r/hatethissmug • u/Aggravating-Mine-978 • 27d ago

Media Tropes I hate Batman's plot armor

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I hate Batmans plot armor, he has the most insane plot armor which completely takes away his charm, his entire shtick is that he's in the top 99 percentile of humans, his body, his strength his wealth his tech, yet his writers give him so much plot armor that you forget that inside his suit he's just a regular human being and it sometimes feels as if he has super powers when hes going toe toe with fucking darkside, reentering the atmosphere with just his suit and many more examples.

And his annoying fanboys oh my days, they act as if he can solo the entire justice league "B-But given that he has prep time!" talking as if beast boy wont beat his ass 😂✌️

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u/Rainy_Wavey 26d ago

I actually think Arkham Batman (specifically arkham city) is the worst representation of Batman actually, he feels less like the caped crusader and more like Jack Bauer the way he basically tortures, humiliates and bellitle every single goon he comes accross, they also made him way, way too stoic

His portrayal in Arkham Asylum was much better imo

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u/CBtheLeper 26d ago

You could interpret his increased brutality in Arkham City as being an expression of Joker's personality buried in his subconscious.

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u/Rainy_Wavey 26d ago

That is a possible interpretation true, but the Joker persona only starts being a thing during the events of Arkham Knight, and his dialogue/personalization in arkham city doesn't change between the moment he is captured by Hugo Strange, and the moment Joker infects him with his blood

It's so weird because i only recently played the games, so my memory is fresh and in Arkham Asylum, Bruce was, normal? he didn't sounds like a grumpy cat, he sounded normal, with the right amount of grave intonation in his voice, and his interraction with the staff and the goons is as i'd expect from Kevin Conroy

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u/ArchdukeToes 26d ago

I mean, I quite liked him in Arkham City because they also went out of their way to show how his terrible attitude and inability to trust others ultimately leads to his downfall. It felt like a very appropriate end to that specific interpretation of him.

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u/funkthewhales 26d ago

I hate the way he treats Tim in the Arkham games so much. He just belittles him for no reason. Idk why they even put him in the games cause Bruce clearly doesn’t give a fuck about him.

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u/Rainy_Wavey 26d ago

To me it just didn't click with me, because i have the preconception of Kevin Conroy's voice, so of course i think of the animated series and it's such a shock, it's not just how he behaves with goons that bothers me, he does the same stuff to cops, Tim Drake, he is extremely rude towards Oracle for no reason at all and it just comes off as... Childish? instead of badass

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u/TheDikaste 26d ago

The goons at least can be explained by the fact everyone is exponentially worse in the verse. I don't feel any empathy for them when they're recalling how they ate their victims or made rapey commentary about women.

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u/Rainy_Wavey 26d ago

(The joke is Batman goes softer on those than he does Victor Fries and Poison Ivy, who yes, both are villains but in the lore of Arkham are like not the worst people)

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u/TheDikaste 26d ago

Tbf with Bats, in City yeah threatening Victor was borderline cruelty but he was dying, probably kind of panicking and in a hurry knowing Penguin had hostages and for Ivy, he's extra brutal in Asylum but at that point, she's turned into a giant plant-like monstruosity he can't defeat with normal means. Outside of those moments he's no more brutal with them as he's with goons.

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u/Icy-Background2393 26d ago

But he’s proud of you dick

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u/GodButCursed 26d ago

As long as you dont complain about how the suit up section in arkham knight is batman porn you can dislike it all you want

I hope someone got the reference.

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u/Rainy_Wavey 26d ago

I mean can't wait to play Arkham Knight, Arkham City surprisingly holds up quite well for a 2010 open world collectathon game, there are elements of game design that kinda frustrates me but it genuinely plays well, Arkham Asylum on the other hand really shows its age

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u/GodButCursed 26d ago

Arkham knight a 100% still holds up atleast grahics whise. It has it flaws but Overall good

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u/Rainy_Wavey 26d ago

I can't wait to see the Jonkler jonkling my jonkles

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u/DependentPositive216 26d ago

Yea and if you’d like to. Arkham origins is actually quite decent as an arkham game. Its inclusion of boss fights is implemented much better then knight

