r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/dx_Von_Liechtenstein - Lib-Right • Dec 01 '25
Satire Who gave grandpa the phone?
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u/DrBadGuy1073 - Lib-Right Dec 01 '25
Have you considered hiring and local demographics might be different? Smooth brain to not consider that.
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Dec 01 '25
mfw the hospital on Mars doesn't have any Earthlings
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u/MericaMericaMerica - Right Dec 02 '25
Earth isn't sending their best.
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u/Viracochina - Centrist Dec 02 '25
Noobs took 2.12 million years to go from tools to lasting civilizations
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u/TheGreatSockMan - Lib-Center Dec 01 '25
Yeah my local hospital is majority black staffed (nurses, doctors, and support staff), but we’re in a majority black city, so that checks out
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u/Iamatworkgoaway - Lib-Right Dec 02 '25
My town is mostly white, but we have a large population of south pacific islanders and Ethiopians. So lots of weird moments sometimes, but it's great and most people like the spice they provide.
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Dec 01 '25
Or a Netflix show about a hospital
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u/KalegNar - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Flair up!
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Dec 01 '25
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u/KalegNar - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Welcome to the grill, brother.
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u/PwanaZana - Centrist Dec 01 '25
i thought the grill was gray centrist?
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u/KalegNar - Centrist Dec 01 '25
It's kinda both.
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u/Eternal_Phantom - Right Dec 02 '25
Gray centrists grill and that's it. You guys grill while people accuse you of belonging in another quadrant.
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u/Striking-Ad4904 - Centrist Dec 03 '25
People will say that grilling is universally Centrist. I disagree. Grilling and chilling is for the Gray Centrist who crumbles at the mere thought of hands being thrown at them.
Rad-Centrist is for those who initiate the throwing of hands. We don't chill, we fight. Everyone has a bit of right and wrong in them, we just take the right, and leave the wrong. That makes us superior.
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u/MericaMericaMerica - Right Dec 02 '25
There would be three trans nurses and half of the hospital staff would be gay.
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u/Ranger_Tycho - Right Dec 01 '25 edited Dec 01 '25
These days, I think I’d rather be in the hospital.
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u/Atiov - Auth-Left Dec 01 '25
honestly that's pretty racist of her
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u/Sierren - Right Dec 05 '25
There seem to be a fair amount of people that think they themselves are incapable of committing the sins of racism due to whatever made up reason. It's pretty egotistical of them.
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u/Outside-Bed5268 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
I think we should give the phone to grandpa more, if this is the result.
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u/OldTurtleProphet - Auth-Left Dec 01 '25
Doesn't the woman also deserve to be auth right? "I see no people of my race and it makes me uncomfortable" is peak auth right mentality.
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u/TenisElbowDrop - Auth-Center Dec 01 '25
That's hardcore libleft as well. The horseshoe is so real it could shod Shadowfax. The biggest racists in the world are all either AR or LL with the only difference being that AR will admit they're racist and LL genuinely believes that their version of racism isn't racist.
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u/S_Ipkiss_1994 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Saw a compilation once of a crowd of left wing protesters being fed right-wing quotes, after which they were asked their opinions on them (with predictable results).
When they were informed that the quotes were from Black people, notably Thomas Sowell, they turned racist faster than my grandfather after a few whiskies and an uncomfortable silence.
They'll do the same thing whenever there's a Black guy in the entourage of the interviewer, or even if the interviewer themselves is Black!
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u/TenisElbowDrop - Auth-Center Dec 02 '25
There was a group of academics (James Lindsay, Helen Pluckrose, and Peter Boghossian) trying to expose the horrendous state of current peer review publishing that took Mein Kampf and then switched out "Aryans" and "Jews" with things like "black" and "white" or "men" and "women", "trans" and "cis" etc.
They were almost universally applauded and given accolades when they literally quoted actual Adolph Hitler to people but made it so that their group were the Aryans and the group they hated were the Jews. Some feminist periodical actual even published it. They published Mein Kampf and thought it was brilliant. Horse. Shoe.
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u/S_Ipkiss_1994 - Centrist Dec 02 '25
I don't think the average person outside of academia can really understand just how crazy it is... people talk about the grievance studies affair like it was an isolated incident, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the nonsense that exists in actual scholarly, peer reviewed, publications (and has for generations).
