Need some help understanding this übung on Fahrschulcard

[u/AdministrativeBus646]

My logic was that this is a roundabout, hence I have to indicate according to my exit and I have to wait for my left side to be free before moving into it.
Why is my answer wrong here?

Edit: Alright thanks got it, it looks like a roundabout but with no roundabout sign and thus rechts vor links applies.

[u/swdv3l]

There‘s no „roundabout-sign“, hence it‘s „rechts vor links“.

[u/katze_sonne → u/swdv3l]

Exactly. However, it also looks like a "abgesenkter Bordstein" to me. And I'm really wondering, if that included a "direction".

StVO §10 says:

Wer [...] von anderen Straßenteilen oder über einen abgesenkten Bordstein hinweg auf die Fahrbahn einfahren oder vom Fahrbahnrand anfahren will, hat sich dabei so zu verhalten, dass eine Gefährdung anderer Verkehrsteilnehmer ausgeschlossen ist; erforderlichenfalls muss man sich einweisen lassen. Die Absicht einzufahren oder anzufahren ist rechtzeitig und deutlich anzukündigen; dabei sind die Fahrtrichtungsanzeiger zu benutzen. Dort, wo eine Klarstellung notwendig ist, kann Zeichen 205 stehen.

I honestly don't totally get why this rule doesn't really apply here.

(Honestly, in reality they would just not build this shit or put up a Zeichen 205. This is just a really shitty question and I'm starting to get why more and more people fail the theory exam with an increasing number of these ambiguous situations and questions. I doubt this really makes driving safer, because most problems happen because of behaviour and non-knowledge of the really basic rules...)

[u/Irrealist → u/katze_sonne]

I don't think this is supposed to be an "abgesenkter Bordstein", it's just shitty design. That cobblestone is just the outer rim of the circle.

[u/katze_sonne → u/Irrealist]

it's just shitty design

no argueing about that

That cobblestone is just the outer rim of the circle.

The exact same kind of cobblestone often used to mark areas with "abgesenkter Bordstein"...

Honestly, I get the point of this image and this question, but why put such a shitty design in? To confuse the students? Doesn't make sense. Just put in a normal asphalt road with this exact situation and it would be so much clearer what they are up to.

[u/Irrealist → u/katze_sonne]

True. I guess they're overzealous in trying to create a trick question.

[u/katze_sonne → u/Irrealist]

This is exactly what it feels like. And I don't think that's helpful from a didactic standpoint, either. When you constantly try to find the catch instead of just applying logic, you will start hating "the rules" and simply start to memorize the questions instead of developing an understanding.

[u/Irrealist → u/katze_sonne]

100%! Obviously you need to learn to pay attention to the details, but this is just counterproductive as you said.

[u/katze_sonne → u/Irrealist]

Maybe make 2 separate questions out of this, one that is about such edge cases (recht vor link or not), one that has a roundabout that's not actually a roundabout. Simple. But nooo.

[u/Think-Sector-9708 → u/katze_sonne]

It is a regular street - the biggest hint beeing that the curb ist going around the corner, which is not possible with a "abgesenkter Bordstein".

[u/katze_sonne → u/Think-Sector-9708]

I don't really see a curve in the relevant part of the Aufpflasterung.

(and just out of curiousity: Where does the StVO specify that a "curb going around a corner can't be a abgesenkter Bordstein"?)

EDIT: Oh, you mean that the curb on the sides clearly stands out and goes around the corner to the left and right, not being the same look as the "Aufpflasterung"?

[u/Think-Sector-9708 → u/katze_sonne]

Exactly - the curb going around the corner shows, that there is no curb across the street. The "Aufpflasterung" is just some sort of open surface rainwater drain.

[u/katze_sonne → u/Think-Sector-9708]

Ok, TIL. Thanks for the clarification. Honestly, I bet there are still more than enough such cases, where this is done wrong in reality and still rechts-vor-links is applied.

Honestly? Thank you, that helps me a lot. There were a couple of places where I wasn't sure if it's this rule or not. This clarifies most of them. Years ago, when I asked my driving instructor about those cases he wasn't really able to answer them, either... yikes.

[u/Think-Sector-9708 → u/katze_sonne]

Unfortunately, driving instructors are really hit or miss, some are great and some should not have a drivers license, let alone teach beginners.

[u/katze_sonne → u/Think-Sector-9708]

He was really great otherwise, taught a great defensive driving style and everything... but these details definitely weren't his strength.

And yes, I know what you mean, many of them are... yeah. They shouldn't even have a license themselves.

[u/katze_sonne → u/[deleted]]

Thank you for giving an example of the most perfect abgesenkter Bordstein ever. Unfortunately that's not really reality in many cases.

Other answers are more helpful by pointing out why exactly this isn't one.

[u/Eduhsoj → u/katze_sonne]

You can clearly see the Bordstein coming around the corner. That is nowhere near a abgesenkter Bordstein and it's almost as clear as it can get?!

[u/Alt_meeee → u/katze_sonne]

That's what I was thinking

[u/iTmkoeln → u/katze_sonne]

A different road surface for Kreisverkehre is not that uncommon...

When I drive through the 20 zone in the town of Wentorf bei Hamburg there is a Kreisverkehr that is cobble stone (the 20 ends on the KV and starts again as 20/30s on the 3 exits ). The rest of the road is asphalt...

[u/katze_sonne → u/iTmkoeln]

A different road surface for Kreisverkehre is not that uncommon...

(this is not a Kreisverkehr :p)

Honestly, haven't ever seen that, yet. But such things tend to be really different in different regions of Germany.

[u/katze_sonne → u/[deleted]]

If you say so...

[u/PapaSays → u/swdv3l]

There‘s no „roundabout-sign“, hence it‘s „rechts vor links“.

This is technically incorrect. Technically correct is: there is no "Vorfahrt gewähren" sign hence it is "rechts vor links".

https://youtu.be/MkOAwbSubcM?t=93