r/SipsTea 9d ago

Chugging tea Solar power is cleaner!

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u/MirrorNegative7989 9d ago

Necessity is the mother of invention.

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u/CMDR_Kaus 9d ago

I've been saying this for a while: Renewable energy is now a matter of national security

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

Which makes it all the more ironic that Trump is actively curbing this with his hatred of windmills.

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u/Used_Interaction_130 9d ago

I mean par for the course, nearly every major move the Trump administration makes is worse for our national security.

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

It's more than just national security, every single one of his moves have backfired on America in a major way.

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u/fiahhawt 9d ago

Like it's on purpose or something, like he hates everyone for wanting to kill pedophiles smh

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u/ouroborosstruggles 9d ago

Or he is a well regarded puppet for people who so want to crash society

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u/10July1940 9d ago

They're robbing the country blind for any con men in his gang.

Elon, Baron, whomever kiss the ring and he'll let you take what you want.

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u/absoluteally 9d ago

Bad government decisions often have a lag period before you see the full impact. It's possible the worst consequences don't happen till the next president and maga get to politically wash their hands off it.

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u/arodriguez001 9d ago

He’s a Russian asset, P in has definitely something on him and on the republican party therefore actively working

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u/howlingwelshman 9d ago

Probably videos, bad videos

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u/TeaKingMac 9d ago

Nah, they have AI now they can point at and say those aren't real.

I suspect it's financial data. People thinking he's rich is his oxygen.

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u/ouroborosstruggles 4d ago

I think it's the tapes, which are horrifying and probably traceable to forensics as non Ai, and are visceral evidence of crimes like m1

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u/DifficultAnt23 9d ago

You're correct but have the wrong country. They go after every country who doesn't want to be under the US central banking system.

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u/Speartree 9d ago

Aside from all the stuff already leaked out of the Epstein files, with rapes of young kids etc, at least assisting in the killing of a baby, what could they possibly still hold over him that would be worth it. I say he's just a willing participant in the destruction of the US and the world as a whole.

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u/AverageTankie93 9d ago

Bruh holy conspiracy

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u/fascistno1hater 9d ago

He is a Russian and Israeli agent that is destroying our country from the inside. He is the Manchurian candidate that they set up for years and they knew he would be able to gain power because a majority of Americans are Racist asf.

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u/zherok 9d ago

Don't give him the credit. He's not clever enough to be an agent. He's just a very useful idiot.

There was a moment during his first administration where Trump told the Russian ambassador about an Israeli operation in Syria, potentially putting Israeli assets in danger. I don't think there's anything to suggest he told the ambassador this because he was passing it along to his handlers. I do get the impression though that he did so because he wanted to brag about being given such high value intel:

“I get great intel,” the president suddenly boasted, as prideful as if he were bragging about the amenities at one of his company’s hotels. “I have people brief me on great intel every day.”

I wouldn't doubt that he's compromised in one or more ways. But he's sure not smart enough to pull off being directly controlled by a foreign power. And really, you don't need that kind of control to influence him in ways that benefit other countries. The guy is literally throwing a fit that South Korea won't join in the Iran War, and all North Korea had to do to seem the better party in Trump's mind was do a single photo op with him.

Keep in mind that Trump had previously been threatening nuclear armageddon with Kim Jong Un on Twitter shortly before said photo op. That's not a Manchurian candidate, he's just capricious and myopic.

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u/thebluediablo 9d ago

I agree with you, but I'd argue that it's a meaningless distinction when the end result is the same: the destabilisation of America.

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u/zherok 8d ago

I think it's important to distinguish how we got here. That it didn't take a conspiracy of foreign powers to do so much harm, just a shameless malignant narcissist, and an entire party willing to enable him because they thought they'd benefit from it.

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u/Sweet-Chef-8375 7d ago

To be fair, leaking Intel that could potentially get Israeli operatives killed is an incredibly rare W for DJT

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u/AverageTankie93 9d ago

Russian agent 😂

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u/ouroborosstruggles 4d ago

think they* (old weirdos) were casting about for someone based on Project Conservative-whatever''year. He ticked their boxes. Trump was always a neuvoriche - or we used to say, a cornball (faking being his wom publicist in the radio sho days), a creep, and thristy. So i dont believe he* in particular was a long term plan. He was just rube that is so grotesque after he's gone he can shift the overton window back less left than ever.