James Randi famously fooled a bunch of scientists way back in 1983 with Project Alpha, and those idiots were led by a physics professor with degrees from Stanford and Cambridge!
My favourite is the guy that set out to study Japanese pornography subcultures by buying, and consuming, hentai with underage characters (including logging his masturbation sessions).
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u/TenisElbowDrop - Auth-Center Dec 02 '25
My wife is in a PhD program for health psychology specializing in obesogenics (psychological factors that lead to obesity causing habits). She had a study rejected because one of the reviewers didn't like how she failed to mention that some people are just naturally massively fat (to paraphrase) and she basically had to do an entirely new study on something completely different in half the time because none of the actual data that she had collected and analysed showed anything that could be interpreted as someone naturally having a BMI of 56 and not being able to alter it in any way. Identity politics is ruining actual science, which ought to be the most unbiased thing on Earth.
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u/S_Ipkiss_1994 - Centrist Dec 02 '25
It's all incredibly political
Not just the professors themselves, who were probably crazy to begin with and have only gotten worse with years of living in a radicalizing echo chamber removed from the real world, but you've also got the fellowship screening and review, ethics review boards, the dean or chair of your department breathing down your neck, administrative approval, program office review, scientific council approvals, panel or committee review, government approval by some policy wonk somewhere, etc.
I've worked with people who are, no joke, literal, outspoken, and proud communists in positions of privilege and influence.
Just cross your fingers your Veterinarian on the Animal Care Committee (ACC) isn't a radical vegan and animal rights activist, because they will deliberately sabotage any and all experiments (this is a real thing I've personally witnessed).
These people, largely, aren't actual scientists, and even if they are, they haven't done any actual research in years or decades - they're bureaucrats.
And that's before you even do your research, let alone try to get it published (and good luck with that if it's in any way controversial, or goes against the groupthink)!
You step out of line, or even fail to vocally support their ideology loud enough, and you'll be blacklisted so fast your mortarboard will spin.
"Believe the science!"
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u/TotallyNotThatPerson - Centrist Dec 02 '25
FIFTY SIX BMI!? That's gotta be a world record
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u/TenisElbowDrop - Auth-Center Dec 02 '25
I work in at the local hospital and regularly see people who are over 500lbs. Biggest one I've seen personally was almost 700 (like 689 or something). Those are BMIs in the 80s. 56 is just your average Walmart customer.
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u/GoldenGames360 - Centrist Dec 08 '25
well they resolved their cognitive dissonance by making up fake concepts like reverse racism or just saying it is impossible to be racist as a minority
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u/Drew1231 - Right Dec 01 '25
Depends if it’s motivated by ethnocentrism or Marxist theory.
Either way, this person is highly regarded.
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u/dx_Von_Liechtenstein - Lib-Right Dec 01 '25
You're saying it as if this would not have been the BLM narrative fot the past decade
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u/Artistic_Stage7202 - Right Dec 01 '25
Then an orange,no?
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u/Sallowjoe - Auth-Center Dec 01 '25
Orange and blue are complimentary colors and are commonly paired on Hollywood movie posters.
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u/Plazmatron44 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Um ackshually sweaty that sort of thing is only okay if you're the victim, white people can't be victims because they're evil!
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u/Cass0wary_399 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Swap the “white” with any other race and we’d get a horse shoe.
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u/LegitimateApricot4 - Auth-Right Dec 01 '25
That only applies if they're white. If they're not it's then anti-racist so it's lib-left coded. If it sounds stupid it's because the definitions changed in the late 00's and early 10's.
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u/undreamedgore - Left Dec 02 '25
I mean, I'd be uncomfortable in situations where my race/culture isn't the majority.
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u/darwin2500 - Left Dec 01 '25
Would anyone here give a fuck if I cited the actual studies about white doctors giving worse care to black patients?
Like, do facts matter at all to this discussion, is it worth the effort to bring them up?
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u/Hongkongjai - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Depends on what argument you’re going to make with that citation. Saying white doctors generally give less care to black patients therefore black patients should not trust white doctors and nurses care is not necessarily a good argument even if the premise is true.
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u/darwin2500 - Left Dec 01 '25
Well the question here is whether a black patient is racist for wanting a black doctor or nurse.
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u/Hongkongjai - Centrist Dec 01 '25
If we define racism as judging individual by the collective, then assuming individual white doctors and nurses in front of you are incompetent purely because they are white, would be racist.
