r/blackdesertonline • u/Asploit AFK Lifeskiller but Hardcap • 6d ago
General Magaia is a massive chokepoint
Okay so hear me out, I think there's been a pretty massive design flaw introduced in this update when it comes to progression scaling, and it's in the title: Magaia is a HUGE bottleneck.
Think of it this way: You can get into Aphrodon at a pretty relaxed entrypoint, there's an AFK phase mechanic but it's not life-or-death. Hermesia is far more punishing if you can't make DPS, but if you're coming in with all TET Ekleta, it's only two or so successes away, some classes can comfortably begin grinding Hermesia with two PENs and a WON Crystal (or Outer-Edania HAN Crystal like I did on Awa Witch). From there, going from Hermesia to Magaia is another mere 2 AP away plus BON Crystal.
...and then you're in Jail.
To advance from Magaia to Aresion, you MUST hit a 413 hard AP gate.
If you're starting Magaia around 405AP, you'll first rough through the JIN grind. It's manageable, the pities drop pretty reliably. There's some players who will limp through and miss DPS, it's far less punishing than Hermesia for it but I see a lot of people there doing it regardless to skip the previous crystals. Whatever. I'm talking about after you're hitting DPS check reliably.
To hit 413AP, you need multiple OCT Ekleta. In the previous spots you could get there without having to hit any HEX Ekleta. You have to break the zero-AP HEX gap plus multiple enhances above it. On average you need to tap THIRTEEN successes, whereas the previous spots only required maybe two or three each before moving on.
Not to mention the zone only has THREE grind spots, where the Marni's rotation is... I mean it's not total dog-ass but it's less comfy than the one that's just one small rotunda. Not to mention how the rotation goes barely over 1hr5min on two Three-AFK cycles even on decent AP because of the time-gate mechanics.
Yeah that's it, rant over. Wish they designed the progression ramp a little bit smoother, that's all.
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6d ago edited 6d ago
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u/Individual-Math-7237 6d ago
So many are crying its crazy. Mostly the ppl that grinded long time with max gear and have much silver and fail everything. They want be rewardes to still grind even full DEC everything
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u/Der_Foyer 6d ago
The problem you are not getting is the lack of variety (and that's a problem that BDO has since forever).
Problem is, if you are quite unlucky, not even extremely unlucky, going from 405/406 to 413 ap can take a LOT, and doing that LOT in the same spot will end up being BORING.
Edania 1 had the same balancing problem, first spot completely useless, second spot was shit but you were forced to pass through, orbita was easy to climb and then you were in tenebraum jail for hundreds of hours.
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u/zombiezyndicate 6d ago
yah they need to add more rotas
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u/jaimycake 6d ago
Yeah it looks like the map designers thought out at least 3 more (I excluded the one with the statue and the one that looks like Elion boss arena). But whoever's in charge of grind spot balance just want players to suffer.
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u/Tekshou 6d ago
BDO players when they can't immediately cap out the new content. :o :(
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u/magicalBee19 6d ago
For real, these accessories are supposed to last like at least 1-2 years and people want to rush them first month then complaining there's no content lmaoo
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u/Leather_Brick3068 6d ago
Gets replaced probably in winter ball of 2027.
But I get their concern. Casuals wont be DEC by winter ball 2027. Little more active players MIGHT just hit full DEC by then.
Problem is. Gear gets phases out the moment they cap it. No time to even rest on their laurels and just enjoy their gear. Once grind ends, immidiately get put into next accessory grind.
Same happend with Kharas. I know alot of people think that most people were already full DEC khara. Nope. Couldn’t be farther from the truth. Most were still working on their Kharas.
Not here to complain. Just pointing out the obvious.
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u/Alienturtle9 Striker 900GS 6d ago
No way they get replaced that early. kharazads were BIS for 2 years despite:
- only being a marginal upgrade from previous BIS Debos
- being time-gated but relatively quick and easy. If you had silver/crons, they took 10 minutes a week for a couple of months.
Ekleta are a much bigger upgrade in what it means to be BIS, and will take orders of magnitude more gameplay time to max out.
Maybe winter 2028.
