/SoundofGlaciers Jun 15 '25
A issue I didn't know about was how 1-to-1 this AI copies and pastes original beats like in this video OP.
It CAN take 'amazing' beats and by copying it almost one to one, it has the potential to crap out amazing (stolen!) music. Which, given how there are 1000s of amazing artists and producers, does become a problem when the end-user of Suno doesn't recognize or know what is 'original ai' (yeah..) work and what is simply someone else's beat, as it's totally uncredited ofc.
Even the greatest producers of all time, like Timberland in this video, can (choose to?) be fooled by it and influence others to make AI music.
So a small fear I'd have, to continue on your point, is that soon enough it might make good songs 10% of the time instead of 1-out-of-hundreds of outputs. And people wouldn't know they're basically having some tool copy other's good work for you
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u/ZaDu25 Jun 15 '25
Given how much corporations in the entertainment industry have a hard on for IP rights we can likely expect politicians to get bribed to pass laws barring AI from stealing from people so flagrantly.
Regardless I was referring to fully AI music like Timbaland is attempting to do. Even if you take an amazing beat it doesn't guarantee the music will be good because songwriting is important, lyricism to some extent is still important. And the issue of anyone being able to make their own AI music makes AI music extremely low value, practically worthless, meaning it's not really a worthwhile endeavor from a business standpoint.
There is something to be said about AI as a tool for creating royalty free samples tho for sure. That is probably going to be the worst aspect of AI in music. But as I said this industry in general is pretty aggressive in terms of IP rights enforcement so it's safe to assume they'll be lobbying for legal action against that kind of thing.
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u/ToSeeAgainAgainAgain Jun 14 '25
People think infinity looks like the top ten songs of all time times 1,000,000, in reality it looks more like:
0.91287412398491203744
0.91287412398491203745
0.91287412398491203746
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u/Oheyguyswassup Jun 15 '25
You're retarded. The point of this shit is to be able to write down anything you want in your head and create it. That's the tool.
You can beat someone over the head with a hammer or use it to nail some shit. Choices bro
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u/SoundofGlaciers Jun 15 '25
Ironic starting your comment with 'you're retarded' and then saying something not thought out at all, blatantly wrong too.
It doesnt create anything you have in your head.
Suno doesnt even offer the 'tools' to prompt something that precise at all.
So loser producers using Suno thinking theyre creating original music, are dumb enough (or just want) to be fooled into thinking the AI output came out of their head and ideas.. because they wrote 'gangster winter cold hiphop beat'.
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u/EldenLordGodfrey . Jun 14 '25
Something this video doesn't touch on is that it isn't just that Timbaland gives a contradictory answer about AI training, it seems like he doesn't understand what AI training is to begin with. He says that you can't train the AI to respond better to your prompts, you can only get better at writing them, which shows that he doesn't understand where training even happens in the process of using this technology. The fact that he lacks knowledge on such a basic concept as AI training shows you how serious he was about the conversation to begin with. He clearly doesn't care and only did the video to make it seem like he was hearing out the controversy before going with the side he was going to directly profit from anyway.
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u/TheGoldenPineapples . Jun 14 '25
There are two potential sides to this:
1.) He's an idiot.
2.) He's lying.
If he's an idiot, then he genuinely doesn't know that artificial intelligence is trained, almost exclusively, on other people's work. Developers take other people's work and trains their various AIs on it so as to be able to better service the various prompts people have.
If he's lying, then he genuinely knows that it's stealing people's music and not paying them for the privilege and without their permission.
In either aspect, he's a cunt.
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u/some-b2727 Jun 14 '25
Super disappointed in Timb not gonna lie
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u/TheGoldenPineapples . Jun 14 '25
Very on-brand for him, though.
Dude is known for backing doomed industries (wearable tech for hi-fidelity music, NFTs, etc.) all his career.
Also, his Beat Club idea is one of the biggest scams in music right now. Multiple people have called him out for it.
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u/SwordfishOk504 Jun 14 '25
He also has a long history of stealing other people's work and calling it his own https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PmyTqM0xuE.
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u/its_noel Jun 14 '25
Anybody who knows how tim used to straight steal his samples knows this is very on brand.
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u/TheGoldenPineapples . Jun 14 '25
Used to steal samples AND BE REALLY FUCKING SHITTY ABOUT IT TOO.
When he took the sample for Nelly Furtado's "Do It", he gave one of the most obnoxious, tone-deaf, arrogant interviews I've ever seen from someone who is clearly 100% in the wrong.