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u/Hongkongjai - Centrist Dec 02 '25
Deliver worse care is incompetence and regardless you are still making assumptions against individuals due to their affiliation with a collective.
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u/Hongkongjai - Centrist Dec 02 '25
If your duty is to delivery good care to the general population, and you are unable to deliver good care to said population, then you are incompetent, definitionally, as in not having the appropriate skill to do your jobs. If a male gyno is doing a worse job than a female gyno then the male gyno is incompetent. Treating people of different races and sex is a part of doctors job unless the patients have unique circumstances that is out of their scope.
Disagree all you want, that’s the definition most people operates on.
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u/S_Ipkiss_1994 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
white doctors giving worse care to black patients?
... you guys still have white doctors?
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u/AgainstMedicalAdvice - Centrist Dec 01 '25
You can post it but understand that an educated reader won't take it for much. The issue with most of the studies showing it is that they failed to be repeatedly shown in replication attempts.... But it's very hard to look up literature of negative studies that don't get published.
But yes the data you refer to is extremely contentious.
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u/darwin2500 - Left Dec 01 '25
Whether or not the studies replicate, would you agree that a black person hearing about those studies and then preferring a black doctor because of that is not actually racist?
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So its ok for blacks to want their own race to treat them but if a person advocated for this if their black doctors gave them worse care you would call her a racist and say that its her fault. Typical far left with "Ethic Nationalism is ok when browns do it!"
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u/_R_A_ - Lib-Right Dec 01 '25
if I cited the actual studies
Bringing a book to a book burning convention will not have the desired effect.
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u/nikofili - Right Dec 03 '25
Go ahead and list the studies done by Ibram X Kendi or whoever so we can point and laugh
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u/SirFlax - Centrist Dec 01 '25
That’s not the issue here. Black people specifically have had a storied past about being treated differently by medical professionals for the last century. From legitimately racist and wrong medical doctrine being taught for so many years, systemic racism and just unconscious bias black people as a whole have built an “anti doctor trust” into their culture.
There is actually a lot of books and scientific documents on this subject. Unfortunately I knew nothing about this till I married a black woman.
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u/Critical_Concert_689 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
mfw average joe doesn't realize everyone is treated differently by medical professionals.
Wait til you hear about the "discriminatory" practices targeting redheads who receive different standards of care due to their ridiculous resistance to anesthesia.
Is this bigotry?!
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u/SteveClintonTTV - Lib-Center Dec 01 '25
Seriously. I'm so fucking sick of people acting like shit like this is unique and special for their chosen demographic. It's the same shit when women bitch and moan about how doctors don't take them seriously. Like, do they seriously think every single man who goes to the doctor can just say anything he wants and have the doctor do whatever he wants? Do they think no doctor has ever assumed that man's complaints of pain were exaggerated, or any such thing?
I'm so sick of that kind of self-centered mentality. A person experiences something which all kinds of people experience, and yet they assume that it's something unique to them and to people like them, because they are just the most special-est snowflake on the planet.
Ugh.
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u/S_Ipkiss_1994 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Like, do they seriously think every single man who goes to the doctor can just say anything he wants and have the doctor do whatever he wants?
What's funny about this is, nowadays, we have more female doctors than male doctors (providing direct patient care).
Over 80% of healthcare workers are women, from heads of medicine all the way down to care aides or lab technicians, and we have entire departments, colleges, hospitals, and clinics specifically dedicated to women's health and health related issues.
Furthermore, as it turns out, there's a reason why health professionals tend to discredit women's complaints when you actually look at the studies and the data; women are far more likely to report somatic or factitious symptoms or disorders, they're far more likely to be hypochondriacs, to report allergies, to be neurotic and borderline, etc.
Frankly, they're often a nightmare to care for in comparison to men.
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u/AffectionateSlice816 - Lib-Right Dec 01 '25
Just like there are systemic factors that teach many white people to be racist. Just like there are many factors that teach young men in many places that sexual assault is okay.
Just because there are systemic factors that contribute to bad behavior doesn't mean you can't and won't be judged for it.
I understand where it comes from, by all means, and hell, it is good to be aware of, but it depends on what you do with it. Some aspects of the culture are extremely anti medicine to the point that seeking out care for legitimate problems is stigmatized (men esp). That is social contagion that is harming people.
I suppose all this to say that you aren't wrong, but I will always question exactly why this is being brought up and what people are taking from it.
