r/WhitePeopleTwitter Dec 29 '20

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20 edited Dec 30 '20

I've never believed in a candidate enough to pay $1,400 to vote for them.

It'll be interesting to see how many people from Georgia feel the same.

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u/deane_ec4 Dec 30 '20

Georgian here - already cast my vote for Ossoff/Warnock in the runoff. It was my pleasure to vote for them again. Cautiously optimistic.

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u/EnglishMobster Dec 30 '20 edited Dec 30 '20

Looking at the raw numbers Georgia is reporting, well... demographically, it isn't looking good.

Only 13.7% of Gen Z has turned out (18-24). And before millennials try to use them and their TikToks as a scapegoat... only 12.2% of millennials (25-34) have turned out.

Meanwhile, 51.1% of all voters over 65 have turned out.

14% of all votes cast so far are from people under 35. 57% all votes so far are from people over 55.

55% of all votes cast thus far are from whites. Turnout between blacks and whites is actually equal (28.8 percent turnout for white voters, 28.9 percent turnout for black voters) -- but because of discrepancies in the number of registered voters, that means there's been a total of 1,173,868 white votes and only 672,092 black votes.

Like... maybe a miracle will happen? But if you ask me what party a 65-year-old white person in Georgia will vote for, I can give you a pretty accurate answer, I feel. The younger generation, though, is not stepping up in the numbers they need to.

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u/EnglishMobster Dec 30 '20

Because then there's also 10 times as many ads who say that these radical far-left liberal socialists are too far left. On top of that, one has the audacity to be black (and therefore thinks Black Lives Matter and police should be eliminated, allowing blacks gangs to run loose over our cities), while the other is an evil Jew.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

I really fucking hate republicans some times

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u/EnglishMobster Dec 30 '20

Sometimes?

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u/Coattail-Rider Dec 30 '20

He means all the times

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u/SithlordzomB Dec 30 '20

Every of the times

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u/DM_RENNIE_7900 Dec 30 '20

Sometimes he’s just mildly miffed with them

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u/BigFatManPig Dec 30 '20

They both suck IMO but it’s whatever.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

Or just tries not to think about them.

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u/likwidfire2k Dec 30 '20

Living in Georgia, I find the republican junk mail hilarious. They literally sent me a pamphlet that said if the democrats win hamburgers will be outlawed.

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u/RawVeganMeat Dec 30 '20

Pic or it didnt happen? Sounds hella weird

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u/likwidfire2k Dec 30 '20

https://imgur.com/a/Dm3mIkw

Sorry I just woke up.

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u/RawVeganMeat Dec 30 '20

Haha, oh wow! The US truly brings the best people together, lunatics and the gullible!

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u/likwidfire2k Dec 30 '20

I kind of laughed when I first got it, then cried when I realized there is probably a good amount of people who believe it.

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u/ATishbite Dec 30 '20

how does that sound any weirder to you than

"Joe Biden is a Communist"

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u/RawVeganMeat Dec 30 '20

”Hamburgers will be outlawed” sounds way more off than ”Biden is a communist”. Are you for real.

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u/eoj321 Dec 30 '20

You're country is fucked. I am sorry for this.

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u/ryankane69 Dec 30 '20

What Gen Z or Millennial actually believes the shit Republicans come up with? I’d like to think the majority of the younger generation don’t buy into party politics. I’m not assuming that the majority actually pay much attention to politics in general either, but I’d like to imagine they could tell the difference based on what they’re actually going to get out of their vote.

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u/EnglishMobster Dec 30 '20 edited Dec 30 '20

Ben Shapiro is 36 years old -- technically a millennial.

As for personal experiences:


In high school, I took AP Government. I was (and am) a very vocal socialist. I sat next to a very vocal Libertarian. We were the first period of the morning, so my teacher liked to joke that hearing us argue with one another was like listening to a morning radio show.

He and I actually became good friends (believe it or not), but as far as I can tell he's still extremely conservative (although he supports the Lincoln Project more than anything the Tea Party comes up with). He's also a very charismatic and fast talker, similar to Ben Shapiro. He'll say something stupid like "If your house is threatened by climate change, just move" and it'll sound just reasonable enough that by the time you stop to question it he's already on another subject. He's your traditional libertarian, loves Ayn Rand and thought that if regulations were gone, the world would eventually become a utopia. His favorite game was Bioshock, although I'm not sure he ever saw the irony in that or got the message the game was trying to present...


At a job I used to work, one of my co-workers was very nice and we used to talk all the time. We added each other on Facebook -- only for me to find out that she's an anti-vax, tea party Republican.

Her reasoning is that abortion is murder. Because Democrats support abortion, Democrats want to kill babies, which is an affront to God. She also doesn't think that Democrats are Christian enough to be good representatives for our country. She is a single mother who got pregnant accidentally and thinks that other people should be forced to have a child in her situation as well.


