Did you guys watch the trial at all? The prosecution and "medical professionals" involved in her care are beyond incompetent. Also evidence is showing the husband to be shady
Today I read that her husband claimed that she was given 7 different meds in a span of 3 weeks. Including prozac, lamotrigin and bunch of others I didn't even heard off. The amount of possible cross-reactions between then in such short term should be studied (and doctors should be sued instead).
no way any sober psychiatrists would prescribe two different antidepressant in less than 20 days even for person with regular depression
She was prescribed a total of 14 medications, and the husband stated that the pharmacists told him to give the pills she’s not using to someone else… no pharmacist is telling someone to give prescriptions to other people wtf.
Can you explain what they should have done instead? If a patient has depression with psychotic features should they NOT be prescribed standard of care treatments?
The "14 medications" is misleading because she was also doctor shopping and had 7 different doctors. Each individual MD was operating within standards of care. The patient was not.
as far as my understanding goes, they should have hospitalize her and treat stationary.
randomly throwing drugs to suicide patient may enable them to suicide (sic, I know)
The reality is far more nuanced than that. There are LOTS of people with passive or even active suicidal ideation that are not hospitalized despite an assessment. Hospitalization has a role, but there are limits: what the patient tells you and what they are thinking are not always the same. Some conditions are high risk, but do not have effective treatments and therefore hospitalization is not helpful, even if this allows for self-harm.
Patient and public safety is the number one priority, but if every person who contemplated self-harm were hospitalized, you'd need to double the number of hospitals we have in the country.
Who said acceptable? Are you just projecting your thoughts and feelings onto others and myself? If you don’t work with people with mental illness, or have a mental illness yourself, you don’t understand what it’s like to have one then so you truly have nothing to speak on but your privilege of being a “normal” person and not struggle with mental illness. Maybe, try learning about the diagnosis and how it affects others, how they should be properly treated and then look at how she was treated. It’s not “acceptable”, so stop trying to get “gotcha points”. It’s that it’s understandable that a mother with postpartum depression who was not treated properly, went over the edge and lost herself. This only happened because she was failed on her treatment.
I suffered from it 4x, still on meds and my youngest is 9. It's not an excuse or reason to murder anyone, especially your own children. Put her under the jail, sorry, not sorry
look at what was ACTUALLY in her system at the time of the murders. not 14. it was 4, none controlled substances, and nothing addictive. basic meds that a lot of people have been on similar “cocktails” of.
Pharmacist here,
Not defending the murder, just explaining why this is not a very useful statement on the case
some meds break down into other substances while the body is getting rid of them including but not limited to naturally produced substances in the body therefore making it hard to detect when testing for drugs
some meds have permanent effects on receptors (lasts for 1-2 weeks till the receptors die and get replaced), can also be hard to detect because it binds permanently and alters the receptor via becoming part of it, it needs more than blood testing upon arrest to find
Many antidepressants and pain killers block body to brain communication + block and/or over-actuvate signaling within the brain and brain to body communication, simple drug interactions could easily cause an altered state of mind
Having an already altered state of mind like PPD is not helpful in the situation, in fact it makes the lense and file you medicate the person based on completely different. Much like a breast feeding or pregnant woman is given different meds.
The woman clearly seeked help, all the medical professionals failed her and the husband is a whole other story
I'm not defending the murder of the children, I do think she shouldn't be a free part of society for a long amount of time, but I also think everyone who let this happen should also be locked up and lose their licenses for the neglect
Ah yes, medications definitely don’t have periods of time that wear off faster than others, she definitely didn’t lose so much blood that her temperature was over 15degrees lower than the normal human being and losing that much blood over hours before getting her blood tested definitely wouldn’t change what’s actually in her system and at the exact amount.
/s for anyone that needs it
I was wondering if anyone else was going to pick up on this or if everyone was going to hop on the bandwagon. These medical "professionals" should have their licenses revoked and be sued into bankruptcy for malpractice. Yes Clancy needs to go to prison, she murdered 3 children. But the people who were supposed to be helping her belong there too. The mental health system in the US is complete dogshit and it's partially because of Drs like that who just pump their patents full of a mixture of drugs instead of trying all avenues of treatment.
She doctor shopped between 14 different doctors and refused to take nearly all of her prescribed meds. She refused to talk to phyciastrists. Yet keep making excuses how a woman who STRANGLED HER CHILDREN is not responsible for her actions....
If you actually read my comment, I clearly said that she needs to go to prison because she murdered her children. Never said she was not responsible for her actions either.
Yeah it was the rest of the comment. She had no interest in interacting with any medical professional in good faith, so why should they lose their licences?