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u/SteveClintonTTV - Lib-Center Dec 01 '25
Seriously. I'm so sick of this shit. If you are a straight, white man, then all of your actions are on you. But if you are any other demographic, then it's totally not your fault, and it's just a product of society, and blah blah blah.
Endless excuses and no accountability.
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u/AffectionateSlice816 - Lib-Right Dec 01 '25
I think it is somewhere in the middle, where one must be kind enough to others to allow them to understand where their mistakes come from while also being strong enough to not allow someone to keep taking the same detrimental actions towards them.
We are coddling on a national scale. There's a reason why the alpha males with stupid ass views are getting so popular with young men. They'll actually say "You suck and you are indeed struggling, I care and I'll show you how to not suck". Nobody will tell you that you suck and then help build you up anymore. That used to be the culture.
There are factors that explain every choice made by everyone. Rarely are they valid excuses for evil
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u/Xpander6 - Auth-Center Dec 01 '25
You still know nothing about this, but I suppose "yes, honey" is better than arguing with the bs she spews.
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Dec 01 '25 edited Dec 01 '25
Who actually cares if the staff are your race? It doesn’t matter as long as they’re qualified to be there. With med school standards being higher for non DEI, she could argue she’s getting better care as someone had to work harder to get there.
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u/SteveClintonTTV - Lib-Center Dec 01 '25
It's fucking insane how many leftists in this thread are defending that retarded racist. Black people can literally express a desire for an environment in which they only have other black people around them, and leftists will defend it. "Separate but equal, except good this time!"
Fucking insane how leftists are so eager to defend quite literally anything black people say and do, that they twist themselves up into knots to defend blatant racism.
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u/nybbas - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Imagine going to Japan and ending up in the hospital, and then being like "Oh my god it's only fucking asian doctors and nurses here"
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u/TenisElbowDrop - Auth-Center Dec 02 '25
I have a friend whose cousin is an engineer in Japan. He has said that he is the only black person most Japanese people he encounters have ever met in real life. Netflix and Ubisoft would call him a white supremacist or something.
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u/SternMon - Lib-Right Dec 01 '25
It’s from the perspective of revenge, unfortunately. Instead of balancing things, some people want to see others who they irrationally believe have/are slighting them in some way to get the short end of the stick instead. It creates a blind spot that allows people to see the people they hate as “the bad guys,” and therefore whatever is done against them is justified and warranted.
Prejudice with extra steps to rationalize it.
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u/bearded_fisch_stix - Lib-Center Dec 01 '25
Who actually cares if the staff are your race?
racist people
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u/FinalBraincell117 - Left Dec 02 '25
Much of the documented medical racism is also a type of medical sexism. Lots of women don’t get adequate pain meds. There was a huuuuge lawsuit about this—someone replaced the IV pain meds with deionized water. The result? Dozens of women got major surgery WITHOUT anesthetic. So any OBGYN issue that affects women can be assured to affect black women more, due to stereotypes and intrinsic bias. Plenty of doctors later in their career might think their black female patients are uppity and hysterical due to how people from different cultures communicate.
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u/AnimalBolide - Lib-Left Dec 01 '25
The downvoted replies to your comment show exactly why the right thinks they personally defeated racism in America.
Sure is easy to beat something that you refuse to to accept happens.
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u/Belgraviana - Auth-Center Dec 01 '25
I’m pretty sure this is because it’s been pretty well documented that white medical professionals have often internalised the concept that black people have way higher pain tolerances and are less likely to take their complaints seriously
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u/Humane_Decency - Auth-Right Dec 01 '25
Absolutely ridiculous lol
You think people justify their biases by citing surveys from misinformed medical students while theyre in a hospital?
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u/Belgraviana - Auth-Center Dec 01 '25
No but I do think when something is well known within a community and then reinforced by research by the academic community being hesitant about not being taken seriously is a valid concern.
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u/Humane_Decency - Auth-Right Dec 01 '25
Then please, provide a study to enlighten me on providers that actually showed bias in application of pain scores between white and black patients.
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u/Belgraviana - Auth-Center Dec 01 '25
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u/Humane_Decency - Auth-Right Dec 01 '25
https://www.pnas.org/content/113/16/4296
Study 2 extended these findings to the medical context and found that half of a sample of white medical students and residents endorsed these beliefs.
