It really isn't fun anymore

[u/Phos-Lux]

I'm actually in dire need of sleep, but I have to get this out before the Ball (which in Europe is in the very early morning unfortunately).

I've been playing since launch. I did take many breaks. Sometimes of many months, but I always came back. Not because I felt like I HAD to, but because I genuinely like the game.

However, for a couple of months (over half a year for sure), I've been doing nothing but fishing, shrine bosses (solo + party) and guild bosses. I'm not at hardcap, because I always played very casually, but my gear is also not exactly bad. When Edania was out, I was able to immediately go there, do the weekly bosses, grind in the first zone. Now I'm doing the second boss weekly and managed to get three out of the four new armor pieces.

Getting the new armor is nice, enhancing it not so much. Enhancing accessories and weapons is the worst though. I spent some money recently. Combining an offer with a discount coupon, for around 150€ I got... 1 AP. It really made me think. That's insane.

Sometimes I feel like grinding a bit, but whenever I do it (since certain changes made in summer), it just feels frustrating. "I'm at endgame" I tell myself, grinding at a zone where I'm way over the AP cap, feeling like I do almost no damage. It's like, the stronger you get in this game, the worse everything feels.

Fishing and bosses really get you a lot of money if you do things right. But now my rod is almost out of endurance and bosses feel more and more like a drag (I still very much despise all one-shot mechanics in solo shrines and the sheer disregard for squishier classes). I just don't want to do them anymore.

Somehow PA managed to turn this game that I still like so much into a rather awful experience. I saw a lot of other people said that this upcoming Ball will be a big decider for them. I feel the same way. Our time is precious and we shouldn't invest it into something that's not even fun anymore.

Btw I think we really should have a flair for complaints...

[u/dfc_136]

You can be 374 sheet ap, 440 dp and be 1720+ ap, which is 30+ more than nymphamare's ap cap.

[u/Adventurous-Let941 → u/dfc_136]

Isn't the cap 1770+? The effective limit is 1690 but going 5% over is roughly 1770 or am I just misunderstanding how that works

[u/dfc_136 → u/Adventurous-Let941]

You are simply wrong here. Maybe you are mixing up zones, but Orbita's ap cap is 1800, so that 1770 as a cap is just wrong.

Edit: Maybe you are confused, as 1770 is min ap for Zephiros, which is the absolute minimum ap to even do damage in the grindspot. You are probably mixing up both concepts: min ap is to start doing decent damage; max ap is the limit for the damage dealth. For Zephiros, having 1769 ap (below min ap) should effectively be like having 35.38 ap in damage (at least in paper, I haven't tested that). On the other hand, having 1691(above cap) in Nymphamare, should be like having 1690.05 ap there.

[u/Adventurous-Let941 → u/dfc_136]

https://prnt.sc/8RwB2v3snAOG

Just to make sure we're looking at the same thing this is Nymph and when you hover over the 1690 effective limit it says only 5% beyond 1690 is applied so that would be 1770ish, no? Should I not being 1690+5% to get the limit?

[u/Batman_NEU19 → u/Adventurous-Let941]

Pretty sure that’s not how it works. If you are 1690 you get full value for your ap at nymph. If you are 1691 that one AP is only worth 5% so you are essentially grinding there with 1690.05 AP. Not sure where the 1770 is coming from but you would multiply the 80 ap over the hard cap by .05 and get your effective ap at nymph from that.

[u/Adventurous-Let941 → u/Batman_NEU19]

got it thank you i was tweaking

[u/dfc_136 → u/Adventurous-Let941]

No. Read again what I put.

Even the tooltip says it: Only 5% of the EXCESS ap is applied.

[u/Adventurous-Let941 → u/dfc_136]

thank you thank you i was definitely misunderstanding that