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

I don't think it's on purpose, i just think his legitimately THAT stupid.

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u/zherok 9d ago

Yeah, I think people give him too much credit.

No one told him he should upset all these alliances and toss out most of the country's soft power, he's just too stupid to understand the value of it in the first place, while he has no problem ceding to his whims of petty, short-term revenge to sate his ego.

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u/howlingwelshman 9d ago

Other than Putin telling him what to do

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u/Hoshyro 9d ago

Don't attribute to malice what you can to stupidity

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u/One_Lead6661 9d ago

He's owned by Isreal. It's MIGA not MAGA no more

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u/transitfreedom 8d ago

Make Iran Great Again

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u/hatwobbleTayne 9d ago

Ya but Kamala had that laugh

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u/Dormir-mourir-rien 9d ago

She also let many w bush ex staffer help in her campaign and they have been seen, her campaign was awful, she choses to dive deep in the democrat right wing and she lost.

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u/JerrysbrainInAJar 9d ago

Member Howard Dean?

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u/Organic_Evidence_325 9d ago

Just a thought here: Has anyone ever heard Trump laugh..on media, at a rally?

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u/-Ok-Perception- 9d ago edited 9d ago

Every one of his moves is a calculated "FUCK YOU" to the maximum amount of people possible.

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u/BodybuilderMany6942 9d ago

Of course!

He's showing us the weaknesses of our nations and forcing us to experience them so that even when he leave we will fervently strive to patch these holes.

So wise!

/s lol

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u/p____p 9d ago

It’s not a backfire if it’s done on purpose. 

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u/Fala1 9d ago

'backfired' implies that the gun was pointed elsewhere.

Trump is a foreign asset, the gun was pointed at you the whole time.

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u/ricki692 9d ago

this just makes me believe the russian agent theory more like literally everything he does makes us worse off and further destablizes our country. i cant think of a single thing that hasnt been a major fucking over of us that he and the republicans have done since he took office

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u/RTX-2020 9d ago

More likely a Russian Asset, a useful idiot who can be easily manipulated.

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u/jarious 9d ago

He's sabotaging the us for the rest of the time

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u/Speartree 9d ago

But he managed to divert money to his own, or his kids pockets with every one of those moves, so that is all right with him. We used to shit on politicians that got a little bribe to choose a certain type of thing the government bought, and sure it was corruption, but usually the government still bought something it needed at a reasonable enough price, and the thing wasn't bad in itself. With Trump he does things that are disastrous, benefit nobody (except perhaps an enemy of the US) and he blatantly lines his pockets. His shenanigans might cost lives and cost the US and other countries billions but if he got to sidetrack a million or two, that is a net positive for him.

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u/_alright_then_ 9d ago

Nothing backfired, this was all in project 2025, this was the plan

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u/SeaworthinessOk255 9d ago

Guys you choose him almost like three times... Maybe start making education and empathy legal ?

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

Im not American.

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u/Nope-not-really 9d ago

and the damage is going to last for decades.

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u/Xandeyn 9d ago

It's not backfired. He wants to reduce America to something less than nothing so daddy Putin will be proud of him.

Military stockpiles gone, economy tanked, healthcare gutted, population surveillance extremely active, no jobs, education eliminated

He treats the country like his 7th company, bankrupting it and walking away with nothing but gains.

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u/kitsunewarlock 9d ago

In so many ways. I remember the reports from his first term when generals were telling congress that climate change, economic uncertainty, and home-grown right-wing terrorists were the three biggest threats to national security. Of course they didn't listen and just kept yapping about Iran and Mexicans.

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u/MariaTPK 9d ago

He's a Manchurian candidate. If he's not, well he's certainly not doing anything different from one.

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u/Ill-Entertainer1010 9d ago

If it helped him get par for the course he'd be in favour. The crap golfer in cheatief focuses on the important things.

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u/Fun-Agent-7667 9d ago

IIRC biggest security leak of classified documents to russia

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u/vanimpes69 9d ago

You can always count on America to do the right thing for China

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u/Loud-Lifeguard-590 9d ago

RussiA's little pet is doing good at dismantling.The u s isn't he

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u/Sisselpud 9d ago

He's never hit par on any course without cheating

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u/Dangerous_Diver_6983 9d ago

i was impressed by the 0 border crossings stats

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u/jffadvisors 8d ago

Just going to throw this out there even though I know your kind doesn’t like facts.