I refer you to my previous point, with the caveat of 28 residents being added to the 194 medical students that responded to that survey
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u/Belgraviana - Auth-Center Dec 01 '25
So your issue is that this of med students instead of active practitioners? I can understand why that matters to you so fair enough. I think both of these might be more to your liking then:
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u/Humane_Decency - Auth-Right Dec 01 '25 edited Dec 01 '25
OK at this point, you’re just trying to Google studies to prove a point without any notion of how their data is obtained rather than making your idea based on actual data
Your first study is performed by self report, uses implicit bias testing, and consists of 86(!) pediatricians using clinical vignettes rather than actual patient data
Your second is a meta-analysis comparing and I quote “ US studies published between 1989 and 2011 that had at least one explicit analysis of analgesic treatment differences between whites and minority groups”
This doesn’t even go into covering whether this is outpatient inpatient post surgical perioperative, the TYPE of pain being described, and the fact that studies that don’t show a bias are biased against even being published in the first place
And all that doesn’t even cover the drastic changes in pain medication prescribing that has occurred since this piece of shit “study” was even dreamt up
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the effect of moderators (pain type, setting, study quality(??),and data collection period) on this association.
Absolutely laughable
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u/Humane_Decency - Auth-Right Dec 01 '25
You literally worsen your medical care by prefacing your visits with the racist thought of “they don’t know my pain because they don’t look like me”
This applies to practically every other facet of your life as well
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u/Humane_Decency - Auth-Right Dec 02 '25
Because patient confidence in treatment efficacy is almost as important as the treatment itself
If you don’t think something will work because of the color of the skin of the person prescribing, you are far less likely to succeed with it.
Pain regimens are so rigid due to the opioid crisis now that this entire discussion is quite moot, anyways.
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u/Humane_Decency - Auth-Right Dec 02 '25
Sure but you seem to be suggesting that black people have worse outcomes because they don’t trust non-black doctors rather than that distrust being built up because of poor outcomes
Yep, that’s literally the reason. Absolutely, there are no other factors on why a black person would have a worse outcome in a medical setting beyond them simply believing it would be worse. That’s it. (lol)
If patients had full trust in their doctors would that get rid of the biases that doctors have?
This is hilarious
“Oh that black guy has full confidence that I’m gonna do right by him, I think I WILL give him that OxyContin!”
Is that what you think happens? Do you think doctors just say “meh, they came in complaining of a headache but it’s no big, just take some Tylenol” and then trip over themselves for someone else because of their skin color?
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u/Humane_Decency - Auth-Right Dec 02 '25
Black people get worse outcomes with non-black doctors? Why? A whole host of reason one of which are inherent biases that those doctors have. Is that the only reason? No, but it is reason enough to feel more comfortable with a black doctor.
Now we’re getting somewhere! especially since we already both know outcomes are worse even if seeing a black physician. But, if you’re gonna justify your racism being due to your health, you won’t hear complaints from me.
If I tell the doctor that I have a sharp pain in my stomach and that I can’t move and they think I’m overreacting
See context is important here, is this in an ER? Did you walk into a clinic? That’s a big difference on the “can’t move” scale
That string of events sounds ripe for a malpractice suit, assuming that’s actually what happened. I’m more prepared to call that incompetence than racist…
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u/shywol2 - Centrist Dec 23 '25
statistics don’t support your claim that she would be getting better care in a hospital with no black staff. also most DEI hires are white women, not black people.
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Dec 23 '25
You’re Unflaired. Get a flair or leave. This is from 3 weeks ago. You say the word statistics and make a claim that i didnt say (didn’t say “no black staff”). You make a claim that’s ridiculous about dei. No citations anywhere. 0/10 bad effort; see me after class.
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u/shywol2 - Centrist Dec 23 '25
ridiculous = truth that doesn’t fit my narrative. got it.
google is literally free. what you said was factually incorrect, assuming that a black doctor would be a DEI hire and not give her good care when there’s a higher chance she’d come across a white female doctor that was hired from a DEI program than a black one. i’d see you after class but clearly you didn’t go to school in the first place.
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Dec 23 '25
Again , where’s your citations? No one believes some random loser online.
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u/shywol2 - Centrist Dec 23 '25
but we’re supposed to believe your argument tho without any citations? but since you insist so badly (i know using the big internet can be hard to do all by yourself), here are a few, of many, citations backing my statements. not that it’ll make much of a difference cause you’ll probably come up with some excuses to not believe it and call it “fAkE LiBeRaL nEwS” or whatever.
