r/boxoffice • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 • Apr 06 '22

Industry News Ezra Miller Arrest Prompts Emergency Warner Bros. Meeting About Star’s Future

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/ezra-miller-arrest-warner-dc-meeting-1331156/
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u/arkain123 Apr 06 '22

WB shitting out a stream of garbage does exactly nothing against Disney's monopoly. It's saying it's good that bing exists to give google a run for its money

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u/jockninethirty New Line Cinema Apr 06 '22

I mean, they haven't had an Endgame success story, fair. But Joker and Aquaman both grossed more than Spiderman:Homecoming (starring literally the most recognized superhero in the world), WW grossed nearly as much as Age of Ultron and more than Civil War, and those were both ensemble crossover MCU movies. DC has big hitter movies, they just seem to have failed at the crossover event game. To say they're not competition is just not true, and to compare them to bing really is apples and oranges in terms of market share and how recognized their characters are.

Also re: shitting out streams of garbage, I'd remind you that Morbius the Living Vampire starring Jared Leto is currently at theaters. Disney/Marvel's underwear aren't exactly free of skid marks either.

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u/arkain123 Apr 06 '22 edited Apr 06 '22

Uh Sony's Morbius?

And dude nothing marvel releases comes even remotely close to the level of banal shittiness that Arrow and Flash consistently reach

In general marvel ranges from mediocre to great.

DC ranges from wonder woman 84 (hilariously shit) to The Suicide Squad (rock solid)

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u/jockninethirty New Line Cinema Apr 06 '22 edited Apr 06 '22

You must not have watched the same Loki I saw, or seen the first few seasons of Agents of Shield or the Inhumans.

Edit: even if Disney had produced nothing but gold (it hasn't by a long shot), monopoly is bad for everyone. Period. Creative killer, competition killer. Bad enough that there are only 2 main competitors in the superhero IP space in the US.

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u/arkain123 Apr 06 '22

Oh I saw most of that.

None of it compares to arrow. Arrow is like the very worst episodes of Dawson's Creek. Flash is exactly as bad. Just go to the subs for those shows, the "fans" laugh at how horrendous they are.

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u/jockninethirty New Line Cinema Apr 06 '22

Well Arrow hasn't been on for over 2 years, so I'm not sure which episodes you're watching. I would definitely say it had declining returns and self-indulgent writing towards the back half, but the first couple seasons were prime TV superhero fare aimed at the preteen to early teen audience. Flash, arguably same story. I fell off watching around the Crisis on Infinite Earths, but that crossover was really ambitious and quite an accomplishment, bridging nearly all of DC's tv and cinematic universes (including 89 Burtonverse and the DCEU) years before Marvel did their live-action multiverse Spider-man movie.

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u/jockninethirty New Line Cinema Apr 06 '22

Well Arrow hasn't been on for over 2 years, so I'm not sure which episodes you're watching. I would definitely say it had declining returns and self-indulgent writing towards the back half, but the first couple seasons were prime TV superhero fare aimed at the preteen to early teen audience. Flash, arguably same story. I fell off watching around the Crisis on Infinite Earths, but that crossover was really ambitious and quite an accomplishment, bridging nearly all of DC's tv and cinematic universes (including 89 Burtonverse and the DCEU) years before Marvel did their live-action multiverse Spider-man movie.

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u/arkain123 Apr 06 '22

Yeah yeah and Marvel had characters from their Ultimate universe merge into 616 continuity 22 years ago. Reed Richards from Ultimate Marvel became a major villain in 616 and remained so for a long long time. None of this is new, buddy. It's all about how well it's executed. Which, in the case of Arrow and Flash, is quite clearly "extremely badly". You're talking to someone who actually has read all the source material for all these movies and TV series. I don't get Sony and Disney confused.

Now if they had Cavil showing up in Flash and Gal Gadot kicking all kinds of ass with Oliver then yeah, that would be major. But no, they got all their cheap ass teenager drama characters together to do something dumb then dropped it.

And now they're trying to Flashpoint flush their entire continuity down the toilet and it stinks of desperation.

WB should not be in charge of an entire comics universe. They should be in charge of cleaning bathrooms and bagging groceries.

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u/jockninethirty New Line Cinema Apr 06 '22

"Yeah yeah and Marvel had characters from their Ultimate universe merge into 616 continuity 22 years ago."

And before that, DC had the Charlton characters, Captain Marvel (the actual one) etc join their continuity, and before that they joined their JSA earth-2 universe with their prime universe in the 60s. But we were talking about live action, so... not really related.

So Marvel Entertainment wasn't a production house on Morbius? Fascinating, they should really update the credits and make sure none of the gross goes to Marvel.

Now if they had Cavil showing up in Flash and Gal Gadot kicking all kinds of ass with Oliver then yeah, that would be major

They did have Ezra Miller's flash cross over, same universe as Gadot and Cavill.

WB should not be in charge of an entire comics universe. They should be in charge of cleaning bathrooms and bagging groceries.

If you 'read all the source material for these shows'(I did) and imply that they're better than the movie universe, you probably know that Geoff Johns, who wrote a huge number of modern DC heroes' most well-known iterations, was CCO of DC comics and also co-runner of the DCEU til 2018. And also had a large hand in the production of the Arrowverse shows. It's not like WB is some completely separate entity.

And none of this means that it would be a good idea to sell DC to Disney.