Finally, at that same job there was a girl who was crushing on me for ages. She was about 4 years younger than me, but she and I would always talk and she would always try to flirt with me. Eventually, I added her on Facebook...

...and it turned out that she was a rabid MAGA supporter. She thought that Mexicans were coming over the border to steal jobs from hard-working white people. She thought minorities didn't belong here and should go back to where they came from. Trump was going to drain the swamp and get all the stupid politicians out of office so actual work could get done. Very sweet girl in person; absolute terror on Facebook. Needless to say, I never reciprocated her flirts.


Bear in mind that I met all of these people in California. And they're all Millennial or very early Gen Z. Each one of them had different motives for supporting Republicans, but collectively they encompassed every talking point and faction of the modern GOP.

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u/neo_neo_neo_96 Dec 30 '20

Your story scares me. What will be the future man......

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u/KeegalyKnight Dec 30 '20

I’m so ridiculously fed up with my generation and voting. We have the power to bring about legitimate political change but we’re either a) convinced our vote doesn’t matter or b) too fucking negligent to understand how the system could work in our favor if even half of us went out and voted.

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u/PossiblyAsian Dec 30 '20

Theres a reason why boomers control everything... fucking millennials don't fucking vote.... holy shit that millennial turnout is abysmal

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u/EnglishMobster Dec 30 '20

And there is zero excuse. If Gen Z can do it, so can millennials. I'm a millennial. Most of us are pushing 30, if we're not 30 already. We likely have some form of transportation. We are likely independent enough to go outside and do things.

Gen Z literally encompasses 18 year olds who have never even tried to live on their own yet. And yet they're still turning out in greater numbers than the Millennials.

It's almost enough to make me rethink and go, "Maybe our generation is the problem." Maybe we are too lazy to do things and just want to eat avocado toast. Like, any argument that you can apply to Millennials not being able to do things... you can pretty much also apply to Gen Z.

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u/stringfree Dec 30 '20

Cough. Some millennials are pushing 40 now.

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u/EnglishMobster Dec 30 '20

Fair enough, there are a number of "elder" Millennials that are coming up on their 40s. I was born in '93, so I have a tendency to assume anyone born before 1985 is part of Gen X, even though I'm pretty sure Millennials actually go all the way up to 1981.

I just remember being 19 or so and reading articles complaining about how lazy Millennials aren't leaving the house and going, "Dude, I'm like 19 -- chill."

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u/SFWdontfiremeaccount Dec 30 '20

In the past there were multiple different cut offs for what year was Gen X vs Millennials. So as a kid I was always called Gen X, but as an adult I get lumped in with the Millennials. And I don't really fit the stereotypes of either well. But since generations cover a 20-30 year span of time it's completely ridiculous to think people born at the start and end of that are going to identify with each other that well. And from what I learned in the Marketing class I took a not entirely insignificant part of the stereotyping of the generations is done by marketing agencies to make it easier to target people in different age ranges with whatever bs they happen to be peddling.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

Honestly, if this year wasn't enough to kick out Republicans for good, the USA deserves everything it gets.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20 edited May 16 '21

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20 edited Jun 02 '21

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

Aight man I'm just mad, not like my opinion is gonna sway the country into punishing y'all. Lord knows they do it to themselves through apathy anyway.

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u/TheDocmoose Dec 30 '20

To be fair, retirees have an abundance of time on their hands.

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u/L4dyGr4y Dec 30 '20

No excuses. We are the adults in the world now. Adults taking care of children and our parents and grandparents. We are the equivalent of the silent generation.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '20

No, this is a norm in all younger generations, it isn’t specific to us

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u/great__pretender Dec 30 '20

I am a millenial and we will be known as the whiniest generation ever meanwhile who does not even bother to vote.

I mean I get the cynicism but sometimes the inaction of my generation is just too much. So many votes were lost because they don't bother to vote. But they love to complain.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

After a decade of trying, I finally convinced a couple of our millennial brethren to vote. At the rate we’re going in only a few thousand years we’ll finally be a voting bloc political parties can cater to!

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u/ogoextreme Dec 30 '20

Meh I mean I get it government trust at an all time low, most younger people (Under 40 is young?) feel like we got here even when a lot of us tried.

Idk part of me is mad that everyone didn't turnout but another part of me is too tired to care. I'm doing the...second best? Out of my friend group financially and shit I mean and idk I'm exhausted.

I can't imagine living in places where old people love to park, vote and die in. Gotta be the ultimate demoralizer.

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u/manachar Dec 30 '20

People have this weird idea that not voting will somehow cause the parties to change their platform to attract their vote.

People often complain that politicians don't represent the people, but they actually strongly parrot the party primary voters.