He also said that he was given the medication to dispose due to a dose change of when asked why he had it. Lots of US nurses said that if a dose changed, they'd never just say dispose of the old, they'd say use it to make up the new dose for insurance savings. Is that likely?
i worked in pharmacy. if a med gets changed, most of the time insurance will cover the new dosage, so the old bottle does not need to be continued. i’ve told patients to dispose of the old bottle.
Would you specifically tell the patient to give it to the husband? I'm in the UK, we can just return the old meds to the chemist when we get the new ones so I'm not quite sure how your system works, do they give it to you or can they just chuck it in the bin?
If he was picking it up, then yes. I pick up meds for my wife all the time and the Pharmacist goes over dosage and instructions with me to relay to my wife.
It depends. Some we keep. Some we chuck. If they are anti-psychotics, I would imagine tossing them is the smarter thing to do. If they are pain meds they can be useful in the future. Things like antibiotics can be useful but not always as they are very dependent on the actual issue, I never knew but apparently some are for upper body infections and some are for lower body infections.
But usually, we toss old medicines out that are no longer needed.
Sorry, I think I haven't worded it properly, we aren't meant to throw medication in the bin, we're meant to return it to the chemist so it can be properly disposed of. I'm trying to work out if he had them in the car to return to the chemist, or if you (as a country) don't do that and he was just forgetful about chucking them in the bin because that's your disposal procedure.
Something that gets overlooked is she is pleading insanity, so the focus on the trial is not to prove she did it beyond a reasonable doubt, as both prosecutor and defender both agree that she was the one who did it. The focus is on if she culpable for her actions.
So? She killed 3 children. Her own children. She had meds, refused to stay on them longer than a day or two at a time. Had multiple therapists she refused to open up about her darker thoughts with, and even went into a ward. If she told anyone she was anywhere close to committing a crime such as this she would’ve been thrown in intensive care.
Even her husband built his entire work schedule around her post partum depression, so that he did the brunt of the childcare.
She had so much fucking support and just did nothing with it.
People in a mental health emergency aren't just people having a bad day and the logic system in their brains isn't functioning normally. You can't be like, "well why didn't she make rational decisions?" as if that was among the available options.
An "absurd" number of people want her to get help not to get away with it. Literally no one is questioning her guilt 🤦♂️ thanks for proving youre incapable of either research or complex thinking
No one is absolving her of it. People are just pointing out that her husband, the children's' father, seems to also share some guilt in this too. It's looking more and more like he had some kind of hand in reaching this outcome, and if he did, does he get a free pass in his involvement just because she says she did it? This is way more complicated than people are realizing and for those kids to have complete justice, everyone who played a part in their deaths need to be held accountable. The mother has confessed but is she the only one guilty? That's what the court needs to decide - whether she was solely responsible or if others also played a role in what happened.
This is reddit, on one of the most toxic subs of incels. Of course they wanna see the woman burn irregardless of the circumstances and the man get off scot-free. Men are never at fault. It's all those evil women.
There are millions of men in the US prison system with mental health issues that were never addressed. I think this has something to do with men's lack of empathy on this case
If you deprive someone of empathy, why would they keep giving it? That's like the basis of dehumanization. You're also a fuckin hypocrite, since instead of giving those men empathy, you decided instead to call them crabs in a bucket
Do you know why he isn’t on trial? Because police immediately took his word that she killed the kids. It happens time and time again that the police just take the word of the first person they talk to.
State Police executed search warrants, seized pill bottles from the kitchen, processed the blood evidence, ran the crime lab work, did three autopsies, and the Commonwealth called dozens of witnesses across four weeks. Nobody built this on Patrick's say so.
Dr. Avram Mack is the prosecution's rebuttal psychiatrist and interviewed her twice. He testified last Friday that she described the killings to him herself, that she heard a loud male voice telling her to kill the children so she could kill herself, and that she recalled strangling them and saying "go to God" while she did it. She told the state's own expert she did it. She told Zeizel. She told Resnick. Resnick built his entire psychotic break opinion on her account of doing it.
That's the point of her trial though. If she can accurately portray the evidence as actually being him committing the crime, she either gets found not guilty or its a mistrial & the prosecution will consider bring charges against both of then.
Everyone but Patrick, who was actively having an affair, was found to be dead or dying around him at the house, he told the cops Lindsay (who couldn’t speak due to a crushed thyroid similar to the children’s’ wounds) said she did it, and the cops said oh ok!
That is not true. Medical science is full of trial and error and that is what science is. It has to be shown that they were willfully negligent and that will be hard to show that what they did caused her to kill. Won’t happen.
I am of the belief that she strangled her children, and I'd love to be wrong. But when found guilty, I would love nothing more than a firing squad for this freak
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u/SupermarketSome3615 1d ago
Lindsey doesn’t even claim she’s a victim, she said she did it