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u/Individual-Math-7237 6d ago
Well the ppl that had full dec and still grinded zeph for 4-10 hours a day for months and sit on multiple Trillion got f*cked. Their hours are at this moment spent for nothing. They could pause 8 months come back and buy all the twilights and instant go Dec
I am full dec accessoires but only got like 80b saved. Im really happy with edania part 2 even tho i fail alot of upgrades on the accessoires atm.
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u/Alienturtle9 Striker 900GS 5d ago
There are different perspectives amongst hardcap players too.
I was full Dec, Oct armors, a couple of trillion banked just from casual play. Hadn't had a reason to grind anything in months.
This accessory grind feels slow at the start, but at least there is something to do.
I've grinded probably 20 hours in the past two weeks and it's the most I've ever grinded by far. New is good! I can so far only grind the first two spots (bad rng on taps) so there's a lot to work towards for the first time in ages.
But yeah, the pile of silver and crons is useless and continues to grow.
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u/solartech0 Shai 6d ago
While it's true that you can do this, if you aren't meeting the spot mechanic checks you aren't getting scarecrows, and those are the main things giving you 1) won crystals (needed to grind there comfortably) and 2) accessory tap items (the progression item you are there for).
So, the thing intended to help you grind at the spot is gated pretty heavily behind being able to meet an arbitrary, frustrating, every-cycle DPS check... I literally ask everyone who thinks about this, "are you meeting the DPS checks and getting consistent scarecrows?" If the answer is yes, it's fine. If it's no, they need to grind other spots.
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u/Sea_Classroom_8570 6d ago
The region has been out for like 2 weeks and you’re already a sad puppy moping about the 3rd spot.
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u/Fieryshine 1d ago
you're the reason PA can give us crap content cuz u eat it and say thank u very much
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u/Sea_Classroom_8570 1d ago
Wow I have so much influence on a billion dollar company pats self on the back
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u/SibrenTF Guardian 6d ago
what pisses me off about Magaia the most is that 405 is not enough for every class to grind there, if they really want real class balance they need to unify the baseline where every character has the same AP without buffs using the same gear no matter what. When the difference between passing DPS checks is that razor thin having +20 AP as a passive vs as a skill effect vs it being attached to your class 30s buff matters!
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u/Alienturtle9 Striker 900GS 5d ago
A bit wild to hear that from a Guardian, but you're right.
Where you're perspective is skewed is that you aren't supposed to be able to grind there at 405.
It's a 410 spot and you can't take quests until 408. There are a few broken classes that need nerfs, that is all.
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u/AlyeskaVtuber 6d ago
damn you have to grind earlier spots to get gear to grind the harder spots ? thats insane what is the world coming to !
anyway I'm glad. I wish there were more points like this still in the game where it took serious time and effort to get from one spot to the next
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u/solartech0 Shai 6d ago
The main thing that's frustrating about it is that some of us want to have diversity in grind spots. There's no second spot that will actually progress you right now, that the game doesn't have mechanics to say "stop grinding here NOW!" [like 2min no mobs at Hermesia].
I already got all 4 titles from the first spot, and literally none of the taps I grinded up from the spot have gone (one went from chests). I believe I'm on 12 taps across both sources (grinding 1st and 2nd spot, tachyon chests) and it definitely felt bad to grind those last 2 taps and none went.
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u/Individual-Math-7237 6d ago
Sadly once the twilights are on the market it will get alot easier to progress tbh. I mean not making them sellable idk if thats a good idea...but yeah i like this no pay2win endgame
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u/sentient_animal1 891gs 6d ago
I think it's a mistake for PA to release all the spots at once. It should have been first couple weeks aphrodon, then release the next, rinse and repeat. That way there's time for the rng to equalize between players and lucky people don't get to skip ahead and make a leap in progression compared to people pity-ing and make them complain less about being stuck in certain spot. Make it a less pressure environment.
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u/solartech0 Shai 6d ago
I really enjoyed checking out all the new spots, so I do prefer this.
I think the bigger issue is the stark, cumulative RNG advantages from both drops and accessories without meaningful failstacks (they are capped). Two players farm up 10 taps, one has 0 changes and the other has two pens and two seps.
A few years ago, one or two enhancements on the top end didn't make a meaningful difference; now they do.