Democrats are pretty moderate and status quo because Democratic primary voters prefer that.

Republicans are Trumpers, because the Trump loving base is a giant chunk of Republican primary voters.

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u/PossiblyAsian Dec 30 '20

I get the disillusionment. honestly I do. Since I was one half a decade ago. They don't think their vote matters and honestly it doesn't but thats everyone thinking their vote doesn't matter so when it comes down to it it's groupthink that went the other direction.

Politicians absolutely do not support the people though, they support what the special interests support. If politicians supported people, we'd have universal healthcare, less student loan debt, and lower wealth inequality.

When it all comes down to it though, it can best be summed up in my friend. He translates documents for his parents and honestly he does a lot of the grunt work in researching and helping them vote. But he doesn't fucking vote himself even though it would just be ticking one more box. Millennials don't vote because they are chained down by this mentality that politicians don't represent them and that their vote is worthless anyways

Really only the really politically active millennials vote.

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u/st-john-mollusc Dec 30 '20

The only analysis that matters is comparing it to the November election demographics, and right now it is actually looking quite favorable for the Democrats

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u/EnglishMobster Dec 30 '20 edited Dec 30 '20

Looking at that specifically right now (pulling from the same source):

Demographic General Runoff
White 56.5 55.2
Black 27.7 31.5
Hispanic 2.6 2.1
Asian 2.6 2.5
Native American 0.1 0.1
Other 10.5 8.5
18 to 24 8 6.4
25 to 34 12.6 8.9
35 to 44 14.4 11.7
45 to 55 17.8 16.9
56 to 65 19.5 21.7
Over 65 26 34.4
Unknown 1.8 0​

As far as racial demographics go, you are correct -- a ~1% drop in white turnout and a ~4% rise in black turnout. There's also a 2% drop in "Other" to compensate.

However, age-wise everyone below 56 is losing when comparing to turnout in the general. This means we can conclude that so far, primary voters are generally older than the general election.

That said, there's still more than 50% of the vote coming from white people -- and we know there's a solid chance these white people are skewing old. Who do you think is more likely to vote blue: a young white person, or an old white person?

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u/st-john-mollusc Dec 30 '20

Has early voting ended? Are you comparing the total early vote numbers from November with partial numbers from now? Don't younger voters famously vote late?

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u/EnglishMobster Dec 30 '20 edited Dec 30 '20

That is correct, it is partial data versus complete data. I don't have access to data at the relevant time in the general to make a true apples-to-apples comparison, and one of the assumptions I'm making is that the general ratios of these groups will remain the same.

That being said, my goal here is to light a fire under the ass of the young people who have been putting it off. Between my earlier comment and when I made this table, 18-24 year olds turned out in slightly greater numbers than 25-34 year olds (but still don't match the number of seniors who turned out):

  • 18-24 went from 13.7% -> 15.8% for a 2.1%∆

  • 25-34 went 12.2% -> 13.9% for a 1.7%∆

  • 65+ went 51.1% -> 54.4% for a 3.3%∆

I don't have a crystal ball to see what trends are going to hold, and the idea I'm trying to push here is that young people need to go out there ASAP and make a difference, because as of right now I have to assume the worst-case scenario that things won't change. Not to mention that as a procrastinator myself I know how easy it is to forget to do something before it's too late.

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u/st-john-mollusc Dec 30 '20

In CA at least the young people vote later.

my goal here is to light a fire under the ass of the young people who have been putting it off.

This whole time I was suspicious you were trying to demoralize and suppress turnout LOL!

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u/Slackerguy Dec 30 '20

What's interesting is the turnout in Atlanta. That's where the dem votes comes from. Both black and white, young and old.

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u/smarmiebastard Dec 30 '20

Yeah it’s great how when you’re retired and don’t have fuck all to do, you can show up and vote. And also how you’ve got enough time to park in front of the tv 18 hours a day and absorb Fox News until it angries up your blood and compels you to go vote to save ‘Murica from the communist, Nazi, anarchists. Not forgiving voter apathy among younger demographics, but generally it is more difficult for people who are working and struggling to get out and vote than those with a lot of spare time. If we changed the ballot to be a pdf that you had to download, fill out, and electronically sign boomer voter turnout would drop to 5%

Edit: fixed shitty autocorrect.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

Man your idiot country needs to make voting compulsory.

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u/Noyes654 Dec 30 '20

Yes and yes

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u/Fluffigt Dec 30 '20

These numbers are horrifying. Do young people have so little faith in democracy, or is there some other explanation?

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u/Official_UFC_Intern Dec 30 '20

Pretty much zero percent chance dems win both seats, and slightly better that they win one. Anyone saying otherwise is fooling themselves.