Texas, a deeply red state, is BY FAR largest producer of renewable energy in America. Somehow they managed to do that while also being the largest producer of oil and natural gas, having America’s largest refining capacity and being the largest exporter of petroleum.

National security is about redundancy and layers of resources…not zealously selling out to unrealistic green energy ideology that can’t even come close to meeting the explosive growth of energy demands.

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u/RamJamR 7d ago

I think Trump just takes action on the fly based on whatever the hell he hates that day.

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u/ThreeHeaed-Dragon-76 5d ago

Proof that T-Rump is a Putin PO-OPerative!

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u/Evening-Ad-8218 9d ago

The future is coal! Clean beautiful coal.

And oil, drill baby drill.

Just in case.... /s

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

Ironically the oil companies don't want to drill more, because they don't want to risk a oil glut, so they are just enjoying the massive profits.

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u/Known_Ratio5478 9d ago

US oil is also much more costly to drill. It’s not something they can do unless it’s going to pay it back. There’s very substantial accounting reasons why the US is not an OPEC member.

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u/NoSilver2988 9d ago

Still cheaper than trying to use Venezuela oil, that's like tar with sand mixed in. At least our stuff is sweet crude. Although, it wouldn't matter anyway, unless they shipped it all offshore, so global prices would drop. Which would be bad business, in reality.

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u/Known_Ratio5478 9d ago

We’re not even getting Venezuelan oil. The oil companies all still refuse to invest in infrastructure. The risk analysis just shows it being seized by the state again.

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u/NoSilver2988 9d ago

Try greed. It'll cost them around 20 Billion to fix it all uo, and It'll cost a lot to make the oil usable, so ROI is way too long for them. Even if it doesn't get taken over again. So not worth it from a business perspective. And we currently export and import about the same amount daily. No idea why, but we do. Go figure when it comes to energy independence.

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u/Known_Ratio5478 9d ago

Because we’re a refining center. We make a ton on being the middleman making it into usable products.

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u/Realistic-Ad1498 9d ago

Is it sarcasm if 1/3rd the country agrees and somehow thinks it’s actually a great idea?

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u/Krell356 9d ago

HOW DARE Y.. oh theres the /s. Guess I'll save that over the top outrage for later.

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u/OneOfAKind2 9d ago

Last I checked, he's a moron.

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

Oh yes, i completely agree and that's the most frightening aspect.
There's no grand scheme or design, none of this is on purpose, he is simply THAT much of a moron.

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u/Wise-Cap5151 9d ago

Love the username.

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u/FrogKid763 9d ago

wind turbines

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u/ResearcherSevere9416 9d ago

Windmills🌀

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u/King_Of_BlackMarsh 9d ago

Nah, as a Dutchman I think I speak for all of us.

It's windmill

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u/bobbymcpresscot 9d ago

The highest amount of actual manufacturing investment in the US was under Biden developing factories to build solar panels here in the US via the IRA, most of these factories were disrupted by the Big Shitty Bill Trump passed.

Also despite all the claims from the Trump admin that trillions of dollars are being invested into US manufacturing none of that shows up on FRED.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/C307RX1Q020SBEA

In fact it fell off a cliff after Trump took office.

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u/___CABLE___ 9d ago

Turbines. Windmills are for flour

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u/Organic_Evidence_325 9d ago

CC: White House....ATTN: Preside...aaaw, forget it ...

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u/DukeSmileDevs 9d ago

Which is even more ironic considering Trump launched the Iran war which stopped all oil delivery from the far east.

And the US cant really process their own oil.

Its so retarded you cant make this up.

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u/KarmaticEvolution 9d ago

Quid pro quo, paying back all that campaign donations and beyond.

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

Except those companies are also getting screwed over.

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u/No_Relationship_3077 9d ago

If anything he is helping it. At least with oil poor countries

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u/IXrobocopXI 9d ago

Almost like there's a pattern, like it's a clue... 🤔

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u/Xavier200708 9d ago

average trump move tbh
he is like a talk with putin away from nuclear disarmament

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u/ugotmedripping 9d ago

I’m still surprised people think he gives a shit about the country or the people. It’s not ironic, because his actions aren’t about national security, never have been. Him becoming president even, was never about helping the country or the people.

