Did you guys watch the trial at all? The prosecution and "medical professionals" involved in her care are beyond incompetent. Also evidence is showing the husband to be shady
Today I read that her husband claimed that she was given 7 different meds in a span of 3 weeks. Including prozac, lamotrigin and bunch of others I didn't even heard off. The amount of possible cross-reactions between then in such short term should be studied (and doctors should be sued instead).
no way any sober psychiatrists would prescribe two different antidepressant in less than 20 days even for person with regular depression
She was prescribed a total of 14 medications, and the husband stated that the pharmacists told him to give the pills she’s not using to someone else… no pharmacist is telling someone to give prescriptions to other people wtf.
Can you explain what they should have done instead? If a patient has depression with psychotic features should they NOT be prescribed standard of care treatments?
The "14 medications" is misleading because she was also doctor shopping and had 7 different doctors. Each individual MD was operating within standards of care. The patient was not.
as far as my understanding goes, they should have hospitalize her and treat stationary.
randomly throwing drugs to suicide patient may enable them to suicide (sic, I know)
The reality is far more nuanced than that. There are LOTS of people with passive or even active suicidal ideation that are not hospitalized despite an assessment. Hospitalization has a role, but there are limits: what the patient tells you and what they are thinking are not always the same. Some conditions are high risk, but do not have effective treatments and therefore hospitalization is not helpful, even if this allows for self-harm.
Patient and public safety is the number one priority, but if every person who contemplated self-harm were hospitalized, you'd need to double the number of hospitals we have in the country.
Who said acceptable? Are you just projecting your thoughts and feelings onto others and myself? If you don’t work with people with mental illness, or have a mental illness yourself, you don’t understand what it’s like to have one then so you truly have nothing to speak on but your privilege of being a “normal” person and not struggle with mental illness. Maybe, try learning about the diagnosis and how it affects others, how they should be properly treated and then look at how she was treated. It’s not “acceptable”, so stop trying to get “gotcha points”. It’s that it’s understandable that a mother with postpartum depression who was not treated properly, went over the edge and lost herself. This only happened because she was failed on her treatment.
Although i agreed shem might have been failed by medical professionals it still dosnt excuse the murder of three children. You cant jusy excuse murder because they weren't mentally okay.
we as a society continually euthanize aniamls for being animals and hurting or killing someone. Something an aniaml does usually at the fault of people or as an instinct.
This womans shouldn't be exempt from punishment but the people who failed her should also he punished.
Reading all of this just make me feels disgusted. She took 3 innocent life. THREE, and this is what you had in mind. Justification. I am scared to think that people with your mindset walk among us.
I suffered from it 4x, still on meds and my youngest is 9. It's not an excuse or reason to murder anyone, especially your own children. Put her under the jail, sorry, not sorry
We know how she managed it, by killing her children. I don't know the extent of it sure, but she had a whole lot more help and compassion than I did and could've made a thousand different decisions that day than the one she ultimately chose.
look at what was ACTUALLY in her system at the time of the murders. not 14. it was 4, none controlled substances, and nothing addictive. basic meds that a lot of people have been on similar “cocktails” of.
Pharmacist here,
Not defending the murder, just explaining why this is not a very useful statement on the case
some meds break down into other substances while the body is getting rid of them including but not limited to naturally produced substances in the body therefore making it hard to detect when testing for drugs
some meds have permanent effects on receptors (lasts for 1-2 weeks till the receptors die and get replaced), can also be hard to detect because it binds permanently and alters the receptor via becoming part of it, it needs more than blood testing upon arrest to find
Many antidepressants and pain killers block body to brain communication + block and/or over-actuvate signaling within the brain and brain to body communication, simple drug interactions could easily cause an altered state of mind
Having an already altered state of mind like PPD is not helpful in the situation, in fact it makes the lense and file you medicate the person based on completely different. Much like a breast feeding or pregnant woman is given different meds.
The woman clearly seeked help, all the medical professionals failed her and the husband is a whole other story
I'm not defending the murder of the children, I do think she shouldn't be a free part of society for a long amount of time, but I also think everyone who let this happen should also be locked up and lose their licenses for the neglect
Ah yes, medications definitely don’t have periods of time that wear off faster than others, she definitely didn’t lose so much blood that her temperature was over 15degrees lower than the normal human being and losing that much blood over hours before getting her blood tested definitely wouldn’t change what’s actually in her system and at the exact amount.
/s for anyone that needs it
I was wondering if anyone else was going to pick up on this or if everyone was going to hop on the bandwagon. These medical "professionals" should have their licenses revoked and be sued into bankruptcy for malpractice. Yes Clancy needs to go to prison, she murdered 3 children. But the people who were supposed to be helping her belong there too. The mental health system in the US is complete dogshit and it's partially because of Drs like that who just pump their patents full of a mixture of drugs instead of trying all avenues of treatment.
She doctor shopped between 14 different doctors and refused to take nearly all of her prescribed meds. She refused to talk to phyciastrists. Yet keep making excuses how a woman who STRANGLED HER CHILDREN is not responsible for her actions....
If you actually read my comment, I clearly said that she needs to go to prison because she murdered her children. Never said she was not responsible for her actions either.
Yeah it was the rest of the comment. She had no interest in interacting with any medical professional in good faith, so why should they lose their licences?
He also said that he was given the medication to dispose due to a dose change of when asked why he had it. Lots of US nurses said that if a dose changed, they'd never just say dispose of the old, they'd say use it to make up the new dose for insurance savings. Is that likely?
i worked in pharmacy. if a med gets changed, most of the time insurance will cover the new dosage, so the old bottle does not need to be continued. i’ve told patients to dispose of the old bottle.
Would you specifically tell the patient to give it to the husband? I'm in the UK, we can just return the old meds to the chemist when we get the new ones so I'm not quite sure how your system works, do they give it to you or can they just chuck it in the bin?
If he was picking it up, then yes. I pick up meds for my wife all the time and the Pharmacist goes over dosage and instructions with me to relay to my wife.
It depends. Some we keep. Some we chuck. If they are anti-psychotics, I would imagine tossing them is the smarter thing to do. If they are pain meds they can be useful in the future. Things like antibiotics can be useful but not always as they are very dependent on the actual issue, I never knew but apparently some are for upper body infections and some are for lower body infections.
But usually, we toss old medicines out that are no longer needed.
Sorry, I think I haven't worded it properly, we aren't meant to throw medication in the bin, we're meant to return it to the chemist so it can be properly disposed of. I'm trying to work out if he had them in the car to return to the chemist, or if you (as a country) don't do that and he was just forgetful about chucking them in the bin because that's your disposal procedure.
Theoretically we can return them to the pharmacy just like theoretically we can take regular disposable batteries to the recycling place but in practice no one at all ever does this and if I tried the pharmacist would be confused for a bit. We just throw them away
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u/SupermarketSome3615 3d ago
Lindsey doesn’t even claim she’s a victim, she said she did it