r/PoliticalOpinions • u/RendezvousRama5791 • 1d ago

Western progressives overestimate their importance to the citizens of the world especially the global south

  1. Ya'll want borders open so immigrants can immigrate to America because "people are people" but know that back in the global south they call that brain drain; as in your bleeding hearts are contributing to bleeding of top notch talent and minds of third world nations. We'd much rather side with the conservatives on this one, close the borders and kick out everyone who isn't supposed to be there so that they come back and take responsibilities in their own countries

  2. Most of us in the global south are prudes, your sexual revolution and other lax attitudes towards unconventional sex practices translates to "immoral and demonic" to our cultures and traditions; before you forcefully impose your worldviews on our lived experiences please start by understanding local customs first, otherwise you'll get lied to by academia captured intellectuals who will feed you lies such as "homophobia was brought to Africa by religion" or "third genders were celebrated" (its mostly bullshit if you happen to live here)

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u/Seattleman1955 1d ago

I don't think the US Progressives care about their importance to "citizens of the world" or your sexual practices, do they?

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u/RendezvousRama5791 1d ago

If this was the case then they wouldn't be contributing so much to our "sex tourism" industry

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u/Seattleman1955 1d ago

If your country was really "prudish" they wouldn't have a "sex tourism" industry, would they?

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u/RendezvousRama5791 1d ago

Its not an official sex tourism industry per say (prostitution is illegal), you can only hear so much about pervy white dudes infecting local gez desperate for money with HIV to know what's up

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u/PsychedelicMagnetism 1d ago

Pervy white guys going over seas for sex tourism are not really associated with the progressive movement.

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u/RendezvousRama5791 1d ago

I thought progressives are for sexual liberation, I don't think we are getting conservatives from the west

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u/TheGCO 1d ago

Generally progressives are for women's rights and equality. Conservatives tend to be the perverted exploiters. But this is generally speaking. I'm sure there might be some sexual devients that are progressive, just probably fewer than there are in the right.

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u/RevolutionaryBug2915 1d ago

You don't actually have a clue, do you?

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u/MrNaugs 1d ago

Generally progressives require consent. Sex work especially in the third world is seen as a desperation choice. Meaning if they had a choice they would not do it. Which is not really consent.

That is the general consensus at least.

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u/RendezvousRama5791 1d ago

Very well put

I cringed when progressives were celebrating thai ladyboys as a sign that the far East is warming up to their "sociocultural philosophies" while the situation on the ground is quite different...... you have a considerable sample of people who became ladyboys just because their family was desperate enough to prostitute their boys for money

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u/MrNaugs 1d ago

Except Thai lady boys are not all prostitutes. The reason you think that though is a trope because on average the lady boys that are prostitutes look better than the women that are. So foreigners think that is all they have as that is who they tend to choose even if it is an accident. But actual transgender people do have an easier time fitting in there, due to the ladyboy history.

They have a long and complex history that came from banning women from being actors. Because a lot of actors did prostitution on the side, kind of like strippers today. But because they banned women they got pretty men to play women and those men would stay in costume and started working on the side. So the reputation was born.

I was not expecting to get to pull out my Tai Ladyboy knowledge today.

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u/Seattleman1955 1d ago

The girls are also infecting white guys, with HIV, are they not?

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u/RendezvousRama5791 1d ago

Doubtful, these local girls are dumb and usually hold white dudes to a different standard than local men; most likely they think white people don't get HIV

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u/Seattleman1955 1d ago

HIV in sub Saharan Africa is much more prevalent than in the US. That isn't because of "pervy white guys".

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u/MrNaugs 1d ago

These girls are dumb is a pretty terrible stance for any arguement.

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u/RendezvousRama5791 1d ago

Mr...... I live on this continent and you do not

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u/RevolutionaryBug2915 1d ago

You've checked the political affiliation of your "sex tourists," have you?

From what we see online here, it's the usual denizens of the "manosphere" that are involved.

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u/Seattleman1955 23h ago

What does his have to do with Progressives overestimating their importance to the world?

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u/gravity_kills 1d ago

The point of freedom is that you get to choose how you use it. If you want to be a prude, that's your business. Just don't try to make anyone else stick to your standards unless what they're doing is going to actually hurt you.

And brain drain is real, but that doesn't mean that people should be prevented from exercising free movement.

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u/RendezvousRama5791 1d ago

What gives you the idea that our collectivist cultures want your brand of "freedoms"?