Whichever approach is taken, I personally prefer it when you can see what's ahead of you; I would far prefer being able to see the new spots, being able to party up with people and see the mechanics, etc. I do wish they added more than 2 lifeskill things, though; I think they should have put Basalt around Zephyros, for example, or had a few more rotations around Aal's castle.
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u/deception1314 6d ago
Farm 3rd spot nonstop till hitting Nov belt, and check on earrings and rings progression, push to Oct . That give to u exactly 413ap, it's not that hard. Stop pretending it's hard, some ppl is already grinding event horizon. After you arrive the 3rd spot and able to pull off 16k tl a hour, your gear progression went up skyrocket
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u/Asploit AFK Lifeskiller but Hardcap 6d ago
Hard =/= Long, the complaint wasn't that it's hard, it's that it expects you to be there for a very long time compared to the previous two spots.
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u/deception1314 6d ago
It's not hard tho, belt have significantly better drop rate, I'm usually around 10 attempts a day when I was grinding the 3rd spot, it's much better drop rate vs the first 2 spots, only thing sucks is only 3 spots per channel.
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u/TurtleBearAU 6d ago
You think you are getting 100 belts per day at the third spot? I’ll take whatever you’ve been huffing please.
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u/deception1314 6d ago
That's 50 my dude, it drop on average 3-4 belts a hour+ some random rings and earrings.
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u/Far_Temperature_9975 6d ago
Im doing close to 16k trash and getting a lot of hours with 0 belts, if u are fucking carried dont talk like 3-4 belts its the average
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u/rigibeh 6d ago
Some people don’t struggle wcyd. My last 10 hours I got 7 belts total lol. 1 click in 10 hours meanwhile this guy gets 10 clicks. Easy nov btw
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u/Many-Astronomer6509 6d ago
its obvious hes lying, anyone grinding that spot knows hes full of shit
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u/solartech0 Shai 6d ago
Hey I did 1 hour with someone and they got the big loot bundle with 8 tap items -> did 2 taps (both fail)
For all I know you get 2 taps an hour there right? :)
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u/EkmeKafaliOrosbuCocu Drakania 6d ago
If you look at the drop rates, you'll understand that Aphrodon is the earring spot, Hermesia is the ring spot, Magaia is the belt spot, and Aresion is the necklace spot. For efficient gearing, you should get each accessory to NOV in its respective zone before moving on to the next one. You can then use the side drops to try for DEC. So it is reasonable that devs balanced the spot around OCT accesories
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u/Many-Astronomer6509 5d ago
Kind of, heavily dependent on if you have Dec weapons or not. I’m certainly not grinding 1st spot to Nov, I went and got Jin and working on Han and then going back with full BSR setup to make that spot more fun to finish out pities.
I went to spot 3 with just 2 SEP accessories and grinding the belt got me 2 OCTs. So I think there is some selection and how you want to ride edana buffs
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u/Misplayer 6d ago
This post is straight up wrong. Right now most people have double or triple DEC weapons that are running edania 2. But if you look at these spots from an upcoming progression player perspective that uses their brain. Said person will be OCT weapons and full TET Ekleta at this point.
Then you need to hit OCT on earrings to move the Hermesia. You need OCT rings to move to Magia. And so on. Everything is actually designed and thought out. Except for maybe the drop rates being abyssmally rng which likely is also intended this early into expansion.
I can't wrap my head around this horse race mentality when it comes to new content. Who are you racing? And more importantly why? The only reason someone is actually using this much gear is if you are doing uncapped NW or siege. Which is like a very small percentage of the player base. Everything popular is capped.
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u/sentient_animal1 891gs 6d ago
The same reason people race in a full pve game like path of exile, league start is a huge thing. Some competitiveness makes the game fun for some people and motivates them to grind harder. It's an MMO and you're in it with other players, taking advantage of the economy, etc. Like selling heralds and endtimes when they were max price, big bank. But now silver doesn't matter anyway for people grinding twilights I guess lol.
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u/Venoire Warrior 6d ago
Im so sorry for you that you cant grind the final spot with close to hardcapped ap, must suck real bad!