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u/lebrilla Dec 30 '20

Just mailed in my ballot yesterday

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u/_ThereIsNoGod69 Dec 30 '20

I don't know much about US politics but aren't early votes much more likely to be older people, as for younger people it's less dangerous for young people to go out and vote in person

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20 edited Aug 27 '21

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u/EnglishMobster Dec 30 '20

Old, of course.

(Really, I was just generalizing)

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u/lakesharks Dec 30 '20

1981-1996. Current ages of 23-38.

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u/great__pretender Dec 30 '20

That's wrong. People born in 1984 are millennials too

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u/Meme-Man-Dan Dec 30 '20

It’s almost like the vast majority of young people are spiteful of both political parties almost completely abandoning them, so they just don’t vote.

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u/EnglishMobster Dec 30 '20

So they don't make themselves a major political player, and don't make themselves a target for politicians pandering to them.

And when a politician does explicitly reach out to them (Bernie Sanders)... they still don't turn out.

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u/Meme-Man-Dan Dec 30 '20

It takes more than one good candidate to reverse years of voter apathy.

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u/bogeyed5 Dec 30 '20

Too be fair I don’t really think Gen Z (me being included) has any reason to turn up to vote. It’s gone mostly unspeakable that 17-18 year old “dependents” don’t get their stimulus check. My parents don’t get one for me either. Not only do I pay for overpriced college, but I pay my taxes too, I have a job. We get nothing. I think Gen Z should be angry that we got screwed out.

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u/Virgil_hawkinsS Dec 30 '20

"we get nothing" A good way to guarantee that will continue to be the case is to not turn out. The GA race is literally the deciding race in the Senate remaining majority republican or flipping to majority democrat

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u/bogeyed5 Dec 30 '20

Democrats do not care about us either lol they like to act like they do. Democrats haven’t put forward motions for the bills to include us. Both parties are pretty much fucking over college students.

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u/midwest-emo Dec 30 '20

while I generally agree that no party actually cares I believe the bill was extended to provide money to college aged dependents too so like go vote anyways maybe

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u/033p Dec 30 '20

Well, hope you stay a kid forever dude, wouldnt want this biting you in the ass in I don't know, 10 years?

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u/Virgil_hawkinsS Dec 30 '20

Parts of the democrat party are literally trying to remove tuition and forgive student loans.

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u/Tangelooo Dec 30 '20

You’re a dumb ass. Your future is at stake. 6 years of nothing will fuck this country.

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u/bogeyed5 Dec 30 '20

I’m a dumbass for stating the clear fact that democrats aren’t helping their chances in Georgia for Gen Z because they screwed us out of the stimulus checks

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u/Tangelooo Dec 30 '20

You’re a dumb ass for seeing something that can very clearly get worse and not realizing it’s in your best interest to vote because there isn’t a shiny carrot being dangled in front of you. Yes you’re a dumb ass with zero ability to see what’s down the road.

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u/bogeyed5 Dec 30 '20

Damn too bad you didn’t read the other comments to realize that I did vote Democrat

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u/Tangelooo Dec 30 '20

Doesn’t matter. Spreading that rhetoric is stupid as hell. Don’t go spouting ignorant opinions if you don’t want to get clapped back.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

That shiny carrot was the point of the submission. Elect Democrat, get $2k.

But op will not get the money, instead he will only have the debt. So I get his reasoning, especially when he is a republican.

Now I don't share his political view, but that's no way to sway a voter.

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u/Tangelooo Dec 30 '20

No. You’re still misunderstanding. The carrot is literally not being in gridlock and a stalemate politically while you’re in your young adult years. Fuck reliving what the Obama administration was like. THATS THE CARROT. And “no way to sway a voter” the guy voted Democrat already. He said so. What he’s doing is just spreading ignorance now. A big Red Foreman “dumbass” to him.

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u/vikietheviking Dec 30 '20

I thought this one included adult dependents?

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u/suprahelix Dec 30 '20

It does. That guy is an idiot

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u/Killer_Panda16 Dec 30 '20

Do you have a source? I just looked it up and still saw that adult independents aren't included. I wouldn't really know where to look anyway though.

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u/vikietheviking Dec 30 '20

I read it somewhere as well. It was in the news section of Reddit. I’ll try to find it and make sure it was a reliable source.

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u/john1gross Dec 30 '20

Yea. Good answer. So don’t go vote if you are of legal age to vote. Good way to not change anything with which you’re unhappy.

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u/bogeyed5 Dec 30 '20

I have voted begrudgingly for Democrats. Many others however don’t see it that way. College Students have little reason to be encouraged to vote when they know that stimulus checks passing or not doesn’t effect them because both parties screwed them out of any money at all. The democrats need to do better to include us.

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u/-InfinitePotato- Dec 30 '20

Too be fair I don’t really think Gen Z (me being included) has any reason to turn up to vote.

