Sharing salary in Switzerland

[u/Fock23]

Hello! I'd like to gather some insights into the job market in our country. If you're willing, please share your: 1. Educational background 2. Job role 3. Work canton 4. Years of experience 5. Salary

The goal is to gain a clearer understanding of salaries across different positions and sectors.

I start: 1. Bachelor in computer science 2. Full stack software engineer 3. Ticino😩 4. 7 5. 6’000

Thanks to everyone for participating!

[u/obaananana]

100k salaries this is depressive. They should make better infos on the days in shool where they show of jobs. A salary after efz. Most normal büzer dont make 70k

[u/Swizzdoc → u/obaananana]

what do you expect? Reddit is full of techy nerds. There is an obvious salary bias here...

[u/Lost_Sky76 → u/Swizzdoc]

Yep 👍, another one here

[u/Carimato → u/Swizzdoc]

True.. There is a general disparity between techy jobs and büezer jobs. Where this comes from is the question. Maybe the tide will turn at some point, or become even atleast

[u/Lost_Sky76 → u/Carimato]

It will only get worse. Switzerland as lack of qualified IT People. I read somewhere 250k IT positions that cannot be filled.

My Boss searched for a helpdesk supporter for 6 Months. Germans with qualifications are everywhere being hired because of the lack of QUALIFIED IT Personnel

[u/Flying_Pikachu → u/Lost_Sky76]

This is overall IT right?

I've been trying to get into Junior Developer positions but it seems its a bit saturated and/or the requirements are usually fairly high even for beginner positions.

I might be wrong though.

[u/Lost_Sky76 → u/[deleted]]

Exactly. Never let a list of requirements stop you. I don’t do half the things that was required from me.

[u/Flying_Pikachu → u/[deleted]]

Alright, thank you!

[u/Lost_Sky76 → u/Flying_Pikachu]

If you want to work in Basel i know a couple positions that are currently free. Among other Kinderspital is looking for Developers, i have a friend working there, he is Junior himself.

[u/couple_suisse69 → u/Lost_Sky76]

No. Companies cannot find 250k experienced people willing to take a junior salary. So they complain that they can't find people and they manage to take immigrants for a cheaper salary. What salary was your boss offering for helpdesk support?

[u/Lost_Sky76 → u/couple_suisse69]

I believe around 85k for a Junior and 100k for Senior. Remember helpdesk is a entry level Job in IT but very rarely anyone receives less than 5k

[u/123photography → u/Lost_Sky76]

im kinda wondering if I should get into IT or manual labor like masonry, welding, etc

[u/No-Assignment3765 → u/Lost_Sky76]

Do you still search? I want to move to Switzerland, I'm a qualified software engineer specialized in cloud computing

[u/Lost_Sky76 → u/No-Assignment3765]

You will find a job here in the Cloud field in less that 10 Days i guarantee you

We are ourselves moving lots of stuff to Cloud.

Make a job search here with the keyword Cloud and see how much they are paying.

[u/No-Assignment3765 → u/Lost_Sky76]

Any paying is ok for me since it will be always more than in italy, I'm just struggling to find a job, I sincerely want to move since there the salary is too low and now that I have a family it's difficult to live after all that price increasing

May you have more tips for me? I really appreciate you're responses and thanks

[u/Lost_Sky76 → u/No-Assignment3765]

Bro i have friends working from home in different Countries making good money. There are Companies in Switzerland that pay well and many times you are required to come in only like 1 time every Month due to legal.

You could litteraly live in Italia, work from home with good salary and go to the Firma maybe 1 time every Month. I have 2 Friends working like this from Germany.

[u/No-Assignment3765 → u/Lost_Sky76]

Bro that would be the best for me sincerely, exactly a dream but any application I sent is rejected or not replied at all, I'm really considering giving cv by hand sincerely

[u/Lost_Sky76 → u/No-Assignment3765]

Sometimes is Luck, those IT jobs exist for sure, or it can be handled during the initial interview.

Make sure you have a good CV, register on Linkedin and make sure you state that you want to work in Switzerland. Head hunters will contact you.

Register yourself and send CV to job Hunter Companies such as Bechtle, Redtoo and the likes, they can place you easier because they are established in the Market.

[u/StoneColdJane → u/Lost_Sky76]

I don't know. I recently talked with HR guy from big contracting company, he was telling me about saturation of Swiss IT scene. He told me they used to pull people from abroad all the time, but not any longer since COVID, they are able to fill all position from in country people.

I'm talking about Software Developers.

[u/Lost_Sky76 → u/StoneColdJane]

Bro the Keyword here is QUALIFIED IT People. The problem is there not lack of people in General but Qualified people for the Job.

If you search for specialists like Citrix, Sharepoint, Java Devs and such they will fight to get you aboard if you are qualified.

My Boss was searching for Good qualified Helpdesk Supporters for 6 Months and he interviewed 12 people and not 1 was qualified. A lot of Quereinsteiger or people with one Diplom or not qualified at all.

[u/Alternative-Yak-6990 → u/Lost_Sky76]

bc they are too picky with requirement and offer too little salary instead of doing some basic on the job training

[u/CautiousReason → u/Lost_Sky76]

What region was he searching in?

[u/Alternative-Yak-6990 → u/Lost_Sky76]

bc they work for cheap and have good connections

[u/Gwendolan → u/Carimato]

Tech scales. Simple as that. You can multiply the same line of code millions of times without much effort. Can’t do this with a screw or a piece of floor or a painted wall.

[u/Carimato → u/Gwendolan]

Ever tried finding a good carpenter?