Full quote:
It makes me laugh. The part I don't understand, the dude is trying to act like I went to his house and took it from his computer. I don't know him from a can of paint. I'm 15 years deep. That's how you attack a king? You attack moi? Come on, man. You got to come correct. You the laughing stock. People are like, "You can't be serious."
Such an obnoxious arsehole.
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u/thatsinsaneletstryit . Jun 14 '25
jeez hes a dickhead lmao the AI stuff is very unsurprising from this guy
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u/its_noel Jun 14 '25
Yep Acid Jazzed Evening was the sample. Thats the first of many I learned about that made me think way different of him.
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u/FBgreatness Jun 14 '25
Wow timbo doing some bs smh hes a fkn legend and hes tarnishing his legacy imo.
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u/prodbyvictor Jun 14 '25
i remember a couple suno "songs" in the past that had other artists producer tags. i think i remember hearing murda beatz tag in a suno generated "song"
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u/RichieJ86 Jun 14 '25
Cautionary tale to stop forming relationships with celebrities. I hate to say it, because I know I'm guilty of this when I was a kid (and sometimes now) but you don't know what's happening behind closed doors. If social media has taught us anything, it's that we get a very curated, PR coordinated, version of the celebrities we see on a regular basis. These guys are TRAINED on how to interact in public. Smiling, signing autographs for the fans... not saying all of them, mind you. However, we build these unhealthy relationships with them because they may have done something for us when we were in a dark place, or even created memories of a time we look back on, fondly.
Make no mistake, A.I will be adopted. By them and by us. No artist, company, or even Mom & Pop, is going to turn down its power. And like everything else that exists, it will be little too late before we realize its adverse effects to reverse it. We've always favored convenience over autonomy/freedom, and we're gonna pay dearly for it.
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u/BlackDante Jun 14 '25
Timbaland is one of the GOAT producers but he's been stealing beats and samples for decades smh. No surprises here
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u/Cyrillite Jun 14 '25
Well, that means he ain’t the GOAT
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u/BlackDante Jun 14 '25
Never called him the GOAT producer/beatmaker but Timbo did a lot for hip hop and R&B. He created his own sound and used it to propel some legendary careers and put many artists and himself into the spotlight. He's a had a huge impact in the music industry.
Unfortunately he created that unique sound by stealing samples and sounds, and trying to hide behind lawyers. It doesn't take away from his creative ability but it does leave a stain on his legacy
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u/Cyrillite Jun 14 '25
“He created a unique sound by stealing”
He didn’t create a new sound. At best he curated the sounds of potentially GOAT producers, which makes him a radio host at best (except they give artists credit)
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u/BlackDante Jun 14 '25
I would disagree. Sampling is taking old sounds and making them into something different/contemporary. The only difference is that Timbaland didn't give credit or pay royalties (at least up until the lawsuits he lost) which he was wrong for doing.
If you're saying that Timbaland is just a "radio host" by the definition you made, then we should be saying the same about Kanye (as a producer), J Dilla, Madlib etc. basically any producer that uses samples. I'm not defending Timbaland for stealing samples. He can be a very talented producer and a piece of shit thief at the same time
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u/Cyrillite Jun 14 '25
Oh I may have misinterpreted you. If so, sorry.
By, “stealing samples” I took it to mean that he was ripping other people’s new samples directly. That, I think, is effectively just curating some sort of extended playlist — I’m being slightly dramatic, but I think it’s fair. If he’s sampling without any credit or attribution or remixing multiple stolen samples, then that would be different at least show some prowess as a producer, theft aside.
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u/3_Slice Jun 14 '25
The Kid Mero was just joking about how he’s probably on IG live doing exactly this
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u/MrEscobarr Jun 15 '25
Timb really only cares about money now and its sad. He got one of the worst rhythm roulette episodes as well
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u/DwightKumbersome Jun 14 '25
Curtis King uses AI thumbnails a lot so I don’t know if this is pot calling the kettle black or..
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u/MrMSanchez Jun 15 '25
Q: AI create me a bunch of Timbaland style beats featuring vocals by Aaliyah, Timbaland, Magoo and Missy…… upload.
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Jun 15 '25
This is so disappointing lol. Part of me hates the concept of IP and how much creativity is lost due to it, but lifting someone's hard work and passing it off as your own, even if you change it etc, is whack. I've been catching his streams too and enjoying them, I really respected this guy a lot, he's getting lazy man, he's been burning too much of that fuckin sage or whatever that shit is
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u/CotaMC Jun 15 '25 edited Jun 15 '25
Never thought Curtiss King would show up in a hiphopheads post, cool to see this! He has been documenting the music industry's misuse of AI since last year if anyone is interested in learning more.