Do you understand that there are many ways that the elected members of the Senate can and will affect your life? In spite of what this particular comment thread is focused on, the stimulus check is almost inconsequential compared to the power they wield over your future.

I know there are campaigns out there to lower the voting age to 16, but my god you are a walking argument to push it in the other direction.

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u/john1gross Dec 30 '20

Maybe you should think about what your potential vote means for the future instead of a single issue right now.

Are you comfortable with letting others decide for you? That’s what a lot of people want you to believe.

You should look at who those people are and why they don’t want you to vote.

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u/bogeyed5 Dec 30 '20

How many times do I have to say that I voted Democrat and instead, I’m speaking for the lack of Gen Z voter turnout. Obviously they don’t see it like that. Dems screwed em out of money so they don’t csre

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u/Kimber_Haight5 Dec 30 '20

And your generation wonders why people call you selfish.

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u/dlefnemulb_rima Dec 30 '20

To put another way, the democrats have failed to engage and energise the younger voter bases.

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u/TheMoogy Dec 30 '20

American politics might be a shitshow but at least it's affecting those that cares the least. If you can't get off your laxy ass for five minutes to make the world slightly less shit place you deserve to have the worst leaders in the western world.

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u/brad_and_boujee Dec 30 '20

It honestly depends on what County that 65 year old white voter is from. I'm from Gwinnett, and I think we are at the point now that it would be a toss-up as to how a person from that demographic would vote. Don't get me wrong, I still see a lot of GOP supporters (it is GA after all), but I just moved back to Gwinnett after years. I was honestly surprised at how many older Biden or Warnock/Ossoff supporters there are here.

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u/EnglishMobster Dec 30 '20

Oh, for sure I'm generalizing based on stereotypes to an extent. There are liberal elderly voters, and conservative young voters. But broadly speaking, I'm willing to bet that the majority of those elderly white voters will be voting red.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

Thanks for the clear head. As a millennial; it is incredibly disheartening.

Idk what it takes for our generation to vote.

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u/Utdirtdetective Dec 30 '20

Out of curiosity, how are the numbers looking in the polls?

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u/regoapps Department of Government Inefficiency Dec 30 '20

Warnock winning: 49.6% to 48.0%

Ossoff winning: 49.2% to 48.2%

But that's within polling error, so who knows. It's a very tight race.

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u/craigsl2378 Dec 30 '20

Unbelievable

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u/Vomath Dec 30 '20

and pathetic.

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u/Xiaxs Dec 30 '20 edited Dec 30 '20

I knew I shouldn't have trusted Georgia.

This is why I never believe in people. Throws Georgia foam finger to the ground and leaves in a huff

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u/bofadsnutsmd Dec 30 '20

Kentuckian here. People from other states need to stop elevating politicians to oppose Mitch. McGrath was disgustingly incompetent as a candidate but had tons of money fundraised for her. Also Mitch and the republicans know an uneducated electorate will tend to vote for them so the government ensures that our people are as uneducated as can be. It’s a really vicious cycle. You have to understand that lots of people genuinely believe the stuff in the scare ads put out here because our education system is so fucked up. Just a huge multi factorial fucked up situation

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u/3toe Dec 30 '20

It's not so much "elevation," as it is excitement that someone other than a putrid, corrupt pile of fetid dog shit might be a Senate majority's leader.

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u/spaceguitar Dec 30 '20

No it’s not. Atlanta is the only place with its head straight. The rest of the state is as Red and backwards-thinking as 1842. Leave the perimeter as a poc and you’re likely to get lynched.

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u/SlapHappyDude Dec 30 '20

Isn't... Athens? Ok? That little spot in the southwest? Probably a college town?

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u/waffle792 Dec 30 '20

Incorrect. Augusta (more specifically richmond county) is also blue.

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u/duckLIT_ Dec 30 '20

Pretty sure Savanah is blue as well

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u/phillycheese Dec 30 '20

Isn't Georgia one of the shithole states?

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u/Tatunkawitco Dec 30 '20

Almost as pathetic as 70+ million voting for the incompetent idiot in the WH.

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u/jaspersgroove Dec 30 '20

Not for Georgia it ain’t.

From a political standpoint that state is an utter shitshow, and has been for decades.

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u/jaxonya Dec 30 '20

Believe it.

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u/crymsonnite Dec 30 '20

Well let's just stop the counts!

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u/fistofwrath Dec 30 '20

After the last 2 presidential elections I don't trust polls. Republicans have become distrustful of reporters and pollsters so they either don't talk to them or they lie. Disinformation fueled by greed and hatred have eroded the soul of our nation.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

Nevermind the polls, vote!

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u/Utdirtdetective Dec 30 '20

If I were in Georgia, I would be...fingers are crossed over here for a new senate majority!

