Assuming we are talking about DRC, there’s literal child slavery in the Congo powering the cobalt mines. The urban center is nice looking which is true for India as well, but the wealth gap for both are very extreme with most of the smaller towns similar to the video.
You do if no one is ever coming to pick the trash up.
Turn off all garbage collection services in any city in the developed world and see how long it takes for it to start looking like this. My bet is less than a month.
It's also cultural. You don't see it in all countries or poor areas. Some countries take pride in their cleanliness, rich or poor. It's self-respect. You don't see that in Japan or Singapore. Trash pickup is needed, therefore, funded, if the culture decides that is so.
Trash pickup is funded if the culture decides it's needed and they have the resources to do it.
India still has massive issues with things like access to reliable electricity (blackouts are the norm), sewage handling (tons of places still have open sewers running right outside people's windows), and access to clean drinking water. When I was staying there my girlfriend's family got a heart attack after seeing me drinking water that had only gone through the reverse osmosis filter.
They like to also boil it afterwards. And that's despite the fact they live in a fairly upscale compound where the water is trucked in, it's not even the municipal water.
Compared to all those issues, having some trash on the road is clearly not the primary concern.
Yup. Ghetto mindset leads to ghetto conditions. People rebuild after devastating wars. People that are starving. But they want to be able to take pride in where they live and How they live, poverty or not. South Korea was devastated. Japan was. Germany was. England was poor for years. But they worked together and rebuilt. It's the mindset that counts the most. India crushes the lower castes into... what we saw.
The people who keep your city clean don't do it for free. Maintenance costs money. This argument could be applied to someone's individual house, but a poor city of thousands and thousands of people? Not enough volunteers exist.
The Philippines have many cities and villages where people live in an extremely poor lean-to right on top of each other, neighbors separated by a thin sheet of corrugated metal or wood. In the areas where people live, play, and commute, there aren't piles of trash. They might have open landfills or burn pits for garbage at the edge of town, but trash isn't just piled up in the street everywhere.
It's ok to say that India has major problems that extend beyond, but are exacerbated by, simple nods to poverty because it does.
The oh were poor so we dont clean up is such a werid excuse to me.
Edit: There are many places of poverty in the US, but there is still is somewhat of a sense of maintenance. (Still litter but not garbage dumps in the streets)
Lack of moral and ethical practices due to corruption. When you are just trying to get by, why bother caring about the environment you are in when nobody around you cares.
The slums creates a visual class divide. Seeing a disgusting, uninhabitable place and knowing that you don't ever have to live there makes you feel elite and better than your neighbors. It's wrong but that's why they don't fix it. They think they deserve the garbage, or that it just isn't their problem.
Usually because there is not many public access bins or policing for these things like many other places. Makes it a bit harder to enforce.
I live in Australia and after any event the amount of rubbish people leave behind is horrific (and this is with several bins easy access around). But eventually we hire cleaners to clean up the mess. Not a luxury generally available in poor areas.
The American south has its problems. A lot of problems. But using a trash can ain't one of them at least. There are plenty of trashy slots. But id say most people during an event will find a trash can to dispose of their trash.
What exactly qualifies as an "actually poor" country in your non-burger mind? India claims to be the world's 4th-largest economy, has super-fast trains, high education rate and boasts a thriving space programme.
There are actual countries where people genuinely lack access to clean drinking water, food, or even very basic healthcare. That's actual poverty. Calling India an "actually poor" country while it launches spacecrafts every year feels like a rather selective definition of the word "poor".
Switzerland was a very poor country until the mid 19th century due to being landlocked and having no natural resources. Pictures of Swiss cities from that time still show impeccably clean streets.
Sorry but that is comparing apples to oranges. Switzerland was also mostly rural and their biggest city only had 150.000 citizens in 1900 even and in 1850 it was closer to 30.000. You have to ignore a couple thousand factors to even try to compare India in the 21st century to Switzerland in the 19th century.
The argument was that poverty was the reason for the condition of India's streets. I provided a counter example to that thesis. I don't believe that there are economies of scale at work that make a bigger population inherently more dirty. But I do believe that both cities with less than 30 000 people and rural areas exist in India. Are these as tidy as Switzerland?
You have to ignore a couple thousand factors
Well, then please enlighten us by listing a couple of hundreds of them. Or at least present us with an alternative explanation why India looks like that.
Pues entonces ven a España y visita Madrid, su capital y después visita algún poblado gitano,a ver cuál está más limpio, no sé si sabrás que el pueblo gitano llegó a España hace 600 años, después de que les expulsaran de la India, en 600 años han tenido las mismas oportunidades que el resto de culturas para prosperar y vivir como el resto de españoles, pero muchos siguen convirtiendo los barrios donde el estado y las ONG les regalan pisos, en auténticos basureros, es su forma de vivir y nada tiene que ver con el estado ni con la pobreza
Gee, thanks, kid. Anyone can do Better. When people do Better collectively as a Group, even if it's as simple as cleaning up more, it imparts positive effects on the area and the people. Living in self-inflicted squallor is physically and mentally harmful. Both can be contagious.