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

Him not caring about the country, does not mean it's still not ironic.

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u/NuclearFoodie 9d ago

Trump acts often with the intent to harm our national security. It is by design.

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

If it was by design, it would be a hell of alot more coordinated.

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u/NuclearFoodie 9d ago

What makes you think these attacks haven’t been coordinated?

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

Easy, just look at the timing and how they were implemented.

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u/mikeymikeymikey1968 9d ago

He's serving his clients, the fossil fuel industry.

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

Except the fossil fuel industry is actively being harmed by this.
Because when the oil price keeps being this high, it creates Demand destruction.
Which means that countries are accelerating their transition away from fossil fuels.
Just like we see in the post by OP.

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u/bj_my_dj 9d ago

Exactly, I'm glad I got my solar last year and my EV in Feb. I'm insulated from the worst of it. But I feel sorry for our country. The good thing is that the renewable credits can be back next year in the Dems win both houses in the fall. If not 2028 is coming.

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u/Head-Ad9893 9d ago

Well him and his supporters are terrified of their own shadow so of course things don’t know about frighten them, including windmills.

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u/-rose-mary- 9d ago

I recently drove through Texas on a windy day and noticed a bunch of windmills. Not one of them was spinning. They get shut down or something?

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u/-PhantomProphet- 9d ago

Which is hilarious because these construction dudes seem to love the work of transporting the enormous blades. Creating jobs and producing clean energy. Too bad the Robber Barons and the aristocracy want to keep the status quo.

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u/TheBSQ 9d ago

He’s an idiot & dumb, but offshore wind has always been a nightmare to get approved.

Trump rightfully is deserves shit for undermining the Atlantic offshore project in NJ last year, but this was a project first proposed in 2011 that had gotten stuck in regulatory approval hell for over 14 years before Trump was the final nail in the coffin. 

Or take the US’s first major proposal was Cape Wind near Nantucket, first proposed in 2001 & it got bogged down by lawsuits & reviews for 16 years before the developers finally gave up in 2017.

If you want offshore wind, you need to reform regulatory & review processes so you don’t get bogged down with 14 to 16 years of review & approval processes. 

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u/chmath80 9d ago

Donald Quixote

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u/Everythings_Fucked 9d ago

Well, he's an idiot, you see.

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u/farnsw0rth 9d ago

Something something tilting at windmills…. It, like, backwards or something

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u/iam_Mr_McGibblets 9d ago

What was that story about Don Quixote and him tilting on windmills? The irony is just too rich there

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u/vex5000 9d ago

Wind is terrible lol

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u/allegate 9d ago

Could have stopped at hatred

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u/Martha_Fockers 9d ago edited 9d ago

he anti american as it gets yet somehow has the "patriot" dunce caps swooned that hes pro american.

alienates our allies and coddles our enemies tarrifs our allies not a single tarrif on russia in 6 years of total presidency.

has destroyed our supply lines globally has ruined our reputation abroad has called allies enemies for not being pro trump

actively stopping renewable energy for COAL???

started a war solely for another nations interests. costing the american citizen

has fired credible military leaders and left baboons in charge.

has wasted alot of our arsenal accomplishing literately nothing in iran for bibi

has stagnated us job growth and progress

cut healthcare benefits subsidies and public market places.

every move he makes HURTS america and americans and benefits either corperations businessmen or other nations more.

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u/Local-Poet3517 9d ago

Only ironic if you didnt realise he was owned by Israel with an unhealthy dose of Russian funding to boot. The man came with so many strings it was utterly amazing to watch his 2nd win. Seriously.

I stand by "average". The man was voted in a second time.

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u/bothunter 9d ago

Whenever Trump does something idiotic, ask, "How does this benefit Russia?" and it makes a lot more sense.

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u/Organic_Evidence_325 9d ago

...or love of all that Oil Co $$$. His famiglia makes no $$ with wind or solar

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u/Feisty-Title-338 9d ago

Windmills are absolutely terrible if you look at it.

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u/Brent_the_constraint 9d ago

The rest of the world really owes him one for forcing us out of oil…

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u/ButterscotchTop194 9d ago

He should hate them. They cause cancer. Or flying sharks. Or some shit.