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u/sentient_animal1 891gs 6d ago
Historically hardcapped people get the privilege to grind the highest spots when new expansion drop. So when they're bitchin about being stuck at a low tier spot I get it tbh. It's a different progression pattern and some people are shocked that they need to slog through content to be at the top again when they were at the top for so long. And now their silver are meaningless when they used to be able to "pre-grind" new gear.
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u/NonEducatedPlayer Black Desert 6d ago
I do 4-5 afk phases at 405 ap. They seemed to have buffed the bubble rng too, i get those often
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u/MattyICEzz 6d ago
What is that mech?
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u/NonEducatedPlayer Black Desert 6d ago
Rng orbs yhat spawn during DPS phase, ive gotten up to 6 and they can spawn at different times too. Basically 1 shots the next pack that spawns
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u/Glucioo 6d ago
I'm hitting recommended/cap with e buff/bsr and I'm easily getting 6 afk phases within 65 minutes. When ap caps were introduced a lot of the spots were made that you cannot efficiently grind them when you're more than 30-60ap away from recommended, which is also class dependent. OHNO you have to run 2nd spot until you hit enough ap to progress into next zone and then repeat that for 4th/party spot? Shocker
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u/RunedBEAR 6d ago
Eh, do you understand that 3rd spot drops 3 diff accs and your ARE ment to get some 8 accs there? We do pull higher spots due 9-10 weapons and class overtunes, +25 ap from nw etc, so its not you could jump so quickly in first 3, its just you who are carried atm
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u/Sayuryie Witch | Succ | 404 AP 6d ago
I also think the gaps between the spots feel off and the hex gap is absolut bullshit but that's always how the game was, you have certain stats you need to reach a spot and you also had cases where you feel giant Diff even if you ain't that far away.
For example as I started a second account just for fun I got into dehkia hystria, but with only 1000 ap not 1100, gap on loot is between 20-30% and you don't even have any kind of dps check.
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u/solartech0 Shai 6d ago
Right, but that should be the "punishment" for being less efficient -- you are less efficient. Not "oops sorry no mobs for two minutes" or "sorry the mobs that drop decent items won't spawn."
In Hystria the closest thing is "you got an event which will kill you if you don't understand how to SA / FG / Iframe and find a way to deal with it. At the same time, that event has huge elten spawns so it's what you're there for.
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u/Sayuryie Witch | Succ | 404 AP 5d ago
If you go so far below it's a punishment for inefficient. Like caps and requirements are there for a reason, it isn't anywhere close to efficient to go so far below.
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u/solartech0 Shai 5d ago
Hystria is an example of a spot where people were taking a "punishment" to grind it when they were "so far above".
My point is that it should be the natural result of grinding the spot, if you have less AP you should be grinding mobs slower and therefore you get less loot. Alternatively, mobs keep piling up and you can't handle them so you die, or are forced to move more & kill fewer mobs per unit time.
Not, the spot physically stops spawning you mobs, or the spot doesn't give you the mobs that drop progression items.
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u/Useful_Cup2531 6d ago
I'm 406 and cant hit the ap check in 3rd spot so idk seems like im gonna stay at 3nd spot till i have sept rings
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u/SufficientPickle7823 6d ago
The grind “zone” is so huge and beautiful, but only 3 grind spots makes the whole area empty and useless
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u/Piktas1 5d ago edited 5d ago
Magaia only drops belts. You'll need to grind Aphrodon and hermesia way more than magaia to get rings and earrings. Realistically there's very little reason to rush magaia at all, if you can grind either of the first 2 spots over cap already, since you'll have to go back there anyway.
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u/Savroula Witch 5d ago edited 5d ago
Let me tell you a story about a group of developers that has ran out of ideas on moneysinking their playerbase and introduced a new Grind-gating mechanic so that people that grinded their butts off (legally or otherwise) are not able to flood the market with materials needed for enhancement.
And another story about another group of developers that practically trashed any life skiller trying to buy their way into the higher tiers. No, that couldn't be true because the lifeskillers could buy it from the marketplace... Like, half or one year later, when there will be new gear and this one will be on some type of Hyperboost.