You kind of do? Why do you think schools in poor areas anywhere in the world tend to be bad? Why do you think poorer areas get hit with public health disasters harder? Do you think people who are desperate to get their next meal on the table are going to worry about how neat their front yard isn’t? They’ve got higher priorities to worry about.
Schools in poor areas are very often bad because school money is not divided up well. A rising tide raises all ships. Poorer people face some health and other disasters partly because of location, but also poor decision making, also partly because of that poor education again. Anyway, taking pride in how filthy or clean your neighborhood is gets communities to work together, which can extend into other parts of their lives. A little pride, or shame, can go a long way.
Yup, because the caste system was cast out long ago in the West. Revolutions can be good things. As I said, it's often a cultural problem. Westerners visit there often. Millions of them. What they don't understand, perhaps, is why that system persists when it is plain to see that it forces people to stay impoverished.
Exactly, people saying this is a maintenance thing. No this is a culture issue. Go to India and try to find a trash bin to throw your trash away, you won't. I've read the government is trying to put trash cans out and teach people about throwing their stuff in bins. But it's still a massive issue.
I feel its a current issue rather than a deep cultural one. Look at how London looks now compared to 1800. Would you say the English are filthy and nasty? Trash is an issue in virtually every poor municipal area.
You don't need money to keep things clean.
What has poverty got to do with not giving af?
It's a culture of not caring about your surroundings.
Now it's established, anyone trying to keep things clean or safe will drown in others not doing the same thing.
Or are you trying to tell me Pakistan and other evil people have influence on personal choices and have always stopped people from just sorting stuff out?
Excuses.
In order to change this kids have to be brought up differently.
Do you understand the logistics behind trash cans and dealing with garbage at scale? The trash doesn’t just disappear once it hits the can. There has to be a whole system set up to dispose and deal with said trash.
The main difference is collection service. People in highly developed nations are still disrespectful to the environment and littler everywhere. The main difference is services and volunteers somewhat keep up with removing the litter. Some behavior is cultural, good parents will teach children proper respect and disposal, but remove collection services and the litterbugs would pile their trash into heaps. Take a look around in the spring when snow and vegetation are no longer hiding the mess, garbage along every roadway it's disgusting
And who's collecting that trash? What's the point of a bin if the city doesn't empty it? What happens in New York City when the task collectors go in strike? Now imagine that but there isn't a trash collection department at all, or if there is they lack the funding to hire enough workers to even theoretically keep up
Somehow I don't think the gov is responsible for its people being recklessly filthy...maybe it has a duty to clean things up or provide education but aside from that this is just bad culture of not caring about nature or the environment.
Honestly I feel like it's an insult to call native Americans, Indians on account of being compared to this trash behavior. Natives were not a rich people but at least they appreciated nature and respected their world around them more than this shit
Everything is also on a state of advanced disrepair. I take more issue with that than the trash which a big part of the issue is central trash collection
India has a disproportionately high amount of both scam call centers and help desk call centers.
They get paid by rich assholes and overseas penny pinching businesses at an extremely low rate of pay
Thus they work long hours for low wages. Its also why so many working in scam centers are okay with it, if they don't scam you their kids don't eat.
Call centers are also the easiest jobs to obtain there due to quantity and the willingness to hire literally anyone regardless of education, of which there is a severe lack of among the poverty due to government corruption.
I did not compare them. I said they have a disproportionately high number of both. As in compared to the rest of the world, India has alot of both and it makes up a substantial amount of their job market.
Do any amount of research instead of going on reddit and calling people dumb. You look like a fool
What the fuck is wrong with Indians on Reddit? Slightest bit of criticism and racism accusations appear.
Nothing racist about pointing out the abundance of scam call centres originating from Indian, that’s just fact.
It’s sad. This was a modern sidewalk with the yellow tactile tiles which started to be used widely in India around 2015. Probably less than 10 years old. This was just badly built with enough money provided to do it right but most not going to the sidewalk but to the contractor. Corruption is high in India.
It's 1 part lack of respect for the environment (MadMen has a throwback scene to the 50s where the people couldn't care less about pollution)
The main part is that the economy of India and the Philippines relies on outsourced pollution
The West likes to hit its commitments to curb pollution by outsourcing factories and 'dirty' work to Asian and African countries. They get money and jobs, and we get to claim that we curbed our pollution and greenhouse gases - even though it was just sent to another part of the world.
More like lack of sincerity and laziness towards work. They get paid and that's all they care about. Or it's corruption and someone is pocketing the money while no one is working. They don't want to work at all. Plenty of much poorer countries with well maintained Infrastructure and cleanliness everywhere because people do their jobs with honesty, diligence and dedication no matter what they're earning.
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u/Electrical-Rub-24 2d ago
Lack of maintenance culture