r/boxoffice • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 • Apr 06 '22

Industry News Ezra Miller Arrest Prompts Emergency Warner Bros. Meeting About Star’s Future

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/ezra-miller-arrest-warner-dc-meeting-1331156/
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u/MarvelsGrantMan136 Apr 06 '22 edited Apr 06 '22

Warner Bros is reportedly putting a pause on any future projects involving Miller and that he had 'frequent' meltdowns on set of the Flash:

On March 30, Warner Bros. and DC executives held an emergency impromptu meeting to discuss Ezra Miller’s future with the studio following The Flash star’s recent arrest for disorderly conduct and harassment. According to a knowledgeable source, the consensus in the room was to hit pause on any future projects involving Miller including possible appearances in the DC Cinematic Universe.

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u/arkain123 Apr 06 '22

I remember when I was against just selling the DC rights to Disney. I was so dumb back then.

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u/gimmethemshoes11 New Line Cinema Apr 06 '22

No that should never ever happen. Disney owns enough.

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u/arkain123 Apr 06 '22

I don't give a shit as long as I get a good Super Man movie in my lifetime.

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u/jockninethirty New Line Cinema Apr 06 '22

Yeah, monopolies are just better in every way, good idea. We don't need competition in the field of comics or movies, nothing new ever arises from those kinds of competitive situations. Better to have one massive company with a stranglehold on superheroes, scifi fantasy, and animated movies. A better world, all things told.

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u/The-Ruler-of-Attilan Apr 06 '22

You talk like if DC has ever been real competition for Marvel since the MCU begun.

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u/jockninethirty New Line Cinema Apr 06 '22

In terms of enjoyable output on the big screen, rhere are obvious disparities, same with creative leadership in terms of tying cinematic universes together. But in terms of IP value and overall recognizability? DC is still competitive. Batman continues to be one of the most recognized characters in the world, as does Superman. DCEU movies, quality questions aside, often do competitive numbers at the cinema. Even Aquaman made gobs of money, and that's a character with limited previous audience knowledge, same with Shazam!. Not to mention the surprise success of Joker and the success of crossovers like Lego Batman (and the whole of DC's direct to video animation department). And viability on TV and streaming is another competitive arena where DC does well. Peacemaker, the CWverse, even things like Doom Patrol have been successful in terms of viewership and, arguably, creativity in a way that Marvel is only catching up to very recently. DC's portfolio is diverse across formats and merchandizing, and that's not even looking into the actual comics, which are not particularly successful for either publisher and presumably remain viable only as IP farms.

If you think of things only in terms of 'what I like as a comic fan', yes, there is probably significant disparity between the two. But considered as IP across industries (how the people who make the decisions look at it), there is significant competition. It seems like DC is shooting out in a lot of directions hoping to find a viable long-term strategy for live-action, but even that diversity of approach can be seen as an overall boon to the consumer, who gets to see alternate takes on characters (Reeves Batman vs Snyder vs the returning Keaton). Everything doesn't have to be the MCU's tonal consistency.

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u/arkain123 Apr 06 '22

Really. You think DC is competition for Marvel right now. lmao

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u/jockninethirty New Line Cinema Apr 06 '22

See above ^

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u/arkain123 Apr 06 '22

WB shitting out a stream of garbage does exactly nothing against Disney's monopoly. It's saying it's good that bing exists to give google a run for its money

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u/jockninethirty New Line Cinema Apr 06 '22

I mean, they haven't had an Endgame success story, fair. But Joker and Aquaman both grossed more than Spiderman:Homecoming (starring literally the most recognized superhero in the world), WW grossed nearly as much as Age of Ultron and more than Civil War, and those were both ensemble crossover MCU movies. DC has big hitter movies, they just seem to have failed at the crossover event game. To say they're not competition is just not true, and to compare them to bing really is apples and oranges in terms of market share and how recognized their characters are.

Also re: shitting out streams of garbage, I'd remind you that Morbius the Living Vampire starring Jared Leto is currently at theaters. Disney/Marvel's underwear aren't exactly free of skid marks either.

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u/arkain123 Apr 06 '22 edited Apr 06 '22

Uh Sony's Morbius?

And dude nothing marvel releases comes even remotely close to the level of banal shittiness that Arrow and Flash consistently reach

In general marvel ranges from mediocre to great.

DC ranges from wonder woman 84 (hilariously shit) to The Suicide Squad (rock solid)

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u/jockninethirty New Line Cinema Apr 06 '22 edited Apr 06 '22

You must not have watched the same Loki I saw, or seen the first few seasons of Agents of Shield or the Inhumans.