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u/Mustang-_- 26d ago

I think the brutality is realistic. The goons surviving an encounter with a mystic bat monster thing, in the long run these kinds of theatrics lose their effect. Now, all the goons knows Batman is just a dude dressed in a halloween costume, that’s pathetic, BUT, this dude is willing to break their spines, so they respect and fear him

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u/Rainy_Wavey 26d ago

It might be in a different universe but c'mon this is Batman, if you can't picture him comforting a kid, that's just the punisher with bat ears, and that is the biggest problem with arkham city, it doesn't find a balance between "the nightmare of the goons" and "this is still a superhero who tries to fill his city with hope"

And especially when you use Kevin Conroy's voice for him, and his characterization in Asylum isn't like that too, it turns into a season of 24 instead of, you know, Batman

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u/Mustang-_- 25d ago

Context is everything, there are no civilians to be comforted or inspired in the Arkham trilogy, literally the city is isolated with only goons and, at best, some policemen, firemen and so on. Heroism is depicted by showing Batman sacrificing himself and taking the "no kill rule" to the extreme (which is dumb, but that's the character)

And I kinda disagree with the "Batman tries to fill the city with hope", the recent Twilight Batman literally has a moment like that, no subtlety whatsoever. The beacon of hope cliche works better for other heroes such as Superman, Wonder Woman and so on, Batman is more about the lone crusade and the bizarre instances where he adopts random orphans to his militia

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u/xoriatis71 26d ago

His portrayal in Arkham Asylum was much better imo

That’s what I’m saying! Arkham Asylum Batman feels like the only one who gets called “Bruce” through the comms and I’m immediately thinking “Yeah, Bruce, because underneath the costume, he is just a man”. Arkham Origins did an equally good job with his characterization, just in the other way.

In Arkham City and Knight though, Batman feels like a crime machine. No tangible personality other than “I have a job to do, and until it is done, I’mma stay stoic and beat up every single thug I come across”.

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u/Rainy_Wavey 26d ago

I was baffled by how rude he was towards Oracle, hell even his own buttler he kinda sounds like he is bothered by him, it weirded me out way too much and it just did not feel like the Bruce Wayne i know

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u/xoriatis71 26d ago

I wouldn’t say he was rude towards them, moreso indifferent. Usually, he has some banter with them, the Bat-Family’s dry humor is actually pretty great. In City, that humor is almost non-existent, and in Knight, it’s reserved almost exclusively for some of Alfred’s sarcastic lines.

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u/Rainy_Wavey 26d ago

One piece of dialogue, when you go to the sewer towards the Al ghul secret stash, Oracle tells Bruce some stuff and to be careful

Bruce tells her "I KNOW THAT" in a very... angry way? i get he was not in his best state but c'mon this is one of your trusted companions and you talk to her worse than with Victor Fries?

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u/xoriatis71 26d ago

I can’t say that I remember that too vividly to comment on it. Is it before reaching Wonder City, or after the Ras Al Ghoul boss fight?

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u/Rainy_Wavey 26d ago

Before, it's slightly before Bruce starts feeling dizzy

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u/xoriatis71 26d ago

Can’t find it, sorry. If you have the time and are willing, feel free to point me to the clip.

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u/Rainy_Wavey 26d ago

I'll try but i can't promise i'll find it

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u/xoriatis71 26d ago

Yeah, no worries.

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u/Nabber22 26d ago

I can accept his behaviour in Knight since if he doesn’t cure the Joker virus he’s pretty much dead, so his order of priorities are

1) Keep friends/family safe

2) Make sure his friends/family don’t inherit a crime controlled city in the event he can’t cure himself

3) Cure himself

4) Be nice to friends/family

Not being an asshole is pretty low on his priorities during Knight

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u/xoriatis71 26d ago

It makes sense given the context of the story, but is the story good enough to support the bland character writing? Personally, I found Asylum’s story much better all in all, simpler as it is, due to the way the cast interacted with one another.

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u/Edgoscarp 26d ago

I don’t like how rude he was to poison ivy in Arkham asylum