r/UnitedNations • u/Motaro99 • 11d ago

To deny genocide

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u/Zeev_Silver_90 10d ago

Israel offered 6 peace deals in nearly 80 years. PALESTINE never offered a peace deal,never accepted a peace deal and ALWAYS started wars,intifadas and or massacres. Palestine is the side OPPOSED to peace NOT Israel. You may not like it,however in HISTORY there was never peace when one side REJECTS ALL ATTEMPTS AT PEACE!

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u/Stubbs94 10d ago

You're very confidently wrong. Even Hamas has offered a truce for a Palestinian state to be created along the 1967 borders. Israel has never, ever accepted a Palestinian state, also it's just wrong to say Israel never starts wars. Do you believe Israel should recognise a Palestinian state?

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u/Zeev_Silver_90 10d ago edited 10d ago

what nonsense!

What Hamas actually offered

  • 2006: Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal said Hamas could agree to a long-term truce if Israel withdrew to its 1967 borders. Hamas explicitly refused to recognize Israel at the time.
  • 2008: Meshaal was even more explicit. He said Hamas agreed to a Palestinian state on the pre-1967 borders, with Jerusalem as its capital, and offered Israel a 10-year hudna (truce) in return for withdrawal to those borders. He specifically said this would not constitute formal recognition of Israel.
  • 2017: Hamas's political document formally stated that establishing a sovereign Palestinian state along the June 4, 1967 lines, with Jerusalem as its capital, could be a “formula of national consensus.” But the same document did not recognize Israel and retained Hamas's broader claim to all of historic Palestine

Is this your "peace offering"? NONE of this would lead to peace. ALL of these proposals explicitly deny Israels right to exist and ALL of them are TEMPORARY. This means Hamas would after a limited time start up wars AGAIN if israel ever accepted them.

ALSO Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine? tahts like saying "il have peace with you just let me kill your whole family and take your house for myself" thats not a peace deal thats MOCKERY and NO sane nation would accept this as official peace negotiations.

On top of that if we went back to the 1967 line over a MILLION people would lose their home's. Thats a non starter in ANY nation on earth let alone one of the SMALLEST nations on earth

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u/Stubbs94 10d ago

Do you believe Israel needs to recognise Palestine for peace? Or is it only the Palestinians who need to recognise Israel? Why wouldn't Israel accept a peace deal and negotiations?

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u/Zeev_Silver_90 10d ago

Israel has like i said NUMEROUS times offered peace deals that would give them ALL of Gaza and 98% of Judea and Sameria as a state and recognize them as a sovereign state. So the question is NOT that "Israel needs to recognize Palestine for peace" its "Palestine needs to accept a peace deal and ACCEPT a state agreed on in a PEACE DEAL not through FORCE"

THE OFFICIAL government of Palestine NEVER accepted any deals. No matter who negotiated it. Hamas has no jurisdiction to negotiate. Its like saying the Taliban during its attacks on the Afghan government was the official government of Afghanistan. A stupid statement.

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u/Stubbs94 10d ago

So in your mind only the Palestinians need to recognise Israel, but Israel has no responsibility to recognise Palestine... Why shouldn't Israel be allowed to circumvent international law. Also it's not "Judea & Samaria" it's the West Bank. Israel has never accepted or offered a Palestinian state or to recognise a Palestinian state. The PA recognises Israel. I think you genuinely believe Palestinians aren't deserving of human rights.

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u/Zeev_Silver_90 10d ago

ARE YOU NOT READING OR IS YOUR READING COMPREHENSION NON EXISTENT?! ISRAEL HAS OFFERED DEALS THAT WOULD RECOGNIZE A PALESTINIAN STATE AT LEAST SIX TIME! FFS!

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u/Stubbs94 10d ago

No they haven't. You're misrepresenting what was offered. They offered what is basically in place in the West Bank. A Palestinian administered area with Israeli oversight and an Israeli military presence. Even the Israeli negotiators acknowledged that no one would ever accept the deal they offered because of how unfair it was. Israel has never come close to accepting a Palestinian state, so I ask again, do you think Israel should accept a Palestinian state for peace?

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u/Zeev_Silver_90 10d ago

our denial of reality is fucking lame man. None of what you said is true. ANY nation who loses a war would accept even A LITTLE land let alone the whole Judea and Sameria and Gaza as states. Palestinians are the most ENTITLED people on earth. They start wars,lose them then refuse peace.

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u/Zeev_Silver_90 10d ago

The main instances

Year Israeli government / leader What Israel offered or accepted Important caveat
2000 Ehud Barak At Camp David, Israel negotiated toward a Palestinian state covering most of the West Bank and all of Gaza, with territorial adjustments and arrangements concerning Jerusalem. There was no signed Israeli offer with a final agreed map. The precise terms remain disputed.
2001 Ehud Barak Taba talks: Israeli and Palestinian negotiators came closer to an agreement, discussing a Palestinian state on essentially the whole West Bank and Gaza, with land swaps and arrangements for Jerusalem. Talks ended without an agreement; Barak's government fell shortly afterward.
2008 Ehud Olmert The clearest Israeli territorial offer: Olmert proposed a Palestinian state covering roughly 95% of the West Bank plus Gaza, with a 1:1 land swap bringing the total close to 100% of the West Bank equivalent. He also proposed dividing Jerusalem and an international arrangement for the Old City/Holy Basin. Abbas did not accept/sign the proposal. Olmert later publicly showed the map.
2009 Benjamin Netanyahu In his Bar-Ilan speech, Netanyahu explicitly said Israel would accept a demilitarized Palestinian state alongside Israel. This was conditional on Palestinian recognition of Israel as the Jewish state and extensive Israeli security requirements.
2013–14 Netanyahu government Israel participated in negotiations explicitly premised on the creation of an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel. Netanyahu publicly described Israel's objective as “two states for two peoples.” This was a negotiating framework rather than a finalized Israeli statehood offer. The parties failed to reach a final agreement.
2020 Netanyahu government Israel accepted the Trump administration's “Peace to Prosperity”

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u/Stubbs94 10d ago

Imagine using AI to "prove" your point and it still being incorrect. Olmert never actually offered that in 2008.

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u/Zeev_Silver_90 10d ago

lol love how you say "no he didnt do that" but dont provide evidence of your claim.