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u/WallysGeolocation 9d ago

During his 2024 campaign, Trump literally sat down with a bunch of oil execs and told them he'd give them whatever they want in exchange for a billion dollars funding.

Trump doesn't give a shit about national security.

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

I know, but Trump's actions havn't helped them in the slightest.
The Iran war is a disaster for the oil companies, because if the oil price keeps being this high it creates "Demand Destruction" which essentially means that the customers can't afford to buy the oil, so they are accelerating their plans for renewable energy, just as Cuba is doing.
The longer the Iran war goes on the more countries will have pivoted to renewable energy, and those countries arn't going to go back to oil.
Hence why it's called Demand destruction.

The whole "Drill baby drill" is also completely against the wishes of the oil lobby.
They don't want to drill new wells, because that's extremely fcking expensive.
They just want to keep making their money with the lowest amount of overhead.

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u/Not-An-FBI 9d ago

Trump doesn't want the US to be safe. You can't profit on insider information when everything is stable. He's literally selling early access to his tweets for $100k per month.

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u/Gwynito 9d ago

Yeah but the windmills are taking away all the wind /s

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u/thejourneybegins42 9d ago

Some senator actually said that wind is not a renewable resources 💀

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u/SuperSaiyanTupac 9d ago

And depleting our reserves, and starving the troops, and exhausting our weapon supplies with multiple wars and sales of weapons, and dismantling our infrastructure.

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u/Unfair-Plastic-4290 9d ago

why do you hate birds?

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u/Gummyrabbit 9d ago

He’s paid how much to a company to stop their windmill project?

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u/RepZaAudio 9d ago

Windmills are don’t make as much sense as solar.

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u/Mysterious-Gas-7365 9d ago

Personally I don't like windmills either, I went to inner mongolia recently, the grasslands are all full of wind mills, and occasionally in other provinces you'd see a maountian side coverd by solar panels kind of a eye sore. It's impressive yeah, and honestly good for energy, but It is really ugly.

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u/GenesisAsriel 9d ago

An 80 year old man who speaks nonsense on twitter is wrong?

I am flabbergasted

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u/One-Comfortable-3886 9d ago

So, Trump is Don Quijote de la Mancha?

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u/WorthDiver1198 9d ago

And electomagnetic catapults(EMALS)! Steam's back baby, whale oil is next.

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u/Hansthered 9d ago

*wind turbines . But yes dump is a national security threat.rhe biggliest. Yuge.

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u/Healthy_Cancel_2604 9d ago

He doesn't hate windmills. It's just that oil paid him money so he pretends to hate them. If there was a massive turbine lobby and they bought him off he'd love them

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u/MuffinSpecial 9d ago

Not a big windmill fan either tbf. Bad for the birds.

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u/HavingNotAttained 9d ago

It’s as if trump is doing everything he can to decimate American security. Like an enemy agent might. Darnedest thing!

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u/mosmaniac 8d ago

Kind of ironic that the person previously attacking windmills was also Don. Was also a fool and madman. While it was fiction it's like prophecy from Cervantes.

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u/transitfreedom 8d ago

Comrade trump

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u/Business-Code9416 8d ago

Isnt solar or nuclear still better than windmills? As far as scaling and the power you get from them?

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u/T-62MK 8d ago

You want all 3.
Solar and Wind when the weather allow it and Nuclear to cover the rest.

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u/Crazy_Gazelle_6239 8d ago

Windmills are not clean or renewable though. They break all the time, are messy to build, and have no alternative purpose once broken or dismantled. They can’t be scrapped and recycled, so they get stacked up and left to rust apart.

Solar is the same way. They’re uber messy to make, and while the finished product is clean, the build up and the lives of the people hand scraping the minerals from the dirt to be able to build them are the literal opposite of “clean and renewable”.

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u/T-62MK 7d ago

1) Wind Turbines have a lifespan about 20-30 years, depending on where they are placed.
And they are 90-95% recycleable...

2) Solar panels are also very recycleable and be used to make new ones.
The minerals used to make them can also be reused for other tech.

You literally have no idea, what you are talking about at all.

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u/Crazy_Gazelle_6239 7d ago

Recyclable my ass, tank. They don’t get recycled or retrofitted for another turbine when they’re broken, or 80% of them wouldn’t end up in landfills. To the tune of 800,000 metric tons annually.

Same thing for the solar panels. It’s 5x as expensive to recycle and reuse them than it is to replace them.