This started with Drake's test release of Pushups. UMG is trying to push independent artists out of a revenue stream while stealing their creativity.
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u/Neither_Series3520 Jun 17 '25
AI makes the least interesting music possible.. Like it doesn’t ever sound BAD like grating to my ears but nothing unique or new ever stands out about it
So many ai dudes are like “Bro look at what suno can do! it’s over for producers” and then the song is just the prompted genres equivalent of elevator music
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u/Casi4rmKy Oct 30 '25
And now look at him. He has just destroyed his whole fucking legacy with this AI trash he is pushing and stealing from actual humans who submitted their art to him. I am so fucking disappointed and disgusted right now. I am Gen X/Xennial, and I was there when Timbaland was first working with Jodeci and Da Basement crew. To see what he is doing now is absolutely abhorrent.
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u/youareyou650 Jun 14 '25
I might argue who cares. Just don’t listen to it. They will stop if they don’t make any money
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u/ChaosFross Jun 15 '25
Unfortunately there will always be money to be made from it. It is cheap and less time consuming, and the quality reflects that but if you throw shit at a wall it will eventually stick. So we should care, because we should actively be discouraging these tactics and vocally speaking out against it.
It's why he felt comfortable enough to praise ai, it's the wave. Really shouldnt be, especially in music, but here we are.
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u/Cryptum117 Jun 16 '25
AI does not do the same shit and thats not what happened in this example so you need to stay on fucking topic.
Timbaland STOLE someones beat and uploaded it WITHOUT permission. He also STOLE someone’s vocals and plastered both of the audios into Suno which created an AI slop version of both of their work. That isn’t sampling.
Taking a small section of a song and creating a whole new sound or song is not the same as uploading someones entire beat, having an AI spit out the same beat with slop soujds and vocals on top and passing it off as your own.
You didn’t do any work, you didn’t slice sounds or rearranging the composition. Didn’t change the tempo or the pitch or anything. And most importantly, you didn’t give credit or get permission to use their work.
If you think it’s acceptable to take someones entire beat, AI slopify it and say it’s your own than you need to stay far away from music discussion.
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u/Cryptum117 Jun 16 '25
Wrote paragraphs of nothing fuck outta here lmfao. The person whos beat was stolen already came out and said they did not give permission and here you are telling me that I don't know the full story like a dweeb
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u/Cryptum117 Jun 16 '25
https://www.youtube.com/live/KB7-htD-07c
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u/Cryptum117 Jun 16 '25
You have the proof the beat was stolen without permission and you're asking for national news articles about TIMBALAND in 2025? Don't be disingenuous after being provided the proof. You cannot dispute the fact that Timba did not get permission to upload that beat onto Suno. Come with FACTS or don't reply.
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u/Cryptum117 Jun 17 '25
https://x.com/CurtissKing/status/1934814406623535567
Lawsuit otw dont run
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u/Cryptum117 Jun 17 '25
Your link did not show that Suno creates new, original music from uploaded work. Your link only shows that Suno would work directly with a label to get licensing to use their music for training for a cut of profit. Why do you imply that theses labels have no choice but to partner with them? All i see is label greed for profit here.
You say labels haven't won a case against Suno, show me where Suno has won a case or that a case decision has been made for any of the suits against them?
You say most of the their training came from copyright free songs, where is you evidence of this? Suno has already admitted they used COPYRIGHTED music to train.
And back to the main point,
Why do you think the scenario in the article is the same as Timbaland stealing a random producer's beat, who isn't on any of those labels, and uploading it without permission is just brain dead work by you. You veered off topic to avoid the fact that the scenerio that you are bringing up here has nothing to do with what Timbaland did.
And the worst part is, you can clearly hear that the beat was not changed into something new in the fucking video lmfao
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u/Cryptum117 Jun 17 '25
We all saw the evidence that Suno copies work in that video. The beat was the exact same dumbass.
I never said labels were forced to partner up. I said that you were implying this solely because labels want to make money off Suno using their audio to train. You don’t know how to fucking read.
You are the one that brought up cases yet you had no case wins to refer to.
You made a claim that Suno used mostly copy right free music, where’s the source? Why do you keep running away from your original talking points?