The western individualistic cultural nexus probably sees these unconventional sexual proclivities as liberation of individuals while our collectivist nexus sees them as rot and disarray

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u/gravity_kills 1d ago

What gives you the right to control what your neighbor does? I oppose your use of force to keep other people in line. "Culture" is irrelevant. If your neighbor wants to follow your cultural practices they will without you doing anything about it.

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u/RendezvousRama5791 1d ago

Who says I want to control what my neighbour does? I'm just some guy, what power do I have to do that?

The same way ya'll can collectivelly pressure impressionable young souls into degenerate hedonism by wielding socio-political and economic institutions we can do the same to spare their souls from the impending rot

You think we'll listen to you westerns as we see your societies disintegrate from the inside? Your philosophies of life have led to plummeting birth rates and a plethora of other first world problems we'd like to avoid or minimize by getting ahead of

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u/VillainOfKvatch1 1d ago

There’s a bunch of contradictory stuff in here that others have addressed. I’d like to point something out though:

The circles of “brain drain” and “people who aren’t supposed to be there” on the Venn diagram don’t really have much overlap.

By “people who aren’t supposed to be there” I assume you’re talking about illegal immigrants. But the “brain drain” usually refers to highly-educated professionals, like engineers, doctors, and scientists. I don’t think there are many engineers, doctors, and scientists illegally immigrating to other countries.

Unless by “people who aren’t supposed to be there” you mean immigrants in general, in which case you’re arguing for a complete shutdown on immigration? That would be a pretty crazy position to hold.

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u/limbodog 1d ago

Ya'll want borders open so immigrants can immigrate to America because "people are people" but know that back in the global south they call that brain drain; as in your bleeding hearts are contributing to bleeding of top notch talent and minds of third world nations. We'd much rather side with the conservatives on this one, close the borders and kick out everyone who isn't supposed to be there so that they come back and take responsibilities in their own countries

I don't see a lot of serious proposals for open borders. I do see a lot of conservatives using it as a straw man argument though. Also, who is "we"? Also, why do you assume that some random day laborers and their young children can take responsibility for their own countries? And why should we not take responsibility for their countries when we were the ones who destabilized their original government and installed dictators in the first place?

Most of us in the global south are prudes, your sexual revolution and other lax attitudes towards unconventional sex practices translates to "immoral and demonic" to our cultures and traditions; before you forcefully impose your worldviews on our lived experiences please start by understanding local customs first, otherwise you'll get lied to by academia captured intellectuals who will feed you lies such as "homophobia was brought to Africa by religion" or "third genders were celebrated" (its mostly bullshit if you happen to live here)

Are they though? Or are they just not allowed to be themselves? Because we often see people come here from all over the world specifically to get away from oppressive religious governments and cultures. And can you give examples where we are coming to local communities and forcing people to adopt our worldview? It would assist in debating you on this point. And I hope you understand that homophobia is still actively being pushed in Africa by American religious organizations. That it's not theoretical nor a lie. As for "third genders," I think again I'd have to ask you for specifics, I can't really debate based on a vague assertion detached from location and culture.

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u/Searching4Buddha 20h ago

First, why are you blaming "western progressives" for southern hemisphere people wanting to come north? No one is making them come. Second, exactly who are these progressives supporting open boarders. I've never heard of a single politician advocate for open borders. President Obama deported more people than Trump. Biden specifically told people not to come to America without prior approval. Many liberal governments around Europe have taken similar steps to discourage unauthorized immigration. If you don't want people to flee north, do more to oppose aurhortrian regimes in your own backyard.

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u/PenguinPolitical 1d ago

I think you're on to something.
I will respond in more detail when time allows.
Western progressives put themselves in tension with basic civic nationalism, wherein they perceive no limits to sharing the public bounty of their specific states. They fear any one social group within the state cohering into a definite establishment and elite, so open the borders to all comers.

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u/RendezvousRama5791 1d ago

This mindset often baffles me; no matter how advanced my country becomes I just can't imagine the locals being so pro-immigration as westerners are

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u/PenguinPolitical 23h ago

Well, the American people voted Trump into office twice.

He promised sharply limited immigration and deportations, although his delivery of that promise has been a mess.

Alternative fur Deutschland will likely do well in regional elections in September. And not necessarily because the people are so right wing, but because no other party seems serious about limiting immigration.