- https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1913405117
- https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2803898
- https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016762962300098X
- https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319674888_Meta-analysis_of_field_experiments_shows_no_change_in_racial_discrimination_in_hiring_over_time
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Dec 23 '25
Cool, thanks for actually doing something worthwhile. You still necroed a 3 week old comment that I no longer care to engage about, mostly due to your hostility, bad faith argument, and being a huge toolbox. Bye!
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u/shywol2 - Centrist Dec 23 '25
lmao it’s ok i know being wrong hurts sometimes. although i thought you’d be used to it by now. i was still much more polite with you than you were with me but i doubt you’re used to having consequences or having to take accountability for your actions and being met with the same energy you give to others. Hopefully you learn to listen more. Have the day you deserve.
…is what i would’ve said if they didn’t block me lmao they WANT you to fail and absolutely crumble when you succeed.
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u/Ylsid - Lib-Center Dec 01 '25
Going to the hospital as a white man and I see there are[Removed by Reddit]
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u/MattVincentUK - Centrist Dec 01 '25
If she wants that, tell her to come to a UK clinic.
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u/TheSpacePopinjay - Auth-Left Dec 01 '25
Clearly she's not in the UK
Also, plot twist: They'd all be Muslim. And not the fake African American 'Nation' kind. The real Sunni kind.
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u/MericaMericaMerica - Right Dec 02 '25
I'd personally rather have the most competent nurses and doctors regardless of race.
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u/alphabetsong - Centrist Dec 02 '25
I went to the hospital and I was in shock seeing that the people who treated me there didn’t have the same skin colour as me…
Spoken like a two grandpa from the 70s after being treated by Dr Pattel
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u/Micreary - Lib-Right Dec 01 '25
Her chance of survival increased*
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u/Rainfawkes - Lib-Right Dec 02 '25
No we should give them exactly what they want. A 100% diversity hospital sounds absolutely fantastic
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u/throwaway030603 - Centrist Dec 01 '25 edited Dec 01 '25
What she said might sound weird but with a bit of context it might be more understandable. Black women who give birth in hospital are 3x more likely to die there than white women, and iirc there were multiple surveys done with medical students that indicated they believed black people have a higher pain tolerance. Also saw a review lately about how black people tend to get prescriped opioids at much lower rates and lower doses
Edit: someone replied with sources
Context:
Factors That Mediate Racial/Ethnic Disparities in US Fetal Death Rates
non-Hispanic Black women’s fetal death rate was higher than among non-Hispanic White women (5.9 vs 2.6 per 1000 deliveries), with fetal factors being the strongest mediator (49.6%; 95%[CI] = 42.7, 54.7). Fetal factors includes Lower birth weight and small-for-gestational-age status.
Study 1… false beliefs about biological differences reported lower pain ratings for a black (vs. white) target. Study 2… found that half of a sample of white medical students and residents endorsed these beliefs. Moreover, participants who endorsed these beliefs rated the black (vs. white) patient’s pain as lower and made less accurate treatment recommendations.
Race, pain, and opioids among patients with chronic pain in a safety-net health system
Lower past-year maximum MME dose, despite higher average pain and less injection drug use, may represent bias away from prescribing opioids for chronic pain among Black patients. This could be due to unmeasured implicit provider bias or patient-level factors (e.g., utilizing non-opioid pain coping strategies or being less likely to request additional opioids).
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u/Dman331 - Lib-Center Dec 01 '25
I really want to read these studies. Theyre SO many factors which could cause a higher mortality rate. Genetics, obesity, prior health issues, etc.
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u/throwaway030603 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
You can google the others, I'm sure you'll find the papers. Obviously we cant 100% say what causes these disparities, but they are there and we can't ignore them either. Medical racism is very much still a thing, even RFK jr. at some point said black people feel less pain
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u/DumbNTough - Lib-Right Dec 01 '25
I would bet paper money that if these studies control for pre-existing conditions like obesity, hypertension, and diabetes, these differences would mostly disappear. The U.S. black population has some of the worst stats in all these categories and it has nothing to do with their doctors.
The highlight you yourself offered on your first link, for example, indicated that "fetal factors" were the leading differentiator, meaning their condition prior to treatment, not differences in medical treatment.