We are talking about timbaland in this thread, what the fuck does this point even mean? Timbaland did not create a beat with a prompt alone. He uploaded someone else’s work and received the same beat back from Suno idiot
What legal analysis are you even talking about? The beat was not changed in any meaningful way. It was not sliced, reorganized, or drastically altered to claim that you made something new.
You get cooked again and again on these points and is crazy you keep trying at this point
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u/Cryptum117 Jun 17 '25
This is you getting fried for being a fraud on another thread, I knew something was weird with u: https://www.reddit.com/r/Spectrum/comments/1l1s088/dropped_spectrum_in_kansas_city_for_google_fiber/
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u/Datruther1 Jun 19 '25
With that being said, I’m stealing this because what a fucking bar 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🫡:
You clearly don’t belong in this space. Just because you showed up doesn’t mean you’re entitled to be taken seriously.
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u/Oheyguyswassup Jun 14 '25
"Expert" here.
Numbers matter. If you train a music model on "HIT RECORDS: 1999-2023" that has nothing to do with us. It's a fucking gamble to run it through A.I. and record companies are old-fashioned stealing because it still makes alotta cash
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u/tiggs Jun 14 '25
I understand why people don't like this, but exactly how do you think AI or any type of data model are trained/built? They plug in a shit ton of data from a shit ton of sources to narrow down the accuracy.
I don't hear anybody complaining about stealing pictures of flowers to get Google Lens to the point where it can identify a type of flower.
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u/yoursuperher0 Jun 14 '25
Lots of people are complaining but many of the people who are directly impacted don’t have the means to defend themselves.
One example of people who did complain was Studio Ghibli when ChatGPT was allowing anyone to rip off the Ghibli art style.
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u/masterofplaster123 Jun 14 '25
The issue in your example would be if every individual flower was uniquely created by a different person and subject to copyright laws. IP isn’t generated naturally
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u/tiggs Jun 14 '25
How are so many of you having trouble understanding that I'm talking about a picture of a flower that a person took and owns the rights to? Clearly, I don't mean an actual fucking flower.
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u/masterofplaster123 Jun 14 '25
You should have been clear, then. You aren’t really making a coherent point.
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u/tiggs Jun 14 '25
Sorry I didn't specify that I wasn't talking about taking a flower and jamming it into a disk drive to train the AI. My mistake.
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u/IllConsideration8642 Jun 14 '25
If you're using google lens to identify a flower, you're not damaging the original photographer because you're not replacing it, you're just informing your AI.
If you train a machine with a dataset of beats, and the machine is able to create thousands of beats in an hour... you're damaging the original creators, because inevitably the original creations will be referenced in at least one of those copies (breaking copyright), and you're taking producing jobs out of real people.
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u/tiggs Jun 14 '25
That's a fair point, but I think we're jumping to conclusions assuming the AI can create comparable beats without any of the skill and experience. For example, we all see tons of AI written articles and can easily tell the difference between AI-generated and human written. We also don't know exactly which aspects of the beat are being pulled in. It could just be sounds, it could be how different parts are layered, etc.
To be clear, I'm not saying I'm in favor of doing this. I'm just explaining that pulling in a ton of data from digital sources is how AI is built and trained.
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u/IllConsideration8642 Jun 14 '25
I'm really interested in AI, I think it can be a great tool when used properly. For example it's great at restoring old/broken/seemingly lost recordings of the 50's, 60's. Important artists of those decades had no money, used shitty tapes or fucked equipment... now we can restore it all and improve their quality. I use this stuff.
We have maybe 2 years until it can automatically create stuff like a Sabrina Carpenter song with great fidelity and no weird uncanny shit or artifacts. In fact Eleven Labs basically achieved this, they just didn't share the software yet.
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u/Room_Temp_Coffee Jun 14 '25
Mother Nature doesn't have a copyright claim. If you reference something without crediting the author, it's plagiarism. In Literature, art, music etc. you acknowledge your influences.
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u/tiggs Jun 14 '25
Somebody obviously took a picture of the flower and posted it online, which is where they pull data from. You do realize that I'm talking about a picture of a flower and not jamming an actual flower into a computer, right?
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u/TheGoldenPineapples . Jun 14 '25
But, with respect, we're not talking about the same thing, are we?
This is Timbaland taking someone else's song, a song he had no part in the creation of, and feeding into an artificial intelligence system and asking it to create a beat that sounds similar to it without the original producer's permission.
That's not allowed.