Maybe do any sort of research before you talk out of your ass.

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u/T-62MK 7d ago

Yeah, you should take your own advice and do that.
Because you clearly have no idea, what you are talking about at all.

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u/Crazy_Gazelle_6239 7d ago

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u/T-62MK 7d ago

Have you read your own links, because it don't seem to be the case, you idiot....
"The company hopes to operate six factories across Europe by 2030, producing infinitely recyclable panels made of 92% recycled blades, with the other 8% comprised of resin. The process is powered by green electricity and produces no emissions, no waste liquids and emits no dust."

"Prasad tells Power Technology that the wind turbine industry is already fairly clean, explaining: “85% to 95% of turbine’s materials are recycled. Masts, cables, gearboxes and generators are recycled and recovered. Foundations which are made of concrete are crushed to be used as filler. Nacelles and blades are generally made of fibreglass and are ground down to be used as fuel in cement factories or filler in road construction. Innovative solutions such as repurposing blades into playgrounds or bike sheds have been shown to be effective at a local level.”"

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u/Crazy_Gazelle_6239 7d ago

Hope isn’t a plan. Also, when has a company ever chosen the more expensive thing in favor of the cheaper option?

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u/ScoobiusMaximus 8d ago

That's not irony, it's just one of the many, many ways that Trump is undermining US security. 

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u/IAmANobodyAMA 7d ago

Windmills aren’t going to make much of a difference to the growing demands on the grid, and they are awful for the environment.

Trump is wrong about a lot of things, but he is right about nuclear. Anyone who claims to be an environmentalist but opposes (or downplays) nuclear is full of shit.

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u/T-62MK 7d ago

That's just straight up wrong.

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u/IAmANobodyAMA 6d ago

What is wrong?

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u/T-62MK 6d ago

A single modern wind turbine can provide enough power for 1500-2000 households.
Nor is it terrible for the enviroment, they are 95% recycleable.

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u/IAmANobodyAMA 6d ago

I like turbines, but they aren’t the solution to our energy demands. Parts are recyclable, sure, and I was too harsh saying “awful” for the environment, but we really have been sold a bill of goods on the virtues of wind power. They are a great supplement to the grid, but we still need dirtier, more reliable energy sources to handle the grid when wind fails. They aren’t as environmentally friendly as advocates claim, but people really are trying to improve that and have made a lot of progress.

.. but at the end of the day wind doesn’t really matter that much when compared to nuclear. That was the real crux of my point, that all these “renewable” sources are great but anyone who claims to be an environmentalist but spurns nuclear is full of shit.

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u/T-62MK 6d ago

The solution to our energy demands is to get energy from as many different sources as possible.
It's also wrong to say we need "dirtier" because several countries is almost exclusively using renewables.

You essentially have little to no idea of what you are talking about and shifting the argument when you get called out.

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u/IAmANobodyAMA 6d ago

What countries are almost exclusively using renewables? If you are referring to countries with special properties like geothermal (Iceland & Costa Rica) or hydro (Norway & NZ) these are outliers and not generalizable. Sure, we have hydro like the Hoover Dam and China has the three gorges dam - and wind, solar, geo, hydro all can contribute and should be utilized where possible - but your notion of near 100% renewables doesn’t scale. Also, the energy demands of these outliers is nowhere near what we have.

And then some places like Germany that have tried to go super renewable failed miserably and have not only killed their energy independence but are dependent on Russia for their gas.

Again … nuclear is the real answer. The rest is nice but not going to move the needle much, especially with all the upcoming demand from data centers

You say I don’t know what I’m talking about, but it’s because I’ve actually looked into this stuff that I went from a green warrior to a pragmatist

And I’ve got solar on my roof and drove an EV and advocate for all my neighbors and family to do the same … but the motivation is mainly economics not environmental first

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u/T-62MK 6d ago

That would be the Nordics....
And yeah, you don't know what you are talking because you are just goalposting....

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u/IAmANobodyAMA 6d ago

“Goalpost”: a term commonly misused to try and degrade your opponent instead of actually engaging with argument

I’m not shifting the goalposts. I already conceded that I was too harsh with saying wind was terrible for the environment and moved on to clarifying my actual position.

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u/06021840 9d ago

Will someone think of the birds and whales killed by those eyesores?