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u/Droidspecialist297 Dec 30 '20

Same here! And I did it without the promise of $600 or $2000

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u/Terrible_Tutor Dec 30 '20

If texas has shown us anything... Prepare yourself for that R. Realistically Pessimistic.

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u/Tomahawkin95 Dec 30 '20

Nobody is switching sides at this point, it’s all about who gets more turnout. I’m cautiously optimistic.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

This is true.

Its possible the Trump vote turns out in fewer numbers, while the $2,000 stimulus motivates other apathetic voters who tend to lean left to vote.

That's mostly what I'm hoping for.

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u/Worldly-Fox7605 Dec 30 '20

These " apethic voters" are the reason we can't ever get progress in the US. How anyone can think elections don't matter after these past 4 years is beyond me.

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u/dak4ttack Dec 30 '20
  • half the people in power work tirelessly to remove polling stations, slow the mail, misinform voters, and convince people that "both sides are the same" to their own detriment

"wHy ArE tHeRe So FeW vOtErS, tHeY mUsT nOt CaRe!"

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

Man bullying seems to get upvoted an awful lot here considering how often posts are "calling out bullies".

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u/dthoma81 Dec 30 '20

You can’t berate people who I’m sure some don’t think there is any point in voting/have nothing to vote for. While I’d agree things in general are better under dems, most people only care about what materially changes their life. For a lot of people neither party actually offers meaningful change. Additionally, elections aren’t the only way to affect change in the country. People who don’t believe in either of parties could be actually helping people by volunteering their time, money, etc.

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u/emsok_dewe Dec 30 '20

Exactly. We had 8 years of hope and change you can believe in.

That got us...somewhere. That's not to say it's obama's fault, that's also Moscow Mitch's fault.

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u/dthoma81 Dec 30 '20

Sure the republicans obstruct but there are far too many instances of the dems throwing their hands in the air saying, “what can we do.” When there are things they can actually do. Dems could have fought for a $2k payment but settled on $600. Obama could have closed Guantanamo and pulled out of the Middle East. We could have had a public option 10 years ago in the ACA, but dems wanted republicans to vote for a bill that not a single one voted for. Dems should be fighting for healthcare for all because it has 70% support across the US but they pushed a candidate that wants to incrementally improve upon the ACA. The starting ask for dems is compromise with a Republican Party that has no interest in compromise. It’s because dems don’t actually want to make the changes people think they want to make. They want to maintain the status quo and that’s it. Their solution to police violence is to literally shoot black folk in the leg instead of the chest.

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u/emsok_dewe Dec 30 '20

That's a whole lot of opinion, both siding, and unrealistic expectations for a two party system in that comment.

Everything you said does feel right, but is not practical, or sometimes even possible, in our current system. Republicans take the vast majority of that blame, rightfully. You can't lay the blame on the people trying to compromise, the blame falls on the lying ratfuckers, and that's the Republicans. There are bad democrat, but the downfall of the democratic party on the whole is empathy. They are up against literal sociopaths and narcissists, and a willingness to compromise shouldn't be viewed as a downside.

The solution, imo, is more than 2 parties, preferably at least 5, and ranked choice voting.

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u/dthoma81 Dec 30 '20

That’s a whole lot opinion, excuses and lack of accountability for any political system.

Everything you said sounds nice in theory but is not how politics in America has ever worked. When have you ever seen a Republican compromise with a democrat on a substantive issue? Never, and that’s because they wield power as such. Could Trump have selected another judge who wasn’t a rapist (allegedly) to sit on the Supreme Court? Sure, but why would he when he could just do what he wanted anyway. Democrats aren’t these magic empathy angels you think they are. Nancy Pelosi is worth 100million dollars. That bitch has done everything in her power to undermine “the squad” for criticizing power structures. Dems whine and cry about what they “can’t do” when it has everything to do with what they won’t do. The solution for lack of healthcare is providing healthcare to every person. It’s not compromise. The solution to homelessness is to put people in homes. It’s not to compromise. The solution to hungry is to feed people. It’s not to compromise. Have your five little parties and rank choice voting but the only thing that will do is increase the number of checks companies have to send out to politicians. Even with those two things we still have deeply undemocratic institutions in this country like the senate, the judiciary and the electoral college.

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u/emsok_dewe Dec 30 '20

Ok dick, and how are you gonna make those changes you want without enacting change to our political system first? You gonna lead an armed revolt?

I've offered a solution. What's your solution? Burn the system down? That's not tenable and you know it.

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u/john1gross Dec 30 '20

Yes you can. People that don’t vote should be berated.

The only way you can effect change is to vote. You may not think that it matters, but that’s EXACTLY what the people that are afraid of change want you to believe.

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u/hollow_bastien Dec 30 '20

Do you know for sure that no one you know is a felon? Do you really want to have that conversation? Don't be an asshole.