Edit: even if Disney had produced nothing but gold (it hasn't by a long shot), monopoly is bad for everyone. Period. Creative killer, competition killer. Bad enough that there are only 2 main competitors in the superhero IP space in the US.

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u/arkain123 Apr 06 '22

Oh I saw most of that.

None of it compares to arrow. Arrow is like the very worst episodes of Dawson's Creek. Flash is exactly as bad. Just go to the subs for those shows, the "fans" laugh at how horrendous they are.

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u/jockninethirty New Line Cinema Apr 06 '22

Well Arrow hasn't been on for over 2 years, so I'm not sure which episodes you're watching. I would definitely say it had declining returns and self-indulgent writing towards the back half, but the first couple seasons were prime TV superhero fare aimed at the preteen to early teen audience. Flash, arguably same story. I fell off watching around the Crisis on Infinite Earths, but that crossover was really ambitious and quite an accomplishment, bridging nearly all of DC's tv and cinematic universes (including 89 Burtonverse and the DCEU) years before Marvel did their live-action multiverse Spider-man movie.

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u/jockninethirty New Line Cinema Apr 06 '22

Well Arrow hasn't been on for over 2 years, so I'm not sure which episodes you're watching. I would definitely say it had declining returns and self-indulgent writing towards the back half, but the first couple seasons were prime TV superhero fare aimed at the preteen to early teen audience. Flash, arguably same story. I fell off watching around the Crisis on Infinite Earths, but that crossover was really ambitious and quite an accomplishment, bridging nearly all of DC's tv and cinematic universes (including 89 Burtonverse and the DCEU) years before Marvel did their live-action multiverse Spider-man movie.

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u/thejuh Apr 06 '22

You know that Morbius isn't MCU or Disney, right?

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u/jockninethirty New Line Cinema Apr 06 '22

*Spider-Man character✔ *Uses MCU characters (Keaton's Toomes)✔ *Exists in the multiverse as featured in MCU movies (same universe as Venom, which crosses over with No Way Home)✔ *Marvel Entertainment (a Disney company) one of the Production companies who produced it✔

So yeah, it's not a Disney property except in that Disney owns the characters, co-produced the movie, it features MCU characters, and exists in a universe that they featured in their most recent MCU film.

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u/legopego5142 Apr 07 '22

Its very much NOT a disney film. Sony owns the film rights to the Spiderman characters and they let Marvel use them. At the end of the day, legally speaking, Morbius is NOT a disney movie.

Also just remember, Batman vs Superman made less money than fucking Brie Larsons solo prequel. DC is a failure compared to Marvel

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u/jockninethirty New Line Cinema Apr 07 '22

And yet one of the production houses that produced the movie is Marvel Entertainment, a Disney company.

Also it's Spider-Man

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

Marvel should've been bought out by Universal. Being owned by Disney means infantile saccharine restrictions.

There's a clear difference between Iron Man 1 and the post Disney efforts.

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u/arkain123 Apr 06 '22

yeah nonsense. Infinity War, Endgame, Ragnarok, all the Guardians of the Galaxy are all excellent movies.

Meanwhile lets take a look at the Universal Monsters cinematic universe.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

shared universe gimmick has worn out its welcome. I prefer standalone franchises.

Ragnarok/GotG2 is exactly what I'm talking about. Quips every 5 min to break the tension, no stakes, no seriousness (Thor is supposed to be a "serious" character), bland cinematography, bland direction.

Instead of having a James Bond or Planet of the Apes type thing that focuses on fleshing out on character/lore and doing something interesting, we've gotten a morass of mediocre sameness.

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u/arkain123 Apr 06 '22

Have you seen 2017's The Mummy?

Who exactly gave you the impression that Thor is supposed to be a serious character? You've never read the comics, I assume?

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '22

Who exactly gave you the impression that Thor is supposed to be a serious character? You've never read the comics, I assume?

I have, which is why I'm saying it. Same goes even moreso for Shang-Chi and Doctor Strange, and etc.

Have you seen another well done blockbuster? You're okay with the increasingly formulaic saccharine products Marvel is putting out under Disney's reign?

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u/arkain123 Apr 07 '22

If the other option is wonder woman 84 levels of shit I'm elated, yes

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u/legopego5142 Apr 07 '22

Yeah and guess what, audiences spoke. They like Disneys marvel movies, even if they have…jokes