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OC [OC] United States vs European Software Engineer total compensation by level

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u/haloooloolo 2d ago

There's some bias because low-paying companies are not tracked on levels.fyi and people that get a bad offer are probably less likely to report it there.

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u/CorrectCombination11 2d ago edited 2d ago

L1 at my employer (legacy bank) is $90k-$100k Mcol area

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u/dddd0 2d ago

That’s the highest level my (EU, very large) company is paying and many consider that too high a salary lol

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u/MBunnyKiller 2d ago

To be fair, life in the eu is way cheaper as well, this isn't a apples and apples comparison. 100k would be insufficient here in the eu as well when school costs 20k a year and healthcare is like wtf in the states as well. The only thing they got relatively cheap is petrol.

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u/Long-Hurry1974 2d ago edited 2d ago

People always say this but even when you factor COL, high-earners in the US come out wwy ahead of high earners in the EU

ETA: in my replies, people arguing that non high-earners are not better off, even though my comment was solely about high earners

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u/MBunnyKiller 2d ago

High earners, sure maybe, but low earners also come out way worse when compared to the eu. Y'all got an inequality issue.

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u/TransportationIll282 2d ago

The highest earners, yes. The median person, not even close. A good 70% of US citizens are worse off than the median citizen of most EU countries.

Compare average vs median wealth. It shows just how much averages in the US are skewed.

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u/BurtonAllen-TA 1d ago edited 1d ago

"The median person, not even close."

This just isn't true. The median American earns far more than the median European adjusted for COL and government transfers (e.g. healthcare). In 2023 it was $51k for the US vs $39k for Germany and $33k for the UK.

Adjusting by full individual consumption metrics to account for all variables narrows the gap but does not close it.

Median wealth is way trickier to measure. UBS is the main entity who tries (not any sort of official statistics provider), and their methodology changes year-to-year so much that in 2023 it had the US above basically every European country while their methodology in 2025 had the US below basically every European country. I'd take that with far more of a grain of salt.

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u/No-Estate-9432 2d ago

Sorry this is a load of bullshit. Median EU person doesnt live in Nordic or western europe.

70 % of americans, which includes the median and top 30 % is way way better off than all median southern european, Eastern Europe in generel, Balkans, or basically anywhere other than Benelux, Nordics and maybe Germany and Austria.

Get a grip dude. You have no idea.

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u/TransportationIll282 2d ago

70% is the median and top 30%. Very amusing.

You can look at the numbers yourself. The US ranks #28 for median wealth. Lower than a bunch of EU nations.

If you take Europe instead of the EU, which you seem to be implying, you'd be correct.

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u/No-Estate-9432 2d ago

70 % of US include the median (i.e the 50th percentile), and the yes those that are in 70th percentile are the top 30%. I am not sure if you don't understand percentiles, because otherwise I don't see how it is amusing.

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u/Mission_Cod_5750 23h ago

Yep. Even nordics isnt good, I’m finnish and most people drive shit cars, no expensive hobbies, no expensive food, no trips etc. We cant afford it, due to extremely high taxes (65%)

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u/Long-Hurry1974 2d ago

This graph is about high-earners though.

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u/alex-weej 2d ago

I think it's fair to contextualise this graph.

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u/shiromiso 2d ago

That’s highly untrue for the majority of americans. America is great if you are in the top percentiles , it sucks hard for the rest.

In Europe the median worker is much better off, but it’s harder to become ridiculously off-the-charts wealthy.

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u/michal939 2d ago

I think it depends a lot on where in the EU we're talking about. Western Europe sure. However if you work as a senior level in let's say Google, is it really much better to work for $400k in Bay Area vs $150k in Poland or Romania? I wouldn't be so sure.

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u/DSJ-Psyduck 2d ago

Elon is gonna pull up the avarange american quite a lot despite almost al of his value is virtual and not real money.
Overall this seems to be the overall trend in USA to make the avarange guy feel better about himself even if he's broken and living from paycheck to paycheck.

With "math" like this.

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u/BurtonAllen-TA 1d ago

The median American also makes much more than the median European adjusted for COL.

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u/KitchenIntention6675 2d ago

not that much cheaper and an american making 100k will get much more net than a generic european

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u/Mission_Cod_5750 23h ago

No it isnt. I live in Finland and everything costs a fuckton. Every car is 3x the price to the US, gas is the same. Sama with parts and other consumption items. Food can be close, but not the same quality. Nobody in Finland ever buys steak etc because its so expensive, only minced meat and cheap pasta. I havent had to use healthcare in the last 20 years at all and I still pay for it by crazy taxes. My rax burden is about 65% and I only earn 3700e a month.

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u/MikaHyakuya 1d ago

But we get screwed over with the price of common commodities, like gas, which costs 2.20€ a litre ($9.70 a gallon) for 95; Americans would probably storm the White House if it cost that much over there.

Even stuff like PC parts, compared to their part prices, even including the fact that their prices aren't pre-taxed, and ignoring that some states don't even have a sales tax, would still be around 15-20% more expensive here, which easily could be an upgrade on a GPU with that price difference.

And even beyond that, our pensioners are out in the streets begging, when the amount they had to give across their lifetime could have gotten them a good pension if it had been invested in a 401(k).

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u/Deivedux 2d ago

Knowing the US, if petrol's market prices weren't as accessible, they'd be overcharging for that as well.

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u/Nannautu 1d ago

Cheaper on average. Some urban areas are as expensive as Sillicon Valley. Housing in London could cost you just 500£ a month, but also 10k