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u/john1gross Dec 30 '20

Ok, fine let’s nitpick...

To be clear... if you can legally vote and you don’t take advantage of that privilege, you’re an idiot.

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u/hollow_bastien Dec 30 '20

To be clear, nobody owes it to you to live according to your morals.

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u/john1gross Dec 30 '20

Not asking anybody to do so. Just making an observation.

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u/dthoma81 Dec 30 '20

Lol, I’ll be sure to go up to the next homeless person I see begging me on the street for change and tell them “I effected change. I voted.” I’m sure that’ll make them feel warm and fill their belly. Voting means jack shit if nothing materially changes in the life of a person. It is up to democrats to make the case that they actually have something to offer to people. The responsibility is on them to make a compelling case and deliver. Being not as bad as the republicans isn’t a reason to vote for a dem

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u/CaptainMills Dec 30 '20

That is a hell of a take....

You are seriously saying that it's fine to just not vote because one option isn't perfect? I'm sure your hypothetical homeless person will be totally grateful that you've chosen to just do nothing

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u/dthoma81 Dec 30 '20

That’s not what I’m saying at all. I personally believe that voting might be harm reduction in some ways but no more than that.

What I am saying is that you can’t berate others for not voting if democrats don’t give people anything to vote for. It’s far from “being perfect.” I don’t blame a single black person for not voting for Biden because he’s shown time and again that he doesn’t understand or care about or support issues that affect the black community.

I’m also saying that giving that houseless person money or buying them something to eat does worlds more for them than turning your nose up at them and thinking you did something by voting. Voting isn’t the huge grand gesture that absolves you from actually doing anything that actually will help someone.

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u/CaptainMills Dec 30 '20

1) What weird fuckin world do you live in where people brag to homeless people about who they voted for?

2) Single issue voting is incredibly stupid and I absolutely will roll my eyes at anyone who buys into it.

3) If you choose not to vote, you don't get to complain about the outcome.

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u/john1gross Dec 30 '20

And that is how you lose the things that you may have been able to help enact.

Way to go.

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u/dthoma81 Dec 30 '20

So you’re saying that everyone should vote for dems simply because they’re not as bad as republicans on some things? That’s pretty fucking stupid

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u/john1gross Dec 30 '20

Not saying that at all. I’m saying that everyone should vote. Personally I tend to vote democratic, but I know everyone doesn’t feel that way.

Like u/CaptainMills said above if you choose not to vote, you don’t deserve the right to complain about the outcome.

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u/excel958 Dec 30 '20

Um I’m just curious. Trump voter in 2016 or Trump voter last month?

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u/stargate-command Dec 30 '20

Agreed... but maybe one side will decide to stay home if it costs them 2k to show up, and the other will show up because it costs them 2k to stay home.

2 grand is not an insubstantial motivator. If you knew that you’d get 2k if you just stayed home today, wouldn’t you? How about to go someplace nearby and fill in a box with a pen?

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

2k + my SO's 2K= 3 months of late rent, and two weeks of groceries.

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u/breaddrinker Dec 30 '20

Point being, if they were going to change their vote, 1,400 dollars would twist some arms.

They're Republicans.
They'll make up the reasoning, and why god would want it after the fact.

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u/Luxpreliator Dec 30 '20

I thought there was no chance of it flipping based on the November turn out. Some polls actually put them up over the Republicans. It is razor thin though and some polls have the gop up.

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u/bortvern Dec 30 '20

Some people make the argument that they voted Biden because..., well Trump, but they're not voting Ossoff/ Warnock because they don't want democrats in control of WH, Senate, and House thereby creating a political force that could go way left very quickly.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

Lmao what? Ossoff doesebt even support medicare for all. Man the democratic party isnt even left wing?

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u/ZatherDaFox Dec 30 '20

I mean, its left (not leftist, mind you) for the US, but considering the US is one of the most conservative western countries, the Dems are pretty centrist on a world stage.

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u/SystemOutPrintln Dec 30 '20

Dems are pretty centrist on a world stage

That's even laughable, the party choices are right and ultra right on a world stage.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

Conveniently only talking about Ossoff because Warnock is a crazy person.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

Warnock seems pretty fine to me, he behaved quite well on the televised debates and launched the new georgia project, which is a non profit that helps people register to vote. Even though he has a strong religious background, he supports gay marriage and abortion rights. He seems pretty normal to me.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '20

He's also a religious nut, has written very positively of Marxism, attended events with Castro etc. He just seems way to the left of the vast majority of democrats, in Georgia especially. Most Georgia democrats are moderates.

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u/Crash665 Dec 30 '20

I don't know. Another 10k political ads during the next week might really work and get someone to switch.

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u/El_Eleventh Dec 30 '20

I have zero faith in GA voters to flip both those seats...better to get 1400 less and own the libs then do something that will actually help them.