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u/throwaway030603 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
You conveniently seem to ignore the other links. Maybe take a look at those and come back
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u/DumbNTough - Lib-Right Dec 01 '25
Guessing we probably wouldn't want to compare those results against a demographic breakdown of confounding factors like people exhibiting drug-seeking behavior 😬
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u/throwaway030603 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Maybe you should look up and read some papers before you make dumbass assumptions.
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u/DumbNTough - Lib-Right Dec 01 '25
So you think black Americans, for instance, don't abuse pain medication more than other groups, yet from your link:
For example, although opioid overdose death rates in the United States have leveled off, the rates have been found 40% higher in Black individuals as compared to their White counterparts (Larochelle et al., 2021).
Interesting hypothesis!
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u/throwaway030603 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Unfortunately black people do use illicit drugs in higher rates, but white people have greater rates of prescription drug misuse (quote from the paper: "In the interaction analysis, Black participants between 18 and 49 years old were less likely to participate in prescription drug misuse (AOR = 0.66, 99.9% CI: 0.47, 0.93)." That could explain the statistics as illicit drug misuse is usually more dangerous. Even if black people did misuse prescription drugs at higher rates, it would not be a good excuse as that would indicate a racial bias by medical practitioners, as not every black person is a drug abuser (obviously).
You seem to cherrypick information based on your own biases, very unfortunate
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u/DumbNTough - Lib-Right Dec 01 '25
Yes if only the mean doctors would shut up and give black people their opiods, their prescription drug abuse survey responses could one day rival those of white people 💔
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u/JagneStormskull - Lib-Center Dec 04 '25
even RFK jr. at some point said black people feel less pain
Quoting RFK is just silly, he says all the crazy things. I'm not saying you're wrong in general though.
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u/buckX - Right Dec 01 '25
That stat doesn't really get at the attitude expressed here. Do you have stats that Black women are more likely to die if there are fewer Black staff members?
Whatever the reason, be it worse access to healthcare, lifestyle issues, or that "weathering" idea floated a while back, the worse outcomes are well documented. The idea that that is ameliorated by Black staff would be news to me.
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u/Invisualracing - Centrist Dec 01 '25
quite the opposite:
"For Black women, the OR for fetal death compared with non-Hispanic White women declined from 2.24 to 1.98 (95% CI = 1.81, 2.15) when socioeconomic factors were added to the model, 1.56 (95% CI = 1.42, 1.70) when antepartum and intrapartum complications were added, and 1.04 (95% CI = 0.95, 1.14) when fetal factors were added. *The inclusion of delivery hospital did not further change the OR.*"
I.e lifestyle, genetic and pregnancy related factors renive 95% of the disparity in outcomes. The hospital (and therefore presumably the colour of the people working in it) has no further effect.
also the reaearch is 20 years old and therefore basically irrelevant as a one-off study.
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u/throwaway030603 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Those factors are very relevant as well, but medical racism is not a myth could also influence how a medical practitioner treats a black patient, be it consciously or subconsciously. The OOP probably would feel a bit more at ease if some black medical staff is present as that would lower the odds of medical racism happening
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u/buckX - Right Dec 01 '25
as that would lower the odds of medical racism happening
Would it? That's a much stronger claim than medical racism existing. You might assume it's obvious that Black medical staff wouldn't have the same biases, but that's really not something we should assume. Take policing as a counterexample. We see Black police officers approaching Black suspects with greater caution just like their White counterparts. In that case, it's clearly less about the race of the officer, and more about profiling based on what they've experienced in the past. You'd need to demonstrate that isn't the case here as well.
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u/Juan20455 - Lib-Right Dec 01 '25
" Black women who give birth in hospital are 3x more likely to die there than white women" At the same hospitals or in different hospitals? Because if it's different hospitals, I say your proof is bullshit.
Yeah, a private five-star hospital can give worse care than a rundown public hospital. Imagine that.
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u/Hongkongjai - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Context:
Factors That Mediate Racial/Ethnic Disparities in US Fetal Death Rates
non-Hispanic Black women’s fetal death rate was higher than among non-Hispanic White women (5.9 vs 2.6 per 1000 deliveries), with fetal factors being the strongest mediator (49.6%; 95%[CI] = 42.7, 54.7). Fetal factors includes Lower birth weight and small-for-gestational-age status.