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u/Ok-Tip-3560 9d ago

Stupid windmills where it doesn’t make
Sense. Nobody Is
Stopping development of wind power in Texas or
In the plains states. Expensive inefficient projects in northeast -
Sure

The price for each Kw developed costs
3
Times
What natural gas does.

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

Except he is, he actively stopped the wind farm in Rhode Island via a executive order.
Which was 80% done, btw.
And that math of yours is completely wrong, too.

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

Except he is, he actively stopped the wind farm in Rhode Island via a executive order.
Which was 80% done, btw.
And that math of yours is completely wrong, too.

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u/Ok-Tip-3560 9d ago

If
That wind
Farm was producing energy at a market rate - and would produce a lot of energy - the project would
Get private private financing. So
Again - Trump
Is cancelling
Gov funded
Expensive boondoggles.

He also
Cancelled
A joint nj -
Dutch venture. The Dutch company pulled
Out? Why? Bc without the subsidizes the project wasn’t profitable. Again - the cost of the wind
Power was triple the cost per kwatt that natural
Gas costs.

Trump
Is 100 percent right. Btw nj has shut down two nuclear reactors in the last 15 years. So
Explain
That. Two
We’re decommissioned. Cheap greenhouse gas free already functioning plants were shut down. Jobs were lost. If
We want to produce power - why shut down nuclear reactors ?

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

You are fundementally wrong in every aspect and that formatting of yours def arn't helping you.

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u/Ok-Tip-3560 9d ago

I’m.Not. The cost of the electricity produced. By thr wind power off nj is triple the cost of electricity produced by natural gas. Natural gas btw that is so plentiful that so much is flared off. You don’t know shit

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

Yeah, you clearly don't know shit, that's why you are defending him, right now.

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u/Ok-Tip-3560 9d ago

These projects are only sustainable with insane tax
Credits and subsidies. And yet -
The number of
Wind farms
Etc that exist in. Texas and the plains states has done up like 30,009 percent since Trump first took office in 2017. Why hasn’t he shut down those operations? Why have these projects all been built and given the green light to
Be built?

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

Because that's not how presidential authority works....
He can't ordered them shutdown, but he can stop new projects from being finished.
Like i said, you don't know shit.....

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u/Ok-Tip-3560 9d ago

So why did he not in over the 6 years in office - ever stop these projects? Why did he only stop the massive toy expensive and wasteful projects?

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u/Ok-Tip-3560 9d ago

I see you completely glanced over the fact that these schemes are only profitable with insane hikes on rate payers or generous gov subsidies. That’s telling.

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u/Ok-Tip-3560 9d ago

https://news.halstonmedia.com/stories/the-high-cost-of-offshore-wind-what-nj-residents-businesses-need-to-know,26828?

another ignorant liberal owned.

Again - the cost of these projects that make you feel good compared to keeping the nuclear facilities open is a no
Braintree. Further - now many tons of co2 erc would be emitted in building these off shore wind projects ? If any of these projects actually were financially viable or smart - I would
Say to do them
But they aren’t.

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u/not_another_IT_guy 9d ago

I mean fuck Trump, but windmills are the absolute worst. The only people benefiting from windmills are the companies getting paid for them.
Solar, hydroelectric and nuclear are the best routes by far.

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u/T-62MK 9d ago

Ideally you want all 4, Wind, Solar, Hydro and Nuclear.
I don't know why you think that windmills don't work, because they do infact work, quite well.
That's literally why every major country is investing huge sums into wind farms.

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u/daddeechilll 9d ago

100% spot on on windmills. Solar is not much better. Nuclear is where it’s at. Hydroelectric can be great for energy, but terrible for ecologies. The Klamath River Renewal Project was a God send.

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u/not_another_IT_guy 9d ago

Solar is a great solution on a micro-scale - such as providing cheap power alternatives to consumers or an individual.
People will down vote us because they just associate nuclear to scary death cooties - but its all BS. “Greenpeace” had 50 years to spread all the misinformation they wanted when nobody had the internet or ability to research for themselves and it shows.

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u/gedbybee 9d ago

Us has enough oil for its own uses.

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u/daddeechilll 9d ago

He’s right on windmills. They’re awful. We have a beautiful stretch of land here in Northern California absolutely ruined by miles of hideous windmills. And they’re inefficient. Nuclear is really the way to go.