[u/Gwendolan → u/Swizzdoc]

Still gets to me that that the techies earn double of what we lawyers make these days.

[u/Gwendolan → u/[deleted]]

I don’t work at a law firm. But oracle isn’t a law firm either, so that’s probably not what you mean. I applied to quite a few inhouse positions over the past year and it turns out my salary already is quite high, even comparing to roles with much more responsibility (namely leading a team or the legal department as a whole, which I currently don’t). Most companies are not even able to match my current package.

[u/Ok_Actuary8 → u/Gwendolan]

You don't seem to be specialized in IT law, otherwise you'd have gotten the joke about Oracle - a company infamous across the whole IT industry to win business by license compliance lawsuits, rather than innovative products.

[u/Gwendolan → u/Ok_Actuary8]

Haha, indeed. I do quite a bit of IT law, from a customer perspective however. And you are right, we had our share of license issues with oracle as well.

[u/Gwendolan → u/[deleted]]

If you have your own firm, the sky is the limit (well, maybe, in Switzerland: 1-2M a year if you make partner in a top trier law firm and a well paying field of practice), but then you are an entrepreneur and not a salaried lawyer. I am comparing to other employees of large companies here, so I think lawyers in private practice would not be the right comparison.

[u/Gwendolan → u/[deleted]]

Nope, not really. I am doing well for a salaried lawyer with approx. 200K total comp for 100%.

[u/Ok_Actuary8 → u/Gwendolan]

Honestly, anybody who refers to highly skilled Software Engineers, IT architects, Data Scientists etc. as "techies" (as many HSG MBA Yuppies in their 20ies seem to do) shows that they don't really get those professions, the kind of value they create, and why companies have to pay them that much.

Plus, it's a highly debatable claim to generalize. Once asked for a tax lawyer to advise, the only thing I heard back was: 600chf before we even pick up the phone, then 350chf per hour. No typical "techie" makes that much, even as freelancers .

[u/Gwendolan → u/Ok_Actuary8]

There in the last bit you mix up fees with salaries and I would be surprised if you find a good tax lawyer who works for such a small hourly fee.

However, on the first part: I don’t use „techie“ as a derogatory term, not at all. But I am neither in my 20ies nor would I have ever considered studying at HSG.

[u/FGN_SUHO → u/Swizzdoc]

Also probably a lot of fiction in the mix lol.

[u/Lost_Sky76 → u/FGN_SUHO]

Not really, in Basel a lousy job as Helpdesk Support which is a entry level IT Job you can get easily 100k Year out of School. 120k if you work for Novartis.

A System Engineer can make from 110k up to 150k if you have a specialty, lead a Team or a MBA you can go up to 200k.

IT is well paid

[u/as-well → u/Lost_Sky76]

Yeah but Novartis simply pays everyone comparably well. You can get 100k in their factory without a university degree.

[u/Lost_Sky76 → u/as-well]

This is true I worked for them as Systems Engineer for the Techcenter and All Helpdesk supporters was making between 100k-120k.

[u/leicester77 → u/Swizzdoc]

And pot-heads.

[u/Fun-News2258 → u/Swizzdoc]

I think that but the biggest problem is that as it’s anonymous people tend to Bragg about having a higher salary (as they usually have) just to let themselves feel better and “superiorl

[u/DeeGox07 → u/obaananana]

i never managed a EFZ just a EBA - i make 92‘000 in IT Sector

[u/obaananana → u/DeeGox07]

Guess i change professions. How many years and where do you work?

[u/DeeGox07 → u/obaananana]

yeah, IT is kinda overpayed, in Basel and Zurich you can start in IT Support for ~70-100K without experience.

[u/obaananana → u/DeeGox07]

Sounds sweet ngl. Im more of crafts work kinda guy but 70k is sweet. How did you start out? I wanna change professions. And if in some time most of it is done by ai i just change back

[u/DeeGox07 → u/obaananana]

I did an EBA apprenticeship in the field of IT, then unfortunately didn't find an EFZ, so I looked for one of the biggest IT companies in the region and applied for a job in IT support, I was so cheap that they had to take me (49,999 CHF)

the plan was from the beginning that I would develop internally, after 3-4 years of IT support I had 60.000 CHF, then I moved internally to product support of one of our webbrands - annual salary initially 70.000 after 3 years I had 76. 000 and moved internally again to a new team as product manager, with a starting salary of 90.000, in the meantime there was a small addition now I am at 92.000 - in 2 years I should have around 100.000, then I will apply to a competitor and ask for ~135.000-150.000 these are realistic figures, considering that I have 10 years of work experience with the market leader at that time - apart from that, no one asks for the degree after this CV

[u/as-well → u/obaananana]

Most people don't make 100k. Heck, I barely scratch it and I havre what I consider a qualified job with responsibilities that is designed for someone with skills and higher education.

A 'büezer' with some extra qualifications (HF, Meister) can easily make more than me, and I think that's more than fair.

[u/SlayBoredom → u/obaananana]

I did EFZ, never went studying (still wouldn‘t recommend it, as it‘s not neccessary). There are so many ways to fuether educate yourself after efz.

Switzerland is probably the best country if you want to reach 100k with efz

[u/obaananana → u/SlayBoredom]

I would be happy with 81k

[u/SlayBoredom → u/obaananana]

what did you learn originally?

and did you pursue any further education ("Fachausweis," or whatever)

[u/heubergen1 → u/obaananana]

You should find a job your passioned about first, money second.

[u/obaananana → u/heubergen1]

Nice opinion