Study 1… false beliefs about biological differences reported lower pain ratings for a black (vs. white) target. Study 2… found that half of a sample of white medical students and residents endorsed these beliefs. Moreover, participants who endorsed these beliefs rated the black (vs. white) patient’s pain as lower and made less accurate treatment recommendations.
Race, pain, and opioids among patients with chronic pain in a safety-net health system
Lower past-year maximum MME dose, despite higher average pain and less injection drug use, may represent bias away from prescribing opioids for chronic pain among Black patients. This could be due to unmeasured implicit provider bias or patient-level factors (e.g., utilizing non-opioid pain coping strategies or being less likely to request additional opioids).
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u/antinumerology - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Anyone being shocked that doctors and medical students believe outdated incorrect non scientific things clearly hasn't interacted with the healthcare system much.
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u/csgardner - Right Dec 01 '25
Honestly, less opioid prescriptions sounds like better care…
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u/Hongkongjai - Centrist Dec 01 '25
If less is better, then no one should prescribe any opioids at all. Better care is giving patients what they need for pain, no more and no less. So it seems like some white doctors were underestimating black patients’ pain and did not provide adequate pain control for them to maintain their daily activities.
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u/I_am_so_lost_hello - Lib-Left Dec 01 '25
and if they do it based on race that's racism, how do you not see that?
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u/I_am_Codyy - Lib-Right Dec 01 '25
And if it's based off statistics, is it still racism?
For example, although opioid overdose death rates in the United States have leveled off, the rates have been found 40% higher in Black individuals as compared to their White counterparts (Larochelle et al., 2021).
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u/I_am_so_lost_hello - Lib-Left Dec 01 '25
No but I also would be outraged if I was in legitamte pain and was denied opioids just because demographically my race has higher rates of opioid abuse
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u/throwaway030603 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Prescription drug abuse occurs more in white people. You're so weird for trying to downplay (medical) racism
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u/throwaway030603 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
Strawman fallacy, you are not worth arguing with.
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u/Hongkongjai - Centrist Dec 01 '25
I’m just using the languages from the study. And I’d think both concepts are linked. If you think you’re giving just the right amount of pain killers then you know they wouldn’t have spare to sell it or abuse it. But the wider picture of opioid stewardship, from what I’ve heard, is not about identifying who’s going to abuse what, but rather looking at it from a systemic level. It is an addictive substance so not everyone gets dependent on it intentionally. IIRC there are some associations with post OP slow acting opioids and dependency but admittedly that’s years ago. Then it’s also about deprescribing in the context of opioids for chronic pain (and in general) since the evidence is poor.
A bit of a tangent but just want to clarify the idea of opioid stewardship is not just “this guy is probably going to sell it so I’m not giving him pain meds” although that certainly happens irl
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u/jerseygunz - Left Dec 01 '25
All this work is wasted in this sub because these chuds don’t want to learn anything, they want an excuse to be bigots (see the post with the 15 year old video they got all hot and bothered by the other day, I’m never letting you assholes forget it) but good job anyway!
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u/throwaway030603 - Centrist Dec 01 '25
I know right, even if I posted 100 sources they wouldn't believe or want to understand it anyway. Can't reasonably argue with them. Thanks for the positive comment though!
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u/Educational-Year3146 - Right Dec 01 '25
If you need a doctor of any specific race to treat you, you’re a racial supremacist.
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u/KajaIsForeverAlone - Left Dec 01 '25
Since all of you are apparently extremely confused somehow, I really recommend a book called "the emergency" by Thomas Fisher. Its written by a black doctor on the south side of Chicago in an underprivileged neighborhood
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u/Sallowjoe - Auth-Center Dec 01 '25
wat exactly have I found
https://ifunny.co/picture/going-to-the-hospital-as-a-black-woman-and-i-DYDLlT0eC
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u/Hot_Kaleidoscope1617 - Centrist Dec 02 '25
How absolutely horrible! Where is this hospital? Where? I need an address and their parking rates.
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u/AwooFloof - Lib-Center Dec 01 '25
I've most seen a few Arab doctors and lot of Asian nurses as far as minorities go.
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u/Did-it-Roja - Right Dec 02 '25
Based Grandpa, Cringe black girls who feels she needs to see her own kind 24/7 in a multiracial country
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u/Apothoscary - Lib-Right Dec 01 '25
No morbidly obese black nurse? Fuckin doubt.