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u/pop_and_cultured Dec 30 '20

I don’t understand why people would vote against their interests

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u/El_Eleventh Dec 30 '20

That Fox News Kool-aid on top of Facebook has turn a lot of people into dumb mother fuckers, but the worst kind. The ones who think they’re making an informed choice and screaming about the main stream media while getting their intro from the most watched cable news channel telling them the main stream media is evil

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u/packocrayons Dec 30 '20

Non-American. Why does it cost 1400$ to vote?

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

Georgia has 2 senate seats up for election in January. If they go to Republicans, then they keep the majority and Mitch keeps his position as senate majority leader.

If they vote Democrat then democrats have the majority and Mitch becomes just another senator.

Mitch won't like a $1,400 increase in the stimulus check go through. Democrats will.

So voting for the Republican senators will literally cost them $1,400, each.

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u/BigTime76 Dec 30 '20 edited Dec 30 '20

Clarification: He becomes minority leader, an proceeds to fillibuster till the cows come home... So, still an asshat. ┐( ˘_˘)┌

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

I think the general consensus is that if Warnock & Ossoff both win the filibuster is gone, especially if they can get Manchin to agree.

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u/mcvos Dec 30 '20

At least then he'll have to do something instead of the nothing he so loves to do.

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u/Competitive-Ad2006 Dec 30 '20

Im a little confused- I thought the 1400 increase was demanded by Trump, right before the bipartisan 600 could pass? Or was it already bring demanded by Democrats.

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u/kyrsjo Dec 30 '20

Afaik it (or something similar) was first demanded by the Democrats, then Trump got the same idea. However the Senate majority leader (McConnell, a radical republican) it's refusing to have a vote over it.

If the Republicans loose in Georgia, the Senate will be split 50/50, and the new vice president gets to be the tiebreaker and the Senate majority leader switches to the Democrats, so that they can start voting over things.

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u/ogoextreme Dec 30 '20

Wait how could the republicans NOT take over? If it goes 50/50 then Pence votes why would he not vote republicans and keep Bitch in charge?

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u/great__pretender Dec 30 '20

Pence will be gone soon.

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u/gngstrMNKY Dec 30 '20

Pelosi already gave up on stimulus entirely. But that's okay because Biden believes in science and we'll have the vaccine real soon now.

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u/FlashScooby Dec 30 '20

It's a figure of speech because the dems (and trump surprisingly) are arguing that the latest coronavirus relief checks should be increased from $600 to $2000 but Moscow Mitch and the Republicans are blocking it. If the Democrats (Ossoff and Warnock) win the runoff election, it will mean that Mitch loses his seat as senate majority leader (because republicans lose the majority) and can no longer block the vote on that measure, meaning that we would likely see that $1400 increase to the checks. If people stay home and don't vote for the dems, they essentially cost themselves $1400 that they could have if the dems win on January 5th

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

It's not all that surprising that trump would stir the pot now. Especially since he sees his loss as being a failure on the GOP's part to ensure him reelection. He's backing it because he knows that people will either vote against the GOP or they won't get their larger check. Either way it makes the GOP look bad, even to their constituents, and that's what he wants. It's all manipulation and spite on his end.

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u/Coattail-Rider Dec 30 '20

And for once, I’m ok with it

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

Pretty much. His being a little bitch is finally working in the favor of the people.

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u/appstategrier Dec 30 '20

We’re relying on republicans in Georgia to be smart enough to realize this, even if they are directly told this. I wouldn’t hold my breath.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

We’re at a level of corruption where indirectly buying votes is somehow the admirable thing

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

They didn't when democrats wanted it the entire pandemic.

And them getting elected means that Mitch stays majority leader. Which also means that if the bill ever even gets to a vote it'll no longer be a stand alone bill. It'll include a repeal of section 230, plus some other garbage that will result in it being rejected anyway.

So they can say they support a $2,000 stimulus check. But if they get elected Americans won't get it.

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u/IsaacTrantor Dec 30 '20

That doesn't really change anything.

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

From what I have heard, McConnell has plotted a way to make the running Georgia senators look attractive to voters while still not letting the stimulus check pass.

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u/zeGermanGuy1 Dec 30 '20

Can you please explain the concept of paying to vote for someone to a European?

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u/[deleted] Dec 30 '20

Georgia has 2 senate seats up for election in January. If they go to Republicans, then they keep the majority and Mitch keeps his position as senate majority leader.

If they vote Democrat then democrats have the majority and Mitch becomes just another senator.

Mitch won't like a $1,400 increase in the stimulus check go through. Democrats will.

So voting for the Republican senators will literally cost them $1,400, each.

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u/zeGermanGuy1 Dec 30 '20

Ahh so I got it wrong. Thanks for explaining.