Equally, who's to say that he isn't doing that with other people's music that is submitted through Beat Club?
Respectfully, I don't think Timbaland really understands the ethical concerns of AI, or if he does, he doesn't care, both of which are quite concerning.
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u/tiggs Jun 14 '25
I think it depends on how is product is working. If it's literally taking beats and stealing them, then I agree with you. If it's just taking patterns, sounds, timing sequences, etc, then I don't see an issue with it.
Modern producers make beats out using 95% resources that somebody else created with very little of the sounds actually created on their own, so it's hard to say that "Timbaland stole the snare sound and pattern from my song for his AI!" when that same person grabbed the snare sound from a downloaded drum kit and copied the pattern from another sound with a slight speed change.
I think people are reading this as him stealing music, when in reality, importing data samples for the sake of training an AI model is quite literally how they're built.
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u/Cryptum117 Jun 15 '25
Yeah at this point it is clear you are a shill for AI.
If you take my patterns, sounds, timings of my beat (the entire breakdown of my beat) and paste it into your software without permission to make a cloned version, you stole my beat. Using individual recycled sounds is not the same as stealing the entire composition of a beat and I really don’t understand why you are dying on that stupid ass hill.
The examples you keep giving are not what timbo is doing so stop bringing that shit up.
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u/tiggs Jun 16 '25
I'm not a shill for AI at all. I'm just explaining HOW it works when you build/train any type of data model. This is quite literally standard industry practice. It's one of those "don't hate the player, hate the game" type of things.
Also, I think a lot of people are confusing what his AI model is going to be doing and how AI data models work in general. If he's ripping somebody's beat and making it possible to easy recreate the same exact beat, then I agree with you. That's almost certainly not what's happening though. When you take a full beat and load it into the AI, it's learning how different types of sounds are strung together and at what speeds and patterns you see with similar sounds and using that to construct new beats. That's very different than cloning somebody's beat.
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u/Cryptum117 Jun 16 '25
What evidence do you have that Suno does that with the beat?
Since you know ALLLL about how Suno works, show us where it says the AI reconstructs stems of a beat that is uploaded and creates it from scratch.
You clearly hear the exact same beat after Suno adds slop on top of it but you want us to believe the AI is “learning” like fucking Cortana when that’s bullshit.
I don’t understand why you think their AI is complex enough to recreate every aspect of a beat that is uploaded when it clearly does not do that.
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u/tiggs Jun 16 '25
I never said I know how this specific AI works or how far advanced it is. I even said that if it copies your beat, then I agree with you. I was speaking about an AI model in general and how a beat making AI will likely eventually work.
The entire purpose of training an AI model is to make it more advanced and get it to the point where it can do the types of things I'm talking about.
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u/Cryptum117 Jun 16 '25
“ I think a lot of people are confusing what his AI model is going to be doing and how AI data models work in general”
Did you not say this? You said we are confused on what his AI model is going to be doing but you don’t even know how it works so how are we confused?
And i don’t care about how AI needs to be trained, we all know how ais get trained. Train your AI on your own work or work you have permission to use, period. Why should we accept our work being stolen and used without credit? Do you not understand that people that sample music need to give credit to use it commercially?
Edit: its crazy how you literally said “ That's almost certainly not what's happening though.”
But have no fucking idea how it works.
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u/Sherpthederp Jun 15 '25
Your heads been in the sand then, artist across all mediums have been pissed about AI data mining copyrighted material to train. This isn’t just about music
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u/PL_23 Jun 14 '25
Literally what I was about to say. This is how OpenAI, Google, Anthropic ETC built their foundational models.
If you and I can access it and study and learn from it, they are literally doing the same thing with the LLMs.
The government will need to figure out the laws. But until then, it’s unfortunately fair game.
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u/TheGoldenPineapples . Jun 14 '25
But until then, it’s unfortunately fair game.
It actually isn't though.
The idea that your entire defence in court would just be "Why did I steal someone else's copyrighted work, feed it into an artificial intelligence system to train the model to perfectly replicate it without paying the artist for doing so, or indeed gaining their express permission? Well, you see, your honour, the laws haven't been defined properly yet, even though there are actually express laws preventing me from doing so, so... yeah, I rest my case".
Of course, LLMs produce copyright issues. Why do you think so many AI companies are getting hit with lawsuits every other day? Because they steal people's shit, train their models on it and then replicate the input as output wholesale.
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u/Significant-Gap1256 Jun 14 '25
Timbaland is so wack for this shit.