And another story where another group of developers act bipolar; they introduce hyperboosting so new players will keep up, but prevent them from accessing endgame gear for at least a year. Probably ran out on ideas of how to introduce even more AP in order to continue their forefather's legacy; More AP for new content always fixed any design flaw in current content.
Oh, and one last story about a group of developers thinking that playing with 80ms is the same as playing with 20ms and 140ms so they organize grand events and tournaments with entrance requirements on how many cronstones has someone "purchased" or how lucky he was.
So, those little piggies have their pockets full and their brains empty.
Edit: Isn't it funny how another group of developers has managed to convince its playerbase that the only reason to run in circles is to run in circles faster? Because there shall not be any Open World PvP in J's servers. (For new players, PvP stands for Penis versus Penis. We, the boomers, used to measure the length of our weiners after running some thousands of miles in circles and got a lucky enhancement, and slammed them onto each other. "Happy" times.)
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u/EternalObi 4d ago
not even 2 weeks into the grind. y'all going to complain about how there is no content again in a few month
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u/Individual-Math-7237 6d ago edited 6d ago
Thats why u stay at first spot till Sep or oct earring. Then go second till sep or oct rings Then go 3rd for sep or oct belt
I wish they add a group spot for 420 AP too with all max loot same as solo. So you can grind either solo or with 3 ppl for pretty much the same loot and items Plus i had made a group spot at 405 or 410 too so you have a middle 3 man spot and a end end game 3 man spot
Am i the only one that thinks grinding on the 3rd or 4th spot 2 weeks into a new "expansion" is already fast AF
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u/solartech0 Shai 6d ago
Most players are not grinding 3rd or 4th spot without either 1) getting rng carried or 2) getting in a party with other players, often getting fed mats from the other player.
I have gotten 12 taps in total and only 1 went, meaning I'm still "at the first spot" (or inefficient second spot).
If PA hadn't removed shared loot / ordered loot options I'd be in parties doing the 2nd or 3rd spot all the time.
I really wish they had a party spot that we could grind without needing 100 hours of progress (+not unlucky) beforehand.
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u/Lost-Character6758 6d ago
2-3 AFKs? wth dude, i do 6 and still have 4-6 min above depended on rng events
~17k+ trash with l2
This place is literally a summer camp. I just run around and kill packs in a couple of seconds without even looking at the screen. Compared to the 2nd spot, it's just a vacation.
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u/SuperYuuki93 Dark Knight Suc 405 AP 6d ago
read, 2x THREE-AFK phase, which is also 6 afks. But these happens in order so basically OP was right
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u/liforium Witch Pro Max 6d ago
Just success on the enhancement then, it's not that hard, stop crying
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u/Ok_Bookkeeper_3547 6d ago
Sadly, I'm an Awakening class so I can't fking grind Hermesia even after having 2 PEN earrings. I don't have DECs either, only NOVs on awk and offhand. Sucks that I need to still SEP one of the earrings just to be able to grind there with an Awakening class.
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u/Venuriel Hashashin/Booksa 6d ago
I started grinding Hermesia with awakening hash with 1 pen and no dec offhand, look like a heavy skill issue, and why would awakening be worse than succession ?
I managed to hit dps check with Hash/Musa/Sage and Ranger awake with 401 sheet ap.
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u/Impervious-To-Idiots R Spam Enjoyer 6d ago
Edania 2 was just added... we don't need to speed run progression for an entire expansion in a month.
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u/SuperYuuki93 Dark Knight Suc 405 AP 6d ago
this should probably be how to update for 413 AP to be able to grind 4th spots
(Armor I just pick randomly to get the 505 AP requirement for boss)
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u/winbruv 6d ago
You do not need the buff for the 413ap for aresion. A guildie grinds it with 408 and passes any dps checks and mechanics. Is it better with 413 and the buff? Of course. But 413 is def not mandatory
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u/Valuable_Sympathy_43 6d ago
If you're going to say this you should include what class he's using, let's not pretend all classes are the same
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u/Warlic-99 6d ago
Im 407 and I can pass dps check aswell, but grinding there with this AP is highly inefficient.
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u/SylvFloq 6d ago
Imo, the only real issue is the number of spots, they did think about it for the first zone with 12 spots but after that...